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California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:57 am

Not too surprising, but they are making Baltia look good.

California Pacific Airlines canceled all of its flights Monday and Tuesday and has been beset with cancellations since it began operations last month out of McClellan-Palomar Airport.

The Carlsbad-based airline cited mechanical issues on social media Dec. 6 for delays. Calls and emails to the airline to get more information were not returned.


https://www.aviationpros.com/news/12438 ... l-problems
 
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Re: California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:19 am

So all their 10 passengers were inconvenienced.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:42 am

Not exactly promising.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:50 am

Bummer. They should have stuck with the 170 instead.
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:17 am

Thank goodness I got to fly on them before all this happened.
 
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Re: California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:19 pm

Uh, oh. Not good.

Should we start a pool on the date they shut down? If the average of 10 passengers per flight wasn’t bad enough, being unreliable might put a fork in this airline. Very unfortunate, it would have been nice to see them carve out a nice little niche.
 
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Re: California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:47 pm

Flakejet will last precisely as long as Ted is prepared to personally subsidize the operation.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:06 pm

Are they operating today?
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:28 pm

All just an orchestrated effort to increase their load factor
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:42 pm

Such a weird airline. The name alone makes zero sense; ten syllables and totally redundant. Of course it’s Pacific. Then again I’d love it if someone started California Atlantic. Cheers
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Re: California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:42 pm

They had an aircraft out of service after an accident. More here: https://www.capjournal.com/news/cpair-s ... 101f4.html
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:49 pm

cedarjet wrote:
Such a weird airline. The name alone makes zero sense; ten syllables and totally redundant. Of course it’s Pacific. Then again I’d love it if someone started California Atlantic. Cheers

Try explaining that to Asia Atlantic who flew 767s around Thailand but never even remotely came close to the Atlantic Ocean.
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Re: California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:14 pm

While this is being discussed in the California Pacific thread, a cancelation like this is noteworthy and deserving of its own thread.

If users would like to reference the more general topic, it can be found here:
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Re: California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:18 pm

xpfg wrote:
They had an aircraft out of service after an accident. More here: https://www.capjournal.com/news/cpair-s ... 101f4.html

Just a minor note of clarification: damage caused like that would be referred to an incident. An accident implies something far, far worse! An "accident" in aviation generally implies a fatality and/or serious damage to the fuselage.

In any event, damage caused to an aircraft like that would put it out of service for a few days even at a major carrier. Certainly not helpful when you've got a limited fleet to work with.
 
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Re: California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:36 pm

AirFiero wrote:
being unreliable might put a fork in this airline.


I live near Sacramento, there's a possibility I will need to travel to San Diego for work next year, and my company's facilities in the San Diego area are closer to CLD than to SAN. So it their planned SMF service ever comes to fruition I'd kind of like to give this airline a chance. But if they prove to be this unreliable, I'm not sure I want to risk it.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:40 pm

This incident was in October. Is there a second one I’m missing?
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:43 pm

I never really expected this airline to succeed. Not a good business plan at all, wrong airplane, wrong markets, just a lot of things set up wrong. A colleague of mine gave up 32 years at AA to go to work for Cal Pacific.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:47 pm

Supposedly, N286SK flew YYJ to SFO yesterday. There's no record of it leaving SGF (ferried there a few weeks ago from PIR). If it's true, hopefully it will be back in service very soon.
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Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:15 pm

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I never really expected this airline to succeed. Not a good business plan at all, wrong airplane, wrong markets, just a lot of things set up wrong. A colleague of mine gave up 32 years at AA to go to work for Cal Pacific.


I wouldn't be surprised if your colleague was able to get an early retirement from AAL and then went over to Cal Pac. A guy a couple seats over from me 'retired' from UAL then went up to head up a certain program at a training organization (I think, I'm a bit fuzzy on the details of where he went).
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Re: California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:48 pm

rajincajun01 wrote:
This incident was in October. Is there a second one I’m missing?


It took a month just to get it repaired enough to ferry to the repair shop.

KLMatSJC wrote:

Supposedly, N286SK flew YYJ to SFO yesterday. There's no record of it leaving SGF (ferried there a few weeks ago from PIR). If it's true, hopefully it will be back in service very soon.


