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AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:05 pm

 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:27 pm

Well, it was just a matter of time until this happened.

Easy to say after the fact "I told you so", but many people have warned of the danger of drones.

Hope we'll never see the next step in drone vs. aircraft...
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:08 pm

Hopefully there was no damage to the equipment in the nose
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:13 pm

Yup, it was bound to happen at some point.

I wonder if upgraded radar and avionics will be considered for aircraft or airports in the future. Even with the best regulations in place, it's easy enough to get one of these and just fly them. That sort of thing would be a lot more acceptable to authorities and communities than arming planes and airfields.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:40 pm

And this is how you take a fun activity and ruin it for the rest of us.

I'm fairly confident there will be more regulations and limitations on drones coming soon. And I'm also fairly confident these extra regulations and limitations will make drones a pain the a** for the people who at least somewhat try to go along with what the rules are trying to accomplish, meanwhile done-airplane incidents will continue to happen because every crowd has that one selfish idiot who thinks the rules aren't for them and unregistered drones are a difficult thing for authorities to track.
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:02 pm

Was asking for trouble letting anyone buy something capable of flying up as high as planes.
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:20 pm

BojamDelta wrote:
Was asking for trouble letting anyone buy something capable of flying up as high as planes.


What??
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 pm

Imagine if the drone was a bit higher and struck the cockpit windows. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Unfortunately, nothing will be done until there is a major accident.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:05 am

WN732 wrote:
Imagine if the drone was a bit higher and struck the cockpit windows. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Unfortunately, nothing will be done until there is a major accident.


Most jets have triple pane glass windshields. Can't speak for the 737, but we once had a windshield on the jet I fly that had a shattered pane (one of three layers). Before we replaced it, the fire department asked if they could practice breaking it through with their fire axes for some practice, to see if they'd be able to get in to a burning airplane with no cockpit hatch access. A half hour of axe pounding by several burly firemen, and we finally made them stop trying to break the glass for fear of damaging the actual fuselage.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:25 am

Is there any proof this was a drone?

A few of my colleagues fly drones for their professional video production businesses. Those drones are only a couple pounds each and made entirely of plastic parts. Would they really do that much damage?

The larger drones used for Hollywood-level cinematography are indeed much larger and heavier, and often lift cameras in the $50k-$100k range. There is no way someone footing the bill for a large drone shoot would allow an operator to fly near an airport...?
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:32 am

First, let me say I am delighted the plane landed safely and that no one was hurt. But there are some questions that need to answered.

From Flightradar24, it appears that this was an approach from the west onto runway 9. If so, I know that planes have been known to circle over the Tijuana River Valley in California for an approach to 27, having seen it several times from the beach just north of the border.

I am in no way trying to make this political or inflame the situation at all, but if this indeed a runway 9 incident, might this have been an American drone? Being right along the border and all, might it have belonged to US Border Patrol? And where, exactly, did the collision occur? And why was runway 9 (the opposite) in use?

Edit: I have a screenshot image I tried to post here via the usual means via PostImage, but it isn't showing up. I haven't figured out how to upload pictures directly, so my apologies; however, in the second link, one of the photos on that page is of the FR24 details of XA-ADV.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:49 am

WayexTDI wrote:
Well, it was just a matter of time until this happened.

Easy to say after the fact "I told you so", but many people have warned of the danger of drones.

Hope we'll never see the next step in drone vs. aircraft...


As opposed to the danger of large birds? Not saying this should happen (it shouldn't) but it will likely get blown out of proportion. Birds cause much more damage and have statistically proven to be a much greater risk.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:06 am

BojamDelta wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
BojamDelta wrote:
Looks great but as much as I like it I’d love to see one of these in the ANA livery

You may want to post over at the ANA A380 thread...


Sorry realised my mistake thought I was on the ANA 380 thread! :oops:


At least it didn't damage ANA's brand new A380!
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:26 am

Wacker1000 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Well, it was just a matter of time until this happened.

