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hayzel777 wrote:As if SFO is not already crowded enough, now the G side will probably be filled with LCC pax! Ugh!
hayzel777 wrote:As if SFO is not already crowded enough, now the G side will probably be filled with LCC pax! Ugh!
hayzel777 wrote:As if SFO is not already crowded enough, now the G side will probably be filled with LCC pax! Ugh!
barney captain wrote:Is LGW-SFO replacing OAK, or in addition? Sorry, but can you cite a source please?
What about their current service to OSL/CPH/CDG/BCN/FCO/ARN out of OAK?
They serve a lot more than just LGW. Your thread title (unless you have more information) is far from accurate.
EDIT - I just looked at the route map - as of April - June of 2019, they will continue to serve LGW as well as the other 6 European destination from OAK.
It looks like your "predictions" were a bit off.
SonaSounds wrote:
OAK route will be dropped (oak-lgw to be replaced with sfo-lgw). Wait a few more hours. I know what I'm talking about....
a350lover wrote:Do you believe this is a right move taking into account Norwegian's situation? I assume SFO is way more expensive to operate in. Do they have poor yields just because they fly to OAK instead SFO? Competition, although not exactly on the SFO-LGW corridor, still up to 5 daily SFO-LHR is going to be hard from SFO, and fares can't increase much. On the other hand, could SFO potentially handle all the Norwegian routes which they operate in OAK? I still see that scenario far from real, but you never know...
OAK route will be dropped (oak-lgw to be replaced with sfo-lgw). Wait a few more hours. I know what I'm talking about....
SonaSounds wrote:
Average CPE is $5 difference between OAK and SFO and international may be more like a $10 difference CPE. You're talking about Norwegian needing to get $10 more a ticket to breakeven and they can now market the route as "San Francisco" instead of "Oakland - San Francisco Bay Area". Name recognition in Europe alone should make up the difference.
barney captain wrote:OAK route will be dropped (oak-lgw to be replaced with sfo-lgw). Wait a few more hours. I know what I'm talking about....
Fair enough - but when someone posts a random statement like that without any supporting evidence, expect scepticism.
I'll ask again - will this be all the OAK service, or just LGW?
If it's just LGW, I go back to my original statement that your thread title is completely misleading - as 5 of the 6 European markets remain at OAK.
a350lover wrote:SonaSounds wrote:
Average CPE is $5 difference between OAK and SFO and international may be more like a $10 difference CPE. You're talking about Norwegian needing to get $10 more a ticket to breakeven and they can now market the route as "San Francisco" instead of "Oakland - San Francisco Bay Area". Name recognition in Europe alone should make up the difference.
Looking at it individually, it doesn't sound like a big difference, but when you breakdown the Norwegian fares, it actually makes a bit of difference, especially now that they are looking at cost control like crazy.
Very much agree on the name recognition, San Francisco is much more appealing for the market than just Oakland. However, Norwegian has a bit of history serving Oakland (serves the area from 2014), and for all these years they seemed not to suffer of any problem on that.
BayAreaFlyer wrote:Bummer, OAK just recently upgraded their international arrivals building able to accommodate a high volume of passengers. Might be the time to find another European carrier and potential Asian routes that could serve OAK in the future.
hayzel777 wrote:As if SFO is not already crowded enough, now the G side will probably be filled with LCC pax! Ugh!
wedgetail737 wrote:Sounds like the same move PE did back in the 1980's, when they moved their OAK-EWR to SFO-EWR
ucdtim17 wrote:Perhaps the title of the thread should be updated to reflect the fact that just LGW is moving to SFO (for now)?
Which other routes might hop over the bay from Oakland to SFO? Time will tell. Lindstrom said that London won't be the only destination to get SFO flights, but would not divulge others under consideration
SonaSounds wrote:ucdtim17 wrote:Perhaps the title of the thread should be updated to reflect the fact that just LGW is moving to SFO (for now)?
