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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:45 am

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Virgin Australia is starting seasonally DRW - DPS flights from April 10 to October 20 three times a week.

Flight times are:
DRW 2100- DPS 2220
DPS 1535 - DRW 2000

Not sure what days of the week.

Source (behind paywall)
https://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/tra ... b50a54e8ab

Good times to and from Bali. Hope this works out and does better than the new Shenzhen flights.


The flight will operate similar to the PHE flights, where it operates something like BNE-DPS-PHE-DPS-SYD, the first flight from both SYD and BNE arrive at DPS around 1430-1500 but dont depart until late evening so this would be good use of an aircraft that would typically sit on the ground. PHE flights operate on Saturday's so I would take it that this would be one day that this new seasonal flight doesnt operate on


Interesting! Didn't see that coming! I'm guessing this flight will be operated by the 738 from mainline?

Does VARA have the necessary requirements to operate international? I would have thought that the F100 would be a better size to operate PHE/DRW - DPS
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:22 am

QF581/582 PER-SYD operated by 744 today
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:36 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF41 wrote:
Virgin Australia is starting seasonally DRW - DPS flights from April 10 to October 20 three times a week.

Flight times are:
DRW 2100- DPS 2220
DPS 1535 - DRW 2000

Not sure what days of the week.

Source (behind paywall)
https://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/tra ... b50a54e8ab

Good times to and from Bali. Hope this works out and does better than the new Shenzhen flights.


The flight will operate similar to the PHE flights, where it operates something like BNE-DPS-PHE-DPS-SYD, the first flight from both SYD and BNE arrive at DPS around 1430-1500 but dont depart until late evening so this would be good use of an aircraft that would typically sit on the ground. PHE flights operate on Saturday's so I would take it that this would be one day that this new seasonal flight doesnt operate on


Interesting! Didn't see that coming! I'm guessing this flight will be operated by the 738 from mainline?

Does VARA have the necessary requirements to operate international? I would have thought that the F100 would be a better size to operate PHE/DRW - DPS


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:31 am

Some of these VA international routes that are being opened up would likely be better suited to TT’s cost structure and offering, but I guess they haven’t quite got that set up for that yet.

The only benefit really is being able to use VA aircraft in a way to increase utilisaton where possible.

They have talked up using TT on international routes, but other than the disaster that was their attempt at DPS services, it’s being silence since.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:46 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF41 wrote:
Virgin Australia is starting seasonally DRW - DPS flights from April 10 to October 20 three times a week.

Flight times are:
DRW 2100- DPS 2220
DPS 1535 - DRW 2000

Not sure what days of the week.

Source (behind paywall)
https://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/tra ... b50a54e8ab

Good times to and from Bali. Hope this works out and does better than the new Shenzhen flights.


The flight will operate similar to the PHE flights, where it operates something like BNE-DPS-PHE-DPS-SYD, the first flight from both SYD and BNE arrive at DPS around 1430-1500 but dont depart until late evening so this would be good use of an aircraft that would typically sit on the ground. PHE flights operate on Saturday's so I would take it that this would be one day that this new seasonal flight doesnt operate on


Interesting! Didn't see that coming! I'm guessing this flight will be operated by the 738 from mainline?

Does VARA have the necessary requirements to operate international? I would have thought that the F100 would be a better size to operate PHE/DRW - DPS


PHE-DPS was operated by XR when it was still Skywest, with a Fokker, before it became VARA, so yes, has operated internationally previously.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:02 am

PHE-DPS was operated by XR's A320s towards the end just before the rebranding to VARA. It was still operated by the A320 after the VARA rebrand before it was swapped with a VA mainline 738.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:01 pm

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Sydney about to get smashed by some storms. Im seeing planes fly in parts of the sky that I rarely/don't ever see them in.


Again SYD weather has thrown things into mass delays, VA has delayed one flight to PER by 16 hours, half of the redeyes will be delayed causing upline delays for tomorrow, there are also 3 flights delayed to PER by st least 4 hours, the OOL flight might be lucky to get here by sunrise
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:33 pm

Pity about the VA DRW-DPS timing... if you've been reading the recent stories about the NT economy even launching seasonal service is a bit risky.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:29 pm

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qf2220 wrote:
Sydney about to get smashed by some storms. Im seeing planes fly in parts of the sky that I rarely/don't ever see them in.