Easy to say after the fact "I told you so", but many people have warned of the danger of drones.

Hope we'll never see the next step in drone vs. aircraft...


As opposed to the danger of large birds? Not saying this should happen (it shouldn't) but it will likely get blown out of proportion. Birds cause much more damage and have statistically proven to be a much greater risk.

Except you cannot control or regulate birds; but you can regulate drones. And drone use is prohibited near airports (within a certain distance that I do not know) for that specific reason.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:33 am

aden23 wrote:
Is there any proof this was a drone?

A few of my colleagues fly drones for their professional video production businesses. Those drones are only a couple pounds each and made entirely of plastic parts. Would they really do that much damage?

The larger drones used for Hollywood-level cinematography are indeed much larger and heavier, and often lift cameras in the $50k-$100k range. There is no way someone footing the bill for a large drone shoot would allow an operator to fly near an airport...?

If a 5-pound can take down an engine (think Miracle on the Hudson, a.k.a. US Airways Flight 1549), a 2-pound drone can certainly damage a radome like that.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:45 am

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
From Flightradar24, it appears that this was an approach from the west onto runway 9. If so, I know that planes have been known to circle over the Tijuana River Valley in California for an approach to 27, having seen it several times from the beach just north of the border.

I am in no way trying to make this political or inflame the situation at all, but if this indeed a runway 9 incident, might this have been an American drone? Being right along the border and all, might it have belonged to US Border Patrol?


This flight restriction recently posted makes me suspect it could have been a border patrol drone:

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_8_0241.html
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:42 pm

There is no proof that this was a drone strike at this point. However, if it was, I'd like to know what size of drone this was to make comparisons with existing bird strike tests. This looks pretty similar to bird strike test results so that would be a great data point to have.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:44 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
There is no proof that this was a drone strike at this point. However, if it was, I'd like to know what size of drone this was to make comparisons with existing bird strike tests. This looks pretty similar to bird strike test results so that would be a great data point to have.

Bird strikes are usually obvious by red substance sprayed all over the impact area.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:45 pm

kalvado wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
There is no proof that this was a drone strike at this point. However, if it was, I'd like to know what size of drone this was to make comparisons with existing bird strike tests. This looks pretty similar to bird strike test results so that would be a great data point to have.

Bird strikes are usually obvious by red substance sprayed all over the impact area.


Sometimes, not always.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:14 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
kalvado wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
There is no proof that this was a drone strike at this point. However, if it was, I'd like to know what size of drone this was to make comparisons with existing bird strike tests. This looks pretty similar to bird strike test results so that would be a great data point to have.

Bird strikes are usually obvious by red substance sprayed all over the impact area.


Sometimes, not always.

Blood, feathers, guts. Case were none of those are found on the airframe are extremely rare.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:34 pm

skywaymanaz wrote:
This flight restriction recently posted makes me suspect it could have been a border patrol drone:

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_8_0241.html



Well, let's see... the NOTAM was issued 5 minutes after it became effective, and the Twitter photo was 33 minutes after the NOTAM was issued. Hmmm.......
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:48 pm

VASAviation video with ATC from the incident. Pictures at the end of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fts9u5ND24

Drones are really dangerous. Even a small commercial drone for the amateur market contains lot's of hard plastic, metal parts (motors, gyros, radio) and sometimes glass optics. That's going to create more damage than a bird of similar size.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:56 pm

MesserJ wrote:
Hopefully there was no damage to the equipment in the nose

A drone could probably damage the radar.

WayexTDI wrote:
aden23 wrote:
Is there any proof this was a drone?

A few of my colleagues fly drones for their professional video production businesses. Those drones are only a couple pounds each and made entirely of plastic parts. Would they really do that much damage?

The larger drones used for Hollywood-level cinematography are indeed much larger and heavier, and often lift cameras in the $50k-$100k range. There is no way someone footing the bill for a large drone shoot would allow an operator to fly near an airport...?

