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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:36 pm

Time to encourage opening up new African routes. LHR pales in comparison to AMS, CDG or IST.
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:42 pm

lhrsfosyd wrote:
Time to encourage opening up new African routes. LHR pales in comparison to AMS, CDG or IST.


Air Peace should be launching a London to Lagos service in S19, no announcement yet but they have two B777 ready for international operations and it is rumoured this will come to Heathrow.

In addition, Ethiopian could launch Accra to London since they have opened up a Ghanian division and London is a route which has been heavily rumoured.

Other rumours for the London area (not saying they're likely or unlikely, that they are just rumours - the above 2 are the most likely in my opinion):
- Air Namibia Windhoek - Accra - London https://www.namibian.com.na/182399/arch ... ndon-route
- Air Peace Enugu - London https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2 ... -november/
- Virgin Atlantic London - Harare; London - Victoria Falls - Cape Town https://www.thezimbabwemail.com/busines ... -zimbabwe/
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:22 pm

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FlyCaledonian (one of the best if not the best username here on a.net)

I didn't add Bergamo even though I was fully aware that British Airways previously served the airport but I was under the impression that they were charter flights rather than scheduled flights hence the ommision.

Adding Bergamo to the list was a case of did they or didn't they, not being absolutely sure I therefore omitted it from the list.

It operated as BA572/BA573 and BA574/BA575 whilst the flights to Linate from LHR were numbered in the BA56x range.

I've sported that Lourdes is missing as well. It was flown for at least one season after the Dan-Air takeover. I have all BA timetables for the 1990s so if I get time I can look for other oddball routes that maybe existed for a season or two.

Waterford was flown by British Regional Airlines to Manchester and I think Stansted.

Humberside was also served by British Regional Airlines with a daily return flight from Aberdeen.

In North America you can add Charlotte and Montreal Mirabel.

Cunard wrote:
As I mentioned at the top of that post I've omitted the Highland and Scottish Island destinations as I wasn't absolutely confident in remembering or naming all of those various ''strips'' in the Outer Hebrides, Orkney and Shetland Islands that were either operated by British Airways themselves and later on throughout their relevant franchise operations by Flybe and Loganair.

You would have noticed from the list that the only destination that I have listed other than the main Scottish airports is Wick.

I missed that so apologies. But maybe I should have a go at listing them from the old timetables!

Cunard wrote:
On a side note how do you feel about me opening a nostalgic thread about BCAL at some time in the Travel Polls and Preference Forum, I can compile a similar list of all the former destinations that were flown by Britains ''second force airline''.

Absolutely. I would be fascinated by that. I think I mentioned in another thread that some of the route battles between BCal and BA (and later VS and BR) are fascinating.
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:48 am

Virgin Atlantic to launch new daily flights between London Heathrow and Tel Aviv on 25 September 2019, on A330-300.

https://www.virginatlantic.com/gb/en/me ... aunch.html

The timings are:
https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/10 ... 0240163840
VS453 LHR 1330-2035 TLV
VS454 TLV 0715-1110 LHR
From 27 October 2019:
VS453 LHR 1600-2305 TLV
VS454 TLV 0605-0955 LHR
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:44 am

Flybe to launch an initially summer seasonal (could extend to year round) daily flight between Guernsey and London Heathrow on 31st March 2019
GCI 1435-1545 LHR
LHR 1720-1830 GCI
These are the former Cobalt slots

Additionally, a sixth daily flight between London Heathrow and Edinburgh will launch on 31 March 2019:
LHR 0640-0825 EDI
EDI 1735-1915 LHR

In total, during Summer 2019 - Flybe will operate 14 daily flights (12 on Saturdays) to 4 destinations - Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Guernsey and Newquay. This is up from 7 daily flights (5 on Saturdays) in S18 and a doubling in destinations
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:18 pm

I'm surprised they didn't choose to operate to JER before GCI? Thought there'd be more demand?
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:40 pm

8herveg wrote:
I'm surprised they didn't choose to operate to JER before GCI? Thought there'd be more demand?