Again SYD weather has thrown things into mass delays, VA has delayed one flight to PER by 16 hours, half of the redeyes will be delayed causing upline delays for tomorrow, there are also 3 flights delayed to PER by st least 4 hours, the OOL flight might be lucky to get here by sunrise


Further to above, if you are travelling on VA from PER on Friday, expect delays, end result has been 2 flights delayed to arrive during day on Friday which where suppose to arrive Thursday night, on top of that another 2 flights were cancelled, as a result only 2 aircraft overnighting instead of 6, looking at other ports there are several aircraft at the wrong port so I would expect things to be quite messy for Friday, to make matters worse LF’s on most flights are very high or full so accomodating passengers on other flights isn’t going to be much of an option. I would expect QF is in a similar position
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:35 am

Did any aircraft at SYD sustain any hail damage with reports of large (5-8cm) hail in the Sydney area yesterday or was the large hail absent from the airport region?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:45 am

re QF581/582 PER-SYD operated by 744 today (20/12/18), I booked a surprise flight for my partner & myself PER-SYD-PER back in mid August when QF also were using the 744. It had been on my partner's bucket list to fly on a 747 as it's her favourite aircraft, so the surprise went down a treat. Ground staff & cabin crew were absolutely brilliant in making sure that she had a memorable first flight on a 747 culminating with a visit to the cockpit after landing in SYD.
The PER-SYD flight was ca 3hours duration flying over our home city of Adelaide not long after sunset at a maximum ground speed of 724mph / 1164 km/h, while on the return flight, the duration was ca 5 hours with ground speeds in the order of 440 mph / 708 km/h.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:15 am

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Did any aircraft at SYD sustain any hail damage with reports of large (5-8cm) hail in the Sydney area yesterday or was the large hail absent from the airport region?


From what I have read in the media, the really large stuff - "about 8cm wide" according to the weather bureau - fell at Berowra, which is 30km from the airport but close to flight paths. Surry Hills, at the southern end of the CBD and therefore around 5km from the airport, had hail in the 5cm range. And many eastern suburbs areas are reporting "golf ball sized" hail too - sounds like the airport had a near miss.

Houses get broken skylights and cracked roof tiles, cars have front and rear windscreens smashed and some nasty dents in the metalwork. Are aircraft tough enough to withstand that sort of impact when stationary on the ground?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:18 am

^^well done, a perfect gift, and hats off to QF. Love those PER-SYD ground speeds.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:46 am

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Interesting update on the QF/AA JV - Feb19 now.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -e-454187/

This quote caught my attention not one I’d previously seen - The airlines have emphasised the economic benefit of their partnership, which tally at $310 million annually. In addition, they have promised to add at least three new routes between Australia and the USA if approved.

I’m thinking BNE-ORD, MEL-DFW, and maybe AA on LAX-MEL (not really a new route). Not sure what else makes sense in the context of a JV with AA? SEA I still don’t see value in at all, and it’s an AS stronghold not AA. Maybe drop the dedicated BNE-LAX, and move it to BNE-SFO to beat UA and BNE-LAX-JFK remains, and if the market grows AA can add a 788 BNE-LAX?


QF would primarily be relying mostly on O&D on the SFO end ex-BNE (despite having a interline agreement with UA).

Also with SFO already served from SYD and MEL and not currently daily year round from each major city, I would think QF would want to consolidate the SYD/MEL-SFO flights first once the next tranche of 787s start arriving.

Though I do agree the current x3 BNE-LAX terminators would be useful for DFW and/or ORD.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:03 am

SCFlyer wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
Interesting update on the QF/AA JV - Feb19 now.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -e-454187/

This quote caught my attention not one I’d previously seen - The airlines have emphasised the economic benefit of their partnership, which tally at $310 million annually. In addition, they have promised to add at least three new routes between Australia and the USA if approved.

I’m thinking BNE-ORD, MEL-DFW, and maybe AA on LAX-MEL (not really a new route). Not sure what else makes sense in the context of a JV with AA? SEA I still don’t see value in at all, and it’s an AS stronghold not AA. Maybe drop the dedicated BNE-LAX, and move it to BNE-SFO to beat UA and BNE-LAX-JFK remains, and if the market grows AA can add a 788 BNE-LAX?


QF would primarily be relying mostly on O&D on the SFO end ex-BNE (despite having a interline agreement with UA).

Also with SFO already served from SYD and MEL and not currently daily year round from each major city, I would think QF would want to consolidate the SYD/MEL-SFO flights first once the next tranche of 787s start arriving.

Though I do agree the current x3 BNE-LAX terminators would be useful for DFW and/or ORD.


