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Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:14 pm
by mcdu
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2298616002

This is an odd occurrence. I can understand the return to the departure airport for the heart that was left on board. They need to get to the recipient ASAP. What is puzzling is why the plane change and 5 hour delay over a simple return to the field? Can’t imagine even an over weight landing inspection taking 5 hours to complete.

Hopefully this was not the same baggage handler that was filmed throwing fragile cargo that left the heart in the cargo hold.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:17 pm
by sw733
The article (which may have been updated) says that there was an unrelated mechanical issue and a new plane was needed.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:27 pm
by Flighty
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:28 pm
by Armodeen
The flight got all the way out to Yellowstone before turning around, with a total flight time of 3hrs. That plus 1h 23 from Sacremento and 2h 18 turn around in SEA is a total time of 6h 41m. Plus an absolute minimum of 30-45mins prior to departure at Sacremento.

Sadly this mistake means the organ was very unlikely to be viable in the end.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:30 pm
by kiowa
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


I don’t think so.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:39 pm
by Dfthu
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


When I was flying down to ATL on a Delta MD-90 they had human organs ready for transport in the cargo hold. It was the first thing they pulled out.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:04 pm
by kalvado
Dfthu wrote:
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


When I was flying down to ATL on a Delta MD-90 they had human organs ready for transport in the cargo hold. It was the first thing they pulled out.

Second that. A box labeled "human organ - kidney" went into the hold at ATL. It looked too big to fit into cockpit without creating some issues. BTW, I did check after the flight, we didn't have "lifeguard" callsign..

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:09 pm
by rbavfan
So sad. I hope the heart survived for transplant.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:10 pm
by bradyj23
kiowa wrote:
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


I don’t think so.


It can be either. Depends on size.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:10 pm
by Seabear
Holy crap. I never dreamed that human organs traveled commercial. Whenever it's portrayed in TV shows, the organs invariably travel by jet air ambulance, then by helicopter straight to the hospital roof.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:11 pm
by filejw
kiowa wrote:
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


I don’t think so.

Most depend on airline...used to do it all the time.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:17 pm
by INFINITI329
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


No

rbavfan wrote:
So sad. I hope the heart survived for transplant.


They must be packed to survive transport for 72 hours

Seabear wrote:
Holy crap. I never dreamed that human organs traveled commercial. Whenever it's portrayed in TV shows, the organs invariably travel by jet air ambulance, then by helicopter straight to the hospital roof.


Happens way more than you think...blood, organs, body parts, urine you name it. Very common on an individual basis you'll handle some sort of human specimen at least 2x-3x a day. On a system-wide airline scale well over 1,000x a day.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:07 pm
by B757Forever
kiowa wrote:
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


I don’t think so.


At DL I have seen numerous transplant organs carried in the cockpit. I specifically recall them placing a container behind the copilot marked "human eyes".

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:13 pm
by dfwjim1
B757Forever wrote:
kiowa wrote:
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


I don’t think so.


At DL I have seen numerous transplant organs carried in the cockpit. I specifically recall them placing a container behind the copilot marked "human eyes".


Does the captain have the authority to decline having those items in the cockpit?

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:17 pm
by aemoreira1981
How was this not noted at the original destination? Typically this is considered stat. Where one really has to be on his or her toes is if such is being transported on an international flight. This is something I learned last year in a blood banking course.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:28 pm
by tjwgrr
Heart One? :duck:


Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:57 pm
by USAirKid
The more interesting conundrum is where the heart was headed. It wasn't going to a hospital in the Seattle region. From the Seattle Times: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... t-onboard/

But no Seattle-area hospitals said they were involved. Spokeswomen for regional organ-procurement organizations in Washington and California both said they never use commercial flights for heart transplants.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:11 pm
by smokeybandit
Black market heart?

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:32 pm
by deebee278
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


As I recall, human organs can ride in the cockpit but dry ice cannot. If the organ is packed in dry ice, it has to be put elsewhere.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:48 pm
by tcfc424
When I worked as a ramper at United, all of our training and SOP's stated that no cargo traveled in the flight deck, specifically noting that included organs. Now, in practice, 100% of the time I handled such cargo, the captain refused to let it fly anywhere BUT the flight deck. YMMV.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:13 pm
by buzzard302
So in the end, no one really knew where the heart was supposed to go. Sounds about as organized as my workplace haha. Semi unusual story here, hope they figured out what was going on.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:47 pm
by jayunited
kiowa wrote:
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


I don’t think so.


