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Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:15 pm

So Delta has started receiving A220s with the first flights scheduled to start in January. We know we will see LGA-BOS, LGA-DFW, LGA-IAH, DTW-IAH (this one might not be, but I recall it), DTW-DFW, JFK-DFW, and SLC-DFW as the first routes. However, I've also seen talks of the A220s being used to upgauge other flights to the Midwest from both coasts. What is the possibility that we will see LGA-STL and LGA-MCI be upgauged? If so, anyone have an idea of the timeline? Asking for a friend :lol:
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:37 pm

I could see DL putting the A220 on either route in the next few years, though I see LGA-MCI as more likely than LGA-STL. Overall DL is pretty strong at MCI, and MCI could easily serve as another bridge to rotate aircraft between LGA and SEA/LAX/SLC.
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:40 pm

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I could see DL putting the A220 on either route in the next few years, though I see LGA-MCI as more likely than LGA-STL. Overall DL is pretty strong at MCI, and MCI could easily serve as another bridge to rotate aircraft between LGA and SEA/LAX/SLC.


I kept hearing that route tossed around as an A220 candidate. I'll agree though, DL is pretty strong at MCI. They're the number 2 carrier there. They're even bigger than AA which surprises me.
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:44 pm

Recall that Delta has admitted that the only way they avoid paying tariffs on the A220 is by keeping average route length under 1000 nm. Wouldn't you know it, LGA-MCI is 962 nm...
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:50 pm

Rios221 wrote:
Recall that Delta has admitted that the only way they avoid paying tariffs on the A220 is by keeping average route length under 1000 nm. Wouldn't you know it, LGA-MCI is 962 nm...


Could you please share a link about this? Curious to see details about that comment.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:58 pm

luv2cattlecall wrote:
Rios221 wrote:
Recall that Delta has admitted that the only way they avoid paying tariffs on the A220 is by keeping average route length under 1000 nm...


Could you please share a link about this? Curious to see details about that comment.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 2741/feed/, quoting this US ITC decision: https://uschinatradewar.com/files/2018/ ... rcraft.pdf
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:59 pm

evank516 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
I could see DL putting the A220 on either route in the next few years, though I see LGA-MCI as more likely than LGA-STL. Overall DL is pretty strong at MCI, and MCI could easily serve as another bridge to rotate aircraft between LGA and SEA/LAX/SLC.


I kept hearing that route tossed around as an A220 candidate. I'll agree though, DL is pretty strong at MCI. They're the number 2 carrier there. They're even bigger than AA which surprises me.


AA cut LAX/LGA last year to MCI so AA has been backing out of there lately. With no flights to New York or LA it is going to hurt their status there. DL has been adding.
Becuase of this is surprises me DL still has more seats on STL-LGA than MCI-LGA. (AA and WN do also to LGA/NYC)
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:59 pm

luv2cattlecall wrote:
Rios221 wrote:
Recall that Delta has admitted that the only way they avoid paying tariffs on the A220 is by keeping average route length under 1000 nm. Wouldn't you know it, LGA-MCI is 962 nm...


Could you please share a link about this? Curious to see details about that comment.


Average route length means you can have one route be 700 nm and another be 1,100 nm but the AVERAGE distance is still under 1,000 at 900 nm.

Anyway, yes AA cut LAX-MCI and LGA-MCI earlier this year I believe. DL seems to hold their own for now. They're all E170/175/CR9 flights today, but they have 5 flights between LGA and MCI today. I don't see why this route wouldn't be a viable candidate.
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:06 pm

evank516 wrote:
luv2cattlecall wrote:
Rios221 wrote:
Recall that Delta has admitted that the only way they avoid paying tariffs on the A220 is by keeping average route length under 1000 nm. Wouldn't you know it, LGA-MCI is 962 nm...


Could you please share a link about this? Curious to see details about that comment.


Average route length means you can have one route be 700 nm and another be 1,100 nm but the AVERAGE distance is still under 1,000 at 900 nm.



Or you can use LGA-BOS frequencies to allow you to do basically any domestic flying you'd like :). Since that's what DAL's strategy seems to be, this math probably won't tell you much besides LAX-ANC won't happen soon.
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:07 pm

Rios221 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
luv2cattlecall wrote:

Could you please share a link about this? Curious to see details about that comment.


Average route length means you can have one route be 700 nm and another be 1,100 nm but the AVERAGE distance is still under 1,000 at 900 nm.