More are moving over for next summer season as I have said before. The article above confirms it. Thread title is perfectly accurate.Which other routes might hop over the bay from Oakland to SFO? Time will tell. Lindstrom said that London won't be the only destination to get SFO flights, but would not divulge others under consideration
FSDan wrote:SonaSounds wrote:ucdtim17 wrote:Perhaps the title of the thread should be updated to reflect the fact that just LGW is moving to SFO (for now)?
More are moving over for next summer season as I have said before. The article above confirms it. Thread title is perfectly accurate.Which other routes might hop over the bay from Oakland to SFO? Time will tell. Lindstrom said that London won't be the only destination to get SFO flights, but would not divulge others under consideration
Nothing in the linked article at all suggests that they plan on closing OAK... Only that they are moving LGW over to SFO in the hopes of getting more premium traffic, and that they are evaluating other destinations to start from SFO. It's possible that their end game is to wind down OAK in favor of SFO, but you really couldn't infer that from any sources shared so far.
BayAreaFlyer wrote:ucdtim17 wrote:SonaSounds wrote:3 months ago
DY is rumored to be leaving OAK next year as well
source?
He has no source, it’s false information.
SonaSounds wrote:OAK and SJC have been losing long haul international service left and right (SJC-FRA, OAK-LGW, SJC-PVG, etc)
FromCDGtoSYD wrote:Didn't DY reconfigure (part of) their LGW fleet to have alot more Y+ seats ? This might be step 2 of this strategy, if so then I don't see any other services shifting away. Kudos to DY and best of luck to them.
Sad for OAK though, losing all their LGW in such a short period of time.
BoeingGuy wrote:SonaSounds wrote:OAK and SJC have been losing long haul international service left and right (SJC-FRA, OAK-LGW, SJC-PVG, etc)
This is a bit misleading. SJC had no long haul international flights a few years back. Five new long haul international flights were added left and right. Two have since been discontinued - both of which I predicted would be the weaker ones not likely to last.
CA, LH, and AM added new flights and dropped them. BA, NH and HU added flights and they remain.
SJC has one flight to Europe and two to Asia. That's three more long haul international flights than they had six years ago. It's hardly correct to say that SJC has been losing long haul international service left and right.
SonaSounds wrote:FSDan wrote:SonaSounds wrote:
More are moving over for next summer season as I have said before. The article above confirms it. Thread title is perfectly accurate.
Nothing in the linked article at all suggests that they plan on closing OAK... Only that they are moving LGW over to SFO in the hopes of getting more premium traffic, and that they are evaluating other destinations to start from SFO. It's possible that their end game is to wind down OAK in favor of SFO, but you really couldn't infer that from any sources shared so far.
EvanWSFO wrote:SonaSounds wrote:FSDan wrote:
Nothing in the linked article at all suggests that they plan on closing OAK... Only that they are moving LGW over to SFO in the hopes of getting more premium traffic, and that they are evaluating other destinations to start from SFO. It's possible that their end game is to wind down OAK in favor of SFO, but you really couldn't infer that from any sources shared so far.
SonaSounds wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:SonaSounds wrote:OAK and SJC have been losing long haul international service left and right (SJC-FRA, OAK-LGW, SJC-PVG, etc)
This is a bit misleading. SJC had no long haul international flights a few years back. Five new long haul international flights were added left and right. Two have since been discontinued - both of which I predicted would be the weaker ones not likely to last.
CA, LH, and AM added new flights and dropped them. BA, NH and HU added flights and they remain.
SJC has one flight to Europe and two to Asia. That's three more long haul international flights than they had six years ago. It's hardly correct to say that SJC has been losing long haul international service left and right.
I mean by your argument one could say that half the new long haul service that started in the last 6 years has failed, no? I wouldn't consider that very successful.
SonaSounds wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:SonaSounds wrote:OAK and SJC have been losing long haul international service left and right (SJC-FRA, OAK-LGW, SJC-PVG, etc)
This is a bit misleading. SJC had no long haul international flights a few years back. Five new long haul international flights were added left and right. Two have since been discontinued - both of which I predicted would be the weaker ones not likely to last.
