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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:40 am

AA has been a joke since the merger. I’m in DFW and avoid AA at all cost. I take WN from DAL for regional flights to IAH and SAT, DL to ATL and LGA, and just started UA to ORD as AA status doesn’t mean squat unless you fly 250k miles a year.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:54 pm

Are the A319s with sharklets American's own metal or did those come from US?
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:42 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Are the A319s with sharklets American's own metal or did those come from US?


Those are LAA metal.
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:08 am

chepos wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Are the A319s with sharklets American's own metal or did those come from US?


Those are LAA metal.

That's what I thought. I noticed some posters on here were identifying A319 routes out of DFW and MIA and incorrectly citing them as examples of fleet integration.
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:37 pm

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There are remarkable differences between LUS and LAA fleets. Majority of LUS fleet is still bare bones; very spartan like going back to 1990s. I avoid booking flights operated by LUS planes.


You would rather be on an ancient LAA 767 than a comfortable LUS A321?

[photoid][/photoid]

I dislike the ancient 767, thank God (2) more will be out in January but the majority of LUS fleet doesn't even have powerports...sorry, they are bare bones. the 777s are pretty nice.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:20 pm

Finally had my first full PMAA crew working a PMUS A321. The purser referred to the plane as "Doug Parker's second favorite bucket of bolts" behind the MAX8. Fun atmosphere (probably because we made it out of CLT before the snow!) and it was finally nice to have a crew that liked working, unlike the "east" PMUS crews that sometimes work CLT-PHX.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:21 pm

The PHL LUS crews still can't seem to get over their old uniforms - still frequently see the old US embroidered aprons as well as the light blue US logo sweaters. There are so many different mix and match variations of the uniforms on a typical flight. Sure, new uniforms are coming eventually, but these are quick fixes that don't require waiting for the full set of new uniforms if management actually cared.

And the crew themselves are the same people that contributed US Airways's poor image of service - on a transcon they hole up in the galley after the service reading their magazines... on DL at least they use some of that downtime to walk the aisles with water or coffee between services. And they cannot seem to put their cell phones away - immediately after landing the FA's are often heads down in their phone instead of attempting to thank or say goodbye to deplaning passengers.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:09 pm

PRAirbus wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
PRAirbus wrote:
There are remarkable differences between LUS and LAA fleets. Majority of LUS fleet is still bare bones; very spartan like going back to 1990s. I avoid booking flights operated by LUS planes.


You would rather be on an ancient LAA 767 than a comfortable LUS A321?

[photoid][/photoid]

I dislike the ancient 767, thank God (2) more will be out in January but the majority of LUS fleet doesn't even have powerports...sorry, they are bare bones. the 777s are pretty nice.


I think that JFK will loose it soon, at the latest Summer of 2019. JFK-MAD and CDG will soon be 77E on AA's metal. The only route out of JFK that will still see the 767 will be JFK-MIA as PHL and MIA are the two remaining bases for the 767, PHL for TATL flights and MIA for domestic runs and flights to South America.
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Re: AA/US Airways merger (yes, that's right)

Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:31 pm

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PHLspecial wrote:

The A330-300 is staying until the end of 2020. The 787 might show up for the 2020 summer season because of the 5 retirements of the B767. The 777 only shows up to PHL whenever those pesky Cowboys come to town. I highly doubt PHL will see the from AA 777 in the near future.


The one route I expected 777's to switch over to LUS hubs was LHR from PHL & CLT just for commonality in LHR. Though they may be short on 777's overall so it wasn't as pressing.


Not to be picky, LHR-PHL/CLT is two routes. Also ORD will be 3x789 and 1x788 this summer.

AA could make LHR all 777, but what would happen to ORD? I would expect 787s in PHL / CLT (and MIA) some time in the future.


Yes realized it after I hit submit that it didn't make sense. Is ORD-LHR a 787 or 777? I'm sure it doesn't really matter to have the 2 routes on the 330's but I figured with BA not having 330's either you don't even benefit having a close partner being able to maintain parts, etc.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:58 pm

AA doesn’t make a distinction between LAA and LUS 319s. Eventually all the 321s will be the same sans winglets for the LUS 321.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:36 am

BWIAirport wrote:
chepos wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Are the A319s with sharklets American's own metal or did those come from US?


Those are LAA metal.