Years ago when I was on the ramp I can remember there being occasions when live human tissue was loaded on the flight deck. I think it had something to do with dry ice and the amount of dry ice. If the total amount of dry ice exceeded 2.5 pounds at that point the shipment could not be loaded in the passenger compartment which included the flight deck. Granted its been few years since I've worked the ramp but back then we always loaded human tissue for transplant in the door and would place sever bags perhaps 3 bags around it to keep it from shifting during flight. It was loaded in the doorway position so it was the first thing to come off the aircraft. Normally with UA and human tissue for transplant the person picking up the package was always there at SPD counter (that is what UA called it before the merger) after the merger the name changed to Quickpak (and no there is no "C" in the name). If the tissues wasn't at the counter within 30 minutes of the flight blocking at the gate either the ramp lead or supervisor was getting a phone call questioning if we ad seen the package. So it seems to me in this situation not only did Southwest ground staff miss the package, but the company picking up the package was late arriving to the airport themselves. I find it hard to believe if someone was there to accept this heart for transplant that this aircraft would have been allowed to depart with it still onboard.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:49 pm
by mjzair
Two things. No one claimed to need the heart in the Seattle area, so, what was really in the box, was it really a heart, or possibly something nefarious? Or, have some bad apple ramp workers found a new way to smuggle contraband from one city to another. It seems to me more likely that someone would skip picking up a box of, lets say cocaine, then someone forgetting a human heart.
Second, aint no way an organ is riding in the cockpit with me. If I cannot open the box to see what is in it, it aint going to be in the cockpit.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:03 pm
by PlanesNTrains
mjzair wrote:
Two things. No one claimed to need the heart in the Seattle area, so, what was really in the box, was it really a heart, or possibly something nefarious? Or, have some bad apple ramp workers found a new way to smuggle contraband from one city to another. It seems to me more likely that someone would skip picking up a box of, lets say cocaine, then someone forgetting a human heart.
Second, aint no way an organ is riding in the cockpit with me. If I cannot open the box to see what is in it, it aint going to be in the cockpit.


It is a really weird story. If it wasn’t a heart it probably would be better.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:06 pm
by mcdu
mjzair wrote:
Two things. No one claimed to need the heart in the Seattle area, so, what was really in the box, was it really a heart, or possibly something nefarious? Or, have some bad apple ramp workers found a new way to smuggle contraband from one city to another. It seems to me more likely that someone would skip picking up a box of, lets say cocaine, then someone forgetting a human heart.
Second, aint no way an organ is riding in the cockpit with me. If I cannot open the box to see what is in it, it aint going to be in the cockpit.



Perhaps no hospital wants the possible legal implications of admitting a heart didn’t get to the intended recipient.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:12 pm
by atcsundevil
kalvado wrote:
Second that. A box labeled "human organ - kidney" went into the hold at ATL. It looked too big to fit into cockpit without creating some issues. BTW, I did check after the flight, we didn't have "lifeguard" callsign..

It's actually "medevac" now. It was changed a few years ago for ICAO compliance.

Just curious, how did you check? LiveATC or something? Usually "medevac" is only listed in the remarks, so it wouldn't show on something like Flight Aware or FR24 (unless it's a dedicated medflight, anyway).

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:19 pm
by B757Forever
dfwjim1 wrote:
B757Forever wrote:
kiowa wrote:

I don’t think so.


At DL I have seen numerous transplant organs carried in the cockpit. I specifically recall them placing a container behind the copilot marked "human eyes".


Does the captain have the authority to decline having those items in the cockpit?


The captain has the authority to refuse just about any passenger, cargo or anything else loaded onto the aircraft in his command.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:25 pm
by rhody
I’m a heart transplant surgeon. There’s something wrong about the story.

At a donor operation, a heart can be removed for later use in a patient who needs a heart transplant. The elapsed time from removal from the donor patient to being “sewn in” to the recipient patient ordinarily can be no longer than 4 hours or so....or the heart is not viable.

A surgical team travels from the recipient’s hospital to the donor’s hospital, performs surgery to remove the heart, then travels “home” with the donated heart....and then does operation to implant the heart in the recipient.

Because of the time constraint, all of the air travel is by (nonstop) charter aircraft....never by commercial carrier....and never with a connection!

