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Re: Alaska maps out airport expansion at West Coast bases

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:00 am
by Jshank83
SANFan wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
I think this is part of the reason for that. Also, more E175s are based at SAN and more 737s are based at PDX, which makes for easier/more efficient aircraft utilization. If there was enough demand for a 737 on PDX-STL, they would have very likely kept it. With that being said though, Southwest's PDX-STL route is on a 737, and it seems to be doing just fine.

I want to mention a couple of things. SAN ops are currently very evenly split between mainline and EMJs. Early next year, it looks like the scales will tilt a bit toward mainline service due to a/c upgrades on several routes. (Subject to any additional new routes that may start.) However, I'm sure PDX has more of both types of equipment than SAN.

Also, of possible interest to this STL discussion, WN has been offering double-daily SAN-STL since January 2018. I have no idea how AS is doing with their (1x daily EMJ) SAN-STL flight but WN is certainly applying pressure on this route (as well as most others on which both cx compete.) AS has offered their service in the market for a year now -- coincidentally, since the time WN went daily-double! -- and who knows, maybe SAN-STL will also see an upgrade in equip soon.

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I don't think it will get an upgrade for awhile. It started pretty slow. It is doing better and June/July were in the high 80 LFs but a lot of months in the mid 70s. It isn't running on Tuesdays in January. We'll see what happens.

Re: Alaska maps out airport expansion at West Coast bases

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:36 pm
by tphuang
Jshank83 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
I think this is part of the reason for that. Also, more E175s are based at SAN and more 737s are based at PDX, which makes for easier/more efficient aircraft utilization. If there was enough demand for a 737 on PDX-STL, they would have very likely kept it. With that being said though, Southwest's PDX-STL route is on a 737, and it seems to be doing just fine.

I want to mention a couple of things. SAN ops are currently very evenly split between mainline and EMJs. Early next year, it looks like the scales will tilt a bit toward mainline service due to a/c upgrades on several routes. (Subject to any additional new routes that may start.) However, I'm sure PDX has more of both types of equipment than SAN.

Also, of possible interest to this STL discussion, WN has been offering double-daily SAN-STL since January 2018. I have no idea how AS is doing with their (1x daily EMJ) SAN-STL flight but WN is certainly applying pressure on this route (as well as most others on which both cx compete.) AS has offered their service in the market for a year now -- coincidentally, since the time WN went daily-double! -- and who knows, maybe SAN-STL will also see an upgrade in equip soon.

bb


I don't think it will get an upgrade for awhile. It started pretty slow. It is doing better and June/July were in the high 80 LFs but a lot of months in the mid 70s. It isn't running on Tuesdays in January. We'll see what happens.


considering that AS has been operating SAN-STL on 76 seaters, the numbers are really terrible. It's kind of what you expect for AS going into WN fortress hubs. BWI and DAL are similarly tough routes. I don't understand why people would expect things to be different.