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Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:40 am

Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Traffic statistics January - October:

Air Canada : 1,29 million passengers
Norwegian Air Shuttle / Norwegian Air UK: 768.628 passengers
Qantas: 744.728 passengers
Lufthansa: 513.925 passengers

Source: Los Angeles World Airports (LAWA)

(The passengers Qantas shifts from Los Angeles to New York on the route from Sydney is not included).

Up to 50% of Norwegians passengers on the routes are Americans

https://e24.no/boers-og-finans/norwegia ... s/24504984


What would be NeXT for Norwegian ? Latest is that they are apparently planning a route between Santiago, Chile and Miami, USA
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:35 am

Why isn't BA on that list, and how is LH ahead of them? With year round 3x daily (747, 787, A380) they should be ahead of LH which has year round A380 + A346 and only a seasonal extra daily 748. The BA service goes up to 2x daily A380 + 1x daily 787 during summer season.
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:37 pm

B747forever wrote:
Why isn't BA on that list, and how is LH ahead of them? With year round 3x daily (747, 787, A380) they should be ahead of LH which has year round A380 + A346 and only a seasonal extra daily 748. The BA service goes up to 2x daily A380 + 1x daily 787 during summer season.


I was wondering the same thing. However, BA is significantly lowering seat count to LAX starting S19; we'll be seeing 11 weekly 747, 3 weekly A380, and daily 787, as opposed to twice daily A380 and daily 787 last summer.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:46 pm

B747forever wrote:
Why isn't BA on that list, and how is LH ahead of them? With year round 3x daily (747, 787, A380) they should be ahead of LH which has year round A380 + A346 and only a seasonal extra daily 748. The BA service goes up to 2x daily A380 + 1x daily 787 during summer season.


Maybe BA is premium heavy. It's 747 carries 275 pax, less than LH346 of 281 pax, in high J configuration. Low J BA744 carries 345 pax not that much more than LH 346s high density of 297 pax count. It's 380 carries 469 pax and luftie 380 carries 509. So BA 744 and 380 carries 814 pax Max or 744 pax in high J version and LH 346 and 380 carries 806 pax or 790 pax depends on version of A346. Then 748 carries 364 pax compare to BA 788 of 214 pax or 789 of 216 pax. Overall LH has more seats if BA uses high J version of 744, or count LHs 748 VS BAs 787.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:25 pm

Mortyman wrote:
Lufthansa: 513.925 passengers


Is this Lufthansa Group or just the airline Lufthansa
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:33 pm

B747forever wrote:
Why isn't BA on that list, and how is LH ahead of them? With year round 3x daily (747, 787, A380) they should be ahead of LH which has year round A380 + A346 and only a seasonal extra daily 748. The BA service goes up to 2x daily A380 + 1x daily 787 during summer season.

Something not right with those numbers. Arrivals only for BA & LH, but arrivals and departures for Norwegian? Ignores passengers connecting / where LAX not final destination?
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:46 pm

any airline could be top bird at any airport if they werent' concerned about profitability. Nrowegian could just as operate 20 flights a day to LAX.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:49 pm

LAWA Jan-Oct foreign air carrier market share statistics (pdf)

https://www.lawa.org/-/media/lawa-web/s ... 972FA0DE11

For foreign carriers:
1. Air Canada - 1,291,826
2. Qantas - 891,779
3. Volaris - 611,714
4. AeroMexico - 672,664
5. WestJet - 663,960
6. Norwegian - 572,055
7. Air NZ - 530,543
8. BA - 528,954
9. Lufthansa - 514,025
10. EVA - 491,722
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:56 pm

What skews the numbers is that DY/DI have 7 destinations in Europe, while the Lufthansa Group has only 4 (3 in winter).
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:10 pm

I flew Norwegian for the first time in August. The north annex of TBIT was a total mess, and we were several hours late by the time chaotic boarding of buses was completed along with a long ride to our remote gate. Once aboard the 787 it was great experience, excellent value considering the ~$350 fare for a nonstop flight to Spain during the summer, though I was glad to have given myself a lengthy 6 hour layover in Madrid as I was merely connecting on to Barcelona. Do any Norwegian flights use TBIT jetbridges, or is every flight bussed to remote gates?
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:11 pm

LAXintl wrote:
LAWA Jan-Oct foreign air carrier market share statistics (pdf)

https://www.lawa.org/-/media/lawa-web/s ... 972FA0DE11

For foreign carriers:
1. Air Canada - 1,291,826
2. Qantas - 891,779
3. Volaris - 611,714
4. AeroMexico - 672,664
5. WestJet - 663,960
6. Norwegian - 572,055
7. Air NZ - 530,543
8. BA - 528,954
9. Lufthansa - 514,025
10. EVA - 491,722


Interesting that EVA is ahead of all of the other Asians.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:22 pm

Thanks LAXintl for posting those numbers. Those numbers make much more sense than those provided by that Norwegian website.

SurfandSnow wrote:
Do any Norwegian flights use TBIT jetbridges, or is every flight bussed to remote gates?