Another Flightaware anomaly. Still at SGF.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:20 am

Well, no matter what happens now, at least Ted (V) can say he did launch his carrier -- he realized his dream!

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Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:26 am

Just looked at FlightAware, and it does appear they are flying today..at least some Carlsbad routes. It shows one planned to come in from SGF (though now delayed); I wonder if that is reinforcements coming in to cover.
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:36 am

In this article, according to Mickey Bowman the California PacificChief Operating Officer, its not the fleet that is the problem, but that there aren't enough pilots to fly them. So, there is conflicting information out there...
https://www.thecoastnews.com/cancelled- ... -airlines/
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:43 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
Just looked at FlightAware, and it does appear they are flying today..at least some Carlsbad routes. It shows one planned to come in from SGF (though now delayed); I wonder if that is reinforcements coming in to cover.


That's the plane that got damaged back in October before the Carlsbad operation began.
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:17 am

Yflyer wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
being unreliable might put a fork in this airline.


I live near Sacramento, there's a possibility I will need to travel to San Diego for work next year, and my company's facilities in the San Diego area are closer to CLD than to SAN. So it their planned SMF service ever comes to fruition I'd kind of like to give this airline a chance. But if they prove to be this unreliable, I'm not sure I want to risk it.


And there’s the rub. I want them to succeed, too. But would I (or you) risk buying a ticket that might not be worth anything suddenly? It makes it a risky proposition.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:33 am

Some billionaire must need a tax right off.
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:54 am

Micky Bowman, didn't he used to work for Mesa?
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:56 am

AirFiero wrote:
Yflyer wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
being unreliable might put a fork in this airline.


I live near Sacramento, there's a possibility I will need to travel to San Diego for work next year, and my company's facilities in the San Diego area are closer to CLD than to SAN. So it their planned SMF service ever comes to fruition I'd kind of like to give this airline a chance. But if they prove to be this unreliable, I'm not sure I want to risk it.


And there’s the rub. I want them to succeed, too. But would I (or you) risk buying a ticket that might not be worth anything suddenly? It makes it a risky proposition.

As long as you buy it with a credit card you can instantly charge it back if the airline were the cancel service.
 
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I never really expected this airline to succeed. Not a good business plan at all, wrong airplane, wrong markets, just a lot of things set up wrong. A colleague of mine gave up 32 years at AA to go to work for Cal Pacific.


There are not that many airplanes you can fly out of CLD. What equipment would you suggest? CRJ’s? The 145’s are far-better than their Canadian counterparts. Just my opinion. CRJ-700’s would better along with E-170’s.

And which cities would you serve?
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:48 pm

32andBelow wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
Yflyer wrote:

I live near Sacramento, there's a possibility I will need to travel to San Diego for work next year, and my company's facilities in the San Diego area are closer to CLD than to SAN. So it their planned SMF service ever comes to fruition I'd kind of like to give this airline a chance. But if they prove to be this unreliable, I'm not sure I want to risk it.


And there’s the rub. I want them to succeed, too. But would I (or you) risk buying a ticket that might not be worth anything suddenly? It makes it a risky proposition.

As long as you buy it with a credit card you can instantly charge it back if the airline were the cancel service.


Good info, thanks.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:52 pm

I saw a flight leave CLD earlier today. Good to see them flying again but yeah, tough start. I will see increased business in Reno in 2019. Typical RT is in the $500-$700 range (cheapest rando overnight RT on Southwest next week is $556, much more on UA and AA). Non-stop RT out of Carlsbad is $300. Can't do it until they go daily, but yeah, I very much want them to succeed. Any insight by those with more knowledge re airline ops than I (not exactly a high bar!) as to why CLD struggles so with attracting and retaining service?
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:13 am

williaminsd wrote:
to why CLD struggles so with attracting and retaining service?


