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Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:01 am

Boeing today announced the expected BBJ variants of the 777X. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-12-10 ... h-BBJ-777X

There are eye-popping range claims for both: 11645 nm for the 777-8 BBJ and 11000 nm for the 777-9 BBJ. As a reminder, half the distance around the world is roughly 10800 nm (depending on exactly what two antipodes you're connecting). And if you are flying between antipodes your still air distance is almost always shorter because you can choose the direction with the most favorable winds. So the upshot is that even in a heavier-than-average VIP configuration both BBJs can connect any two cities in the world.

Brazilian potentates with a burning desire to fly nonstop to Japan, put your orders in before it's too late.
 
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:28 am

Hey guys,
Interesting.... I wonder if this new information is related in any way to the QF Project Sunrise development program.
777X BBJs have been expected of course. Hopefully details about Boeing's Project Sunrise submission to QF will see the (ahem...) 'light of day' sometime in the new year... Though if Airbus is successful, I guess we may never know what Boeing had planned.
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:01 am

I'll take two please.
 
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:02 am

To be fair, Airbus has been offering more or less the same with its ACJ350 for nearly two (sales) years now.

The VIP A350 is based on the -ULR and comes standard with the "extra" tankage capability already programmed.
In typical configuration, it'll do 11,100nm (initial offering was 10,500nm, but seems like that was just a soft target).

https://www.acj.airbus.com/exclusive-pr ... 50xwb.html
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:17 am

LAX772LR wrote:
To be fair, Airbus has been offering more or less the same with its ACJ350 for nearly two (sales) years now.

The VIP A350 is based on the -ULR and comes standard with the "extra" tankage capability already programmed.
In typical configuration, it'll do 11,100nm (initial offering was 10,500nm, but seems like that was just a soft target).

https://www.acj.airbus.com/exclusive-pr ... 50xwb.html


Fair to say the ACJ350 and 777XBBJ's all offer exceptional performance for their would-be buyers.

Surprised though that Boeing would offer both models in this segment. Or will Airbus offer an A350-1000 ACJ?
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:23 am

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Or will Airbus offer an A350-1000 ACJ?

Don't see why they wouldn't, particularly if they go forward with offering an A350-1000ULR for scheduled ULH ops, as they're on the cusp of potentially doing it now.
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:27 am

I can almost feel the excitement over at the Palace at Ankara:)
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:47 am

seabosdca wrote:
Boeing today announced the expected BBJ variants of the 777X. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-12-10 ... h-BBJ-777X

There are eye-popping range claims for both: 11645 nm for the 777-8 BBJ and 11000 nm for the 777-9 BBJ. As a reminder, half the distance around the world is roughly 10800 nm (depending on exactly what two antipodes you're connecting). And if you are flying between antipodes your still air distance is almost always shorter because you can choose the direction with the most favorable winds. So the upshot is that even in a heavier-than-average VIP configuration both BBJs can connect any two cities in the world.

Brazilian potentates with a burning desire to fly nonstop to Japan, put your orders in before it's too late.


Can someone provide a link for the online configurator?Couldn't find it. I do not want to be late! And I am fighting with my wife: While I say that the 777-8 is enough, she wants some extra rooms for herself demanding the 777-9? And: Will it be cheaper on Amazon ala: Pay the -8 and get the -9 with the difference 50% off? Better wait for next saled day?


Ok. The plane is Amazing.

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Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:51 am

gokmengs wrote:
I can almost feel the excitement over at the Palace at Ankara:)


Wonder who will be the one to "gift" them a 777X BBJ.
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:20 am

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I'll take two please.


same size or a matching pair :-?
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:25 am

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gokmengs wrote:
I can almost feel the excitement over at the Palace at Ankara:)


Wonder who will be the one to "gift" them a 777X BBJ.

Is it a gift is it not a gift? They asked at the parliament no response yet. Such is the status of democracy in New Turkey. Sorry I got political, the 777X will be a fantastic VIP plane but I wonder who would replace their 777LR vip with it, is the improvement that much? Although with certain purchases its most often they upgrade because they can:)
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:05 pm

Flyglobal wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
Boeing today announced the expected BBJ variants of the 777X. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-12-10 ... h-BBJ-777X

There are eye-popping range claims for both: 11645 nm for the 777-8 BBJ and 11000 nm for the 777-9 BBJ. As a reminder, half the distance around the world is roughly 10800 nm (depending on exactly what two antipodes you're connecting). And if you are flying between antipodes your still air distance is almost always shorter because you can choose the direction with the most favorable winds. So the upshot is that even in a heavier-than-average VIP configuration both BBJs can connect any two cities in the world.

