Southwest 737 overran runway at BUR

Revelation · Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:46 pm

https://twitter.com/TheDEWLine/status/1 ... 9183498240 says:

Steve Trimble @TheDEWLine

I’m at the @fly_BUR Burbank airport. It appears a Southwest 737 slid off the runway. A witness in the parking garage told me he saw passengers evacuate by the emergency slides.

And pic:

Any additional confirmation?

PlanesNTrains · Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:50 pm

I’m having flashbacks.....

Chemist · Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:51 pm

Here's a better picture:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtwCt-VUUAATzQe.jpg:large

It's raining heavily today in SoCal.

evank516 · Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:51 pm

Deja vu all over again.

NIKV69 · Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:51 pm

Socal can never handle rain!

Chemist · Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:52 pm

Looks like EMAS saved the day, would have been like the incident a decade or so ago, same runway and location.

LAXBUR · Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:53 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Socal can never handle rain!

Seems like more of a Southwest problem.

NIKV69 · Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:58 pm

LAXBUR wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Socal can never handle rain!

Seems like more of a Southwest problem.

Runway 8 not even 6000'?

Hmmmm

mcdu · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:04 pm

The 737 is unforgiving on short runways. Add wet and a potentially unstabalaized approach and it’s the recipe for an overrun.

badgervor · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:05 pm

Looks like N752SW
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N75 ... /KOAK/KBUR

LAXBUR · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:08 pm

BUR closed to arrivals - obviously. Some diverting back to their origin.

joeblow10 · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:09 pm

Frankly I’m shocked this doesn’t happen more often at the likes of BUR, SNA, MDW, EYW, etc. where these large jets fly in ... especially when it rains

Bradin · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:09 pm

I'm hearing on the local LA media it is Southwest Flight #278.

SWALUV · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:13 pm

Listening to the Live ATC recording of it now, area of heavy precipitation was over the field at the time of WN278 landing. Glad to see that EMAS worked perfectly.

MSPNWA · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:13 pm

Chemist wrote:
Looks like EMAS saved the day, would have been like the incident a decade or so ago, same runway and location.

Definitely. Chalk one up for EMAS. Could have been bad otherwise.

electro3k · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:17 pm

traindoc · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:18 pm

Oops! Time for duct tape! On a more serious note, looks like all the pax are OK!

cynlb · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:19 pm

Video
https://abc7.com/southwest-flight-rolls ... t/4846973/

WN732 · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:21 pm

Must not have been going too fast at the point of reaching the EMAS. It didn't go very far into it.

WPvsMW · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:28 pm

The genesis of EMAS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest ... light_1455

mcdu · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:28 pm

WN732 wrote:
Must not have been going too fast at the point of reaching the EMAS. It didn't go very far into it.

Actually looks like they steered left into as they were concerned about going deep into EMAS or going into the street again.

Chemist · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:33 pm

I wonder how fast they were going when they hit it? Will be interesting to read the report on this one.

sixtyseven · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:35 pm

Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit.

SurfandSnow · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:37 pm

It's been a *very* rainy morning here in LA. Landings at BUR almost always occur on 5,802 ft (1,768 m) Runway 8 since that is the only runway with ILS and clear terrain for approach. This will always be challenging on wet days like today (and March 5th, 2000) but runway extension is out of the question thanks to the NIMBY voters of Burbank. Looks like EMAS is the best possible solution given these operational constraints. Are commercial ops banned at nearby VNY (Van Nuys Airport), where a nice 8,001 ft (2,439 m) runway is available?

alasizon · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:38 pm

mcdu wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Must not have been going too fast at the point of reaching the EMAS. It didn't go very far into it.

Actually looks like they steered left into as they were concerned about going deep into EMAS or going into the street again.

I'd agree with the veering to the left but based on how far into the EMAS they are; I would have to argue they were traveling at least 50-60 knots still. As I recall, the EMAS is roughly 200' long and is designed to stop a plane going 100 knots by the time you reach the end and the plane is about 120' into it.

LAXBUR · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:39 pm

sixtyseven wrote:
Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit.

As stated several times in this post and linked news article... it was landing. Geesh.

sixtyseven · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:41 pm

LAXBUR wrote:
sixtyseven wrote:
Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit.

As stated several times in this post and linked news article... it was landing. Geesh.

It’s a joke. Ever seen a southwest plane taxi? Cowboy central.

scbriml · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:41 pm

This thread would be reading very differently if this was Lion in Indonesia. :scratchchin:

TWA302 · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:42 pm

Thank God for EMAS! Looks like some nasty wx at BUR! Wonder what the underbelly of 752SW looks like now? Must be a mess. Glad all pax and crew are safe.

PlanesNTrains · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:43 pm

sixtyseven wrote:
Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit.

Outfit? .....

ltbewr · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:43 pm

While I understand that the airport has strict rules on approach for safety and noise limits, like the previous crash there it is likely this plane came in too high and fast and compounded by the wet conditions. As this was built in 1999 this is for sure going to scrap after the investigation. WN is having a bad year after so many good ones.

WayexTDI · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:44 pm

SurfandSnow wrote:
It's been a *very* rainy morning here in LA. Landings at BUR almost always occur on 5,802 ft (1,768 m) Runway 8 since that is the only runway with ILS and clear terrain for approach. This will always be challenging on wet days like today (and March 5th, 2000) but runway extension is out of the question thanks to the NIMBY voters of Burbank. Looks like EMAS is the best possible solution given these operational constraints. Are commercial ops banned at nearby VNY (Van Nuys Airport), where a nice 8,001 ft (2,439 m) runway is available?

Who flies commercially into VNY? Isn't it just GA there?