Or you can use LGA-BOS frequencies to allow you to do basically any domestic flying you'd like :). Since that's what DAL's strategy seems to be, this math probably won't tell you much besides LAX-ANC won't happen soon.


Yeah you could. As I just mentioned though, I don't see how DL would overlook LGA-MCI with these planes.
 
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:09 pm

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Quote from your article: “Delta is not facing any obligation for payment of any kind to the manufacturer for routes flown beyond any mileage threshold on the A220," the airline says when asked today if it faces a penalty for flying the aircraft further than 1,852km.
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:13 pm

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So Delta has started receiving A220s with the first flights scheduled to start in January. We know we will see LGA-BOS, LGA-DFW, LGA-IAH, DTW-IAH (this one might not be, but I recall it), DTW-DFW, JFK-DFW, and SLC-DFW as the first routes. However, I've also seen talks of the A220s being used to upgauge other flights to the Midwest from both coasts. What is the possibility that we will see LGA-STL and LGA-MCI be upgauged? If so, anyone have an idea of the timeline? Asking for a friend :lol:


This is possible. After all, they were designed to take over from existing CR9s. But you've got to take into account the routes these birds are being deployed on initially. BOS, IAH, and DFW are all pretty strong hubs for other carriers, and DL thinks it can woo more DFW and IAH travelers with a better product (as well as bringing pax to Texas from their respective hubs, of course). That said, STL and MCI to LaGuardia definitely do not lack competition. American, Delta, and Southwest are on the route at STL, and Delta and Southwest at MCI. They could compete well.

This is anecdotal, but I live in St. Louis, and I've taken DL's CRJ-900s to LaGuardia very frequently. The hard product in Y on that plane is pretty much akin to a Southwest 737 (talking about the seat, not the fact that it's an RJ). If DL were to upgrade to an A220 out of St. Louis, I know some WN loyalists who would eagerly switch their NY flying to DL.

Oh, and UAX with five daily E145s going to Newark? Don't even think about it.
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:14 pm

evank516 wrote:
So Delta has started receiving A220s with the first flights scheduled to start in January. We know we will see LGA-BOS, LGA-DFW, LGA-IAH, DTW-IAH (this one might not be, but I recall it), DTW-DFW, JFK-DFW, and SLC-DFW as the first routes. However, I've also seen talks of the A220s being used to upgauge other flights to the Midwest from both coasts. What is the possibility that we will see LGA-STL and LGA-MCI be upgauged? If so, anyone have an idea of the timeline? Asking for a friend :lol:


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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:36 pm

Rios221 wrote:
luv2cattlecall wrote:
Rios221 wrote:
Recall that Delta has admitted that the only way they avoid paying tariffs on the A220 is by keeping average route length under 1000 nm...


Could you please share a link about this? Curious to see details about that comment.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 2741/feed/, quoting this US ITC decision: https://uschinatradewar.com/files/2018/ ... rcraft.pdf



I'm not finding anything in those links to back up your claim that they would have to pay fees or tariffs if average flight length was over 1,000 miles.
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:42 pm

No, perhaps not. One does find that the morons at Flight Global don't understand the concept of an average. A writer and editor need to be fired.
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:03 am

I agree that DL could upgauge LGA-MCI, LGA-STL, and LGA-IND to A220's since MCI, STL, and IND are some of the top destinations traveled to out of LGA that don't currently have nonstop mainline service out of LGA on DL.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:34 am

I thought the goal of the A220 was to offer a competitive product in markets with competition? If they aren't flying against another airline, they can keep the regional jets on a route.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:40 am

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I agree that DL could upgauge LGA-MCI, LGA-STL, and LGA-IND to A220's since MCI, STL, and IND are some of the top destinations traveled to out of LGA that don't currently have nonstop mainline service out of LGA on DL.


MCI/STL, perhaps, as they see RJ service both directions to hubs (LGA/SLC) at times. On the other hand, IND-LGA is unlikely, as it's both a crew base for YX and MX base for 9E, meaning it's likely to remain on RJ's for the time being.
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:10 pm

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I thought the goal of the A220 was to offer a competitive product in markets with competition? If they aren't flying against another airline, they can keep the regional jets on a route.


