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Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:35 pm

Per Bloomberg, Airbus is hiring designers and engineers for new a totally new narrowbody and A350 neo!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... gined-a350

Testing concepts for build rates of 100 narrow-bodies and 20 A350neos a month.
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:39 pm

Narrowbody makes sense, but isn't it a bit too soon to NEO the A350?
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:44 pm

Could this be the reprise of the A350-800?
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:50 pm

Kindanew wrote:
Could this be the reprise of the A350-800?


Maybe a formal replacement to the A330 lineup. Or perhaps a more powerful stretch of the A350-2000/8000 or whatever it was called?
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:08 pm

biggest takeaway from the article is the admission that a stretched and improved A320neo will come. They look serious about matching the capacity of the MAX8 with this. It's stated that project would launch next year. A321LR/XLR and an A320NEO Plus may put a tremendous amount of pressure on MAX8 and MAX10 sales campaigns.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:11 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
biggest takeaway from the article is the admission that a stretched and improved A320neo will come. They look serious about matching the capacity of the MAX8 with this. It's stated that project would launch next year. A321LR/XLR and an A320NEO Plus may put a tremendous amount of pressure on MAX8 and MAX10 sales campaigns.


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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:13 pm

A350 made his first flight in 2013 - already looking for a new engine option?
They have to be really unsatisfied with the current engines!
I don't think we will see a stretched A320 or an A321neoXLLRULR ... but it's time to think about a brand new widebody, thing that is not made in a day...
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:22 pm

Most likely more for the concept team, than for the real development crew.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:23 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
ODwyerPW wrote:
biggest takeaway from the article is the admission that a stretched and improved A320neo will come. They look serious about matching the capacity of the MAX8 with this. It's stated that project would launch next year.


They should’ve done that years ago.


I know a certain Dutch poster with a penchant for house flies will be delighted over this news! :D
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:23 pm

Most likely more for the concept team, than for the real development crew.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:27 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
ODwyerPW wrote:
biggest takeaway from the article is the admission that a stretched and improved A320neo will come. They look serious about matching the capacity of the MAX8 with this. It's stated that project would launch next year.


They should’ve done that years ago.


I know a certain Dutch poster with a penchant for house flies will be delighted over this news! :D


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Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:33 pm

Well, Aircraft design and development takes years even before the first flight. I read somewhere that around 2023-25 is when the next generation big engines are supposed to be coming up for first runs so it makes sense that they want to start the design for more efficiency as well as performance with newer gen engines.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:01 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
biggest takeaway from the article is the admission that a stretched and improved A320neo will come. They look serious about matching the capacity of the MAX8 with this. It's stated that project would launch next year. A321LR/XLR and an A320NEO Plus may put a tremendous amount of pressure on MAX8 and MAX10 sales campaigns.


So we’re looking at an A320/21 sized replacement along with a further stretch with this new narrow body? I assume it’ll sit on taller landing gear to allow this.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:08 pm

It makes sense to start preparing for the A350 neo.
New engines are only 7 years away while it took the A350 9 years from initial launch to first flight.
While a NEO would take significantly less, it makes sense to start brainstorming with the engine manufacturers about ongoing developments so as to start looking at eventual required airframe changes.
Airbus also needs to make a smoother shift from A350/A350neo, as both the A320neo and A330neo projects brought about major issues that not only forced them to reduce production rates significantly, they also had to deal with grounded airframes and delayed deliveries.

For the A321XLR, I hope that they will do more than a 700nm range improvement.
I think that a bigger wing, bigger engines, 110 tons MTOW, 5000nm range and another stretch to 250-260 seats should be considered.
Basically, a B757-300 but with the trip cost of a A321CEO.
It's important though that they maintain maximum commonality with the A320neo family for everything except the wings, the engines and landing gear.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:09 pm

FatCat wrote:
A350 made his first flight in 2013 - already looking for a new engine option?
They have to be really unsatisfied with the current engines!
I don't think we will see a stretched A320 or an A321neoXLLRULR ... but it's time to think about a brand new widebody, thing that is not made in a day...


