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Middle East Airlines Orders 4 x A330-900Neo's

Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:44 pm

Middle East Airlines - Air Liban on December 12th, 2018 The Chairman Mr El Hout will be signing a contract for the new wide-body planes orders to be the Airbus A330-900Neo powered by Rolls-Royce plc engines.
The signature ceremony will take place during Lebanon-UK Business & Investment Forum 2018 that will be attended by HE Saad Hariri, Prime Minister of Lebanon accompanied by a high profile delegation, culminating in a business and investment forum aimed at fostering and developing the bilateral relationship between Lebanon and the United Kingdom.
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:02 pm

A330-900 seems larger and more range then MEA needs. Are JFK, GRU, Tokyo or Hong Kong on their horizon ?
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:07 pm

The A330-900 fits neatly into the MEA fleet. About the same range as the A330-200, more passengers and less fuel burn.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:08 pm

Waelalqutub wrote:
Middle East Airlines - Air Liban on December 12th, 2018 The Chairman Mr El Hout will be signing a contract for the new wide-body planes orders to be the Airbus A330-900Neo powered by Rolls-Royce plc engines.
The signature ceremony will take place during Lebanon-UK Business & Investment Forum 2018 that will be attended by HE Saad Hariri, Prime Minister of Lebanon accompanied by a high profile delegation, culminating in a business and investment forum aimed at fostering and developing the bilateral relationship between Lebanon and the United Kingdom.


Do you have a source?
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:16 pm

They firm now the 4 commitments from October?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... eo-452983/
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:27 pm

Here's the thread from October about this:

viewtopic.php?t=1407033
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:14 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
Waelalqutub wrote:
Middle East Airlines - Air Liban on December 12th, 2018 The Chairman Mr El Hout will be signing a contract for the new wide-body planes orders to be the Airbus A330-900Neo powered by Rolls-Royce plc engines.
The signature ceremony will take place during Lebanon-UK Business & Investment Forum 2018 that will be attended by HE Saad Hariri, Prime Minister of Lebanon accompanied by a high profile delegation, culminating in a business and investment forum aimed at fostering and developing the bilateral relationship between Lebanon and the United Kingdom.


Do you have a source?

the official source will be out tomorrow 12th December as I mentioned that the chairman of MEA will sign papers while he makes his visit to London
I will keep you up to date.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:19 pm

BA wrote:
Here's the thread from October about this:

viewtopic.php?t=1407033

That's correct, they mentioned the order however tomorrow 12 December is the day the Chairman Mr EL Hout visits London to Sign Contract with Rolls Royce officially making an Order for the Engine option Trent 7000 if you read my post clearly mentioned this
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:34 am

jfk777 wrote:
A330-900 seems larger and more range then MEA needs. Are JFK, GRU, Tokyo or Hong Kong on their horizon ?

Just because the plane has long range doesn’t mean it can only operate 10h flights. Many A330-200s, 777-300ERs etc do medium haul or even short haul. And btw MEA do have a handful of long range flights, their trips to west Africa — Lagos, Accra, Dakar (not sure on that last one) are in the 8h ballpark.
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:02 am

cedarjet wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
A330-900 seems larger and more range then MEA needs. Are JFK, GRU, Tokyo or Hong Kong on their horizon ?

Just because the plane has long range doesn’t mean it can only operate 10h flights. Many A330-200s, 777-300ERs etc do medium haul or even short haul. And btw MEA do have a handful of long range flights, their trips to west Africa — Lagos, Accra, Dakar (not sure on that last one) are in the 8h ballpark.


Abidjan, not Dakar. And they are considering Abuja.
They also utilise widebody for flights to slot restricted airports like IST, DXB, FRA, LHR. Also on some flights to Saudi. Peak periods to GVA, BRU, Even LCA and CAI. They need larger capacity for many short and medium haul destinations.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:05 am

their double daily to CDG are also operated by their A330-200s.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:26 am

Order is now confirmed for 4 A330-900's

https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/12/1 ... s-a330neo/
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:02 pm

Boeing was probably not interested in getting just a handful 787 on order. From 5 A332 to 4 A339, this probably ends-up with the same capacity but less flexibility? I guess MEA will keep the most recent A332 (OD-MEE) in parallel of the A330
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:11 pm

GoMEA wrote:
Boeing was probably not interested in getting just a handful 787 on order. From 5 A332 to 4 A339, this probably ends-up with the same capacity but less flexibility? I guess MEA will keep the most recent A332 (OD-MEE) in parallel of the A330


In the previous thread it was already said they will keep some of the A330ceo's and ofcourse they also get 11 A321neo's. So capacity will increase.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:14 pm

GoMEA wrote:
Boeing was probably not interested in getting just a handful 787 on order.