If a 5-pound can take down an engine (think Miracle on the Hudson, a.k.a. US Airways Flight 1549), a 2-pound drone can certainly damage a radome like that.

I know of a time that a red shop rag took out a CF6-80C2. Little things that, fasteners even rocks can take out a jet engine. A drone wouldn't be fun.

oh that CF6 was in the test cell not on-wing, btw.

WN732 wrote:
Imagine if the drone was a bit higher and struck the cockpit windows. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Unfortunately, nothing will be done until there is a major accident.

I would imagine the would preform as expected and it wouldn't be a huge deal.

windows are tested for things like birds just like engines are.
ajsljet45 wrote:

I thought Southwest had one get hit out in California but it might have just been a really close call.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:59 pm

I too noticed TIJ using RWY 9 which seems strange as it was a clear day with a slight breeze and RWY 9 is rarely used to begin with. The RWY 9 approach is odd considering it is over US airspace and I always wondered, if there were an accident on approach, would Mexican emergency vehicles be allowed to respond to the scene or would it be from the US side or would it be both? Anyway, glad everyone landed safely.
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:25 pm

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Most jets have triple pane glass windshields. Can't speak for the 737, but we once had a windshield on the jet I fly that had a shattered pane (one of three layers). Before we replaced it, the fire department asked if they could practice breaking it through with their fire axes for some practice, to see if they'd be able to get in to a burning airplane with no cockpit hatch access. A half hour of axe pounding by several burly firemen, and we finally made them stop trying to break the glass for fear of damaging the actual fuselage.

I can believe that fully.

Twenty plus years ago when TV sets were of the CRT or cathode ray tube type in the time before LED displays and PhotoShop were heard of, I was at a commercial photographer friend's studio. They were prepping a shoot of a football smashed through the CRT. They were trying to make a large hole in the thick glass of the 26" TV for the ball to sit half way out of the set.
Many attempts with a sledgehammer, an ax, and a hammer & chisel combination made no headway.
Finally, an industrial power drill had to be employed to put in a series of 1/4" holes around a circle of the ball diameter size for the sledgehammer to do its work.

A jetliner's windshield is certainly much harder to crack than a home TV CRT.
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:27 pm

As a licensed private pilot, drones make me a tad bit nervous.
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:34 pm

There are regulations for drones in the United States

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:42 pm

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No They have had another earlier this year or last year. Don't remember when. April 2016 a BA A320 at LHR & Oct 2017 Skyjet Beech King Air 100 was on approach to Québec City.
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:45 pm

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And this is how you take a fun activity and ruin it for the rest of us.

I'm fairly confident there will be more regulations and limitations on drones coming soon. And I'm also fairly confident these extra regulations and limitations will make drones a pain the a** for the people who at least somewhat try to go along with what the rules are trying to accomplish, meanwhile done-airplane incidents will continue to happen because every crowd has that one selfish idiot who thinks the rules aren't for them and unregistered drones are a difficult thing for authorities to track.


Sadly the other issue is jerks that use them to spy on people in their back yards. But at least that does not endanger 30-600 passengers lives.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:49 pm

WN732 wrote:
Imagine if the drone was a bit higher and struck the cockpit windows. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Unfortunately, nothing will be done until there is a major accident.


The danger is one going into an engine. There is plenty of windscreen if the widow is damaged, if it goes into the engine on approach or T-O it could be hard to keep the plane from crashing.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:08 pm

rbavfan wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Imagine if the drone was a bit higher and struck the cockpit windows. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Unfortunately, nothing will be done until there is a major accident.


The danger is one going into an engine. There is plenty of windscreen if the widow is damaged, if it goes into the engine on approach or T-O it could be hard to keep the plane from crashing.


Nonsense. No danger.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:17 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Imagine if the drone was a bit higher and struck the cockpit windows. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Unfortunately, nothing will be done until there is a major accident.


The danger is one going into an engine. There is plenty of windscreen if the widow is damaged, if it goes into the engine on approach or T-O it could be hard to keep the plane from crashing.


