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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:46 pm

If it is IAH-JNB, UA could always schedule a tech stop at MIA if needed. The great circle route posted above seems to go right over the city.
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:53 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
If it is IAH-JNB, UA could always schedule a tech stop at MIA if needed. The great circle route posted above seems to go right over the city.


If they did that, I don't know why they'd make it only a tech stop, as they'd have traffic rights on the whole route.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:56 pm

sand26391 wrote:
I would love to say BLR, but damm.... I feel BLR must be at the bottom of the list if they ever want to serve in the coming years or so.
Interesting thread though.. ! Good luck to UA :-)


With BLR, I think it's more of a technical consideration than financial. SFO-BLR would print money if it could be flown with the 789.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:58 pm

My bets are on IAH-CLO/MDE (remeber the JBA with Avianca) and JNB.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:02 pm

United1 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
United1 wrote:

Would be a -9... the -10 and -8 would not make it with any sort of acceptable payload.


Could the -9 do JNB-IAH though?


More than likely yes...there may be a weight penalty involved but its roughly the same distance as PER-LHR. Completely different part of the world so winds aloft ect will be different thought. Someone much smarter than me will need to give you a final answer on that.

due to how high JNB is, I can't imagine the 789 could do JNB-IAH with a meaningful payload.

the 77L has had some issues doing JNB-ATL and it has more range than the 789.


IMO if United goes to Jo'berg it'll be from EWR.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 pm

IPFreely wrote:
TrafficCop wrote:
What ever routes they are I’m sure 50% of A.ner will hate them..


And that 50% will create 95% of the posts.


Which says a lot about human nature - doesn't it? And it's not just at this site.
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 pm

rnav2dlrey wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
I would love to say BLR, but damm.... I feel BLR must be at the bottom of the list if they ever want to serve in the coming years or so.
Interesting thread though.. ! Good luck to UA :-)


With BLR, I think it's more of a technical consideration than financial. SFO-BLR would print money if it could be flown with the 789.

Nonesense. There's a reason why no U.S. carrier flies to India. The yields are trash. You can fly U.S. - india for $3,000 in J. I've done that twice now.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 pm

I'd say they adding an extra frequency to LHR . 8-) It's slot constrained af.

Other guess is Iran. For sure be historic. :duck:
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:04 pm

Agree with SunsetLimited, would love to see UA1/2 Around The World Service return. Definitely historic, as it would be the only Around The World route served by a US airline. Returning to Africa would also be historic, as that would put UA back in the 6 Continents club. There is an old Pan Am advertisement that I always loved, showing some penguins in Antarctica, with the caption "Pan Am can take you to every continent in the world, except one. Antarctica." What a great ad that would make for United.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:05 pm

airbazar wrote:
rnav2dlrey wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
I would love to say BLR, but damm.... I feel BLR must be at the bottom of the list if they ever want to serve in the coming years or so.
Interesting thread though.. ! Good luck to UA :-)


With BLR, I think it's more of a technical consideration than financial. SFO-BLR would print money if it could be flown with the 789.

Nonesense. There's a reason why no U.S. carrier flies to India. The yields are trash. You can fly U.S. - india for $3,000 in J. I've done that twice now.

uh United has at least two daily flights to India. EWR-DEL/BOM
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:06 pm

airbazar wrote:
Nonesense. There's a reason why no U.S. carrier flies to India. The yields are trash. You can fly U.S. - india for $3,000 in J. I've done that twice now.


No U.S. carrier flies to India??? Better tell that to UA who flies to both DEL & BOM n/s from EWR :roll:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL48

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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:07 pm

airbazar wrote:
Nonesense. There's a reason why no U.S. carrier flies to India.


When did United stop flying to India?
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:07 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Nonesense. There's a reason why no U.S. carrier flies to India. The yields are trash. You can fly U.S. - india for $3,000 in J. I've done that twice now.