WN actually flies LGA-MCI 2x daily except Saturdays where I believe it's either once or none, but it'll be at least once on Saturdays based on the schedules I've seen. So their regional jets are going up against 737s. UA flies a mix of RJs and 737s/A320s/A319s on EWR-MCI too depending on the time of year. More competition. DL is the only one without any mainline on NYC-MCI.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:04 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
jplatts wrote:
I agree that DL could upgauge LGA-MCI, LGA-STL, and LGA-IND to A220's since MCI, STL, and IND are some of the top destinations traveled to out of LGA that don't currently have nonstop mainline service out of LGA on DL.


MCI/STL, perhaps, as they see RJ service both directions to hubs (LGA/SLC) at times. On the other hand, IND-LGA is unlikely, as it's both a crew base for YX and MX base for 9E, meaning it's likely to remain on RJ's for the time being.


MCI also is a base for YX

I've been told IND will see the A220 it is just a matter of time
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:22 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
jplatts wrote:
I agree that DL could upgauge LGA-MCI, LGA-STL, and LGA-IND to A220's since MCI, STL, and IND are some of the top destinations traveled to out of LGA that don't currently have nonstop mainline service out of LGA on DL.


MCI/STL, perhaps, as they see RJ service both directions to hubs (LGA/SLC) at times. On the other hand, IND-LGA is unlikely, as it's both a crew base for YX and MX base for 9E, meaning it's likely to remain on RJ's for the time being.


MCI also is a base for YX

I've been told IND will see the A220 it is just a matter of time


I don't think that will preclude them from seeing the A220 though. There are tons of other ways to funnel in E-Jets. Heck, MSP-MCI isn't fully mainline, though it is for the majority of their schedule. If they have 5 RJ flights a day on LGA-MCI, I can see at least 3 or 4 going to the A220 and an E170/E175 operating the remaining 1 or 2 rotations. The route fits the bill as a long RJ route from the east coast to the middle of the country that can be used to rotate the aircraft to the west coast.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:46 pm

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UA flies a mix of RJs and 737s/A320s/A319s on EWR-MCI too depending on the time of year. More competition. DL is the only one without any mainline on NYC-MCI.


I'm pretty sure UA very rarely sends mainline on EWR-MCI (maybe equipment subs, but I don't know if I've ever seen mainline in the schedules...). It's usually something like 3x daily E70/E75 these days. Still an improvement from what this route was a few years ago - mostly ER4s!
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:49 pm

It is mainline once a day.

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Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:50 pm

FSDan wrote:
evank516 wrote:
UA flies a mix of RJs and 737s/A320s/A319s on EWR-MCI too depending on the time of year. More competition. DL is the only one without any mainline on NYC-MCI.


I'm pretty sure UA very rarely sends mainline on EWR-MCI (maybe equipment subs, but I don't know if I've ever seen mainline in the schedules...). It's usually something like 3x daily E70/E75 these days. Still an improvement from what this route was a few years ago - mostly ER4s!


No they're not equipment subs, I've seen them regularly scheduled on EWR-MCI. It's definitely seasonal, but even today we have 1x E175, 1x 73G, and 1x A319. I was actually desperate enough to investigate EWR-MCI over Halloween for a last minute wedding and they had the 73G and A319 on there. It was 50/50 between mainline and RJs. FYI, tomorrow has a 739 with a 4th flight on an A320. So it's regularly scheduled. Maybe not year round, but definitely seasonal to say the least.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:00 pm

Why do most cities only get RJ's to the NYC airports? You would think that since it's the busiest air market in the US it would mostly be mainline.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:04 pm

evank516 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
evank516 wrote:
UA flies a mix of RJs and 737s/A320s/A319s on EWR-MCI too depending on the time of year. More competition. DL is the only one without any mainline on NYC-MCI.


I'm pretty sure UA very rarely sends mainline on EWR-MCI (maybe equipment subs, but I don't know if I've ever seen mainline in the schedules...). It's usually something like 3x daily E70/E75 these days. Still an improvement from what this route was a few years ago - mostly ER4s!


No they're not equipment subs, I've seen them regularly scheduled on EWR-MCI. It's definitely seasonal, but even today we have 1x E175, 1x 73G, and 1x A319. I was actually desperate enough to investigate EWR-MCI over Halloween for a last minute wedding and they had the 73G and A319 on there. It was 50/50 between mainline and RJs. FYI, tomorrow has a 739 with a 4th flight on an A320. So it's regularly scheduled. Maybe not year round, but definitely seasonal to say the least.