That's what I thought. I noticed some posters on here were identifying A319 routes out of DFW and MIA and incorrectly citing them as examples of fleet integration.


MIA has LAA and LUS A319s. The latter could be considered fleet integration.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:45 am

ATLFlyer1234 wrote:
The PHL LUS crews still can't seem to get over their old uniforms - still frequently see the old US embroidered aprons as well as the light blue US logo sweaters. There are so many different mix and match variations of the uniforms on a typical flight. Sure, new uniforms are coming eventually, but these are quick fixes that don't require waiting for the full set of new uniforms if management actually cared.

And the crew themselves are the same people that contributed US Airways's poor image of service - on a transcon they hole up in the galley after the service reading their magazines... on DL at least they use some of that downtime to walk the aisles with water or coffee between services. And they cannot seem to put their cell phones away - immediately after landing the FA's are often heads down in their phone instead of attempting to thank or say goodbye to deplaning passengers.


CLT is much the same. I can't stand seeing the US stuff all these years later. I rode an A330 to ATH this past summer and the US crews spent the whole time bitching about how much they hate AA and wish that the merger never happened.
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:24 am

ATLFlyer1234 wrote:
The PHL LUS crews still can't seem to get over their old uniforms - still frequently see the old US embroidered aprons as well as the light blue US logo sweaters. There are so many different mix and match variations of the uniforms on a typical flight. Sure, new uniforms are coming eventually, but these are quick fixes that don't require waiting for the full set of new uniforms if management actually cared.

And the crew themselves are the same people that contributed US Airways's poor image of service - on a transcon they hole up in the galley after the service reading their magazines... on DL at least they use some of that downtime to walk the aisles with water or coffee between services. And they cannot seem to put their cell phones away - immediately after landing the FA's are often heads down in their phone instead of attempting to thank or say goodbye to deplaning passengers.


My experience has been the opposite. LAA does have nicer narrowbody planes at the moment but I feel the LUS staff is generally happier and consistently follows the service manuals. I feel the LAA staff are very hit and miss. PHL and MIA are probably the worst bases but if I had to deal with aggressively rude Philadelphians and demanding South Floridians/Latin American elitists all day I would probably be a little jaded too.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:26 am

Miamiairport wrote:
AA doesn’t make a distinction between LAA and LUS 319s. Eventually all the 321s will be the same sans winglets for the LUS 321.


Thats not true, we certainly do make a distinction. There are three separate subfleets of 319s. The difference is in how they are operated and where but the interior configs are all the same.
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:48 am

I fly out of PHX to BDL, LAX, SAN, and a few others. I always buy F and have to say I always seem to get decent service on both LAA and LUS. I recently took an AA 787-9 LAX and SYD in Premium Econ and I have to say the crew in both directions were very good. They walked the isles pretty regularly and if you were awake asked if you needed anything. I can't complain.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:19 am

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In terms on integrating US Airways' horrendous customer service, poor on board product, toxic employees and "I don't care attitude," they successfully fully integrated.

Now that they are integrated, hopefully L-AA crew don’t “train” L-US crews how not to do predeparture drinks in F.
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:40 pm

alasizon wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
AA doesn’t make a distinction between LAA and LUS 319s. Eventually all the 321s will be the same sans winglets for the LUS 321.


Thats not true, we certainly do make a distinction. There are three separate subfleets of 319s. The difference is in how they are operated and where but the interior configs are all the same.


From a flyer prospective there's no differentiation. When booking a flight with a 321 the coding of 321 or 32B will indicate whether LUS or LAA, respectively, albeit that might change come day of flight. Moreover, with the modifications the differences will ultimately go away. On the other hand when booking a flight with a 319 there's no differentiation. For example, the 319 typically makes up TPA/MIA and then MIA/MSY, LAA routes with a LUS 319. (I do both flights a lot and it's almost always a LUS 319). The flight crews seem to be either DCA or MIA based.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:37 pm

The US narrow body planes feel like I'm flying Frontier, with a free can of coke. "Just tolerable" experiences.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:42 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
AA doesn’t make a distinction between LAA and LUS 319s. Eventually all the 321s will be the same sans winglets for the LUS 321.


Thats not true, we certainly do make a distinction. There are three separate subfleets of 319s. The difference is in how they are operated and where but the interior configs are all the same.