Nonsense. No danger.

Of course, engine out at any point of flight is a standard consideration of flight planning. All our discussions about V1 for example.
Now it would be interesting to know - if you're privileged to such information - what actually happen on impact. I would be concerned about battery flameout....
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:21 pm

aden23 wrote:
Is there any proof this was a drone?

A few of my colleagues fly drones for their professional video production businesses. Those drones are only a couple pounds each and made entirely of plastic parts. Would they really do that much damage?

The larger drones used for Hollywood-level cinematography are indeed much larger and heavier, and often lift cameras in the $50k-$100k range. There is no way someone footing the bill for a large drone shoot would allow an operator to fly near an airport...?


Really the engines & batteries in those drones are plastic, not to mention the mini HD video camera's in those same drones that have metal in the motorised lenses & nice sharp glass. Or do there drones fly on magic non powered motors. watch a video of a bird test on an engine. They use 2 lb. to 5 lb. birds. This video shows cockpit window test & then bird test. Tell me how you would feal on aproach if your engine did what you see in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6sCvyMAjfQ
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:50 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Imagine if the drone was a bit higher and struck the cockpit windows. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Unfortunately, nothing will be done until there is a major accident.


The danger is one going into an engine. There is plenty of windscreen if the widow is damaged, if it goes into the engine on approach or T-O it could be hard to keep the plane from crashing.


Nonsense. No danger.


Really pilots regularly not that loss of engine power on T-O or approach is one of the most dangerous thing to happen on a flight. But then again your pic is a drone. That shows bias on your part.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:52 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
kalvado wrote:
Bird strikes are usually obvious by red substance sprayed all over the impact area.


Sometimes, not always.

Blood, feathers, guts. Case were none of those are found on the airframe are extremely rare.

Has anyone confirmed properly that this was actually a drone impact? As you note with birds, for a drone there should be mechanical or plastic bits or fairly clear physical evidence of it being a drone.


rbavfan wrote:
But then again your pic is a drone. That shows bias on your part.

Actually if I remember that is a spaceship from a video game but I forget which one.

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Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:54 pm

rbavfan wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:

The danger is one going into an engine. There is plenty of windscreen if the widow is damaged, if it goes into the engine on approach or T-O it could be hard to keep the plane from crashing.


Nonsense. No danger.


Really pilots regularly not that loss of engine power on T-O or approach is one of the most dangerous thing to happen on a flight. But then again your pic is a drone. That shows bias on your part.


My profile pic is a battle cruiser from Starcraft, not a drone.

Loss of power on approach is indeed an issue. But a memory response and can happen with a bird strike just as easily as a drone strike. No need to scare people who don't know what we do to ensure their safety on aircraft with falsehoods.

edit to update: authorities on the ground are stating they currently have no evidence that this was a drone strike - doesn't mean it wasn't - just that it appears there's nothing left behind. They specifically noted they were looking into the LAM incident as a possible similar incident.

Also, if it really was a drone being operated by CBP, I'm sure we would already know this after this news conference.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:17 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Imagine if the drone was a bit higher and struck the cockpit windows. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Unfortunately, nothing will be done until there is a major accident.


The danger is one going into an engine. There is plenty of windscreen if the widow is damaged, if it goes into the engine on approach or T-O it could be hard to keep the plane from crashing.


Nonsense. No danger.

You're right, there is absolutely 0 danger when engines ingest things other that air. :roll:
Go ask Sully how he feels about that...
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:18 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:

Nonsense. No danger.


Really pilots regularly not that loss of engine power on T-O or approach is one of the most dangerous thing to happen on a flight. But then again your pic is a drone. That shows bias on your part.


My profile pic is a battle cruiser from Starcraft, not a drone.

Loss of power on approach is indeed an issue. But a memory response and can happen with a bird strike just as easily as a drone strike. No need to scare people who don't know what we do to ensure their safety on aircraft with falsehoods.

edit to update: authorities on the ground are stating they currently have no evidence that this was a drone strike - doesn't mean it wasn't - just that it appears there's nothing left behind. They specifically noted they were looking into the LAM incident as a possible similar incident.