The Guernsey Government has subsidised the route by hundreds of thousands of pounds, which may explain it
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:13 am

A strange route if this appears:

Blue Air files (OAG Preliminary Schedule) for 2x weekly Bucharest to London Heathrow - Friday and Sunday flights - from 31 March 2019. Flights not on sale yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... le-in-s19/

As Blue Air is a budget airline, who operates to Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and Luton - this seems a very very strange addition
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:40 am

SeanM1997 wrote:
A strange route if this appears:

Blue Air files (OAG Preliminary Schedule) for 2x weekly Bucharest to London Heathrow - Friday and Sunday flights - from 31 March 2019. Flights not on sale yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... le-in-s19/

As Blue Air is a budget airline, who operates to Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and Luton - this seems a very very strange addition


Very interesting addition indeed! I see they’re closing their small Liverpool base too.
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:49 am

SeanM1997 wrote:
A strange route if this appears:

Blue Air files (OAG Preliminary Schedule) for 2x weekly Bucharest to London Heathrow - Friday and Sunday flights - from 31 March 2019. Flights not on sale yet.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... le-in-s19/

As Blue Air is a budget airline, who operates to Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and Luton - this seems a very very strange addition



Crikey! Could have given me 100 guesses at a new airline for LHR and Blue Air would not have crossed my mind.
Seems an odd choice with Tarom and BA in the market with multiple daily flights between them, and not forgetting a fair sized operation up the road at LTN.
There's some serious capacity on LON-OTP already, so I'm not sure what market they're going after. 2 flights a week is not catering for premium demand. With multiple daily LCC flights from LGW, STN & LTN (including their own). I'm struggling to see how they can price match without burning cash, given the associated higher costs of using LHR.

Any idea which terminal they'll be using?
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:18 am

Regarding which terminal, if Blue Air do intend flying OTP-LHR I should imagine they will be using Terminal 4.

Very strange route announcement and very unexpected.
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:41 am

[twoid]and[/twoid]
Cunard wrote:
Regarding which terminal, if Blue Air do intend flying OTP-LHR I should imagine they will be using Terminal 4.

Very strange route announcement and very unexpected.


Let's not forget it's confirmed yet. New airlines are also assigned Terminal 3 now too
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:09 am

Strange if true. They close LPL ‘because of brexit’ yet start LHR ops ‘despite brexit’. It seems they’ve been ruffled in that they can make more money with that plane based elsewhere and rotating in and out of LHR which, last time I checked, was also leaving the EU. It’s a bit like Ryanair closing GLA base ‘because of brexit and APD’ yet moved the plane a few miles east where APD still applies and brexit is still happening and that’s in addition to new UK bases, increased route capacities and expanded bases all despite brexit. I can’t imagine bargain bucket LPL to Benidorm or the Eastern European migrant worker flights make much money at all particularly when you’re paying UK crew and servicing costs.
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:54 am

SeanM1997 wrote:
[twoid]and[/twoid]
Cunard wrote:
Regarding which terminal, if Blue Air do intend flying OTP-LHR I should imagine they will be using Terminal 4.

Very strange route announcement and very unexpected.


Let's not forget it's confirmed yet. New airlines are also assigned Terminal 3 now too


I’d say Terminal 4 probably has the most spare capacity in terms of parking aircraft?
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:07 am

Cunard wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
Cunard wrote:
So going west that's

Guayaquil
Havana
Quito
St Vincent

I can't think of anymore possible destinations.


I'm not 100% sure but I think the extra 777 might be a 4-class GE aircraft, so there'll be 6 3-class GEs, 4 3-class RR and 4 4-class GEs. The 4-class without the crew bunk couldn't do South America and I think the 3-class RR are tied up with LIM, MRU, SJO, LAS, possibly an extra couple of frequencies to squeeze out of it?

St. Vincent is probably likely to be a shuttle from ANU if it happens, I know the LGW commercial team went out to SXM a few years ago but nothing came of it. HAV may well be a good fit now the LGW 777s have a less premium configuration. Phuket and Goa have been bandied around for years but I don't think the yirlds are there for the former and airport constraints stop the latter.



From LHR there are still half a dozen US destinations but most would br on the 787-8 and they're just about accounted for too. IND has probably fallen down the list now Delta fly to CDG from there daily. STL is still an option, as is CVG. Not convinced MSP or DTW are high on the list either but are possibilities. Could well be some more juggling with AA too - DFW is set to remain on the W18 timetable on a 777 for S19 instead of the 747.

After all that, it'll probably be something like Gdansk!