From a flyer prospective there's no differentiation. When booking a flight with a 321 the coding of 321 or 32B will indicate whether LUS or LAA, respectively, albeit that might change come day of flight. Moreover, with the modifications the differences will ultimately go away. On the other hand when booking a flight with a 319 there's no differentiation. For example, the 319 typically makes up TPA/MIA and then MIA/MSY, LAA routes with a LUS 319. (I do both flights a lot and it's almost always a LUS 319). The flight crews seem to be either DCA or MIA based.


You can still tell by the flight number ranges whether you will be on LAA or LUS aircraft although that does not necessarily mean you will have an LAA or LUS crew anymore.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:14 pm

Couple weeks ago we had a MD-80 operate PHL to BDL. Very odd but I'm assuming a sub for an A319 or E190 that went tech.
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:59 pm

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Couple weeks ago we had a MD-80 operate PHL to BDL. Very odd but I'm assuming a sub for an A319 or E190 that went tech.


Wow that's pretty cool. Has that happened before where an S80 flies L-US routes because of an airplane going tech?
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:10 am

usflyer msp wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Thats not true, we certainly do make a distinction. There are three separate subfleets of 319s. The difference is in how they are operated and where but the interior configs are all the same.


From a flyer prospective there's no differentiation. When booking a flight with a 321 the coding of 321 or 32B will indicate whether LUS or LAA, respectively, albeit that might change come day of flight. Moreover, with the modifications the differences will ultimately go away. On the other hand when booking a flight with a 319 there's no differentiation. For example, the 319 typically makes up TPA/MIA and then MIA/MSY, LAA routes with a LUS 319. (I do both flights a lot and it's almost always a LUS 319). The flight crews seem to be either DCA or MIA based.


You can still tell by the flight number ranges whether you will be on LAA or LUS aircraft although that does not necessarily mean you will have an LAA or LUS crew anymore.


But when booking no difference is shown so you won’t know ahead of time.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:32 am

usflyer msp wrote:
You can still tell by the flight number ranges whether you will be on LAA or LUS aircraft although that does not necessarily mean you will have an LAA or LUS crew anymore.

Not anymore, post FOI (back in October), AA & US flight ops are confirmed for flight numbers as well. There are already a small handful of cross-over flight numbers.

Miamiairport wrote:
But when booking no difference is shown so you won’t know ahead of time.

You can actually, but is something super minor. On an LUS 319 seatmap, there are two closets shown forward of F/C. The LAA ones do not show it.
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:00 am

I think so far just the integration of IAM/TWU to go and maintenance procedures. Otherwise they are all one, operating under the America West operating certificate part 121, as America West Holding Company, using call sign "American"
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:42 am

N649DL wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Couple weeks ago we had a MD-80 operate PHL to BDL. Very odd but I'm assuming a sub for an A319 or E190 that went tech.


Wow that's pretty cool. Has that happened before where an S80 flies L-US routes because of an airplane going tech?


A few years back at the beginning of cross fleeting we had an S80 going RT from PHX to ONT for a short time.
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:06 am

alasizon wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
You can still tell by the flight number ranges whether you will be on LAA or LUS aircraft although that does not necessarily mean you will have an LAA or LUS crew anymore.

Not anymore, post FOI (back in October), AA & US flight ops are confirmed for flight numbers as well. There are already a small handful of cross-over flight numbers.

If you filter in all AA flights on FR24, you can clearly see that the L-AA and L-US aircraft still have their flight numbers segregated.

1-399: L-AA
400-899: L-US
900-1629: L-AA
1630-2193: L-US
2195-2830: L-AA

If it's planned to happen, then that's one thing. But it doesn't appear to be occurring yet.

The only time I have seen crossover numbers is when an equipment swap takes place.
 
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Re: AA/US Airways integration status

Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:34 am

N649DL wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Couple weeks ago we had a MD-80 operate PHL to BDL. Very odd but I'm assuming a sub for an A319 or E190 that went tech.


Wow that's pretty cool. Has that happened before where an S80 flies L-US routes because of an airplane going tech?

The S80s have been floating around the system plugging holes quite a bit over the past few weeks. They’re being spotted on many 319 routes. If I were to take a guess I’d think that AA is utilizing the S80 fleet more for the increased holiday traffic.
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