Don't forget that QF have an extensive codeshare partnership with AS which has been extended to include the Legacy VX operation out of SFO. Between AS and UA, plus limited AA presence, QF actually has quite a broad connection network over SFO.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:04 am

BITRE domestic activity for October 2018 has been released https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/domestic_airline_activity-monthly_publications.aspx.

  • Phenomenal load factors across the board as capacity is constrained but passengers continue to increase
  • Strong performance for intra WA with KGI, ZNE, and PHE all reporting double digit growth
  • HBA still the fastest growing airport of the top 10, hence the growing pains mentioned in my earlier posts
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:08 am

Agree the 3x (?) weekly BNE-LAX terminators will go and BNE-SFO seems possible. Interestingly, last year's pax numbers on BNE-LAX were quite lower than previous year (before QF 744 to 789 switch) and not sure how much of that could be attributed to VA going from 7 to 6x/weekly.
I'd bet MEL-DFW and maybe MEL-HNL (yes exists on JQ, but still "new" as per QF statement). Can't see BNE-DFW/ORD, but who knows...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:49 pm

eta unknown wrote:
Agree the 3x (?) weekly BNE-LAX terminators will go and BNE-SFO seems possible. Interestingly, last year's pax numbers on BNE-LAX were quite lower than previous year (before QF 744 to 789 switch) and not sure how much of that could be attributed to VA going from 7 to 6x/weekly.
I'd bet MEL-DFW and maybe MEL-HNL (yes exists on JQ, but still "new" as per QF statement). Can't see BNE-DFW/ORD, but who knows...


I think BNE-DFW could be very possible as when QF ran the DFW-BNE-SYD flight with the 744, BNE was very popular and had just as many passengers as SYD. I think DFW on AA would be a good idea along with SFO on QF and then AA take over the LAX 3 weekly flights. ORD may start with QF.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:46 pm

oskarclare wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
Agree the 3x (?) weekly BNE-LAX terminators will go and BNE-SFO seems possible. Interestingly, last year's pax numbers on BNE-LAX were quite lower than previous year (before QF 744 to 789 switch) and not sure how much of that could be attributed to VA going from 7 to 6x/weekly.
I'd bet MEL-DFW and maybe MEL-HNL (yes exists on JQ, but still "new" as per QF statement). Can't see BNE-DFW/ORD, but who knows...


I think BNE-DFW could be very possible as when QF ran the DFW-BNE-SYD flight with the 744, BNE was very popular and had just as many passengers as SYD. I think DFW on AA would be a good idea along with SFO on QF and then AA take over the LAX 3 weekly flights. ORD may start with QF.


BNE may well work but I wouldn't use the numbers going through to SYD on the DFE - BNE - SYD run as a guide. Most SYD passengers routed through LAX on the return as for the most popular destinations it was a 1 stop to SYD.

As soon as they were able to do SYD non stop BNE was gone. However, with a 789 BNE may be viable.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:14 am

Darwins new service to China seems to be struggling
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-06/ ... y/10587454
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:26 am

Reports of light aircraft crash north of Perth

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/region ... 881058301z
 
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Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:02 am

To all contributors and passive readers of this thread, may I wish you all a safe and happy xmas and new year. Take care, cheers
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Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:33 pm

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To all contributors and passive readers of this thread, may I wish you all a safe and happy xmas and new year. Take care, cheers


Hey guys,
I second that!
I'm looking forward to a great year aviation wise in 2019: Project Sunrise and possibly 737 replacement decisions for QF plus the preparation for Neo and MAX operations by JQ and VA. Could we also have a Saab 340 replacement decision by Rex... And a change in shareholders for VA? I also consider likely a new European airline and a new ME airline will announce services to Australia, plus finally the launch of a third international operator out of Canberra. QF should announce a new NA destination (I think Chicago, but I want Seattle!) and I think that Australia-India will finally get some loving attention with gradually expanded services. i think that there will be a chance that Ethiopian will announce services to Australia, though I have all but given up on hope of Norwegian expanding downunder from either Singapore or Argentina. Aerolineas Argentinas may announce a resumption of Australian services towards the end of 2019 as its future long haul fleet decisions are firmed up.
On a personal note, I believe Santa is about to surprise me with an unexpected overseas holiday and I hope to firm up a separate European jaunt mid-2019.... Hopefully flying Etihad (please Santa, 'The Residence'.... I promise to be a good boy!).
My Boxing Day reading this year will be the history of the RAF's transport fleet, 'On Atlas' Shoulders' by Craig Gibson....
Cheers all, and Merry Christmas,
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:32 am