I don't have the answers for that, but it is getting frustrating that airlines can't seem to take root at CLD. American Eagle, United Express, America West Express, are just a few that dropped service there years ago, recently CalJet disappeared, and now CPAir is struggling. I know United Express dropped service to CLD when they phased out the EMB Brasilias and went to regional jets.
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:06 pm

I would think it’s gonna take someone legitimizing the airport. By that, I mean either a Big 3 offering regular service or a smaller player lasting for a solid period of time. Short of that, people just aren’t going to take it seriously.
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:30 pm

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I would think it’s gonna take someone legitimizing the airport. By that, I mean either a Big 3 offering regular service


Big 3 such as American Eagle, or Delta Connection? Horizon (Alaska) would be a good fit too. They were recently reporting on the local news that CLD wants to extend the runway by 800 feet, hopefully that could better attract airlines to CLD, naturally many residents are opposed to the idea. They probably think CLD is trying to bring in the A380!
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:55 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
I would think it’s gonna take someone legitimizing the airport. By that, I mean either a Big 3 offering regular service or a smaller player lasting for a solid period of time. Short of that, people just aren’t going to take it seriously.


Not just a major airline, but one with connections available at the end of the flight would be helpful. P2P on a small, unknown airline makes for a tough business model.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:55 pm

Carlsbad could be the next STS or PAE. Just give it time. Lindbergh only has so much room and so does SNA to the north.

Alaska could have a larger presence in San Diego County by serving CLD, something WN couldn't do with their larger jets. Start with SJC and SMF with thru service to PDX and SEA on the E175's and go from there. The only service I can see on the Big 3 would be UA to SFO and AA to PHX and maybe SLC via LAS on DL until the runway is extended.
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:06 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
I would think it’s gonna take someone legitimizing the airport. By that, I mean either a Big 3 offering regular service or a smaller player lasting for a solid period of time. Short of that, people just aren’t going to take it seriously.


Eh, it also needs frequent enough service to a broad enough array of (at least regional) destinations to be competitive with driving to SAN or SNA, or an Allegiant-style carrier that draws passengers with low up-front fares. If the schedule is inconvenient, the time saved by not driving to SAN isn't enough to make up for traveling at a time that may differ by hours from what you'd actually prefer. If CLD can't take care of most of your regional travel needs, the convenience of CLD is probably outweighed by the value of better frequent flyer benefits on one of the bigger carriers at SAN or SNA.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:08 pm

Are there pics of this airline on a.net? I can't find any :(
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:08 pm

crj900lr wrote:
Micky Bowman, didn't he used to work for Mesa?


He's had quite a career, including head of corp development for Gulfstream back in the day. Good dude.

But I still think this whole California Pacific thing is one dopey scheme.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:10 pm

crj900lr wrote:
Micky Bowman, didn't he used to work for Mesa?

Left there in 2006. Then Gulfstream/Silver. ADI=>CalPac the last few years.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:55 pm

The runway at CLD is 4,897, they want to extend it by 800ft. That would bring it to 5,697ft. That would almost make it as long as SNA's runway which is 5,701ft. (which of course can accomodate the large planes.)
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:31 pm

ScottB wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
I would think it’s gonna take someone legitimizing the airport. By that, I mean either a Big 3 offering regular service or a smaller player lasting for a solid period of time. Short of that, people just aren’t going to take it seriously.


Eh, it also needs frequent enough service to a broad enough array of (at least regional) destinations to be competitive with driving to SAN or SNA


That may be the key right there. Convenience may not be enough to keep people from driving to SAN or SNA where you can catch flights on the big carriers with large frequencies to the same destinations as CPAir. CLD has to figure out a way to be more competitive. Trying to lure at least one or two of the big 3 is a starter.
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:31 pm

Advertising is another shortfall for airline service sometimes. But noting few passengers on CA Pacific and others may keep other airlines a bit gun shy.
 
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I just heard an advertisement on FM radio station out of San Jose for California Pacific Airlines. They seem to be trying.
 
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Coronado990 wrote:
Carlsbad could be the next STS or PAE. Just give it time. Lindbergh only has so much room and so does SNA to the north.

Alaska could have a larger presence in San Diego County by serving CLD, something WN couldn't do with their larger jets. Start with SJC and SMF with thru service to PDX and SEA on the E175's and go from there. The only service I can see on the Big 3 would be UA to SFO and AA to PHX and maybe SLC via LAS on DL until the runway is extended.