Or provide an alternative engine manufacturer for the A350... GE? PW? EA?
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:30 pm

So, my questions are, is this a true A320/321 clean sheet replacement? Or, Airbus' response to Boeing's MOM? Or, perhaps both? If they're going to stretch the A320, will this leave the lower capacity end of Airbus' catalog lacking, or are they expecting the C-Series (sorry, I just can't call it the A220) to fill in that gap?

Whatever happens, as an aviation geek this is exciting news. And, it will be even more exciting to see how Boeing will choose to respond.
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:36 pm

So much catching up... :lol: Sometimes one can get the impression on this forum that only is B is developing etc. while hearing the myth that A is waiting for the competition until its reply. This thread proves the opposite...Good.
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:44 pm

IAmGaroott wrote:
ODwyerPW wrote:
biggest takeaway from the article is the admission that a stretched and improved A320neo will come. They look serious about matching the capacity of the MAX8 with this. It's stated that project would launch next year. A321LR/XLR and an A320NEO Plus may put a tremendous amount of pressure on MAX8 and MAX10 sales campaigns.


So we’re looking at an A320/21 sized replacement along with a further stretch with this new narrow body? I assume it’ll sit on taller landing gear to allow this.


The article appears to discuss an all new narrow body program to replace the A32Xseries entirely.

However in the meantime, the article states two small improvements to the existing A32Xseries that will be done first. The A321XLR (really really long range A321NEO, longer than the LR) and the A320Neo Plus (a stretch of the A320 to yield MAX8 capacity).

Otherwise, per the article, we are looking at them defining the next narrow body family beyond A32X.

Perhaps a 150+pax CS500 (A220-500?) to eventually replace A319/A320 as well.... leaving the new Narrow Body Family to climb upwards (beginning at A320NEO Plus capacities)…
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:52 pm

All 3 engine manufacturers are tapped out.

I don't see where these new motors will be coming from.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:04 pm

I could see an A350NEO no so much to take over the current A359/A3510 but to further develop the A350 in order to match the 777-9 capacity and as well prepare for the A380 replacement. The Trent-XWB doesn't have the potential to deliver much more power. So Airbus would rather look for the most advanced engine technology and stick it with the appropriate power under a larger A350.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:46 pm

Excellent news!

Should be the first big decision(s) from the post-Enders/Leahy/et al Airbus management team.

Varsity1 wrote:
All 3 engine manufacturers are tapped out.

I don't see where these new motors will be coming from.

My $0.02: NMA will debut with an engine that is half a generation improved from LEAP, and CFM should be able to negotiate the ability to use it or a derivative on future Airbus products too.

Then, of course, we have RR Advance/UltraFan/...

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Most likely more for the concept team, than for the real development crew.

Not according to the article:

The company is recruiting designers and engineers in Toulouse and Madrid to work on the short-haul model, as well as a “new engine option” or Neo version of the A350, according to job postings seen by Bloomberg.

Hmm, the beginnings of a Brexodus? :stirthepot:

The latest job descriptions outline plans to develop digital replicas of production lines to test-run build rates of 100 narrow-bodies and 20 A350neos a month.

Enforces the "focus on production" narrative...

Before embarking on the new aircraft, Airbus would first introduce two narrow-body upgrades, the job advertisements say.

One would be a version of the long range A321LR able to fly 700 nautical miles further with the aid of a redesigned fuel tank, dubbed the A321XLR. The other would be a stretched and improved version of the A320neo series known as the “plus” and aimed at helping Airbus compete with a planned mid-market plane that Boeing could launch as early as next year.

So we have A321XLR -> A320+ -> "clean sheet".
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:54 pm

Kindanew wrote:
Could this be the reprise of the A350-800?


I've wondered if we could see a new optimized A350-800 and new A350-700 using a common wing and the T7000 at some point to replace the A33N. Especially if sales remain slow.
The Ultrafan is supposed to be a scalable engine, so could replace the XWB and T7000 further down the road.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:04 pm

What would be the timeline for a A330 replacement?
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:13 pm

This could be a smokescreeen behind which hides the obvious: simple-stretched A220-500 (formerly known as CS500) and re-winged and stretched A320 and A321, and quite possibly, A322 as well. I don't expect any "neo" of A350 until post - 2028 at the earliest...
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:25 pm

It's good to have some fresh meat to stir into the pot.