Brazilian potentates with a burning desire to fly nonstop to Japan, put your orders in before it's too late.


Can someone provide a link for the online configurator?Couldn't find it. I do not want to be late! And I am fighting with my wife: While I say that the 777-8 is enough, she wants some extra rooms for herself demanding the 777-9? And: Will it be cheaper on Amazon ala: Pay the -8 and get the -9 with the difference 50% off? Better wait for next saled day?


Ok. The plane is Amazing.

Flyglobal


PS: just checked bank account. Seems I mixed up some . and , in my account statement.


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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:14 pm

Well you need more range if your country get blocked but that's still a niche and I don't think Israel/Qatar/Ukraine/etc will buy them anytime soon...
Maybe British government will want one so that they can fly to rest of the world without being allowed to pass through Eurocontrol?
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:22 pm

I'll take a 777-9 BBJ
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:40 pm

Would LHR-AKL be the longest possible route ?
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:48 pm

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Would LHR-AKL be the longest possible route ?


AKL-LHR would be 9.910nm

SIN-UIO would be the longest flight between two capitals with 10.655nm

Halfway around the globe would be 10.815nm along the equator.

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Is there intelligent speculation as to the required runway for the 777X? As long as the -9 is I feel like it's going to need more runway than the 77W. The reason I ask this in this thread is because it could restrict the possible base airports of the private owners of the 777X BBJ to major international airports.
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:54 pm

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Is there intelligent speculation as to the required runway for the 777X? As long as the -9 is I feel like it's going to need more runway than the 77W. The reason I ask this in this thread is because it could restrict the possible base airports of the private owners of the 777X BBJ to major international airports.

Well its a big plane after all, so being a 777 already limited the airports, to begin with
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:05 pm

MoonC wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
I can almost feel the excitement over at the Palace at Ankara:)


Wonder who will be the one to "gift" them a 777X BBJ.



Lets speculate; a trip will be planned to new zealand, unfortunately mighty 747 cant do flight because of payload restriction. Than here comes new plane :lol:
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:08 pm

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The reason I ask this in this thread is because it could restrict the possible base airports of the private owners of the 777X BBJ to major international airports.


Courchevel would be a challenge (but I'd pay $10,000 to watch someone try).
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:22 pm

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Is there intelligent speculation as to the required runway for the 777X? As long as the -9 is I feel like it's going to need more runway than the 77W. The reason I ask this in this thread is because it could restrict the possible base airports of the private owners of the 777X BBJ to major international airports.


I doubt it will require more runway. Same MTOW, a significantly larger wing and marginally less power. The ME3 would have thrown a fit if it did, as the 77W does get RTOW restrictions on some of the hottest days on ULR missions.

I'd expect an improvement in runway performance.
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:47 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Is there intelligent speculation as to the required runway for the 777X? As long as the -9 is I feel like it's going to need more runway than the 77W. The reason I ask this in this thread is because it could restrict the possible base airports of the private owners of the 777X BBJ to major international airports.


I don’t see it being any more restricted than the normal 777 already is. Plus, with this much excess performance and capability it’s probably going to be quite the sporty performer on more typical, shorter flights.

I would be curious what’s the maximum landing weight is. I’m sure there are plenty of operators, especially heads of state, who for cost or security reasons, would like having the capability to tanker fuel instead of refueling overseas.
 
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I would be curious what’s the maximum landing weight is. I’m sure there are plenty of operators, especially heads of state, who for cost or security reasons, would like having the capability to tanker fuel instead of refueling overseas.


MLW 266.258kg

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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:05 pm

I think the longest route between cities that people who own these things would typically visit is GRU-NRT at 9984 nm.

Realistically essentially all of the owners are in the Middle East, where 10000+ nm lands you in the middle of the South Pacific, and so I doubt one of these will ever fly farther than about 8000 nm.
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:22 pm

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I'll take a 777-9 BBJ

After me.

Wow.. the configuration possibilities. :)

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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:31 pm

According to the Boeing website It has the same Fuel capacity as 778/779 - 197,977 l - Does the range make sense based on that fuel volume without extra tanks in the belly?
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:51 pm

In a relatively lightweight configuration, yes. Drop maybe 100 nm of range for every tonne of additional weight used for gold-plated ceilings, crystal chandeliers, marble tabletops, and additional water storage for hour-long hot showers.
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:45 pm

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Realistically essentially all of the owners are in the Middle East, where 10000+ nm lands you in the middle of the South Pacific, and so I doubt one of these will ever fly farther than about 8000 nm.


http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=11000NM%40 ... 0AUH&DU=nm

Can we now see these rich potentates trading-in their newly-outfitted 748s for the next shiny new toy or just ordering the smaller 778BBJ to complement their existing rides...as a nod to their subjects who "question" their frivolous extravagance :?: :cloudnine:
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:54 pm

Nice idea, but it lacks the ramp appeal of a quad. Give me a 748 or a 345....
 