Whereas they pulled out all the stops for the HA order that was not much bigger?

This is an A330ceo replacement order that Airbus should have expected to (and did) pick up from a loyal customer. The 330neo will lift many more "handful" orders like this one IMO.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Orders 4 x A330-900Neo's

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:42 pm

Update**
Official source Pictures and contact signed with Rolls Royce for the Trent 7000 engines on the A330 neo

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https://www.facebook.com/MiddleEastAirlines.AirLiban/
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:51 pm

cedarjet wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
A330-900 seems larger and more range then MEA needs. Are JFK, GRU, Tokyo or Hong Kong on their horizon ?

Just because the plane has long range doesn’t mean it can only operate 10h flights. Many A330-200s, 777-300ERs etc do medium haul or even short haul. And btw MEA do have a handful of long range flights, their trips to west Africa — Lagos, Accra, Dakar (not sure on that last one) are in the 8h ballpark.


I don't know that I'd consider west Africa from BEY a long haul flight that needs a long range widebody. While it's 200ish miles further, TK flies IST-DKR and much of west Africa with 738/9 equipment.
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Re: Middle East Airlines Orders 4 x A330-900Neo's

Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:52 am

Currently MEA has 13 A320 and 5 A330, if these new aircrafts will replace the current fleet, they are 3 planes short. It seems that they are currently using all their aircrafts on a daily basis, how will they manage with a few less aircrafts?
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Orders 4 x A330-900Neo's

Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:16 am

olba wrote:
Currently MEA has 13 A320 and 5 A330, if these new aircrafts will replace the current fleet, they are 3 planes short. It seems that they are currently using all their aircrafts on a daily basis, how will they manage with a few less aircrafts?

Perhaps they are looking at increasing the daily utilisation of aircraft. Less time on ground, more time in the air?
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:54 am

GoMEA wrote:
Boeing was probably not interested in getting just a handful 787 on order. From 5 A332 to 4 A339, this probably ends-up with the same capacity but less flexibility? I guess MEA will keep the most recent A332 (OD-MEE) in parallel of the A330

I think Boeing shareholders won't be pleased if their company does not go out and fight for every order!

olba wrote:
Currently MEA has 13 A320 and 5 A330, if these new aircrafts will replace the current fleet, they are 3 planes short. It seems that they are currently using all their aircrafts on a daily basis, how will they manage with a few less aircrafts?

It would be naive to assume that the new planes will replace the old ones overnight - there will be some transition period before its fleet is renewed. Airlines are dynamic and route networks change from time to time. Also, don't discount the possibility of future orders.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:16 am

flee wrote:

olba wrote:
Currently MEA has 13 A320 and 5 A330, if these new aircrafts will replace the current fleet, they are 3 planes short. It seems that they are currently using all their aircrafts on a daily basis, how will they manage with a few less aircrafts?

It would be naive to assume that the new planes will replace the old ones overnight - there will be some transition period before its fleet is renewed. Airlines are dynamic and route networks change from time to time. Also, don't discount the possibility of future orders.


Correct, also why they have options for 2 more A330-900

In addition, more aircraft can be sourced through leasing if needed
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Orders 4 x A330-900Neo's

Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:06 am

In summer they also send the A330 to Larnaca. It's a pretty cool 25 minute flight! I think it's a pretty convenient way to utilize it on a short, evening rotation after it comes back from either London or Paris.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Orders 4 x A330-900Neo's

Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:56 am

The plan is to retire two 332s, OD-MEA and OD-MED, upon delivery of the new ones. OD-MEE has a ways to go still, but no clarity on what will happen with the remaining two older 332s. Even in the low season the 330s are packed on short haul flights. Aside from slot restricted airports, BEY itself has a gate problem in the high season, making added frequencies more difficult, so it makes sense that they are increasing capacity for both their wide and narrow body aircraft.

A lot of this growth is fueled by the fact that, with virtually no international flights to/from Syria, all of that traffic has been moved to BEY, which is a two hour drive from Damascus. No hint of that situation changing, I bet MEA are playing it safe and not over ordering, but they may very well add another two 339s to the order once deliveries kick in and if the traffic is still strong.
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Re: Middle East Airlines Orders 4 x A330-900Neo's

Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:25 am

FYI flight time Larnaca - Beirut is 40 minutes...
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Orders 4 x A330-900Neo's

Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:48 pm

RalXWB wrote:
FYI flight time Larnaca - Beirut is 40 minutes...


I've taken the flight a few times. It's only 40 minutes gate to gate but actual flying time is less.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Orders 4 x A330-900Neo's

Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:16 pm

RalXWB wrote:
FYI flight time Larnaca - Beirut is 40 minutes...