As others have mentioned above, there is a much more relaxed time constraint for organs such as kidneys. Those organs often are travel as cargo with commercial carriers.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:29 pm
by kalvado
atcsundevil wrote:
kalvado wrote:
Second that. A box labeled "human organ - kidney" went into the hold at ATL. It looked too big to fit into cockpit without creating some issues. BTW, I did check after the flight, we didn't have "lifeguard" callsign..

It's actually "medevac" now. It was changed a few years ago for ICAO compliance.

Just curious, how did you check? LiveATC or something? Usually "medevac" is only listed in the remarks, so it wouldn't show on something like Flight Aware or FR24 (unless it's a dedicated medflight, anyway).

Just callsigns on flightaware, didn't even think about ATC recordings back then. I saw some flights clearly marked as Lifeguard (red font, icon) previously and expected to see those as well.
BTW, that was a while ago; 3+ years.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:34 pm
by twinotter
B757Forever wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
B757Forever wrote:

At DL I have seen numerous transplant organs carried in the cockpit. I specifically recall them placing a container behind the copilot marked "human eyes".


Does the captain have the authority to decline having those items in the cockpit?


The captain has the authority to refuse just about any passenger, cargo or anything else loaded onto the aircraft in his command.


Technically true, but that fact doesn't mean the captain can't be called on the carpet to explain decisions while in command of somebody else's airplane.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:53 pm
by buzzard302
rhody wrote:
I’m a heart transplant surgeon. There’s something wrong about the story.

At a donor operation, a heart can be removed for later use in a patient who needs a heart transplant. The elapsed time from removal from the donor patient to being “sewn in” to the recipient patient ordinarily can be no longer than 4 hours or so....or the heart is not viable.

A surgical team travels from the recipient’s hospital to the donor’s hospital, performs surgery to remove the heart, then travels “home” with the donated heart....and then does operation to implant the heart in the recipient.

Because of the time constraint, all of the air travel is by (nonstop) charter aircraft....never by commercial carrier....and never with a connection!

As others have mentioned above, there is a much more relaxed time constraint for organs such as kidneys. Those organs often are travel as cargo with commercial carriers.


That's interesting information. The national news just said there was no patient waiting for this particular heart, so maybe it was not intended for a live donor after all.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:59 pm
by TTailedTiger
dfwjim1 wrote:
B757Forever wrote:
kiowa wrote:

I don’t think so.


At DL I have seen numerous transplant organs carried in the cockpit. I specifically recall them placing a container behind the copilot marked "human eyes".


Does the captain have the authority to decline having those items in the cockpit?


Only if he/she wants to be plastered all over Judge Jeanine and The View. I can't imagine anyone being such a jerk. And the airline would certainly be within their rights to terminate them for abuse of power and the damage they caused to the image of the company.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:45 am
by BobbyPSP
I worked for America West at SFO ‘96-97 as a CSR and most definitely an organ was transported into SFO in the flightdeck. You couldn’t miss the container. Biohazard stickers as well as “organ for transplant” (if I remember correctly)

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:24 am
by crj900lr
TTailedTiger wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
B757Forever wrote:

At DL I have seen numerous transplant organs carried in the cockpit. I specifically recall them placing a container behind the copilot marked "human eyes".


Does the captain have the authority to decline having those items in the cockpit?


Only if he/she wants to be plastered all over Judge Jeanine and The View. I can't imagine anyone being such a jerk. And the airline would certainly be within their rights to terminate them for abuse of power and the damage they caused to the image of the company.



Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Abuse of power? Damage caused to the image of the Company?, Yeah ok, let me say it one more time, Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:30 am
by WayexTDI
crj900lr wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:

Does the captain have the authority to decline having those items in the cockpit?


Only if he/she wants to be plastered all over Judge Jeanine and The View. I can't imagine anyone being such a jerk. And the airline would certainly be within their rights to terminate them for abuse of power and the damage they caused to the image of the company.



Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Abuse of power? Damage caused to the image of the Company?, Yeah ok, let me say it one more time, Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Sure does. And HR has final say on his employment with said aircraft operator if they disagree with his final say.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:33 am
by TTailedTiger
crj900lr wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:

Does the captain have the authority to decline having those items in the cockpit?