As far as I can tell, there are two bits of real news in the article; the 320neo plus and the announcement of a new narrow body. It seems to me that the 350 has always been the target for the Ultrafan so that doesn't seem like news to me.

The really interesting bit is the 321Plus...which would tie in nicely with the folding wing they recently mentioned. I don't recall Airbus previously saying anything official regarding a 321 stretch, which would be aimed directly at Boeing's 797, (with this announcement being aimed directly at potential 797 customers).

I'm curious about the 'short range' wording. The story seems to assume the new narrow body is 'all new', but it doesn't seem clear. Isn't the 220 their new short range aircraft? Could they be talking about a 220-500?

Confusing...yet interesting.

Edit. It seems a bunch of people have similar speculations.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:48 pm

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seahawk wrote:
Most likely more for the concept team, than for the real development crew.

Not according to the article:



Article says: "When asked about the job notices, Airbus said the projects described aren’t guaranteed to be launched or to enter production." Would be interesting to know if Mardid was Getafe or Illesecas.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:56 pm

The most interesting part of the article is this:

"Before embarking on the new aircraft, Airbus would first introduce two narrow-body upgrades, the job advertisements say.

One would be a version of the long range A321LR able to fly 700 nautical miles further with the aid of a redesigned fuel tank, dubbed the A321XLR. The other would be a stretched and improved version of the A320neo series known as the “plus” and aimed at helping Airbus compete with a planned mid-market plane that Boeing could launch as early as next year".


This pretty much confirms our speculations of the "A320 Plus". I think Keesje will be happy about this.

I'm interested in what the "A320 Plus" means. Will it be an even bigger upgrade than the NEO? Stretch, new wings and aerodynamic improvements? New flight deck? How many variants?
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:11 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
The most interesting part of the article is this:

"Before embarking on the new aircraft, Airbus would first introduce two narrow-body upgrades, the job advertisements say.

One would be a version of the long range A321LR able to fly 700 nautical miles further with the aid of a redesigned fuel tank, dubbed the A321XLR. The other would be a stretched and improved version of the A320neo series known as the “plus” and aimed at helping Airbus compete with a planned mid-market plane that Boeing could launch as early as next year".


This pretty much confirms our speculations of the "A320 Plus". I think Keesje will be happy about this.

I'm interested in what the "A320 Plus" means. Will it be an even bigger upgrade than the NEO? Stretch, new wings and aerodynamic improvements? New flight deck? How many variants?


If the Plus is meant to compete with the MoM, it will be most probably feature a fairly long range. The current max MTOW for the A320NEO is 79t. Making it longer while increasing its range might lead to the use of the A321 wing, which would lift any MTOW restriction for such an aircraft. The A320NEO Plus might in reality be an A321NEO Minus.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:37 pm

An entirely new narrowbody would give Airbus the edge over Boeing if they decide to keep on with the 737. It would be great to see a new product. But, like with the A350, the A320neo family is really young, so it wouldn't make much sense to develop replacements from now. An A220-500 would also not make that much sense since the A320neo perfectly covers that market. Unless they intend to use it to fill the gap between the -300 and the A320neo, which is a niche at best.

The most logical option for them would be a MoM-like aircraft, but I'd say an A320 replacement would make sense too. Personally I can't see Airbus already planning the next gen A350, unless they're referring to a new variant.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:42 pm

tomcat wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
The most interesting part of the article is this:

"Before embarking on the new aircraft, Airbus would first introduce two narrow-body upgrades, the job advertisements say.

One would be a version of the long range A321LR able to fly 700 nautical miles further with the aid of a redesigned fuel tank, dubbed the A321XLR. The other would be a stretched and improved version of the A320neo series known as the “plus” and aimed at helping Airbus compete with a planned mid-market plane that Boeing could launch as early as next year".


This pretty much confirms our speculations of the "A320 Plus". I think Keesje will be happy about this.

I'm interested in what the "A320 Plus" means. Will it be an even bigger upgrade than the NEO? Stretch, new wings and aerodynamic improvements? New flight deck? How many variants?