Merry Christmas everyone!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:03 am

Merry Christmas Everyone.
Looking forward to big things in 2019. Especially from the major two airline groups
(QF: e.g new American destination(s) pending on QF/AA JV, 737 replacement decisions towards the end of the year. NEO training and eventual push into service for JQ)
(VA: New CEO, possible change of shareholders with 3 shareholders (two of them in financial trouble themselves) being mentioned in the media throughout the year looking at 'exiting' VA, MAX training and service for VA mainline, as well as A320 replacement for TT).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:31 am

QR904 to MEL has diverted to PER for a medical
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:45 am

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737 replacement decisions.

What makes you think this?

I'd think the recent refurb, repaint and Satellite Internet installation means we won't see a retirement for 5 years
(And suspect Qantas will wait until the full launch of the 797/MOM before even considering a decision)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:05 am

is there some talk of qantas looking at buying 350s ?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:13 am

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is there some talk of qantas looking at buying 350s ?



There has plenty of talk on here about it, just a case of A350’s or 77X’s. I doubt it will be both but probably more 787’s at some point to.

Merry Christmas all!!! :}
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:11 am

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Darwins new service to China seems to be struggling
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-06/ ... y/10587454


I'm not surprised that it is under-performing. I have not seen that many chinese tour groups in Darwin. most of them would go to the big cities like Sydney, Melbourne. Darwin has little to offer for CHinese tourists - unless if they wanted to see a croc.

Plus Darwin's tourism season is literally seasonal - with wet season Darwin is a bit of a ghost town.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:57 am

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To all contributors and passive readers of this thread, may I wish you all a safe and happy xmas and new year. Take care, cheers


Merry Christmas to you too and everyone else on this thread. Genuinely think this is one of the best threads on A.net and hope you all have had a great day and a safe and happy new year.
Bring on 2019.
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:10 pm

I'd like to add to those wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas.

If you are travelling to visit loved ones interstate and overseas this holiday season then travel safe and enjoy the chance to reconnect with friends and family.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:15 am

Nice news for WA to close out the year, ANA to start daily PER-NRT flights from Sept 1 2019

https://www.ausbt.com.au/ana-launches-d ... ource=hero
 
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Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:26 am

Some of my own thoughts for 2019.

We will see resignations of CEOs of both Qantas and Virgin Australia. Borghetti has already announced his will go 1/1/20 but as soon as the board chooses a new CEO, JB will be tidying his desk and ready for a quick exit as soon as the new CEO begins, barring some 'handover' and being around to help the new guy or girl settle in. Virgin Australia will also reveal its east-west 'Perth Product', a lie-flat B737 business class seat.

Meanwhile Alan Joyce will order Project Sunrise jets and see out QF's 100th anniversary and then he will step down too, end of 2020 or early 2021. Also QF/AA JV to be approved in Q1 but will need to wait for new 787s as current fleet is now fully allocated. As some or maybe all new 787s will be based at SYD due to being largely 747 replacements I expect SYD-ORD will replace the promised BNE-ORD.
BNE-ORD route.

I would really like to see TK make good on its endless talk of IST-AU flights, maybe this year LOL!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:46 am

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Nice news for WA to close out the year, ANA to start daily PER-NRT flights from Sept 1 2019

https://www.ausbt.com.au/ana-launches-d ... ource=hero



Brilliant news
Certainly be checking those flights out.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:09 am

Good news about NH finally confirming their PER flights.

The 788 is the best sized aircraft for the route at the start. If it does well, there’s always scope for upgauging, but it takes pressure off them trying to gain sufficient yields to fill seats early on.

Good luck to NH.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:57 am

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Some of my own thoughts for 2019.
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Meanwhile Alan Joyce will order Project Sunrise jets and see out QF's 100th anniversary and then he will step down too, end of 2020 or early 2021. Also QF/AA JV to be approved in Q1 but will need to wait for new 787s as current fleet is now fully allocated. As some or maybe all new 787s will be based at SYD due to being largely 747 replacements I expect SYD-ORD will replace the promised BNE-ORD.
BNE-ORD route.

IMHO after talking to a few people who have worked directly for him, in the past, AJ will see out the DELIVERY of Project Sunrise aircraft and their successful entry into service then retire. Also I'd watch which senior executive(s) work very closely with him on PJ, there most likely will be the new CEO.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:26 am

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Also QF/AA JV to be approved in Q1 but will need to wait for new 787s as current fleet is now fully allocated. As some or maybe all new 787s will be based at SYD due to being largely 747 replacements I expect SYD-ORD will replace the promised BNE-ORD.
BNE-ORD route.


