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AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:44 pm

AA announced today they are adding their A321T product to the LAX-BOS transcon market effective April 2, 2019.

I’m hearing that there are no more A321T’s being added to the fleet and that this will be a reshuffling of the current fleet.

Schedule:
LAX–BOS
AA156 Departs LAX at 7:45 a.m.
AA156 Arrives BOS at 4:16 p.m.
AA2455 Departs LAX at 9:55 p.m.
AA2455 Arrives BOS at 6:22 a.m.
BOS–LAX
AA211 Departs BOS at 7:24 a.m.
AA211 Arrives LAX at 11:10 a.m.
AA2542 Departs BOS at 5:45 p.m.
AA2542 Arrives LAX at 9:28 p.m.


http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2018/American-Airlines-Introduces-Premium-A321T-Aircraft-to-Transcontinental-Service-Between-Los-Angeles-and-Boston/default.aspx
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:56 pm

I had heard rumors of more A321Ts but nothing in a while I hope that is true........But this is good news and I assume there are more niche markets that can justify them. This along with adding ORD to the Shuttle shows some aggressive thinking and product enhancements in those markets.
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:59 pm

Good idea:
1) Builds premium feed to the LAX TPAC hub
2) Boston has a lot of yuppies
3) They occasionally send A321Ts on BOS-JFK, so the plane isn't entirely new to the airport
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:03 pm

Rios221 wrote:
Good idea:
1) Builds premium feed to the LAX TPAC hub
2) Boston has a lot of yuppies
3) They occasionally send A321Ts on BOS-JFK, so the plane isn't entirely new to the airport

Huh? An A321T is just a A321. So of course it wouldn’t be new to BOS... lol
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:06 pm

What does the reshuffling involve? Will they be reducing the number of flights between JFK-SFO to fund the new BOS flying?
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:08 pm

flyguy84 wrote:
Rios221 wrote:
Good idea:
1) Builds premium feed to the LAX TPAC hub
2) Boston has a lot of yuppies
3) They occasionally send A321Ts on BOS-JFK, so the plane isn't entirely new to the airport

Huh? An A321T is just a A321. So of course it wouldn’t be new to BOS... lol


I believe he is referring to the sub fleet of A321T that have first and business.
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:22 pm

It's really about time. They were getting their clocks cleaned on this route. It was getting about the same yields as ATL/MCO-LAX (despite being much longer flight), which had been their own worst transcons out of LAX. With DL and now UAD both moving to lie flat on this route, AA really had no choice unless they want all their premium traffic go elsewhere.

I do wonder if this is just higher utilization on A321T or they are cutting frequencies on JFK-LAX/SFO.

Now, by far the weakest player on this is AS. Don't think they are going to last another year on this route.
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:36 pm

Ezra wrote:
What does the reshuffling involve? Will they be reducing the number of flights between JFK-SFO to fund the new BOS flying?


I have no inside information, so I'm just speculating. But since it's the summer traffic schedule, I'm wondering if they plan to run some 767s on JFK transcon routes as a way to expand on their premium product.
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:50 pm

airstatdfw wrote:
flyguy84 wrote:
Rios221 wrote:
Good idea:
1) Builds premium feed to the LAX TPAC hub
2) Boston has a lot of yuppies
3) They occasionally send A321Ts on BOS-JFK, so the plane isn't entirely new to the airport

Huh? An A321T is just a A321. So of course it wouldn’t be new to BOS... lol


I believe he is referring to the sub fleet of A321T that have first and business.


The aircraft are identical in footprint though. From an airfield/gating perspective it’s no different than any other 321S which is what I think flyguy84 was getting at.

The only real difference from the BOS-JFK flights I can think of would be the catering requirements.
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:15 pm

They need this. The product on LAX-BOS has become hypercompetive and AA was falling desperately behind.

Similarly, the 777-300ER is also being reintroduced to MIA-LAX.
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:26 pm

Interesting, although not totally surprising. My biggest question is who is going to pay to fly F from BOS-LAX, especially when the product isn't that different from J. Unlike JFK-LAX/SFO, I can't imagine BOS-LAX has any material amount of demand for an F product.