Whenever I fly out of LAX or plane spot there I see some Norwegian flights use the jetbridges at TBIT, however seems that the majority of flights depart from the remote gates, especially at peak times.
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:49 pm

cschleic wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
LAWA Jan-Oct foreign air carrier market share statistics (pdf)

https://www.lawa.org/-/media/lawa-web/s ... 972FA0DE11

For foreign carriers:
1. Air Canada - 1,291,826
2. Qantas - 891,779
3. Volaris - 611,714
4. AeroMexico - 672,664
5. WestJet - 663,960
6. Norwegian - 572,055
7. Air NZ - 530,543
8. BA - 528,954
9. Lufthansa - 514,025
10. EVA - 491,722


Interesting that EVA is ahead of all of the other Asians.


BR has 3x daily 77W to LAX year round. Other Asian airlines have mostly 1x or 2x daily year round. Also TPE has huge O&D demand ex-LAX.

The one that surprised me is KE... not in the top 10. I guess LAX-ICN traffic is more evenly split between KE and OZ whereas LAX-TPE is lopsided in favor of BR (CI has only 1x daily year round)
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:55 pm

I've flown them a number of times, it's been a bus gate every time leaving, jet bridge coming in.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:30 pm

bzcat wrote:
BR has 3x daily 77W to LAX year round. Other Asian airlines have mostly 1x or 2x daily year round. Also TPE has huge O&D demand ex-LAX.

The one that surprised me is KE... not in the top 10. I guess LAX-ICN traffic is more evenly split between KE and OZ whereas LAX-TPE is lopsided in favor of BR (CI has only 1x daily year round)


CX also flies 77W 3x daily HKG-LAX, but they have low density 4-class config.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:44 pm

LAXintl wrote:
LAWA Jan-Oct foreign air carrier market share statistics (pdf)

https://www.lawa.org/-/media/lawa-web/s ... 972FA0DE11

For foreign carriers:
1. Air Canada - 1,291,826
2. Qantas - 891,779
3. Volaris - 611,714
4. AeroMexico - 672,664
5. WestJet - 663,960
6. Norwegian - 572,055
7. Air NZ - 530,543
8. BA - 528,954
9. Lufthansa - 514,025
10. EVA - 491,722



Thanx for those numbers.

Do you know if the Qantas numbers include passengers on the route between LAX and New York ? The numbers for Qantas on the list the Norwegian newspaper provided does not include passengers Qantas shifts from Los Angeles to New York on the route from Sydney.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:54 pm

I would think LAWA certainly counts those JFK pax also.

All the inbound QF passengers clear customs at LAX and considered international arrival passengers. On return, the JFK passengers deplane and can transfer to 3 different QF flights are considered international departure passengers. They very much are inbound and outbound LAX passengers that make use of facilities at the terminal and airline must pay appropriate usage charges for them.
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:13 pm

LAXintl wrote:
LAWA Jan-Oct foreign air carrier market share statistics (pdf)

https://www.lawa.org/-/media/lawa-web/s ... 972FA0DE11

For foreign carriers:
1. Air Canada - 1,291,826
2. Qantas - 891,779
3. Volaris - 611,714
4. AeroMexico - 672,664
5. WestJet - 663,960
6. Norwegian - 572,055
7. Air NZ - 530,543
8. BA - 528,954
9. Lufthansa - 514,025
10. EVA - 491,722


So is this contradicting what OP posted then?
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:33 pm

I'm surprised that Avianca is not in this list of large carriers at LAX due to their daily and high frequency flights to Central America and Colombia. Looking at the PDF the airport authority still counts TACA El Salvador and Llacsa as separate entities when in reality they're folded into Avianca's operations since 2013/2014.

If put together here's Avianca's number 518,545, just above Lufthansa.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:54 pm

many321 wrote:
Looking at the PDF the airport authority still counts TACA El Salvador and Llacsa as separate entities when in reality they're folded into Avianca's operations since 2013/2014.


Avianca is the marketing name. They have different AOCs hence counted separately.

Similar to LATAM, how LAN, LAN Peru, LATAM etc are seperate AOCs.
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:22 pm

Someone should change the thread title as it is obviously wrong. See the list LAXintl posted.
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:52 am

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Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX


And still losing TONS of $$$ (at least until they cease operations and leave everyone stranded).
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:03 am

Many years ago, Jeopardy's last question of the day was to name the largest foreign operator out of LAX. If I remember correctly, the answer was Mexicana that no one answered correctly, and the host said 2nd/3rd are QF and KE.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:10 am

bzcat wrote:
The one that surprised me is KE... not in the top 10. I guess LAX-ICN traffic is more evenly split between KE and OZ whereas LAX-TPE is lopsided in favor of BR (CI has only 1x daily year round)


Don't forget OZ has almost 100 more seats in their A380s than KE does because if their much more premium configuration.

For BR/CI, CI used to have 2 flights a day but shifted one to ONT a few months ago.
 
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Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:41 am

Since the premise was debunked, thread locked. Please feel free to start a thread of largest foreign carriers at LAX.
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