I understand UA used to serve CLD from LAX (?) with the E120. After SkyWest retired them they pulled out. If CPAir was originally planning on using E70 equipment and now E45s why couldn’t UA operate a CR2 or E45 to LAX or SFO? I know the runway is short but neither is very far from CLD. Up until recently UA even had a smaller fleet of E35s that surely perform similarly to the E20s?

If UA has plane types similar to what CPAir is using currently, had historical brand awareness in the market and can offer seemless connections through its network is it more a matter of profitablity than runway performance ?

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Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:50 am

I don't know how much CLD is known outside the area. Had I not been in the airline business in California, I probably wouldn't have known it, and I grew up in Northern California. If people want to go to San Diego, they will go to SAN.

My thought is that CLD's strength is limited to residents originating and returning there, and with friends and family visits to people there. Both need CLD-XXX-YYY connections and return to fill up what may be limited local segment traffic.
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The runway at CLD is 4,897, they want to extend it by 800ft. That would bring it to 5,697ft. That would almost make it as long as SNA's runway which is 5,701ft. (which of course can accomodate the large planes.)


EYW's runway is 4,801' and DL operates the 73G to/from ATL (and WN flew to TPA/MCO/MSY before they pulled out, not to mention past mainline jet service on FL, QH, PI/US, EA, and NA). The bigger issue for mainline aircraft at CLD might be getting the required environmental approvals.

77H wrote:
I understand UA used to serve CLD from LAX (?) with the E120. After SkyWest retired them they pulled out. If CPAir was originally planning on using E70 equipment and now E45s why couldn’t UA operate a CR2 or E45 to LAX or SFO? I know the runway is short but neither is very far from CLD. Up until recently UA even had a smaller fleet of E35s that surely perform similarly to the E20s?


The E135s came via COEX so they wouldn't have been available to the UA hub at LAX until after the merger, and the UA hub at LAX just ain't what it used to be. They don't even serve LAX-PDX anymore. But the real question for UA would be whether CLD service could produce enough of a yield premium over SAN to cover the higher cost of operating regional aircraft as well as the fixed costs of a station at CLD.

Coronado990 wrote:
Carlsbad could be the next STS or PAE.


The jury is definitely still out on PAE and not everything at STS has been successful. Moreover, STS is quite a bit farther from SFO/OAK than CLD is from SAN and the drive to SFO involves a bridge and congested San Francisco city streets. CLD is 35 freeway miles from SAN.
 
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77H wrote:
I understand UA used to serve CLD from LAX (?) with the E120. After SkyWest retired them they pulled out. If CPAir was originally planning on using E70 equipment and now E45s why couldn’t UA operate a CR2 or E45 to LAX or SFO? I know the runway is short but neither is very far from CLD. Up until recently UA even had a smaller fleet of E35s that surely perform similarly to the E20s?
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The problem for all three is they don't have any 50-seat Embraer jets on the west coast. SkyWest was dominant, particularly for Delta and United, and thus it was all CRJ-200s. The CRJ-200 lacks leading edge slats thus needs a longer runway; at CLD they can't get a viable payload out of there on one. The larger CRJ-700 and E-170/175 would work, but the market would need to have demand sufficient to justify the larger plane.

American Eagle used to have ERJ-140s flying around the west coast, these days though it's mostly all E-175s.
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:01 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure CLD was a SkyWest at-risk market. Clearly OO didn't believe it was viable after the E120s were retired and UA didn't care enough to bring it under the CPA to maintain service.
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Re: California Pacific Cancels All Flights for 2nd Straight Day

Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:47 pm

I do hope this company can become a strong player in the market, and I would say they are very brave to try an accomplish making CLD a major passenger draw for 50-70 passenger jets with the 2X frequency daily they are endeavoring to do. Realistically this company would do far better to make CLD a minor or focus airport, and concentrate on building business services to PHX/Mesa 2X daily from many of the cities they are serving and proposing service to. At this point PHX/Mesa is probably one of the most underserved business markets out there with "daily" service from major markets with the caliber of aircraft CalPac is utilizing.

Additionally they need to get a loyalty flyer program out there immediately.

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