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I want mine in sky blue with seats made from baby seal leather. Oh....and one for the wife as well.
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Nice idea, but it lacks the ramp appeal of a quad. Give me a 748 or a 345....


Right up till the point it parks next to a 345 and then raises its wingtips. At that point the 345 (or 748) loses the appeal contest with a 1-2 combination jab-uppercut. End of..
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:18 pm

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seabosdca wrote:
Realistically essentially all of the owners are in the Middle East, where 10000+ nm lands you in the middle of the South Pacific, and so I doubt one of these will ever fly farther than about 8000 nm.


http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=11000NM%40 ... 0AUH&DU=nm

Can we now see these rich potentates trading-in their newly-outfitted 748s for the next shiny new toy or just ordering the smaller 778BBJ to complement their existing rides...as a nod to their subjects who "question" their frivolous extravagance :?: :cloudnine:


A crusty engineer once told me about having to resize baggage compartment structure to handle unspecified cargo of a given weight and dimension. Knowing who the customer was, he backed out the math to discover the density was remarkably close to gold bullion. They also retro fitted all doors with gold handles. Desks/tables/counters were covered in thin marble veneers. There were other exotic upgrades as well. Mahogany used everywhere etc.

My point? The advertised range is all well and good, but as you noted, the primary users of these aircraft don't need that range, and they won't have that range anyways after eating into their payload numbers with all the finer trimmings.
 
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:34 pm

Still not enough range to do AKL-MAD (assuming you can't overfly Antarctica)...

Edit: nevermind, it does have enough range to do AKL-MAD via northern hemisphere. Forgot to change my GCmap setting to nautical miles
 
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Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:39 pm

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Still not enough range to do AKL-MAD (assuming you can't overfly Antarctica)...


Why not? It's 10580 nm. With a route of that length you can fly any direction you want and the distance won't be that different. I expect the route with the best winds would probably overfly the western US and eastern Canada, for a distance of ~10700 nm that should have tailwinds almost the whole way.
 
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I'm torn...I'd prefer the larger space of the 9, but only the 8 can make the PHL-PER run for those times when I need to visit Margaret River to restock on wine. Is getting both a reasonable alternative?
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I'm torn...I'd prefer the larger space of the 9, but only the 8 can make the PHL-PER run for those times when I need to visit Margaret River to restock on wine. Is getting both a reasonable alternative?
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=phl-per&R=11000NM%40phl%0d%0a11645NM%40phl&DU=nm

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Boeing today announced the expected BBJ variants of the 777X. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-12-10 ... h-BBJ-777X

There are eye-popping range claims for both: 11645 nm for the 777-8 BBJ and 11000 nm for the 777-9 BBJ. As a reminder, half the distance around the world is roughly 10800 nm (depending on exactly what two antipodes you're connecting). And if you are flying between antipodes your still air distance is almost always shorter because you can choose the direction with the most favorable winds. So the upshot is that even in a heavier-than-average VIP configuration both BBJs can connect any two cities in the world.

Brazilian potentates with a burning desire to fly nonstop to Japan, put your orders in before it's too late.


Two questions:

1) Suppose I'm interested. When might I be able to get it delivered?

2) Do you think Boeing will take a lightly used BBJ747-8 in full trade? I already payed them once!
 
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seabosdca wrote:
Boeing today announced the expected BBJ variants of the 777X. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-12-10 ... h-BBJ-777X

There are eye-popping range claims for both: 11645 nm for the 777-8 BBJ and 11000 nm for the 777-9 BBJ. As a reminder, half the distance around the world is roughly 10800 nm (depending on exactly what two antipodes you're connecting). And if you are flying between antipodes your still air distance is almost always shorter because you can choose the direction with the most favorable winds. So the upshot is that even in a heavier-than-average VIP configuration both BBJs can connect any two cities in the world.

Brazilian potentates with a burning desire to fly nonstop to Japan, put your orders in before it's too late.


Dang. My partner has an ACJ A350 on order. Are there any real advantages for this? The Airbus already fit our king sized bed, and another for the pets.

Seriously, is it faster, better runway performance, quieter, anything. The A350 already has a down payment.
 