Interesting analysis and I agree with everything that you have wrote but with regards to SXM,

Although SXM as the airport on a divided island in the Dutch Antilles with St Maartin being on the Dutch side and Sint Maartin being on the French side it's a lovely island with a great mix of cultures although very separate with the Dutch side definitely being different to the French side but personally I just can't see it as being a destination for British Airways I never have done and I think that the majority of posters on airliners.net only suggest it because of Maho Beach and the famous jet blast but it doesn't really offer a lot to the British tourist although I think that St Vincent does plus with some VFR I think that's a far more probable future destination in the Caribbean for British Airways than St Maarten would be.

SXM is on Sint Maarten - the Dutch side. Saint Martin - French side. Pedant that I am :)

St Vincent Airport doesn't just serve the main island of St Vincent it's the main airport for others including the beautiful island of Bequia as well as the many islands within the Grenadines which by the way are absolutely beautiful and far different to the likes of St Kitts or St Lucia.

(not saying that those two islands aren't beautiful especially not St Kitts) :-)
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:33 am

Cunard wrote:
Regarding which terminal, if Blue Air do intend flying OTP-LHR I should imagine they will be using Terminal 4.

Very strange route announcement and very unexpected.


Looks like its gone already, if it ever was a thing in the first place: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -schedule/

I dont think it was ever bookable on the website
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:47 am

We hear B6 to LHR...anyone in LHR have info about slot swaps??
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:04 pm

Regarding BA's move of LHR-BIO to LGW-BIO, any idea why this is the case?

Vueling operate BIO-LGW and BA had the LHR flight. Now they're both competing on BIO-LGW and LHR has lost BIO service... Is there any reasoning to this? Will Vueling resume the LHR flight?
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:12 pm

Talk of Juneyao starting a three-weekly Shanghai service. Any more know about this?
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:57 pm

Blueknows wrote:
We hear B6 to LHR...anyone in LHR have info about slot swaps??


No slot swaps yet but they are not always made public until after announcements
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:57 pm

downtown273 wrote:
Regarding BA's move of LHR-BIO to LGW-BIO, any idea why this is the case?

Vueling operate BIO-LGW and BA had the LHR flight. Now they're both competing on BIO-LGW and LHR has lost BIO service... Is there any reasoning to this? Will Vueling resume the LHR flight?


BA have swapped BIO with VLC, as BIO attracts more leisure and VLC more premium
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:11 pm

Word on the street B6 to buy MT UPDATE SOON HOPEFUL
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:20 pm

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Word on the street B6 to buy MT UPDATE SOON HOPEFUL


B6 won't be buying MT and if you really think further about it rather than relying on ''Word on the street'' you'd probably realise that it won't be happening for so many reasons other than the fact that they can't purchase more than 49% of MT.

MT UPDATE SOON HOPEFUL!!!

Where from on the street?

I can't see B6 being part of that MT update.
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:20 pm

Cunard wrote:
I can't see B6 being part of that MT update.


You mean we won't see B6 flying NCL to HRG? :D

I'd be very surprised if B6 chose LHR as a destination (if they ever fly to Europe at all). They'll need to compete on frequency (6+ rotations a day) to attract corporate accounts and LHR doesn't have that capacity, at least not for an affordable price.
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:49 pm

VFRonTop wrote:
Cunard wrote:
I can't see B6 being part of that MT update.


You mean we won't see B6 flying NCL to HRG? :D

I'd be very surprised if B6 chose LHR as a destination (if they ever fly to Europe at all). They'll need to compete on frequency (6+ rotations a day) to attract corporate accounts and LHR doesn't have that capacity, at least not for an affordable price.


Exactly B6 and LHR just doesn't seem possible and as far as them buying MT well that's just plain ridiculous...!
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:27 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
BA have swapped BIO with VLC, as BIO attracts more leisure and VLC more premium


It is the other way around. BIO is more a business market and VLC way more leisure-oriented and overall a much poorer region / city. For instance BIO is the largest airport in Spain (by far) without Ryanair (even if they are now starting SEN) and the 3rd one after MAD and BCN to get a 2-daily rotation year-round. So in London terms, BIO would be more LCY and VLC more LGW.

I suspect it is more about fit. BIO is more heavy-industry city + Guggenheim so continental Europe - specially Germany - is a better fit (Lufthansa is big in BIO). So I don't see the connections with financial-oriented London and American tourists visiting a Gehry-designed Guggenheim in Europe are less obvious. Business is down in summer. For instance Iberia Regional fly 2-3 daily BIO-SCQ but I think in August they don't even fly the route or just 1 daily.

