master14225
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AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:48 am

With the recent report that QF could start service to ORD with a 787 from BNE, would a 787 service to YYZ be possible too with either QF or AC as the 787 can be reached to at least BNE? They also want to add services from BNE to SEA & YVR too as there are no QF flights or any flights to Oceania from SEA and YVR has only seasonal SYD-YVR from QF. QF wants to make BNE a big QF hub as it's the only city where they can add direct service to more eastern US/Canadian cities. Also with the add of AKL-ORD from NZ, a YYZ-AKL could also maybe be added by either NZ or AC too as YYZ has no flights to that entire continent.
 
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:00 am

Sydney market is about five times bigger than Brisbane, which is just a big country town. And, no.
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:13 am

master14225 wrote:
QF wants to make BNE a big QF hub as it's the only city where they can add direct service to more eastern US/Canadian cities.


No they don’t. The whole point of Project Sunrise is to have the capability to fly SYD-JFK (and anything in between) without having to go via somewhere like BNE or LAX. There is talk of BNE-ORD as an interim solution but it would be replaced by SYD-ORD nonstop as soon as they have the aircraft available to do so.

The chances of QF opening YYZ are virtually zero. It’s a very long way to go for a minimal local market and no partner hub.

I’m sure AC has looked at YYZ-SYD but decided it’s a stretch too far for them so are focused on building out with YVR-BNE/MEL instead. There’s no way they would operate YYZ-BNE, they don’t have a local partner at this end. YYZ-AKL would be more likely (still very unlikely).
 
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:58 am

cedarjet wrote:
Sydney market is about five times bigger than Brisbane, which is just a big country town. And, no.


I'm guessing you're from Sydney and have never been to Brisbane?
 
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:59 am

QF does not have enough 787-9s on property now or in the order book to make BNE a larger hub or add a long list of flights to places from BNE that it currently does not fly to. QF's strategy is to replace the 747 with the 787 at the moment, and so the remaining 747 routes where possible are gradually transitioning to the 787. It will remain to be seen what QF places on the SCL and JNB route, though the 787 seems like the obvious choice to SCL. The chances of QF opening YYZ-BNE are next to zero. SYD and MEL are the focal point of any P2P long haul growth as they are the biggest Australia markets. BNE-LAX remains because there is a market there and QF gets AA feed on the LAX end. The route has been around for a long time and LAX remains the #1 market in the US from OZ.
 
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:00 am

qf002 wrote:
I’m sure AC has looked at YYZ-SYD but decided it’s a stretch too far for them so are focused on building out with YVR-BNE/MEL instead. There’s no way they would operate YYZ-BNE, they don’t have a local partner at this end. YYZ-AKL would be more likely (still very unlikely).


AC has a interline/codeshare agreement with VA at MEL/SYD/BNE. Saying that, I agree BNE-YYZ is very unlikely in the long-term from either AC or QF.
 
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:45 am

Remember, AC already flies YYZ-SYD, AC33/34 daily on the 77L, it just stops in YVR on the way. YYZ-Australia is spectacularly long, there isn't really adequate tech available yet for such a route, so for QF, who also wouldn't have a partner, it would likely be suicide, and for AC, well, they can leverage YVR and funnel connecting pax instead. While AC tends to like to dominate just about every market it serves/partners serve from YYZ, this might be a little too much to handle for them at this point.
 
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:43 pm

It was already suicide some 15ish years ago when QF flew 763's SYD-HNL-YYZ and stopped after about 6 months- if that.
 
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:04 pm

SCFlyer wrote:
qf002 wrote:
I’m sure AC has looked at YYZ-SYD but decided it’s a stretch too far for them so are focused on building out with YVR-BNE/MEL instead. There’s no way they would operate YYZ-BNE, they don’t have a local partner at this end. YYZ-AKL would be more likely (still very unlikely).


AC has a interline/codeshare agreement with VA at MEL/SYD/BNE. Saying that, I agree BNE-YYZ is very unlikely in the long-term from either AC or QF.


YYZ-AKL is more realistic given AC and NZ are *A partners but even that is unlikely. More tourists to Canada from AUS/NZ go to YVR and if they are YYZ bound it is a relatively short hop to YYZ from YVR considering the flight times from AUZ/NZ to the west coast of Canada or the US.
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:10 pm

This is on top of the fact that AC's fleet is also very much maxed out at the moment. They cannot introduce any additional routes, and have no aircraft on order either (other than the four A333s they are receiving which have already been allocated). After several years of significant growth, they're entering a conservative era as far as debt/planes/routes, and I suspect that even if they did take more planes on they have more profitable/likely/possible routes to consider first (heck, even service to SIN would seem more likely).
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Re: AC or QF 787 YYZ-BNE possibility

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:48 pm

qf002 wrote:
master14225 wrote:
QF wants to make BNE a big QF hub as it's the only city where they can add direct service to more eastern US/Canadian cities.




The chances of QF opening YYZ are virtually zero. It’s a very long way to go for a minimal local market and no partner hub.
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Totally agree this is off the wall unlikely, but QF does have a partner (WS) with a major hub at YYZ. WS and QF even have reciprocal frequent flyer agreements.
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