If the Plus is meant to compete with the MoM, it will be most probably feature a fairly long range. The current max MTOW for the A320NEO is 79t. Making it longer while increasing its range might lead to the use of the A321 wing, which would lift any MTOW restriction for such an aircraft. The A320NEO Plus might in reality be an A321NEO Minus.


They're mentioning a stretch of the frame and "improvements". In my opinion I think the A320-Series Plus means this:

- Small stretch on A320neo which replaces current A320neo. Like Boeing did with 737-700 -> 737-7 MAX
- Small stretch on A321neo to A322, keeping both models on offer
- New or modified / improved wings (maybe)
- Aerodynamic improvements
- Updated flight deck to near A350 standard while retaining commonality (As Boeing has done many times on the 737)

But that's just my interpretation.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:10 pm

The article seems a bit vague, particularly when it says stretched A320 series. That could mean an addition model (322?), but I tend to think the following:

-A320 stretched a few rows with a modified or new wing.
-A321 stretched a few rows with a modified or new wing.

The all new narrowbody could be an A220-500.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:13 pm

This article is a complete load of tosh based on absolutly nothing at all.Honestly guys take a step back.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:14 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
tomcat wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
The most interesting part of the article is this:

"Before embarking on the new aircraft, Airbus would first introduce two narrow-body upgrades, the job advertisements say.

One would be a version of the long range A321LR able to fly 700 nautical miles further with the aid of a redesigned fuel tank, dubbed the A321XLR. The other would be a stretched and improved version of the A320neo series known as the “plus” and aimed at helping Airbus compete with a planned mid-market plane that Boeing could launch as early as next year".


This pretty much confirms our speculations of the "A320 Plus". I think Keesje will be happy about this.

I'm interested in what the "A320 Plus" means. Will it be an even bigger upgrade than the NEO? Stretch, new wings and aerodynamic improvements? New flight deck? How many variants?


If the Plus is meant to compete with the MoM, it will be most probably feature a fairly long range. The current max MTOW for the A320NEO is 79t. Making it longer while increasing its range might lead to the use of the A321 wing, which would lift any MTOW restriction for such an aircraft. The A320NEO Plus might in reality be an A321NEO Minus.


They're mentioning a stretch of the frame and "improvements". In my opinion I think the A320-Series Plus means this:

- Small stretch on A320neo which replaces current A320neo. Like Boeing did with 737-700 -> 737-7 MAX
- Small stretch on A321neo to A322, keeping both models on offer
- New or modified / improved wings (maybe)
- Aerodynamic improvements
- Updated flight deck to near A350 standard while retaining commonality (As Boeing has done many times on the 737)

But that's just my interpretation.


I was simply focusing on the quote stating that the 320-Plus would aim at the MoM (which really sounds strange to me, but that's what we've get to read). I just don't see how a stretched A320, hence heavier than the A320, might take on the (lower end) of the MoM without increasing its MTOW. This would nearly automatically require a reinforced wing. At this point, the best candidate would be to use the A321 wing as a starting point, rather than re-designing the A320 wing. I understand that we are not talking about a brand new aircraft here, it's just Airbus trying to stretch the use of its current A320 family. If you would want to carry 200 pax in a high density over 4500nm or 5000nm, this would require to give a MTOW of (I guesstimate) 90 to 95t to this A320-Plus. This is a job for the A321 wing.

edit: I just realized that they talk about the "A320neo series" which might actually cover the A321 as well and not just strictly the A320 as I was assuming until now. This makes more sense in the context of competing with the MoM.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:23 pm

Regarding the narrow body airplane, Airbus calls it an entirely new design. That, to me, puts to rest the notion that it might be the A220-500, as the A220 series isn't entirely new. Interesting too that a search of the internet doesn't reveil any plans on the part of Airbus to produce an A220-500, unless I'm not using the proper search term(s).
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:35 pm

Airbus is right to hire project engineers well in advance of an actual launch. The A350NEO is the most interesting possibility. As RR have the prime position on the aircraft, Ultrafan could be a strong possibility. The NEO would need some structural changes depending on the fan size, and Airbus could even offer the existing motors if Ultrafan comes in as a heavy longhauler.