I don't think any future routes have been actually "promised." Reading all the interviews and articles relating to future 787-9 routes AJ has said many things. If you read the articles most use the word "possible" or "likely." Agreed that most of the 787-9s will have to be used to replace some of the 744s. HKG utilising 789s is just temporary until the newer 789s come online but I agree some or most will have to be SYD based and replace or start new routes from there. So far the only "growth" has come from the new daily MEL-PER-LHR and the now 6 weekly additional MEL-LAX/SFO flights. The 789s on BNE-LAX were replacing the 744s so slightly reduced capacity on that route. SYD will probably be the biggest beneficiary going forward.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:35 am

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Virgin Australia will also reveal its east-west 'Perth Product', a lie-flat B737 business class seat.


This is unlikely to happen next year and I think you will find that the 737-10's are more likely to have such a product.

The initial 737MAX8's will likely replace 737-800's of which will replace A320's for TT of which some of those may end up at VARA. Putting such a product in the 737MAX8's will compromise capacity, it will also create utilisation issues, quite often on flights to PER particularly late in the day it is quite a regular occurance that there are rego swaps. The premise of the Perth Product was to offer a product in the fleet that would replace A330 services. At the moment I can not see anymore A330's heading to International. Numbers over recent months on PER trans con flights have increased, there is also the question of the HU investment, if that goes the HKG flights will go with it. If HU stays the HKG flights will stay, there has been plenty of talk previously of VA entering the China market however since then the one airline, one route policy has been relaxed and therefore there is not the need for VA to enter that market which is already heavily saturated by Chinese airlines
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:51 pm

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So far the only "growth" has come from the new daily MEL-PER-LHR ...


But that came at the expense of an A380 being taken off the MEL-LHR route, so I wouldn't really call it "growth".
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:15 am

Batik Air has backflipped the plans to cancel PER-DPS and how now reinstated it

https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... 881059769z
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Batik Air has backflipped the plans to cancel PER-DPS and how now reinstated it

https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... 881059769z


I remember you saying loads were terrible, any reason for the back flip do you think?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:06 am

waoz1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Batik Air has backflipped the plans to cancel PER-DPS and how now reinstated it

https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... 881059769z


I remember you saying loads were terrible, any reason for the back flip do you think?


They were terrible, at the start of this month over 3 consecutive days they carried about 40 passengers out of PER. Their loads outbound have been a lot better over the past couple of weeks however I am not ready to get excited as with pretty much all carriers have been going out full or close to it.due to peak season. Their loads inbound are still pretty crap however saying that GA came in last night with less than a 20% LF. Overall I think there is too much capacity on PER-DPS and I think people are looking for new travel opportunities. I also do wonder how much effect the Lion Air crash is having an effect on Batik, as they do have painted on the side of their aircraft in decent size writing something to the effect of Part of the Lion Air Group. Even Indonesia AirAsia loads have been inconsistent as well, though after seeing what happened last week I am not surprised why their loads are inconsistent after a pretty elementary mistake by one of the pilots. The only star performer on PER-DPS is JQ.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:56 am

qf789 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Batik Air has backflipped the plans to cancel PER-DPS and how now reinstated it

https://thewest.com.au/travel/air-aviat ... 881059769z


I remember you saying loads were terrible, any reason for the back flip do you think?


They were terrible, at the start of this month over 3 consecutive days they carried about 40 passengers out of PER. Their loads outbound have been a lot better over the past couple of weeks however I am not ready to get excited as with pretty much all carriers have been going out full or close to it.due to peak season. Their loads inbound are still pretty crap however saying that GA came in last night with less than a 20% LF. Overall I think there is too much capacity on PER-DPS and I think people are looking for new travel opportunities. I also do wonder how much effect the Lion Air crash is having an effect on Batik, as they do have painted on the side of their aircraft in decent size writing something to the effect of Part of the Lion Air Group. Even Indonesia AirAsia loads have been inconsistent as well, though after seeing what happened last week I am not surprised why their loads are inconsistent after a pretty elementary mistake by one of the pilots. The only star performer on PER-DPS is JQ.



Maybe your right, with some of the negative media recently people are just sticking with what they know.
I have never been to Bali (probably only person in Perth who hasn't), however when I do hear of people flying there is always JQ or GA.

