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lollomz
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LCY SSJ Certification

Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:58 am

Hi all, any news about the certification of Cityjet SSJ-100 in LCY?
Any info will be appreciated, thanks
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Re: LCY SSJ CERTIFICATION

Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:30 am

Not much point given that Cityjet will be disposing of their Super Jet's.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ CERTIFICATION

Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:33 pm

Are WX disposing of their SSJs?
 
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Re: LCY SSJ CERTIFICATION

Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:51 pm

eirflot wrote:
Are WX disposing of their SSJs?


One already in storage and the rest to go once the SN ops end in March. To be replaced with CRJ900s.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ CERTIFICATION

Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:51 pm

eirflot wrote:
Are WX disposing of their SSJs?

Don't pay much attention to him. He doesn't even know how to write Superjet.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ CERTIFICATION

Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:55 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
eirflot wrote:
Are WX disposing of their SSJs?


One already in storage and the rest to go once the SN ops end in March. To be replaced with CRJ900s.


There has been no confirmation of such. It's believed WX will use CRJ900 for SN but that doesn't mean they are getting rid of the SSJs.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:30 pm

Like most other things in the airlines history (I count 6 different re-brands since starting operations in 1994) the Superjet operation clearly has not gone as planned for Cityjet. The winglets that were to be added to the aircraft for LCY certification seem to have been consistently delayed and they cant keep the Avro's in the air forever. Makes you wonder why Sukkhoi didn't include wing tip devices in the design from the start, every other passenger jet from the last 20+ years has had them. The SSJs seem to spend most of the time sitting around the ramp at the Cityjet hangar in Dublin when not being used for wet leases. They likely got a good lease deal from Sukkhoi but the CRJ, A220 and new E-Jets all have superior CASM. The SSJs will probably end up with shamrocks on the tail if they keep them but its not looking like they will in the long term.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:48 pm

EI321 wrote:
Makes you wonder why Sukkhoi didn't include wing tip devices in the design from the start, every other passenger jet from the last 20+ years has had them.


Winglets are a fix for an imperfect wing design. You can avoid them by designing the wing properly from the outset. It's the reason why the latest airliners like the 787 only feature swept-back wingtips that end in a narrow tip, and not 737/757/767/A320 style blended winglets. The MC-21 doesn't have winglets either.

seansasLCY wrote:
It's believed WX will use CRJ900 for SN but that doesn't mean they are getting rid of the SSJs.


The CityJet CRJs are all operated for SAS, and are all in SAS markings. It would be weird if they start using those for Brussels Airlines.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:00 pm

VSMUT wrote:
EI321 wrote:
Makes you wonder why Sukkhoi didn't include wing tip devices in the design from the start, every other passenger jet from the last 20+ years has had them.


Winglets are a fix for an imperfect wing design. You can avoid them by designing the wing properly from the outset. It's the reason why the latest airliners like the 787 only feature swept-back wingtips that end in a narrow tip, and not 737/757/767/A320 style blended winglets. The MC-21 doesn't have winglets either.

seansasLCY wrote:
It's believed WX will use CRJ900 for SN but that doesn't mean they are getting rid of the SSJs.


The CityJet CRJs are all operated for SAS, and are all in SAS markings. It would be weird if they start using those for Brussels Airlines.


Brussels Airlines currently has one CRJ from Air Nostrum on lease: EC-LPG. Air Nostrum and CityJet joined forces earlier this year.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:01 pm

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Air Nostrum and CityJet joined forces earlier this year.


Announced, but did it happen yet? I am pretty sure the Brussels Airlines-Air Nostrum thing is between those two only, separate from any CityJet dealings, just like the SAS-Air Nostrum flying.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:28 am

Due to the testbed crash landing, saberlet certification and retrofit will not begin until until Q22019, from 2020 onwards all production SSJ100s will include them from the factory.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:45 am

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Due to the testbed crash landing, saberlet certification and retrofit will not begin until until Q22019, from 2020 onwards all production SSJ100s will include them from the factory.



Wasn’t it just a hard landing putting it out of Ops for a short while hence the delay? Rather than a crash landing?
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:25 am

VSMUT wrote:
EI321 wrote:
Makes you wonder why Sukkhoi didn't include wing tip devices in the design from the start, every other passenger jet from the last 20+ years has had them.


Winglets are a fix for an imperfect wing design. You can avoid them by designing the wing properly from the outset. It's the reason why the latest airliners like the 787 only feature swept-back wingtips that end in a narrow tip, and not 737/757/767/A320 style blended winglets. The MC-21 doesn't have winglets either.


A350 ones are more like those of 737/757/767/A32X still I cannot think the A350 wing to be an imperfect wing.
Can we rather say that winglets (as 737 and A320 mostly) are better suited when you need short haul / high cycle performance or you need to save on totally airplane size to accomodate it in a smaller airport parking slot?
Whereas you can use wings extension as 787, 777, 747-8 when you focus on long haul flight?
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:14 am

I hope this jet will get it.
 
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:02 am

VSMUT wrote:
Winglets are a fix for an imperfect wing design. You can avoid them by designing the wing properly from the outset.


Every wing design is imperfect, constrained by design factors. The 777 wing is a good example, now on its fourth* iteration as engineering tweaks balance performance versus weight and load.

The perfect wing for a 300-tonne widebody would be something like a variable-geometry 200 metre-span high-aspect design with 40 degrees of sweep in the cruise and translating forward to 0 degrees for landing. So why don't we see those more often...? Oh yeah, practicalities.

* including the original folding wing design
 
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Re: LCY SSJ Certification

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:13 pm

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Due to the testbed crash landing, saberlet certification and retrofit will not begin until until Q22019, from 2020 onwards all production SSJ100s will include them from the factory.


Thank you, I didn't know about the 2020 change
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