They have to do something to stem the drop in yields they have seen over the past few quarters (although Delta's introduction of D1 in the market doesn't seem to have helped them much either.) Here is Q2 data (stealing this from tphuang's post from the JetBlue network thread):

CityPair Dist Carrier Board AvgFare NSFare ConnFare % NS SeatPerFlight LF AvgAsm PRASM vs B6
BOSLAX 2611 AA 151240 246.44 244.16 301.28 95.99% 170.8 83.70% 204.35 0.0783 81.59%
BOSLAX 2611 AS 46998 202.43 201.4 302.03 98.98% 142.4 85.30% 171.78 0.0658 68.58%
BOSLAX 2611 B6 100041 280.31 280.26 295.08 99.64% 159.0 89.37% 250.47 0.0959 100.00%
BOSLAX 2611 DL 63557 268.75 265.66 319.37 94.25% 167.0 86.90% 230.86 0.0884 92.17%
BOSLAX 2611 UA 70781 265.51 261.05 357.77 95.39% 175.1 84.90% 221.63 0.0849 88.49%

AA is, remarkably, capturing lower average fares and LF's versus B6/DL/UA despite being the largest carrier in the market.
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:04 pm

Interesting development. Some LAX-BOS frequencies will be operated by these extremely low density planes, while others will still be operated by the usual subpar narrowbodies plying the route today. If successful, I wonder if we could see *some* A321T services alongside the usual domestic birds on routes like LAX-DCA/MIA/ORD/PHL. Call me crazy, but maybe even LAX-DFW could support a frequency or 2! Savvy FFers don't seem to have any problem tracking down the likes of 777s and 787s on domestic hub-hub routes...why not the A321T as well?
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:11 pm

JFK-LAX sees 1 frequency dropped.
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:26 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
Interesting development. Some LAX-BOS frequencies will be operated by these extremely low density planes, while others will still be operated by the usual subpar narrowbodies plying the route today. If successful, I wonder if we could see *some* A321T services alongside the usual domestic birds on routes like LAX-DCA/MIA/ORD/PHL.


Are you arguing for a fleet expansion, or have you done the math and found very low utilization of this subfleet?
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:45 pm

LAXintl wrote:
JFK-LAX sees 1 frequency dropped.


That seems like the right choice. AA is already behind the competition from a frequency perspective on JFK-SFO, whereas they have enough flights on JFK-LAX that it shouldn't hurt their offering too much to cut one.
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:46 pm

If any city-pair screams premium pax, it's LAX-DCA. Why no 321T on that route?
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:03 pm

Cutting JFK.

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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:08 pm

BN727227Ultra wrote:
If any city-pair screams premium pax, it's LAX-DCA. Why no 321T on that route?

They are bleeding money on BOS-LAX. They are probably making money out of DCA. Though I'd agree they should put a premium configured aircraft out of DCA also.
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:17 pm

tphuang wrote:
BN727227Ultra wrote:
If any city-pair screams premium pax, it's LAX-DCA. Why no 321T on that route?

They are bleeding money on BOS-LAX. They are probably making money out of DCA. Though I'd agree they should put a premium configured aircraft out of DCA also.


I'm certain they are making money DCA-LAX, but now they're competing with Delta One on DCA-LAX.

Don't wait for Amazon to arrive. AA needs 321T service DCA-LAX yesterday.
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:21 pm

AA321T wrote:


At LAX, customers flying in Flagship First have exclusive access to the most premium experience... a refreshing drink from the build-your-own-cocktail station.


Yup, that sounds like a premium experience :rotfl: Maybe at a frat house.

jetbluefan1 wrote:
Interesting, although not totally surprising. My biggest question is who is going to pay to fly F from BOS-LAX, especially when the product isn't that different from J. Unlike JFK-LAX/SFO, I can't imagine BOS-LAX has any material amount of demand for an F product.


I think there's very little demand for an actual F product, but misusing the A321T on LAX-BOS is probably a better choice than continuing to bleed premium traffic to B6, DL, and UA who all offer lie-front seats in their premium cabins. IMO they still will have a consistency problem in that only two of the seven frequencies will offer the premium product, but then AA's market opportunity outside of JFK-LAX/SFO probably isn't large enough to justify another A321 subfleet and the 757s with J may be needed for other markets.
 
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:25 pm

I flew this route earlier this year in J, on the overnight departure ex LAX. The lack of a flat bed wasn’t my biggest gripe, the fact we got no meal was worse. Thankfully I’d lounge access due to my BA status so I ate there, but no dinner or no breakfast on a 5hr flight in J was pathetic in my opinion
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:26 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
Interesting development. Some LAX-BOS frequencies will be operated by these extremely low density planes, while others will still be operated by the usual subpar narrowbodies plying the route today. If successful, I wonder if we could see *some* A321T services alongside the usual domestic birds on routes like LAX-DCA/MIA/ORD/PHL.