Interesting - I guess I've just always checked the wrong days and/or times of year. Even in the busy summer schedules, whenever I've checked I've never seen mainline on this route. Good to see UA upgauging routes out of EWR!
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:06 pm

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FSDan wrote:

I'm pretty sure UA very rarely sends mainline on EWR-MCI (maybe equipment subs, but I don't know if I've ever seen mainline in the schedules...). It's usually something like 3x daily E70/E75 these days. Still an improvement from what this route was a few years ago - mostly ER4s!


No they're not equipment subs, I've seen them regularly scheduled on EWR-MCI. It's definitely seasonal, but even today we have 1x E175, 1x 73G, and 1x A319. I was actually desperate enough to investigate EWR-MCI over Halloween for a last minute wedding and they had the 73G and A319 on there. It was 50/50 between mainline and RJs. FYI, tomorrow has a 739 with a 4th flight on an A320. So it's regularly scheduled. Maybe not year round, but definitely seasonal to say the least.


Interesting - I guess I've just always checked the wrong days and/or times of year. Even in the busy summer schedules, whenever I've checked I've never seen mainline on this route. Good to see UA upgauging routes out of EWR!


Oh yeah, it's a regular thing. Like I said, not year round, but just have to check the right times of year. Either way, the capacity of the A220 is lower than the 73G and A319 so it's not like the plane wouldn't fill up. WN's 737 flights are regularly packed to the gills as well. I flew it quite a bit and it was constantly full, and they just added a second flight.
 
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Why do most cities only get RJ's to the NYC airports? You would think that since it's the busiest air market in the US it would mostly be mainline.

Because airlines are all about frequency > capacity in regards to NYC.

Plus, airlines can charge higher fares due to the RJs having less seats than mainline aircraft.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:09 pm

Runway28L wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Why do most cities only get RJ's to the NYC airports? You would think that since it's the busiest air market in the US it would mostly be mainline.

Because airlines are all about frequency > capacity in regards to NYC.

Plus, airlines can charge higher fares due to the RJs having less seats than mainline aircraft.


Yet the fares are actually cheaper from a customer stand point. It's cheaper for the customer to fly LGA-MCI on an RJ than it is to fly LGA-DTW-MCI or LGA-MSP-MCI. LGA-MCI is 1,107 miles. Not a whole lot shorter than LGA-DFW at 1,389 miles. Both routes are pretty long for an RJ, but as we already know LGA-DFW will be upgauged very soon.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:22 pm

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Why do most cities only get RJ's to the NYC airports? You would think that since it's the busiest air market in the US it would mostly be mainline.


For starters, I don't think it's accurate to say "most cities" only get RJ's to NYC... West Coast, Florida, major cities like Dallas and Chicago, and the majority of the international cities connected to NYC airports see mainline service. Better wording would be "why do most midsize cities within the LGA perimeter mostly get RJ's to the NYC airports?" A few thoughts:

1) From these cities, most traffic prefers to go to LGA due to its proximity to Midtown Manhattan - this leaves less demand from these cities to EWR and JFK, which as a result tend to see RJ service with a higher percentage of onward connecting traffic.
2) At LGA, close to 600 daily departure slots are spread over far fewer destinations than are served from most airports of comparable size (due to the perimeter restriction), meaning that many of these destinations see very high frequency. Higher frequency unfortunately means smaller average aircraft size so that supply doesn't outgrow demand.

However, all this said, NYC airports now see far more mainline and 2-class RJ service than at any point in the last decade. At LGA, the plethora of US Airways CR2s and DH8s has been largely replaced by Delta CR7/9s, E70/75s, and mainline aircraft. This trend is set to continue as DL will base the first A220s at LGA. Also, as a result of the slot swap, WN and B6 got more LGA slots and brought in additional mainline flying.

At EWR, UA has eliminated the DH8s and is also finally decreasing the number of ER4 departures in favor of E70/75s and mainline. NK, WN, and other all-mainline airlines have been growing there as well.

At JFK, DL has been upgauging RJ routes, and more and more international airlines have been arriving.

Overall, the trend in NYC over the last decade has been to move away from smaller aircraft and towards more large RJs and mainline.
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:28 pm

FSDan wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
Why do most cities only get RJ's to the NYC airports? You would think that since it's the busiest air market in the US it would mostly be mainline.