Realistically Ultrafan would not be available until the mid to late 2020s with a suitable thrust rating for A350. Advance might not be worth the effort but the Next Generation engine would be and that means years of work with RR.

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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:39 pm

I find it "interesting" that future programs are announced through job notices . . . . It seems some may be reading too much in this.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:41 pm

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Narrowbody makes sense, but isn't it a bit too soon to NEO the A350?


Yes, but in another 5-10 years, which is how long it might take, it won't be.

Maybe PW will bid with an enlarged GTF. :stirthepot: :duck:
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:57 pm

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Narrowbody makes sense, but isn't it a bit too soon to NEO the A350?


Yes, but in another 5-10 years, which is how long it might take, it won't be.

Maybe PW will bid with an enlarged GTF. :stirthepot: :duck:


Maybe Pratt will finally have the current GTF fixed. :lol:
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I find it "interesting" that future programs are announced through job notices . . .

True, would be very stupid, in this multi-billion dollar chess game... :scratchchin:
 
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The most logical option for them would be a MoM-like aircraft, but I'd say an A320 replacement would make sense too. Personally I can't see Airbus already planning the next gen A350, unless they're referring to a new variant.


cat among the pigeons if Airbus, after making strong moves towards a MoMish upgrade of the A321 and maybe following through,
announces a new NB craft with laminar wing on the brink or just beyond Boeing kicking off their MoM product.
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OA940 wrote:
An entirely new narrowbody would give Airbus the edge over Boeing if they decide to keep on with the 737. It would be great to see a new product. But, like with the A350, the A320neo family is really young, so it wouldn't make much sense to develop replacements from now. An A220-500 would also not make that much sense since the A320neo perfectly covers that market. Unless they intend to use it to fill the gap between the -300 and the A320neo, which is a niche at best.

The most logical option for them would be a MoM-like aircraft, but I'd say an A320 replacement would make sense too. Personally I can't see Airbus already planning the next gen A350, unless they're referring to a new variant.



The a320 was a generational leap over the 737s of it's day, yet the 737 still is a solid contender today. Most fuel burn efficiency is done by new engines anyway. You could theoretically reengine the max and be decently competitive with a cleansheet nb
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Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:46 am

I call BS on this article.

Job advisements gave away all this information? Yeah, right.

Also, testing narrowbody production rates of 100 per month? Complete BS. Definitely not going to happen over the next 10-15 years.
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:18 am

Erebus wrote:
Narrowbody makes sense, but isn't it a bit too soon to NEO the A350?

The 772 entered service in '95. The 77W (to all intents a NEO) in 2004. The A359 entered service in 2015 ....
Down with that sort of thing!
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:05 am

OA940 wrote:
An entirely new narrowbody would give Airbus the edge over Boeing if they decide to keep on with the 737. It would be great to see a new product. But, like with the A350, the A320neo family is really young, so it wouldn't make much sense to develop replacements from now. An A220-500 would also not make that much sense since the A320neo perfectly covers that market. Unless they intend to use it to fill the gap between the -300 and the A320neo, which is a niche at best.

The most logical option for them would be a MoM-like aircraft, but I'd say an A320 replacement would make sense too. Personally I can't see Airbus already planning the next gen A350, unless they're referring to a new variant.


I can almost guarantee that Boeing (likely in the JV with Embraer, assuming it is finalized) will develop an all-new narrowbody family in the same time frame. There is no way they will keep trying to update the 737 post MAX.

Since the suggestion is that there will be some kind of A320 series improvements before any new narrowbody from Airbus, EIS would logically be in the 2nd half of the next decade. If it were sooner, why spend the money on the A320 updates. Who would buy it if the A360 (or whatever it ends up named) is only a couple of years further out and is an optimized clean sheet with the most modern engines? The general consensus is that the Boeing MOM will EIS in 2025 or 2026. if the A320 series is modified to better compete with it that would indicate that the new narrowbody from Airbus is at least a few years out from that date, otherwise they could just offer it to compete with MOM and skip the A320 improvements.
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Thu Nov 22, 2018 3:32 am

BlueSky1976 wrote:
This could be a smokescreeen behind which hides the obvious: simple-stretched A220-500 (formerly known as CS500) and re-winged and stretched A320 and A321, and quite possibly, A322 as well. I don't expect any "neo" of A350 until post - 2028 at the earliest...

