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airberlin2017 wrote:Yes, and MCO will only operate from 18Dec-08JAN (Christmas, very good prebookings) and 01April-30April (Easter, actual good prebookings)
DEL is canx from 01Feb and PIT from 11Jan.
LAX will paused in Feb und March, in Januar reduce to 1x weekly.
+ some reductions to Europe (SXF & DUB from daily to 6x weekly, BRU from 22Feb to 04Mar with no flights, later with reductions)
thegreatRDU wrote:January 11 2019 will be the last day for PIT it seems, anyone have insight on how the flight performed?
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:Do I dare mention the name "Braniff" at this point? Or would that jinx it? If I still knew how to do the ducking-from-a-flying-book emoji, I would. I'm kidding here, of course.
WW is in much better shape than Caulder's Flying Colors were, but too much expansion too quickly has proven lethal to more than one airline. I give the airline credit for being brave enough to try something unique and smart enough to know if it doesn't work. Good for them.
Rule #1 in business: if you don't turn a profit, you won't get another chance to try something else. WW is moving quickly from routes that aren't working so that they can find something that does. Maybe they will find their niche and become the next Virgin Atlantic or JetBlue.
FSDan wrote:Is WW still making these decisions on their own, or is FI in any way involved now?
stl07 wrote:PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:Do I dare mention the name "Braniff" at this point? Or would that jinx it? If I still knew how to do the ducking-from-a-flying-book emoji, I would. I'm kidding here, of course.
WW is in much better shape than Caulder's Flying Colors were, but too much expansion too quickly has proven lethal to more than one airline. I give the airline credit for being brave enough to try something unique and smart enough to know if it doesn't work. Good for them.
Rule #1 in business: if you don't turn a profit, you won't get another chance to try something else. WW is moving quickly from routes that aren't working so that they can find something that does. Maybe they will find their niche and become the next Virgin Atlantic or JetBlue.
WW is almost the same thing as Braniff with the $99 fares
EDIT: or shall I say "was"
thegreatRDU wrote:January 11 2019 will be the last day for PIT it seems, anyone have insight on how the flight performed?
jimbo737 wrote:thegreatRDU wrote:January 11 2019 will be the last day for PIT it seems, anyone have insight on how the flight performed?
Well, given that airlines don't make a habit of cancelling profitable routes, I'd venture to guess not so good.
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EBJ68 wrote:Someone will surely ask: WW stands for WOW Air
aemoreira1981 wrote:As for the future, I have to wonder if FI has any lessor or airline from which it could source passenger B763s with time left on them. The only major airline retiring them right now is El Al (American will soon, but not for another 3-4 years). They could also be taking a look at
Right now, WW's major assets are its landing slots, particularly at JFK, European airports, and TLV. I could see Icelandair seeking to monetize those slots by leasing them out, especially at airports where WW and FI both serve.
jasoncrh wrote:WW flew flights late at night when it had no trouble getting slots at JFK. They were not valuable slots - there are plenty of slots at those times at night. They cannot monetize them. Not sure about the other ones.aemoreira1981 wrote:As for the future, I have to wonder if FI has any lessor or airline from which it could source passenger B763s with time left on them. The only major airline retiring them right now is El Al (American will soon, but not for another 3-4 years). They could also be taking a look at
Right now, WW's major assets are its landing slots, particularly at JFK, European airports, and TLV. I could see Icelandair seeking to monetize those slots by leasing them out, especially at airports where WW and FI both serve.
aemoreira1981 wrote:jasoncrh wrote:WW flew flights late at night when it had no trouble getting slots at JFK. They were not valuable slots - there are plenty of slots at those times at night. They cannot monetize them. Not sure about the other ones.aemoreira1981 wrote:As for the future, I have to wonder if FI has any lessor or airline from which it could source passenger B763s with time left on them. The only major airline retiring them right now is El Al (American will soon, but not for another 3-4 years). They could also be taking a look at
Right now, WW's major assets are its landing slots, particularly at JFK, European airports, and TLV. I could see Icelandair seeking to monetize those slots by leasing them out, especially at airports where WW and FI both serve.
I stand corrected on that. However, they do have slots at airports where they're hard to get like AMS (although likely useless since slots can't be traded), FRA, and CDG. Their EWR slot, in the early evening, may not be worth much, but could be worth something if FI decides to move its flight up.
Bigant0408 wrote:Feel sorry for PIT if cancellation is true cause then they be down to BA and Condor for international flights
EvanWSFO wrote:They need to go back to being what made them a viable carrier. Trans-European routes and sun routes in and near Europe.