No U.S. carrier flies to India??? Better tell that to UA who flies to both DEL & BOM n/s from EWR :roll:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL48

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL82


And didn't DL announce they are going back to India?
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:08 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
If it is IAH-JNB, UA could always schedule a tech stop at MIA if needed. The great circle route posted above seems to go right over the city.


No they can't. They'd have to remove all passengers and clear customs at MIA on the westbound.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:10 pm

khowaga wrote:
They could introduce a tech stop at ACC or LFW to tie into ET/ASKY's network there. Or tech stop at SID like South African did in the 80s.

We'll see soon!


Sure, but why would they want to? The market is clearly moving towards non-stops. That's where the revenue premium is, and that is what United are interested in. They're not a LCC.

Also, just because ET/ASKY have a lot of flights to LFW, it doesn't mean it's a network of sorts. It's a hodgepodge of low frequency, multi-stop flights without any coordinated connecting banks or structure.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:11 pm

GRJGeorge wrote:
evanb wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Mapping it out on GCMap... IAH-JNB clocks in at like 14 miles more than PER-LHR. That would mean UA would be operating the worlds longest 787 flight, no? (Assuming they use the 787)


Certainly can't make JNB-IAH non-stop given the altitude at JNB.


Will UA do triangular routings? IAH-JNB-CPT-IAH...?


They could, but what would be the business case. EWR makes a lot more sense than IAH unless UA believe there is a big O&D/regional premium at IAH.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:11 pm

LAXintl wrote:
JNB much more likely from IAH imo...

Same here....you already have SAA from an east coast gateway....
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:11 pm

jcwr56 wrote:
Somewhere they haven't flown
Somewhere they'll make money
Somewhere they have the right product to make it work...

All in a "Historic" context....Ok, there's not that many places on Earth left to fit that moniker...



An announcement at 12 p.m. on the 12th day of the 12th month = 12 international routes..?

Just "spit-balling" a few:
EWR or IAH-JNB
EWR-CAI
DEN-LHR year-round
More TLV..?

When the 787-10s replace the 777s in EWR, where are those aircraft going (to fly)?
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:12 pm

TWFlyGuy wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Nonesense. There's a reason why no U.S. carrier flies to India. The yields are trash. You can fly U.S. - india for $3,000 in J. I've done that twice now.


No U.S. carrier flies to India??? Better tell that to UA who flies to both DEL & BOM n/s from EWR :roll:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL48

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL82


And didn't DL announce they are going back to India?


They've announced their intentions to return to India n/s in 2019, but nothing definitive (dates, cities) announced yet.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:15 pm

Freshside3 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
JNB much more likely from IAH imo...

Same here....you already have SAA from an east coast gateway....


With that logic, then why not ORD? JNB-ORD is shorter than JNB-IAH.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:19 pm

evanb wrote:
khowaga wrote:
They could introduce a tech stop at ACC or LFW to tie into ET/ASKY's network there. Or tech stop at SID like South African did in the 80s.

We'll see soon!


Sure, but why would they want to? The market is clearly moving towards non-stops. That's where the revenue premium is, and that is what United are interested in. They're not a LCC.

Also, just because ET/ASKY have a lot of flights to LFW, it doesn't mean it's a network of sorts. It's a hodgepodge of low frequency, multi-stop flights without any coordinated connecting banks or structure.


I was responding to the comment that JNB-IAH would be hard to do nonstop because of the distance and JNB being a hot and high field. It’s not a “want to,” I was merely speculating where, if a refueling stop is needed, it might be best situation.

Not arguing that nonstop is definitely preferable.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:20 pm

evanb wrote:
Freshside3 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
JNB much more likely from IAH imo...

Same here....you already have SAA from an east coast gateway....


With that logic, then why not ORD? JNB-ORD is shorter than JNB-IAH.


1) The market is bigger
2) The market has higher fares thanks to Oil and Gas and mining traffic
3) Houston pulls roughly the same number of relevant connections.