For starters, I don't think it's accurate to say "most cities" only get RJ's to NYC... West Coast, Florida, major cities like Dallas and Chicago, and the majority of the international cities connected to NYC airports see mainline service. Better wording would be "why do most midsize cities within the LGA perimeter mostly get RJ's to the NYC airports?" A few thoughts:

1) From these cities, most traffic prefers to go to LGA due to its proximity to Midtown Manhattan - this leaves less demand from these cities to EWR and JFK, which as a result tend to see RJ service with a higher percentage of onward connecting traffic.
2) At LGA, close to 600 daily departure slots are spread over far fewer destinations than are served from most airports of comparable size (due to the perimeter restriction), meaning that many of these destinations see very high frequency. Higher frequency unfortunately means smaller average aircraft size so that supply doesn't outgrow demand.

However, all this said, NYC airports now see far more mainline and 2-class RJ service than at any point in the last decade. At LGA, the plethora of US Airways CR2s and DH8s has been largely replaced by Delta CR7/9s, E70/75s, and mainline aircraft. This trend is set to continue as DL will base the first A220s at LGA. Also, as a result of the slot swap, WN and B6 got more LGA slots and brought in additional mainline flying.

At EWR, UA has eliminated the DH8s and is also finally decreasing the number of ER4 departures in favor of E70/75s and mainline. NK, WN, and other all-mainline airlines have been growing there as well.

At JFK, DL has upgauging RJ routes and more and more international airlines have been arriving.

Overall, the trend in NYC over the last decade has been to move away from smaller aircraft and towards more large RJs and mainline.


Few notes though since the thread is about DL: NYC-DFW will only be seeing more mainline starting next year. Right now DL has 1x A319 on LGA-DFW, but the route will be come all A220s in January. The end of August will see JFK-DFW become mainline.

JFK-ORD on DL is all RJs. Either CR9s or E Jets. LGA-ORD is a small mix of 717s and E175s with the majority being E175s. JFK-ORD is 1x 738 on AA and hourly 738s from LGA. Keep in mind B6 operates a mix of A320s and E190s on JFK-ORD as well. The A220 should be a game changer though. We're already seeing upgauged routes out of NYC. I suspect there will be more to come as well hence the reason for this thread. The two routes I mentioned in the thread title were repeatedly mentioned as candidates for an upgauge to mainline once enough A220s are online. I guess I'm trying to figure out if it's a matter of if or when.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:35 pm

I'm hoping for LGA-STL, I fly 4-5x a year to STL for family, I would book the inaugural the minute its in the system lol.
 
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I'm hoping for LGA-STL, I fly 4-5x a year to STL for family, I would book the inaugural the minute its in the system lol.


I'm the same with MCI. I go to MCI 2-4 times per year and I'm perfectly content with connecting in DTW or MSP, but if LGA-MCI goes mainline I'll be hooked immediately.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:52 pm

I look forward to someday (hopefully soon) seeing DL A220s overflying the house on approach to 27 or departing from 9 at MCI.
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:54 pm

If the A220 goes LGA-MCI, then MCI-SLC will probably follow...that'd be awesome
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:39 pm

MCIRNO wrote:
If the A220 goes LGA-MCI, then MCI-SLC will probably follow...that'd be awesome


I bet you that's very likely. MCI is nearly smack dab in the middle of the continent. Easy way to flow the planes from east to west.
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:17 pm

evank516 wrote:
MCIRNO wrote:
If the A220 goes LGA-MCI, then MCI-SLC will probably follow...that'd be awesome


I bet you that's very likely. MCI is nearly smack dab in the middle of the continent. Easy way to flow the planes from east to west.


Is it me or do the 717s kind of already do that too?
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:35 pm

MCIRNO wrote:
evank516 wrote:
MCIRNO wrote:
If the A220 goes LGA-MCI, then MCI-SLC will probably follow...that'd be awesome


I bet you that's very likely. MCI is nearly smack dab in the middle of the continent. Easy way to flow the planes from east to west.


Is it me or do the 717s kind of already do that too?


Somewhat but I think it's all east coast-DTW/MSP.
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:06 pm

“The end of August will see JFK-DFW become mainline.”

They are putting the 72S back on that route? Great news!

What’s old is new again
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:09 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
“The end of August will see JFK-DFW become mainline.”

They are putting the 72S back on that route? Great news!

What’s old is new again


??? What?
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:33 pm

Delta flew JFK DFW on a mainline 72S for years.
 
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Re: Will DL Upgauge LGA-STL/MCI to the A220?

Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:10 pm

Why would DL blow a new, capex intensive aircraft on such marginal markets? The only meaningful competition in those markets is WN (plus a few Eagle ERJs LGA-STL). DL is sending these to growing, large, strategic markets with high yielding business travelers DL is actively courting

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