On the other hand, while Valencia is not ALC or AGP for British tourists, it has been a fast-growing city-break / sun destination (sangría, paella and sun) so a good fit for British and increasingly for Americans, specially in summer. DL used to fly JFK-VLC.

Also because it is more business-oriented, BIO has been traditionally better connected to other hubs (AF, LH, KL with multiple daily flights) while Valencia has been only catching up in the last few years. So BA has more competition for connecting traffic to the US or Asia in BIO than VLC.
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:54 pm

Did tons of research looks like B6 is down to either LCY or STN
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:46 pm

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Did tons of research looks like B6 is down to either LCY or STN


I think that you need to do some more research as there is no way that an A321 can use LCY!

B6 only have the A321 NEO on order and they would have to change part of that order to the A321LR for any possible transatlantic service.

STN seems more likely although I don't know where you did 'tons of research' as B6 have stated more or less nothing regarding flying transatlantic regardless of the fact that LHR has been mentioned but in all reality I find that very unlikely for the same reasons as others have pointed out.

If and when B6 do announce their intentions of flying transatlantic you can discount LCY and probably LHR as there airport of choice for London.
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:43 am

Rumor-b6 LHR-Bos summer 2019 some slots opened up(announcing April 10th)b6 CEO doing speech at avation club in LONDOn April 11th
 
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Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:41 am

Did you do a ''Ton more research then''!

I didn't think that ''rumours'' came up when doing ''Tons of research''!

Let's wait and see then what the outcome is on the 10 April.

It's a bit late to announce BOS-LHR on the 10 April 2019 for the summer 2019, a very short lead in time for a new entrant such as B6 at LHR which makes me doubt it even more.

Although any suitable slots required for a Boston flight are as rare as DoDo Pooh especially for a new entrant at LHR.

I get the impression that you are very eager and really want this to happen :-)
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:45 am

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Did you do a ''Ton more research then''!

I didn't think that ''rumours'' came up when doing ''Tons of research''!

Let's wait and see then what the outcome is on the 10 April.

It's a bit late to announce BOS-LHR on the 10 April 2019 for the summer 2019, a very short lead in time for a new entrant such as B6 at LHR which makes me doubt it even more.

Although any suitable slots required for a Boston flight are as rare as Dodo Pooh especially for a new entrant at LHR.

I get the impression that you are very eager and really want this to happen :-)
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:17 am

The BBC and the Independent and several other news outlets are reporting that JetBlue are considering starting transatlantic operations from Boston and New York to London with the A321LR with services expected to start in late 2019.

Gatwick and Stansted are the airports under consideration and an official announcement will be made on the 10 April 2019 in New York and the following day in London.
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:29 am

Air China apply for Shanghai Pudong - London 3x weekly from September 2019
China Eastern apply for Shanghai Pudong - London 3x additional weekly from September 2019
China Southern apply for Shanghai Pudong - London 3x weekly from September 2019

This is in addition to Juneyao Airlines who applied last week for 3x weekly Shanghai Pudong - London from July 2019

British Airways (10 weekly LHR), China Eastern (7 weekly LHR, 3 weekly LGW) and Virgin Atlantic (7 weekly LHR) are already on this city pair
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:05 pm

Cunard wrote:

Gatwick and Stansted are the airports under consideration and an official announcement will be made on the 10 April 2019 in New York and the following day in London.


This actually makes sense. Whilst they have feed at BOS/JFK (and both have decent O&D in any case), B6 would presumably NOT need onward feed from London especially. And its only available from IAG/AFKL/LHG in any meaningful way (treating BE as part of the VS?AFKL group).

So why pay out for LHR when LGW would work - especially linking up with EZ ex LGW for any onward connections that might form part of the load. London and large parts of Europe one stop ex BOS/JFK but 2 stop for any feed both ends
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:44 pm

mutu wrote:
Cunard wrote:

Gatwick and Stansted are the airports under consideration and an official announcement will be made on the 10 April 2019 in New York and the following day in London.


This actually makes sense. Whilst they have feed at BOS/JFK (and both have decent O&D in any case), B6 would presumably NOT need onward feed from London especially. And its only available from IAG/AFKL/LHG in any meaningful way (treating BE as part of the VS?AFKL group).

So why pay out for LHR when LGW would work - especially linking up with EZ ex LGW for any onward connections that might form part of the load. London and large parts of Europe one stop ex BOS/JFK but 2 stop for any feed both ends


I absolutely agree with you and everything that you have commented on, a link up with Easyjet at LGW would be a very positive move by JetBlue but then they could also use STN and link up with Ryanair.