I don't see why the stretched A220 has captured so much imagination on this site. It's the wrong cross section (dc9, anybody?), and it breaks the family concept that has done Airbus so much good for so long.

JetBuddy wrote:
This pretty much confirms our speculations of the "A320 Plus". I think Keesje will be happy about this.

I'm interested in what the "A320 Plus" means. Will it be an even bigger upgrade than the NEO? Stretch, new wings and aerodynamic improvements? New flight deck? How many variants?

I hope it does make Keesje happy, it's pretty exciting news.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKBN1JE0ZE gave us a good summary of the A321+ and A321++:

In a surprise move, Airbus previously halted work on a study dubbed A320neo-plus, Reuters reported in April.

The advanced blueprint would have featured increased fuel capacity, a longer fuselage and improvements to the A321’s wing.

A longer-term project, code-named A320neo-plus-plus,” with an all-new carbon-fibre wing, has also been put to one side.

I think a stretch and aero improvements are a good next step. I presume the "increased fuel capacity" is being addressed via A321XLR.

PW100 wrote:
I find it "interesting" that future programs are announced through job notices . . . . It seems some may be reading too much in this.

It's not an announcement, but yes, you can learn a lot about what companies are doing by reading job notices.

Boeing has telegraphed a lot of the current NMA activity via job notices and things various Boeing employees have posted to Linkedin. That doesn't mean NMA is announced, but it means they are spending money on something that might become NMA.

The vendors do need to get the right candidates, and a lot of the aerospace talent pool is greying out and deciding to retire, and youngsters prefer to try their luck at the Silicon Valley roulette table, so you have to offer interesting stuff.

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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:06 am

0newair0 wrote:
I call BS on this article.

Job advisements gave away all this information? Yeah, right.

Also, testing narrowbody production rates of 100 per month? Complete BS. Definitely not going to happen over the next 10-15 years.


I concur. Everyone's going bananas on a single article with rather little substance. Keesje can't find the job postings and if he can't, something's off. While it makes sense to begin planning for a new narrowbody family, the A320NEO and its siblings are selling so well, there's no way Airbus will replace them for at least 10 years and likely a lot longer. And to keep things in perspective, don't forget this passage: "When asked about the job notices, Airbus said the projects described aren’t guaranteed to be launched or to enter production.

“As a leading aircraft manufacturer we are looking at many ways to advance our product line,” it said. “There are many studies, but not all see the light of day.” Airbus has in the past advertised jobs on a Neo version of the A380 superjumbo -- an upgrade that in 2016 was taken off the drawing board."
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:09 am

New narrow-body concepts always makes sense but as Leahy said new design would only be 5% more efficient (a220-300 vs a319neo efficiency is prove or a318 vs e195).
A350neo is more than needed. You would probably ask why?
G9X thrust on 777x, pressure Brexit with Rolls Royce and not to make same mistake as they did it with a340-500,600. This time Airbus is probably going to play safe and try to match Boeing in every step they make.
NEO is new engine option not new generation engine option.
Lehy once said in interview a321plus and a321lr so a321LR with more fuel makes sense and stretched version of a321xlr is probably going to be a321neoplus with 160kN of thrust.
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:53 am

0newair0 wrote:
I call BS on this article.

Job advisements gave away all this information? Yeah, right.

Also, testing narrowbody production rates of 100 per month? Complete BS. Definitely not going to happen over the next 10-15 years.


The thing about the production line simulation is the most believable piece of information, as it is only about the digital simulation of production lines. Something that was done for the new line in Hamburg already and while 100 seems unrealistic in reality, it is something that does make sense in a simulation and be it just for the theoretical idea of moving all production into one huge production line and calculating benefits and drawbacks of this solution.
 
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Re: Airbus - hiring for new narrowbody and A350 neo

Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:57 am

But this will not happen in the very next future.
They spent a lot of money on Neos... A320 family is selling very good, A350 also, A330 both Ceo and Neo have a nice backlog and more will come.
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