Block time is, actual flying time is much shorter. I flew once and we took off and landed in just 17 minutes.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:27 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
A330-900 seems larger and more range then MEA needs. Are JFK, GRU, Tokyo or Hong Kong on their horizon ?

Just because the plane has long range doesn’t mean it can only operate 10h flights. Many A330-200s, 777-300ERs etc do medium haul or even short haul. And btw MEA do have a handful of long range flights, their trips to west Africa — Lagos, Accra, Dakar (not sure on that last one) are in the 8h ballpark.


I don't know that I'd consider west Africa from BEY a long haul flight that needs a long range widebody. While it's 200ish miles further, TK flies IST-DKR and much of west Africa with 738/9 equipment.

They use their A332 due to demand on cargo. QR flies a weekly DOH-LOS-ACC-BEY-DOH cargo!
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:56 pm

soups wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Just because the plane has long range doesn’t mean it can only operate 10h flights. Many A330-200s, 777-300ERs etc do medium haul or even short haul. And btw MEA do have a handful of long range flights, their trips to west Africa — Lagos, Accra, Dakar (not sure on that last one) are in the 8h ballpark.


I don't know that I'd consider west Africa from BEY a long haul flight that needs a long range widebody. While it's 200ish miles further, TK flies IST-DKR and much of west Africa with 738/9 equipment.

They use their A332 due to demand on cargo. QR flies a weekly DOH-LOS-ACC-BEY-DOH cargo!


I did a few dummy bookings with TK from IST to western African destinations, most were on 737's.
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:32 am

EvanWSFO wrote:
soups wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:

I don't know that I'd consider west Africa from BEY a long haul flight that needs a long range widebody. While it's 200ish miles further, TK flies IST-DKR and much of west Africa with 738/9 equipment.

They use their A332 due to demand on cargo. QR flies a weekly DOH-LOS-ACC-BEY-DOH cargo!


I did a few dummy bookings with TK from IST to western African destinations, most were on 737's.


For this particular case I believe ME would be smart to split the three destinations into separate flights on A321s.
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:46 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
soups wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:

I don't know that I'd consider west Africa from BEY a long haul flight that needs a long range widebody. While it's 200ish miles further, TK flies IST-DKR and much of west Africa with 738/9 equipment.

They use their A332 due to demand on cargo. QR flies a weekly DOH-LOS-ACC-BEY-DOH cargo!


I did a few dummy bookings with TK from IST to western African destinations, most were on 737's.

Currently only LOS is operated by A332, Accra had a brief period with A332 but converted back 737. TK flies their Cargo A332 plane into Los and Acc.
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:50 pm

GoMEA wrote:
Boeing was probably not interested in getting just a handful 787 on order.......


If this is right; as a Boeing shareholder; i'd like to know the hell why not ......
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:42 pm

SelseyBill wrote:
GoMEA wrote:
Boeing was probably not interested in getting just a handful 787 on order.......


If this is right; as a Boeing shareholder; i'd like to know the hell why not ......


They were very interested. ME were actually pretty close to picking the 789 at some point, but ultimately went for the A339, claiming that the commonality with the A330 classic and the A321neo is very efficient for their operation.
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:06 am

SelseyBill wrote:
GoMEA wrote:
Boeing was probably not interested in getting just a handful 787 on order.......


If this is right; as a Boeing shareholder; i'd like to know the hell why not ......


If Being is to fight this deal, it may have to provide pilot conversion programme. It also had to compete with A321NEO which Boeing really does not have an answer yet. MEA would ask more for it to drop the A330 currently owned. The overall cost for the 4 long haul aircraft would make the deal loss making for Boeing.

Yes every order is worth fighting for. But there are times that an offer is bad for both the buyer and seller. Mutually both would walk away.
 
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Re: Middle East Airlines Air Liban Airbus A330-900Neo Orders

Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:26 am

chonetsao wrote:
SelseyBill wrote:
GoMEA wrote:
Boeing was probably not interested in getting just a handful 787 on order.......


If this is right; as a Boeing shareholder; i'd like to know the hell why not ......


If Being is to fight this deal, it may have to provide pilot conversion programme. It also had to compete with A321NEO which Boeing really does not have an answer yet. MEA would ask more for it to drop the A330 currently owned. The overall cost for the 4 long haul aircraft would make the deal loss making for Boeing.

Yes every order is worth fighting for. But there are times that an offer is bad for both the buyer and seller. Mutually both would walk away.

In short, you just can't win all orders. Airbus and Boeing need each other to keep each other honest.
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