LGW and a partnership with EasyJet would be the best option but with Norwegian at LGW I have a gut feeling that JetBlue might go for STN.

I wait in anticipation to what London airport JetBlue actually chooses for their long rumoured transatlantic operations :-)
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:40 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Rumor-b6 LHR-Bos summer 2019 some slots opened up(announcing April 10th)b6 CEO doing speech at avation club in LONDOn April 11th



Please share what you’re smoking!

So in three months...

JetBlue will:
-secure slots
-take delivery of aircraft
-prove said aircraft
-complete ETOPS cert
-train flight crews
-train inflight crews
-train mx crews
-train AO and GO in Europe...
-oh and sell tickets

No offense man but your track record on here is zero for credible intel.

Also if JetBlue’s track record holds this big announcement will be a new tail paint and we’ll really, really, really tell the public we’re serious this time about thinking about maybe going to Europe.

Honesty i hope you’re right, but call me skeptical.

Best case for your scenario would be 2020. Nothing happens in 3 months.
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:23 pm

Did I ever mention flying in 3 months?
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:27 pm

easyJet are U2 or EZY. Never EZ. That was Euroair and latterly Evergreen International.

Now I love EZY and use them a lot, but just like Ryanair and less so Norwegian, they’re not a feeder. They’re point to point, and while Gatwick Connects make half decent claims about connecting on EZY, they remain a p2p animal. Likewise Ryanair, they talk the talk but neither really walks the walk.

Unless JetBlue are massively cheaper, what’s the advantage in US-STN-xyz on a loco connection versus Norwegian or a legacy?
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:39 pm

skipness1E wrote:
easyJet are U2 or EZY. Never EZ. That was Euroair and latterly Evergreen International.

Now I love EZY and use them a lot, but just like Ryanair and less so Norwegian, they’re not a feeder. They’re point to point, and while Gatwick Connects make half decent claims about connecting on EZY, they remain a p2p animal. Likewise Ryanair, they talk the talk but neither really walks the walk.

Unless JetBlue are massively cheaper, what’s the advantage in US-STN-xyz on a loco connection versus Norwegian or a legacy?


B6 wouldn't be focused on US-LON-XYZ. They would be focused on O&D which is plentiful out of NYC and BOS and some XYZ-JFK/BOS-LON.

And they've said numerous times that they are looking into regulatory bodies to get LHR slots. Based on recent rumours, we will get an update in a month to see if they are success in getting any remedial slots. And if they are flying into LHR, they really don't need connection on london side.
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:40 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Did I ever mention flying in 3 months?

“Summer 2019”

When’s that?
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:45 pm

Hey thats what they say not me
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:53 pm

tphuang wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
easyJet are U2 or EZY. Never EZ. That was Euroair and latterly Evergreen International.

Now I love EZY and use them a lot, but just like Ryanair and less so Norwegian, they’re not a feeder. They’re point to point, and while Gatwick Connects make half decent claims about connecting on EZY, they remain a p2p animal. Likewise Ryanair, they talk the talk but neither really walks the walk.

Unless JetBlue are massively cheaper, what’s the advantage in US-STN-xyz on a loco connection versus Norwegian or a legacy?


B6 wouldn't be focused on US-LON-XYZ. They would be focused on O&D which is plentiful out of NYC and BOS and some XYZ-JFK/BOS-LON.

And they've said numerous times that they are looking into regulatory bodies to get LHR slots. Based on recent rumours, we will get an update in a month to see if they are success in getting any remedial slots. And if they are flying into LHR, they really don't need connection on london side.

Good point, I agree, a good B6 p2p offering would do well in this market I think, but LHR 1-2 daily would be a good start. Doesn’t have to be multiple JFKs on day one IMHO.
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:58 pm

CAAC applications:
- Juneyao Airlines - Shanghai Pudong-London - 3x weekly - July 2019
- Air China - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - October 2019
- China Eastern - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly (additional) - October 2019
- Shanghai Airlines - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - October 2019
- China Southern - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - March 2020

- China Southern - Guangzhou-Zhengzhou-London - 3x weekly - June 2019 (replaces April 2019 CGO-LON application)
- China Eastern - Kunming-London - 7x weekly - October 2019
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:08 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
CAAC applications:
- Juneyao Airlines - Shanghai Pudong-London - 3x weekly - July 2019
- Air China - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - October 2019
- China Eastern - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly (additional) - October 2019
- Shanghai Airlines - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - October 2019
- China Southern - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - March 2020