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Dang. My partner has an ACJ A350 on order. Are there any real advantages for this? The Airbus already fit our king sized bed, and another for the pets.


As a tall solo sleeper, I prefer a California King, myself, and like to have the headboard against the window belt for the natural light when I read. So the wider 777X cabin comes in handy. :silly:
 
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Dang. My partner has an ACJ A350 on order. Are there any real advantages for this? The Airbus already fit our king sized bed, and another for the pets.

Seriously, is it faster, better runway performance, quieter, anything. The A350 already has a down payment.


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I'm torn...I'd prefer the larger space of the 9, but only the 8 can make the PHL-PER run for those times when I need to visit Margaret River to restock on wine. Is getting both a reasonable alternative?
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=phl-per&R=11000NM%40phl%0d%0a11645NM%40phl&DU=nm

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Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:18 am

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kitplane01 wrote:
Dang. My partner has an ACJ A350 on order. Are there any real advantages for this? The Airbus already fit our king sized bed, and another for the pets.

Seriously, is it faster, better runway performance, quieter, anything. The A350 already has a down payment.


When you gotta have the biggest, you gotta have the biggest. (I'm speaking of turbofan engines, of course.)


Thats why my wife ruled out the ACJ 350, she prefers the larger diameter tube of the 777 for the A350. The larger fan blades motivate additionally stimulative.

No way to keep the ACJ350 order now.


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Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:28 pm

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Boeing today announced the expected BBJ variants of the 777X. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-12-10 ... h-BBJ-777X

There are eye-popping range claims for both: 11645 nm for the 777-8 BBJ and 11000 nm for the 777-9 BBJ. As a reminder, half the distance around the world is roughly 10800 nm (depending on exactly what two antipodes you're connecting). And if you are flying between antipodes your still air distance is almost always shorter because you can choose the direction with the most favorable winds. So the upshot is that even in a heavier-than-average VIP configuration both BBJs can connect any two cities in the world.

Brazilian potentates with a burning desire to fly nonstop to Japan, put your orders in before it's too late.


This is going to kill the 747-8 BBJ market.
 
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This is going to kill the 747-8 BBJ market.


That market was likely already dead, hence launch the 777X VIP.
 
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:35 pm

2 747-8 BBJs now for sale plus Boeing's test plane (LN 1435) that can likely only ever be sold as a BBJ mean that there is plenty of 748 BBJ supply already in the market for the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:36 pm

Can I get one with a loading ramp so I can drive my Ferrari on board? I hate to arrive in my 777x and then have to go to the Hertz desk. I also need a small patch of grass for my dog. I don't think she can hold it for 18 hours or whatever the max duration flight is.
 
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 am

LH707330 wrote:
Nice idea, but it lacks the ramp appeal of a quad.

Says who? Wouldn't even piss in an A345, compared to the opportunity to be in one of these...


kitplane01 wrote:
This is going to kill the 747-8 BBJ market.

Fitting, seeing as 777X will kill pax 748s in just about every other aspect too. ;)
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:52 am

morrisond wrote:
According to the Boeing website It has the same Fuel capacity as 778/779 - 197,977 l - Does the range make sense based on that fuel volume without extra tanks in the belly?

I would have expected the aircraft to have extra belly tanks.

The 777-200LR can fly 10,500nm with just over 200,000litres of fuel with 3 aux tanks and zero payload.

Add 50,000lb of luxury cabin fitout and passengers and the 777LR range drops to 9,500nm.

11,645nm seems too high for 197,977litres. That means the fuel burn is more than 20% less than the 777-200LR.
 
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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:07 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Or will Airbus offer an A350-1000 ACJ?

Don't see why they wouldn't, particularly if they go forward with offering an A350-1000ULR for scheduled ULH ops, as they're on the cusp of potentially doing it now.


The link you posted also has the specs for an A350-1000ACJ

It shows the range as 18 240km (or 9 850nm) as opposed to 20 550km for the A350-900ACJ.
Interestingly though, the spec fuel capacity for the -1000ACJ is the same 156 000l as the cooking A350-1000, whilst the fuel capacity of the A350-900ACJ is the 165 000l developed for the A350-900ULR

Don't see why they couldn't up that to the A350-900ULR's 165 000l which would then give the A350-1000ACJ a range of about 10 400Nm

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Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:30 pm

I would go for an A350-1000LR ACJ if offered, as when you are hitting 18-20 hour flight times you will really notice the lower cabin alt/higher humidity that the composite frame brings.

I presume Boeing won’t find a way to do that in the aluminium tube, but if they do they can take my money!

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