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:Rule #1 in business: if you don't turn a profit, you won't get another chance to try something else. WW is moving quickly from routes that aren't working so that they can find something that does. Maybe they will find their niche and become the next Virgin Atlantic or JetBlue.
Andy33 wrote:and ending up as the de facto Delta Transatlantic Connection operator perhaps isn't the ideal model.
EBJ68 wrote:Someone will surely ask: WW stands for WOW Air
EBJ68 wrote:Someone will surely ask: WW stands for WOW Air
peterinlisbon wrote:From a passengers point of view, you have the choice of flying in a ridiculously cramped A320 with a stop in the middle of the night that creates a 2 hour delay, whilst you queue up to go through security with 500 other people. No food, no entertainment. Or you could fly direct on a 787 with Norweigan for about the same price.
I wonder if they could have done better by offering free stopovers and tours. Iceland is a very interesting place to spend a day (or more), but not to spend 2 hours.
peterinlisbon wrote:From a passengers point of view, you have the choice of flying in a ridiculously cramped A320 with a stop in the middle of the night that creates a 2 hour delay, whilst you queue up to go through security with 500 other people. No food, no entertainment. Or you could fly direct on a 787 with Norweigan for about the same price.
I wonder if they could have done better by offering free stopovers and tours. Iceland is a very interesting place to spend a day (or more), but not to spend 2 hours.
LAX772LR wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:Feel sorry for PIT if cancellation is true cause then they be down to BA and Condor for international flights
Huh?
PIT lags behind similar medium-sized nonhub TATL gateways (AUS, MSY, BNA, etc) by millions of pax, yet still manages to maintain two scheduled intercon carriers.... and you think that's cause for sorrow??
airberlin2017 wrote:The Loads to DTW & STL are not better than PIT...
11/28 (today) KEF-DTW 143/208 => 68,7%
11/28 (today) DTW-KEF 140/208 => 67,3%
11/30 KEF-DTW 99/208 => 47,5%
11/30 DTW-KEF 151/208 => 72,5%
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11/28 (today) KEF-STL 96/208 => 46,1%
11/29 STL-KEF 106/208 => 50,9%
11/30 KEF-STL 90/208 => 43,2%
12/01 STL-KEF 132/208 => 63,4%
klm617 wrote:It look s like we can see now where the tipping point at PIT is as far as TATL even with money paid more than one daily flight is only sustainable. Even when US had their huge hub there it only fielded 3 TATL flights a day there with all that feed.
SRQKEF wrote:klm617 wrote:It look s like we can see now where the tipping point at PIT is as far as TATL even with money paid more than one daily flight is only sustainable. Even when US had their huge hub there it only fielded 3 TATL flights a day there with all that feed.
This isn’t about PIT, it’s about WOW being at death’s door.
SRQKEF wrote:peterinlisbon wrote:From a passengers point of view, you have the choice of flying in a ridiculously cramped A320 with a stop in the middle of the night that creates a 2 hour delay, whilst you queue up to go through security with 500 other people. No food, no entertainment. Or you could fly direct on a 787 with Norweigan for about the same price.
I wonder if they could have done better by offering free stopovers and tours. Iceland is a very interesting place to spend a day (or more), but not to spend 2 hours.
There's no airside security check for connecting passengers in KEF, only passport checks for Schengen -> non-Schengen and vice versa.
Runway28L wrote:thegreatRDU wrote:January 11 2019 will be the last day for PIT it seems, anyone have insight on how the flight performed?
I've helped handle the inbound intl arrivals all this summer and most of fall so far this year. The flights usually did pretty well during the spring and summer (80-90% I would estimate). Loads during wintertime however typically were suspect (60-70%).
peterinlisbon wrote:SRQKEF wrote:peterinlisbon wrote:From a passengers point of view, you have the choice of flying in a ridiculously cramped A320 with a stop in the middle of the night that creates a 2 hour delay, whilst you queue up to go through security with 500 other people. No food, no entertainment. Or you could fly direct on a 787 with Norweigan for about the same price.
I wonder if they could have done better by offering free stopovers and tours. Iceland is a very interesting place to spend a day (or more), but not to spend 2 hours.
There's no airside security check for connecting passengers in KEF, only passport checks for Schengen -> non-Schengen and vice versa.
I remember being woken up in the middle of the night and herded through some long line inside the terminal along with hundreds of other people on my way from US to the UK (so Schengen doesn't enter into it), but this was back when it was called Iceland Express. My lasting memory of that flight was arriving exhausted, thinking I would take a quick nap and then sleeping from 2pm until 9pm. I didn't get any sleep on either flight.