ORD is shorter, but I definitely can see the case for IAH to South Africa over ORD-JNB. EWR/IAD is another story....
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:22 pm

khowaga wrote:
I was responding to the comment that JNB-IAH would be hard to do nonstop because of the distance and JNB being a hot and high field. It’s not a “want to,” I was merely speculating where, if a refueling stop is needed, it might be best situation.

Not arguing that nonstop is definitely preferable.


I don't disagree. I think stops have been used when there is strong O&D traffic between the points. SA prefer DDS and ACC because they can get 5th freedom rights and the O&D traffic is strong. They pick up very little connecting traffic in DDS and ACC. I couldn't imaging it would be any better for UA or through other points.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:24 pm

evanb wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
If it is IAH-JNB, UA could always schedule a tech stop at MIA if needed. The great circle route posted above seems to go right over the city.


No they can't. They'd have to remove all passengers and clear customs at MIA on the westbound.


Oh, didn't know that. Never mind on that then.
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:25 pm

sand26391 wrote:
I would love to say BLR, but damm.... I feel BLR must be at the bottom of the list if they ever want to serve in the coming years or so.
Interesting thread though.. ! Good luck to UA :-)


And fill a daily 789 with what? O&D is not enough, so Indigo interline/code share. While UA management may love the idea, pax won't be thrilled.
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:29 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
evanb wrote:
Freshside3 wrote:
Same here....you already have SAA from an east coast gateway....


With that logic, then why not ORD? JNB-ORD is shorter than JNB-IAH.


1) The market is bigger
2) The market has higher fares thanks to Oil and Gas and mining traffic
3) Houston pulls roughly the same number of relevant connections.

ORD is shorter, but I definitely can see the case for IAH to South Africa over ORD-JNB. EWR/IAD is another story....


And you base this on speculation.

1) By what measure? Chicago is a bigger city, ORD is a bigger airport and a bigger hub for UA.
2) South Africa, and even Southern Africa has no significant oil and gas or mining links with Houston. Only Angola does, which is a big backtrack from JNB and the least integrated of any Southern African country with South Africa. Mining is really struggling in South Africa and the linkages are not with the US in general. There are strong business links between South Africa and the US, but not really in mining.
3) Sam number, but not as efficiently from JNB as ORD or EWR.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:33 pm

evanb wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
evanb wrote:

With that logic, then why not ORD? JNB-ORD is shorter than JNB-IAH.


1) The market is bigger
2) The market has higher fares thanks to Oil and Gas and mining traffic
3) Houston pulls roughly the same number of relevant connections.

ORD is shorter, but I definitely can see the case for IAH to South Africa over ORD-JNB. EWR/IAD is another story....


And you base this on speculation.

1) By what measure? Chicago is a bigger city, ORD is a bigger airport and a bigger hub for UA.
2) South Africa, and even Southern Africa has no significant oil and gas or mining links with Houston. Only Angola does, which is a big backtrack from JNB and the least integrated of any Southern African country with South Africa. Mining is really struggling in South Africa and the linkages are not with the US in general. There are strong business links between South Africa and the US, but not really in mining.
3) Sam number, but not as efficiently from JNB as ORD or EWR.


1) Im talking about O&D. I dont care which city is bigger.
2) That is completely incorrect.
3) Yes, thats true.

I dont know that UA will fly this route, but points one and two have to be clarified.
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:39 pm

evanb wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
evanb wrote:

With that logic, then why not ORD? JNB-ORD is shorter than JNB-IAH.


1) The market is bigger
2) The market has higher fares thanks to Oil and Gas and mining traffic
3) Houston pulls roughly the same number of relevant connections.

ORD is shorter, but I definitely can see the case for IAH to South Africa over ORD-JNB. EWR/IAD is another story....


And you base this on speculation.