- China Southern - Guangzhou-Zhengzhou-London - 3x weekly - June 2019 (replaces April 2019 CGO-LON application)
- China Eastern - Kunming-London - 7x weekly - October 2019


As a Chinese, I would like to clarify that these are only applications approval from CAAC, and is not the official release of availability. It is anticipated that at least some of the flights for PVG-LHR will NOT be commenced.
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:15 pm

B1168 wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
CAAC applications:
- Juneyao Airlines - Shanghai Pudong-London - 3x weekly - July 2019
- Air China - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - October 2019
- China Eastern - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly (additional) - October 2019
- Shanghai Airlines - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - October 2019
- China Southern - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - March 2020

- China Southern - Guangzhou-Zhengzhou-London - 3x weekly - June 2019 (replaces April 2019 CGO-LON application)
- China Eastern - Kunming-London - 7x weekly - October 2019


As a Chinese, I would like to clarify that these are only applications approval from CAAC, and is not the official release of availability. It is anticipated that at least some of the flights for PVG-LHR will NOT be commenced.


I did specify they were applications. Under the current CAAC policy, MU could double their existing offering (7 weekly today, so 7 additional), and one other airline could operate 7 weekly flights - meaning Air China, China Southern, Juneyao Airlines and Shanghai Airlines bidding for the second allocation. I do hope however the Zhengzhou and Kunming applications do come into fruition, and help to connect more Chinese secondary cities with London.


Also in the press, Guiyang airport are working with airlines to launch a new London route this year - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201903/1 ... ee106.html

More information is available on my twitter - SeanM1997 ;)
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:33 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
CAAC applications:
- Juneyao Airlines - Shanghai Pudong-London - 3x weekly - July 2019
- Air China - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - October 2019
- China Eastern - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly (additional) - October 2019
- Shanghai Airlines - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - October 2019
- China Southern - Shanghai Pudong-London - 7x weekly - March 2020

- China Southern - Guangzhou-Zhengzhou-London - 3x weekly - June 2019 (replaces April 2019 CGO-LON application)
- China Eastern - Kunming-London - 7x weekly - October 2019


As a Chinese, I would like to clarify that these are only applications approval from CAAC, and is not the official release of availability. It is anticipated that at least some of the flights for PVG-LHR will NOT be commenced.


I did specify they were applications. Under the current CAAC policy, MU could double their existing offering (7 weekly today, so 7 additional), and one other airline could operate 7 weekly flights - meaning Air China, China Southern, Juneyao Airlines and Shanghai Airlines bidding for the second allocation. I do hope however the Zhengzhou and Kunming applications do come into fruition, and help to connect more Chinese secondary cities with London.


Also in the press, Guiyang airport are working with airlines to launch a new London route this year - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201903/1 ... ee106.html

More information is available on my twitter - SeanM1997 ;)


Well, Guitang just got service to CDG, I suppose that being slightly excessive.
Which is also why nearly no country (excluding Australia) dare to open sky with Chinese—they are good at making routes work.
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:37 pm

Well, Guitang just got service to CDG, I suppose that being slightly excessive.
Which is also why nearly no country (excluding Australia) dare to open sky with Chinese—they are good at making routes work.


Guiyang will only get 1 weekly to CDG. Not much of a service to London. Hainan have a limited presence in London, just 3 weekly flights to Changsha. They could do with expanding their presence - especially as Hainan have four destinations from CDG
 
 
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Re: London Heathrow (LHR) 2019 New Routes

Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:37 am

Well if you include Beijing Capital Airlines and Tianjin Airlines which are both subsidiaries of the HNA Group and Hainan Airways they have more of a presence at LHR than just Changsha.

Beijing Capital Airlines...Qingdao
Hainan Airways...Changsha
Tianjin Airlines...Chongqing, Tianjin, Xian

Although granted with limited frequencies the HNA Group do have a very limited presence at LHR.

In regards to Tianjin Airlines I wonder how much they have gained by moving their flights from LGW to LHR as frequencies haven't increased.

With all theses new Chinese destinations and airlines all flying to the likes of CDG and LHR the bubble is sure to burst at some point.

Regardless of the population and the increase of the middle classes in China that are able to travel overseas I can't see how this recent expansion into CDG and LHR by these Chinese airlines be justified despite the subsidies they get from flying those routes.
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