PlanesNTrains · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:44 pm

scbriml wrote:
This thread would be reading very differently if this was Lion in Indonesia.

So the slights hurled at them and the comment that 737’s are unforgiving aren’t enough for you?

electro3k · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:50 pm

Looking at the photos... it ended up around here:

GalaxyFlyer · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:52 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
It's been a *very* rainy morning here in LA. Landings at BUR almost always occur on 5,802 ft (1,768 m) Runway 8 since that is the only runway with ILS and clear terrain for approach. This will always be challenging on wet days like today (and March 5th, 2000) but runway extension is out of the question thanks to the NIMBY voters of Burbank. Looks like EMAS is the best possible solution given these operational constraints. Are commercial ops banned at nearby VNY (Van Nuys Airport), where a nice 8,001 ft (2,439 m) runway is available?

Who flies commercially into VNY? Isn't it just GA there?

Nobody commercial, busy GA airport with lots of runway. KBUR is a mess. Once in the EMAS the pilots have virtually no steesage, the concrete crumbles as it will and pulls the plane esp when the gear is damaged

GF

Revelation · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:53 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Thank God for EMAS! Looks like some nasty wx at BUR! Wonder what the underbelly of 752SW looks like now? Must be a mess. Glad all pax and crew are safe.

Look at the bright side: they ended up within walking distance to Starbucks! :biggrin:

vikkyvik · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:55 pm

mcdu wrote:
Actually looks like they steered left into as they were concerned about going deep into EMAS or going into the street again.

They may not have actually steered left; airplane could simply have started veering left due to loss of traction.

electro3k wrote:
Looking at the photos... it ended up around here:

Interesting thing is, unlike most EMAS installations I've seen, the EMAS there is actually significantly extended to the left of the runway. That may have been a lucky break...

sixtyseven · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:55 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
sixtyseven wrote:
Was the over run during takeoff, landing or taxi? They’re all done at the same speed at that outfit.

Outfit? .....

Southwest Airlines.

Or to fit in around here, WN.

mcdu · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:56 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
scbriml wrote:
This thread would be reading very differently if this was Lion in Indonesia.

So the slights hurled at them and the comment that 737’s are unforgiving aren’t enough for you?

How is saying the 737 is unforgiving a slight? Fortunately the CVR/FDR will provide the insight into what took place here.

Looks like a -700 and that is the most forgiving on short runways. The investigation results will be interesting to read.

There is a very easy way to not be the object of internet humor for sliding off of runways.

PlanesNTrains · Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:58 pm

mcdu wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
scbriml wrote:
This thread would be reading very differently if this was Lion in Indonesia.

So the slights hurled at them and the comment that 737’s are unforgiving aren’t enough for you?

How is saying the 737 is unforgiving a slight? Fortunately the CVR/FDR will provide the insight into what took place here.

Looks like a -700 and that is the most forgiving on short runways. The investigation results will be interesting to read.

There is a very easy way to not be the object of internet humor for sliding off of runways.

I didn’t say that was a slight.

RL757PVD · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:00 pm

Curious for the shape of that EMAS (full size mirror to the north), I've never seen that before....

IADCA · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:01 pm

Revelation wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Thank God for EMAS! Looks like some nasty wx at BUR! Wonder what the underbelly of 752SW looks like now? Must be a mess. Glad all pax and crew are safe.

Look at the bright side: they ended up within walking distance to Starbucks!

That Marriott also has a nice bar, as well as places to change one's pants.

many321 · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:02 pm

Revelation wrote:
TWA302 wrote:
Thank God for EMAS! Looks like some nasty wx at BUR! Wonder what the underbelly of 752SW looks like now? Must be a mess. Glad all pax and crew are safe.

Look at the bright side: they ended up within walking distance to Starbucks!

That's what I said. I'll take a venti Chai Latte with that banana bread.

BWIAirport · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:02 pm

Quite possibly the worst airport for a runway excursion based off the proximity of the apron to the runway. If the aircraft had veered off in the other direction, it could've been much worse

mcdu · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:03 pm

vikkyvik wrote:
mcdu wrote:
Actually looks like they steered left into as they were concerned about going deep into EMAS or going into the street again.

They may not have actually steered left; airplane could simply have started veering left due to loss of traction.

electro3k wrote:
Looking at the photos... it ended up around here:

Interesting thing is, unlike most EMAS installations I've seen, the EMAS there is actually significantly extended to the left of the runway. That may have been a lucky break...

Thrust reversers were stowed so not sure it drifted or was steered. Looking at the photos they are almost halfway into the EMAS. The speed may have been significant at entry into ht EMAS?

TWA772LR · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:11 pm

EMAS to the rescue!

lightsaber · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:19 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
Socal can never handle rain!

Tell me about it, two of my team members will need new radiators...

It would be off topic to vent on how the storm drains haven't been properly cleaned out this year and the street water, for such a minor rain, created too many issues. Yes minor rain. But I grew up in Florida. My wipers never left intermittent...

But why a DejaVu event with WN?

Lightsaber

mjoelnir · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:23 pm

So overruns do not just happen in Indonesia.

badgervor · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:28 pm

lightsaber wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Socal can never handle rain!

But why a DejaVu event with WN?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest ... light_1455

starrion · Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:28 pm

ltbewr wrote:
While I understand that the airport has strict rules on approach for safety and noise limits, like the previous crash there it is likely this plane came in too high and fast and compounded by the wet conditions. As this was built in 1999 this is for sure going to scrap after the investigation. WN is having a bad year after so many good ones.

Written off? Until they pull it out, we don't even know if there is serious damage. SW repaired the last one, and it suffered worse damage.

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