1) By what measure? Chicago is a bigger city, ORD is a bigger airport and a bigger hub for UA.
2) South Africa, and even Southern Africa has no significant oil and gas or mining links with Houston. Only Angola does, which is a big backtrack from JNB and the least integrated of any Southern African country with South Africa. Mining is really struggling in South Africa and the linkages are not with the US in general. There are strong business links between South Africa and the US, but not really in mining.
3) Sam number, but not as efficiently from JNB as ORD or EWR.


What exactly do you mean when you say "not as efficiently"? It seems that the efficiency of connections would depend entirely on where you're going. Or are you just referring to the fact that more relevant/bigger population centers are closer to EWR and ORD than they are to IAH?
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:40 pm

My bet is they are going to do SFO-India and it will be an around-the-world-flight like Air India SFO-DEL which would be "historic" for United.

I also expect EWR/IAD to get some love.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:42 pm

My own 0.02 to this....and I would agree with some of the things previously said.....

One thing not mentioned is SFO-LIS......TAP hub......large Portuguese population in California.......and TP recently added ORD/IAD..........sounds like a perfect fit!
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:46 pm

I am expecting that DEN will get some love too!!! :wave:

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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:48 pm

With Oscar announcing this "historic package" of routes himself, I think it means one thing: More banks at IAD w/ a lot more intl. Destinations.
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:48 pm

JNB is only about 100 ft higher than DIA. So UA should be quite familiar with that type of terrain for 789s.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:49 pm

evanb wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
If it is IAH-JNB, UA could always schedule a tech stop at MIA if needed. The great circle route posted above seems to go right over the city.


No they can't. They'd have to remove all passengers and clear customs at MIA on the westbound.


Are you sure about that? I was once on an AA flight GRU-JFK that diverted to PHL due to weather (made a pass to land at JFK but were short on gas so diverted to an alternate). We just waited on the ground inside the plane for an hour or so for weather at JFK to clear up and then fueled up the plane a bit and went on our way, and only cleared customs at JFK, not PHL.

Granted if it was a scheduled fuel stop I imagine things would be different, but for unscheduled ones, in days headwinds are particularly strong, perhaps not.
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:49 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
1) Im talking about O&D. I dont care which city is bigger.
2) That is completely incorrect.
3) Yes, thats true.

I dont know that UA will fly this route, but points one and two have to be clarified.


I don't think IAH has bigger O&D than ORD to South Africa, but even then, it may be a lot of South African immigrant VFR traffic which is not the traffic UA will care about.

What is completely incorrect about 2?
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:50 pm

Why not CPT rather than JNB? I hear it is meant to be much nicer of tourist spot and can sustain a fair bit of long haul in/outbound on its own.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:51 pm

YoungDon wrote:
What exactly do you mean when you say "not as efficiently"? It seems that the efficiency of connections would depend entirely on where you're going. Or are you just referring to the fact that more relevant/bigger population centers are closer to EWR and ORD than they are to IAH?


Hubs further east are just more efficient from JNB since there will be less backtracking. Granted, the ORD advantage over IAH here isn't big. It's why I still think EWR is more likely. But also your second point, ORD is just closer to the east coast than IAH.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:52 pm

Freshside3 wrote:
My own 0.02 to this....and I would agree with some of the things previously said.....

One thing not mentioned is SFO-LIS......TAP hub......large Portuguese population in California.......and TP recently added ORD/IAD..........sounds like a perfect fit!


Isn't TAP about to announce SFO? As far as I know it is supposed to be their next US destination after IAD/ORD.
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:52 pm

evanb wrote:
khowaga wrote:
They could introduce a tech stop at ACC or LFW to tie into ET/ASKY's network there. Or tech stop at SID like South African did in the 80s.

We'll see soon!


Sure, but why would they want to? The market is clearly moving towards non-stops. That's where the revenue premium is, and that is what United are interested in. They're not a LCC.

Also, just because ET/ASKY have a lot of flights to LFW, it doesn't mean it's a network of sorts. It's a hodgepodge of low frequency, multi-stop flights without any coordinated connecting banks or structure.