Are you arguing for a fleet expansion, or have you done the math and found very low utilization of this subfleet?


I obviously don't have the numbers that AA does, *but* recent actions in the transcon realm by not just AA but also B6, DL and UA seem to indicate good opportunities for premium services beyond just JFK-LAX/SFO. I doubt all 4 of these airlines would be heavily investing in hard and soft product when it comes to markets beyond the aforementioned trifecta (like Boston and San Diego) for the heck of it. If anything, this move speaks volumes to the potential AA sees in BOS. We are talking about a place that AA and US were both scaling back operations before merging - and its not like the merged carrier has done much more than continue to cut service! I can only imagine how happy FFers in hub markets like CLT, MIA, ORD and PHL would be if select frequencies to LAX were operated by A321Ts. More than a few road warriors already go out of their way to catch internationally-configured widebody services when they can.

Perhaps more importantly, I think AA really needs to figure out what it wants its brand to be. Anyone in Southern California or the Northeast has the option to fly just about any U.S. carrier across the country. Moreover, folks in these markets can reap the benefits of just about any/every FFer program available. Maybe AA wants to up their game like the aforementioned B6, DL and UA to justify their higher fares. Maybe they'd rather be like US and AS and be more of a mid-range, mid-priced carrier with a big network but fewer frills than the likes of DL and UA. As it stands today, this airline seems genuinely confused as to whether it wants to be more like PMAA or PMUS...
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Re: AA Adding A321T Product to BOS

Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:54 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:

I obviously don't have the numbers that AA does, *but* recent actions in the transcon realm by not just AA but also B6, DL and UA seem to indicate good opportunities for premium services beyond just JFK-LAX/SFO. I doubt all 4 of these airlines would be heavily investing in hard and soft product when it comes to markets beyond the aforementioned trifecta (like Boston and San Diego) for the heck of it. If anything, this move speaks volumes to the potential AA sees in BOS. We are talking about a place that AA and US were both scaling back operations before merging - and its not like the merged carrier has done much more than continue to cut service! I can only imagine how happy FFers in hub markets like CLT, MIA, ORD and PHL would be if select frequencies to LAX were operated by A321Ts. More than a few road warriors already go out of their way to catch internationally-configured widebody services when they can.

Perhaps more importantly, I think AA really needs to figure out what it wants its brand to be. Anyone in Southern California or the Northeast has the option to fly just about any U.S. carrier across the country. Moreover, folks in these markets can reap the benefits of just about any/every FFer program available. Maybe AA wants to up their game like the aforementioned B6, DL and UA to justify their higher fares. Maybe they'd rather be like US and AS and be more of a mid-range, mid-priced carrier with a big network but fewer frills than the likes of DL and UA. As it stands today, this airline seems genuinely confused as to whether it wants to be more like PMAA or PMUS...


This to me for AA is entirely about its corporate and premium market share at LAX. It has been solidifying its top position at LAX, but is clearly loosing out to DL on BOS/DCA-LAX. AA should be dominating DL on both of those markets, but have given that up by putting forth an entirely uncompetitive product. It doesn't care about loosing a few high yielding client to B6 on MIA-LAX, since most of them will continue to fly AA elsewhere. However, it's hard to see how legacy airlines aren't going to be loosing a lot of money here.

For example in Q2, DL had average fare of $415 on non-stop itinerary on JFK-LAX, but only $266 on BOS-LAX. And that was before UA added lie flat. Now when all the major players have lie flats, the competition will be even harder. There is a reason why legacy carriers were only flying lie flats on NYC-LAX/SFO prior to the entrance of mint. Certain yields work for B6, but not at legacies cost levels.

ScottB wrote:

I think there's very little demand for an actual F product, but misusing the A321T on LAX-BOS is probably a better choice than continuing to bleed premium traffic to B6, DL, and UA who all offer lie-front seats in their premium cabins. IMO they still will have a consistency problem in that only two of the seven frequencies will offer the premium product, but then AA's market opportunity outside of JFK-LAX/SFO probably isn't large enough to justify another A321 subfleet and the 757s with J may be needed for other markets.


But my guess is that they will loose a lot more money with A321T than what they have right now. 757 seems to be a far more appropriate product here.

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