Only if he/she wants to be plastered all over Judge Jeanine and The View. I can't imagine anyone being such a jerk. And the airline would certainly be within their rights to terminate them for abuse of power and the damage they caused to the image of the company.



Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Abuse of power? Damage caused to the image of the Company?, Yeah ok, let me say it one more time, Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.


You're telling me if the captain decides to throw off a passenger because he/she doesn't like that passenger's brand of luggage that management will just go along with it? No, they won't. There must be a valid reason for refusing service to a passenger or parcel. You are living in a fantasy world. I guess you don't remember that United captain that had a meltdown earlier this year.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:45 am
by admanager
The heart was not destined for a transplant but for harvesting the valves. There is a time limit on the time for the valves to be removed. When the WN aircraft returned to SEA, the time left was 12 hours, so while the heart could have still made it to the final destination with time to spare, returning to SEA ensured the valves could saved and potential save a life or two.
Rhody was right to be suspicious of the initial story.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:23 am
by crj900lr
TTailedTiger wrote:
crj900lr wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

Only if he/she wants to be plastered all over Judge Jeanine and The View. I can't imagine anyone being such a jerk. And the airline would certainly be within their rights to terminate them for abuse of power and the damage they caused to the image of the company.



Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Abuse of power? Damage caused to the image of the Company?, Yeah ok, let me say it one more time, Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.


You're telling me if the captain decides to throw off a passenger because he/she doesn't like that passenger's brand of luggage that management will just go along with it? No, they won't. There must be a valid reason for refusing service to a passenger or parcel. You are living in a fantasy world. I guess you don't remember that United captain that had a meltdown earlier this year.



We are talking about items being carried in the flight deck, look at the post which started this that I commented on. It's obvious neither of you work in the industry, fantasy world? yep I guess your right considering I've been in the industry for over 15 years, but your right, what would I know.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:51 am
by goboeing
Flighty wrote:
Usually this type of cargo flies in the cockpit.


I've had a heart at least twice and both times it was in the cargo.

I did have a set of eyes in the cockpit once. Obviously the joke was made about it being good that there's an extra set of eyes up there with us, albeit not those of a jumpseater.

The first heart transport, I remember being a little surprised that it just sat on the belt loader while I was doing the walk-around, after all the bags had been unloaded and taken to baggage claim. Chit chatting with a ramper during the turn, he said he'd had a similar thought initially but after a few of them and other organs over the years, it's not like Hollywood might make you think it is with the box being whisked away and someone sprinting into the ER with it straight from the jet. The surgery is scheduled for 4PM? We're on the ramp at at airport at 11AM, the transport to the hospital simply hasn't arrived yet. Just another package -- an important one though.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:52 am
by a320fan
I remember QF doing a promotional television series on their operations a few years ago and I recall them showing the transport in the flight deck of both an organ and live kangaroo joeys getting relocated

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:52 am
by USAirKid
admanager wrote:
The heart was not destined for a transplant but for harvesting the valves. There is a time limit on the time for the valves to be removed. When the WN aircraft returned to SEA, the time left was 12 hours, so while the heart could have still made it to the final destination with time to spare, returning to SEA ensured the valves could saved and potential save a life or two.
Rhody was right to be suspicious of the initial story.


Here's a follow up news article: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... ed-around/

The heart was taken to LifeNet Health, a Renton-based tissue bank. LifeNet was notified by the courier that the heart was delayed, but that it would be received within the time frame required. Hearts must be received within 48 hours after the donor’s death, said Doug Wilson, LifeNet executive vice president. He said the tissue bank often receives shipments through commercial flights.

The heart was received 12 hours before it would have been unusable. “Despite the detour, all is well,” Santana said.



LifeNet would have received the heart with about 15 hours left for processing if it had been unloaded at the correct time. The three-hour delay from the time the plane took off, turned around and then landed back at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport brought that down to 12 hours.

If the plane had flown to Dallas on time and then immediately flown back, the processing window would have been cut down to less than seven hours.


Its still kindof amazing that this didn't get off the plane the first time in Seattle.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:59 am
by crj900lr
WayexTDI wrote:
crj900lr wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

Only if he/she wants to be plastered all over Judge Jeanine and The View. I can't imagine anyone being such a jerk. And the airline would certainly be within their rights to terminate them for abuse of power and the damage they caused to the image of the company.



Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Abuse of power? Damage caused to the image of the Company?, Yeah ok, let me say it one more time, Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Sure does. And HR has final say on his employment with said aircraft operator if they disagree with his final say.



It more then likely wouldn't even come close to that. There would be meetings and conference calls about it with the pilot who made the decision, along with union representation, and in the end they would probably agree that next time, depending on the situation at hand, better judgement should be used. Nobody is losing their job over it unless the pilot happens to have a history of doing this with no facts/answers to back it up, and even then I doubt it would happen. I'm not sure what industry you are in but where I'm at it takes more then just HR to say someone is fired/terminated/released from work.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:01 am
by TTailedTiger
crj900lr wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
crj900lr wrote:


Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Abuse of power? Damage caused to the image of the Company?, Yeah ok, let me say it one more time, Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.


You're telling me if the captain decides to throw off a passenger because he/she doesn't like that passenger's brand of luggage that management will just go along with it? No, they won't. There must be a valid reason for refusing service to a passenger or parcel. You are living in a fantasy world. I guess you don't remember that United captain that had a meltdown earlier this year.



We are talking about items being carried in the flight deck, look at the post which started this that I commented on. It's obvious neither of you work in the industry, fantasy world? yep I guess your right considering I've been in the industry for over 15 years, but your right, what would I know.


You said the captain could throw a passenger off for any reason and that simply isn't true. Have some respect for others and admit your mistake. I wasn't the only one to call you out on it.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:03 am
by crj900lr
TTailedTiger wrote:
crj900lr wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

You're telling me if the captain decides to throw off a passenger because he/she doesn't like that passenger's brand of luggage that management will just go along with it? No, they won't. There must be a valid reason for refusing service to a passenger or parcel. You are living in a fantasy world. I guess you don't remember that United captain that had a meltdown earlier this year.



We are talking about items being carried in the flight deck, look at the post which started this that I commented on. It's obvious neither of you work in the industry, fantasy world? yep I guess your right considering I've been in the industry for over 15 years, but your right, what would I know.


You sad the captain could throw a passenger off for any reason and that simply isn't true. Have some respect for others and admit your mistake. I wasn't the only one to call you out on it.



I did? And where was this?

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:06 am
by steveinbc
I was going to suggest it was either a SFO flight and start to croon, " I left my heart in San Francisco". Or I was going to propose that it was Michael O'Leary's but he hasnt got one. So I think I won't make any comment at all. Since either of those statements would be in poor taste.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:13 am
by notaxonrotax
crj900lr wrote:

Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.

Yeah ok, let me say it one more time, Captain has final say on what goes on his/her aircraft.


That is all well and good for that particular moment.
I also have ultimate say in certain operations in my work; doesn`t mean to say that I don`t have to have a darn good story to tell my boss if there are commercial comebacks.

If a Captain pisses off a customer for no good reason and the situation escalates.....there will be consequences.
Especially if this happens on a regular basis, you know; by power-tripping guys / gals that can`t deal with the stripes on their shoulders.

So, while technically true about the "final say".....a Captain can`t make whatever call as he or she pleases without expecting serious questions if that call then appears to be the wrong one.
I know that when I`m bounced for unfair reasons I would fight the airline all the way up the food-chain and / or go public with it......and I don`t think I´m the only one.


No Tax On Rotax

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:59 am
by CanesFan
B757Forever wrote:
At DL I have seen numerous transplant organs carried in the cockpit. I specifically recall them placing a container behind the copilot marked "human eyes".


It’s always good to have an extra set of eyes in the cockpit.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:52 am
by Newark727
Edgar Allen Poe could not be reached for comment...

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:27 am
by FlyHossD
Cabin inspection? As I recall - at least at my former carrier - a cabin and a flight deck inspection was required at each crew change. So how was this overlooked (i.e. someone didn't complete the required inspection?). In training, we were taught that such an inspection was a FAA requirement. Is that not correct?

OR - Was it not a crew change? In which, the crew somehow forgot the heart was onboard...?

One more thing - after 9/11, we weren't allowed to carry any human tissues for transplant in the flight deck.

Re: Southwest flight diverted due to human heart left on board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:24 am
by DCA-ROCguy
Newark727 wrote:
Edgar Allen Poe could not be reached for comment...


I had the same thought!

“Villains!” the Captain shrieked, “dissemble no more! I admit the deed! — open the cargo compartment! — here, here! — it is the beating of his hideous heart!”

Jim