They might not want to, but they might not have a choice if they want to do the route at all. JNB is not an optimal airport for launching long flights given the heat and elevation. But if they choose a stop in West Africa (probably more likely LOS given the business and VFR links from IAH), it adds a fair amount of length to the route. We'll see whatever it is soon, anyway.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:52 pm

Pyrex wrote:
Are you sure about that? I was once on an AA flight GRU-JFK that diverted to PHL due to weather (made a pass to land at JFK but were short on gas so diverted to an alternate). We just waited on the ground inside the plane for an hour or so for weather at JFK to clear up and then fueled up the plane a bit and went on our way, and only cleared customs at JFK, not PHL.

Granted if it was a scheduled fuel stop I imagine things would be different, but for unscheduled ones, in days headwinds are particularly strong, perhaps not.


All passengers must clear customs at first point of entry to the US, that is defined as where the aircraft lands. Exemptions are granted for diversions.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:54 pm

IADCA wrote:
They might not want to, but they might not have a choice if they want to do the route at all. JNB is not an optimal airport for launching long flights given the heat and elevation. But if they choose a stop in West Africa (probably more likely LOS given the business and VFR links from IAH), it adds a fair amount of length to the route. We'll see whatever it is soon, anyway.


They might not want to is exactly why they would likely chose EWR over IAH since they could go non-stop from EWR. Chances of getting 5th freedom from LOS to JNB is close to zero.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:56 pm

jagraham wrote:
JNB is only about 100 ft higher than DIA. So UA should be quite familiar with that type of terrain for 789s.


What ~9,000 statute mile routes does UA operate from DEN?
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:00 pm

UA operating routes with stops is a thing of the past, unfortunately. Isn't the island hopper the only one left?
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:01 pm

EWR-JNB with a stop in Windhoek Namibia! That would be my dream flight. Namibia is a lot better off than SA these days it seems. Needs a good tourist boon though.
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:02 pm

JNB is only about 100 ft higher than DIA. So UA should be quite familiar with that type of terrain for 789s.
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:02 pm

evanb wrote:
YoungDon wrote:
What exactly do you mean when you say "not as efficiently"? It seems that the efficiency of connections would depend entirely on where you're going. Or are you just referring to the fact that more relevant/bigger population centers are closer to EWR and ORD than they are to IAH?


Hubs further east are just more efficient from JNB since there will be less backtracking. Granted, the ORD advantage over IAH here isn't big. It's why I still think EWR is more likely. But also your second point, ORD is just closer to the east coast than IAH.


Gotcha, and that makes sense. I would argue though that IAH offers more incremental gain than ORD and maybe even EWR does to UA, since UA can run connections via SA's flight into IAD, and there's more overlap between IAD/ORD/EWR's connection opportunities than IAH's.

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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:03 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
jcwr56 wrote:
Somewhere they haven't flown
Somewhere they'll make money
Somewhere they have the right product to make it work...

All in a "Historic" context....Ok, there's not that many places on Earth left to fit that moniker...



An announcement at 12 p.m. on the 12th day of the 12th month = 12 international routes..?

Just "spit-balling" a few:
EWR or IAH-JNB
EWR-CAI
DEN-LHR year-round
More TLV..?

When the 787-10s replace the 777s in EWR, where are those aircraft going (to fly)?


Perhaps re-evaluating about retiring those oddball 7 B.767-300 that were going to be retired after all to do the expansion.

Also what's with all this obsession with CAI? Hasn't Egypt been unsafe to fly to for over half a decade or so?
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:03 pm

Cle-cak?
 
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:04 pm

Apparently SFO related
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Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:04 pm

jagraham wrote:
JNB is only about 100 ft higher than DIA. So UA should be quite familiar with that type of terrain for 789s.

UA is also not trying to fly 7,800 nm westbound from DEN in the summer, so there's that.
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