CA, LH, and AM added new flights and dropped them. BA, NH and HU added flights and they remain.
SJC has one flight to Europe and two to Asia. That's three more long haul international flights than they had six years ago. It's hardly correct to say that SJC has been losing long haul international service left and right.
I mean by your argument one could say that half the new long haul service that started in the last 6 years has failed, no? I wouldn't consider that very successful.
SonaSounds wrote:FSDan wrote:SonaSounds wrote:
More are moving over for next summer season as I have said before. The article above confirms it. Thread title is perfectly accurate.
Nothing in the linked article at all suggests that they plan on closing OAK... Only that they are moving LGW over to SFO in the hopes of getting more premium traffic, and that they are evaluating other destinations to start from SFO. It's possible that their end game is to wind down OAK in favor of SFO, but you really couldn't infer that from any sources shared so far.
I told everyone this was happening months ago and no one believed it.
FSDan wrote:SonaSounds wrote:FSDan wrote:
Nothing in the linked article at all suggests that they plan on closing OAK... Only that they are moving LGW over to SFO in the hopes of getting more premium traffic, and that they are evaluating other destinations to start from SFO. It's possible that their end game is to wind down OAK in favor of SFO, but you really couldn't infer that from any sources shared so far.
I told everyone this was happening months ago and no one believed it.
Sorry, I still don't see how the thread title is accurate based on sources that can be cited... "Norwegian moving OAK-LGW to SFO-LGW" would absolutely be an accurate title, but the best info we have to go on otherwise is Norwegian's own spokesman saying that other existing routes are better suited to OAK and FLL. As of now, the fact that Norwegian is pulling out of OAK completely is, at best, a rumor.
enilria wrote:FSDan wrote:SonaSounds wrote:
I told everyone this was happening months ago and no one believed it.
Sorry, I still don't see how the thread title is accurate based on sources that can be cited... "Norwegian moving OAK-LGW to SFO-LGW" would absolutely be an accurate title, but the best info we have to go on otherwise is Norwegian's own spokesman saying that other existing routes are better suited to OAK and FLL. As of now, the fact that Norwegian is pulling out of OAK completely is, at best, a rumor.
I would call it a trial balloon. F9 and NK and G4 have done things like this where they trialed "the other airport nearby" to do an A-B test on performance. I think if MIA/SFO do well and they have facilities, it will all move. OTOH, it may not do well. Running a split operation is not the goal. They are only at SWF because they cannot expand at JFK according to what I've heard them say. If SFO and MIA aren't constrained I see them moving...pending results.
FSDan wrote:SonaSounds wrote:FSDan wrote:
Nothing in the linked article at all suggests that they plan on closing OAK... Only that they are moving LGW over to SFO in the hopes of getting more premium traffic, and that they are evaluating other destinations to start from SFO. It's possible that their end game is to wind down OAK in favor of SFO, but you really couldn't infer that from any sources shared so far.
I told everyone this was happening months ago and no one believed it.
Sorry, I still don't see how the thread title is accurate based on sources that can be cited... "Norwegian moving OAK-LGW to SFO-LGW" would absolutely be an accurate title, but the best info we have to go on otherwise is Norwegian's own spokesman saying that other existing routes are better suited to OAK and FLL. As of now, the fact that Norwegian is pulling out of OAK completely is, at best, a rumor.
SonaSounds wrote:FSDan wrote:SonaSounds wrote:
I told everyone this was happening months ago and no one believed it.
Sorry, I still don't see how the thread title is accurate based on sources that can be cited... "Norwegian moving OAK-LGW to SFO-LGW" would absolutely be an accurate title, but the best info we have to go on otherwise is Norwegian's own spokesman saying that other existing routes are better suited to OAK and FLL. As of now, the fact that Norwegian is pulling out of OAK completely is, at best, a rumor.
Their spokesperson, Lindstrom, literally said "London won't be the only destination to get SFO flight." https://www.sfgate.com/chris-mcginnis/a ... 409289.php
They are moving more flights. Wait another month for more announcements......