It would be nice to have some other options other than Bali as you say seems too much capacity. Tho dont see any airline offering any new options on the horizon (well besides NH at the moment.)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:17 pm

ArtV wrote:
SeaEagle8 wrote:
So far the only "growth" has come from the new daily MEL-PER-LHR ...


But that came at the expense of an A380 being taken off the MEL-LHR route, so I wouldn't really call it "growth".


The A380 was redeployed to MEL-SIN to connect on to the A380 SYD-SIN-LHR which replaced both via DXB. MEL-SIN became double daily. So in effect both A380s on SYD-DXB and MEL-DXB were replaced with SYD-SIN and MEL-SIN. MEL-PER-LHR was a pure new addition.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:52 pm

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The A380 was redeployed to MEL-SIN to connect on to the A380 SYD-SIN-LHR which replaced both via DXB. MEL-SIN became double daily. So in effect both A380s on SYD-DXB and MEL-DXB were replaced with SYD-SIN and MEL-SIN. MEL-PER-LHR was a pure new addition.


There were two A380 Australia-LHR. There is now one A380 SYD-SIN-LHR and one 789 MEL-PER-LHR - resulting in a reduction in seats to LHR ex Australia on Qantas. Spin the DXB / SIN stop overs as you like, but there has been a reduction in seats to LHR with the 789 starting.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:36 pm

The CX website shows CX161/2 (HKG-SYD) will be downgauged to an A330 from 15 Feb 2019, which seems to be earlier than expected.

Previous reports suggested this would happen in late Oct once the A350 is in service.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:15 pm

A couple of anecdotes from my recent QF flights to/from LHR.

I flew on QF1 to London mid November. The SIN-LHR sector was completely empty at least in Y. I sat in the upper deck mini cabin with two seats to myself. Cabin crew advised passengers downstairs was also empty with plenty of spare blocks of three and four seats. I didn't fly the SYD-SIN sector (connected from QF51) but from watching the pax disembark at SIN It appeared to be busier than the SIN-LHR sector.

I returned on QF10 in mid December. I was fortunate to have the middle seat next to me unoccupied it appeared to be the only unoccupied seat in Y. It was quite a quick flight taking 15h41m over an hour quicker than blocked flight time of nearly 17 hours. The transit experience at PER was overall quite pleasant. My only criticism was even though the facility has been open for about six months the egates still appeared to be in the process of being installed. There was just a single line for non crew it ended up taking a good 30-40 minutes to clear immigration. Not that long but longer than you'd expect when it's just the one 236 seat aircraft arriving and you're a AU/NZ passport holder who can usually just breeze through an egate. On board the QF 789 is very nice aircraft to fly on I like how the tablet holder flap closes giving you a nice space to store/charge your phone when you're not using it. And also the Android based IFE is nice and responsive unlike the Panasonic based IFE on my 332/388 flights.

To me it seems like a long flight is long flight. Once you go over about 12 hours, a 13 hour flight doesn't feel that much different than a 16 hour flight. If I was headed to the UK again I wouldn't hesitate using QF9/10 through PER even though it's a long sector it's still quite a quick way if not the quickest with the way QF have banked East/West flights out of PER to connect woth QF9/10.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:55 pm

Nice to hear that they are installing e gates. Could you tell how many were being set up?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - December 2018

Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:38 pm

ArtV wrote:
SeaEagle8 wrote:
The A380 was redeployed to MEL-SIN to connect on to the A380 SYD-SIN-LHR which replaced both via DXB. MEL-SIN became double daily. So in effect both A380s on SYD-DXB and MEL-DXB were replaced with SYD-SIN and MEL-SIN. MEL-PER-LHR was a pure new addition.


There were two A380 Australia-LHR. There is now one A380 SYD-SIN-LHR and one 789 MEL-PER-LHR - resulting in a reduction in seats to LHR ex Australia on Qantas. Spin the DXB / SIN stop overs as you like, but there has been a reduction in seats to LHR with the 789 starting.


I am talking about capacity gains ex-Australia.. doesn't matter where the capacity is going. Read my original post. Nowhere did I mention LHR as the focus of my post. My point is.... so far with the 789s being added out of MEL, SYD and BNE the only gains have occurred with the addition of MEL-PER-LHR and MEL-SFO/LAX. The BNE-LAX additions have only occurred to replace the 744 on that run. MEL has 2 daily 380s pre and post the launch of the 789s. Most pax travelling to LHR from SYD and MEL are going via SIN now instead of DXB.
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