Also, if it really was a drone being operated by CBP, I'm sure we would already know this after this news conference.

Also, if it really was a drone being operated by CBP, I'm sure we would already know this after this news conference.we'll never heard the true story

FTFY
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:19 pm

seb146 wrote:
There are regulations for drones in the United States

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/

And people always respect the rules and regulations... :roll:
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:42 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:

The danger is one going into an engine. There is plenty of windscreen if the widow is damaged, if it goes into the engine on approach or T-O it could be hard to keep the plane from crashing.


Nonsense. No danger.

You're right, there is absolutely 0 danger when engines ingest things other that air. :roll:
Go ask Sully how he feels about that...


Miracle on the hudson classifies as a double failure due to both engines out. :roll:
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:58 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:

Nonsense. No danger.

You're right, there is absolutely 0 danger when engines ingest things other that air. :roll:
Go ask Sully how he feels about that...


Miracle on the hudson classifies as a double failure due to both engines out. :roll:

And if nothing is done to stop those drones from being that close to airport, 2 drones will be flown one each into the engines of a plane with the same result.

I never said it would absolutely definitely crash a plane; I was countering your "it'll do nothing to the plane" comment.
Basically, it's somewhere in the middle.
 
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:12 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
You're right, there is absolutely 0 danger when engines ingest things other that air. :roll:
Go ask Sully how he feels about that...


Miracle on the hudson classifies as a double failure due to both engines out. :roll:

And if nothing is done to stop those drones from being that close to airport, 2 drones will be flown one each into the engines of a plane with the same result.

I never said it would absolutely definitely crash a plane; I was countering your "it'll do nothing to the plane" comment.
Basically, it's somewhere in the middle.


Well we don't consider two failures, even for bird strike. So its irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:35 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
seb146 wrote:
There are regulations for drones in the United States

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/

And people always respect the rules and regulations... :roll:


Right?

There were comments up the thread about regulating drones, so I just wanted to point out there are regulations on drones.
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:42 pm

Sounds like this wasn't a drone at all, but a failure of the radome.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=219435
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:54 pm

C525C wrote:
Sounds like this wasn't a drone at all, but a failure of the radome.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=219435

Two things make it hard to believe:
1. there were 2 similar failures over 2 years - and I cannot find earlier events. Were there significant changes in radome manufacturing technology?
2. Urgent TFR, effective 5 minutes before it was issued....
 
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Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:10 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:

Miracle on the hudson classifies as a double failure due to both engines out. :roll:

And if nothing is done to stop those drones from being that close to airport, 2 drones will be flown one each into the engines of a plane with the same result.

I never said it would absolutely definitely crash a plane; I was countering your "it'll do nothing to the plane" comment.
Basically, it's somewhere in the middle.


Well we don't consider two failures, even for bird strike. So its irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks for basically agreeing with me: a flock of drone hitting an aircraft can take it down in the same manner as a flock of bird can.
It's unfortunately just a matter of time until it happens.
 
ELBOB
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:21 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
Thanks for basically agreeing with me: a flock of drone hitting an aircraft can take it down in the same manner as a flock of bird can.
It's unfortunately just a matter of time until it happens.


Particularly as commercial operators continue to use long, near-flat approaches that put them low over inhabited areas for extended periods of time.

There's no reason they couldn't change to a 6 degree glideslope*, other than the usual moaning about certification and training costs. But that would allow airliners to stay higher for longer and reduce the risk of colliding with birds or drones.

Instead it's cheaper and easier for airports to do nothing except call for increasingly ridiculous 'exclusion zones' such as a 15km radius around their property. Which other industry could get away with that as a safety measure?

* London City started ops with a 7.5 deg slope!
 
JAAlbert
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:02 pm

So the only news organization reporting a serious Incident like this is Sputnik News??
 
planecane
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:07 pm

aden23 wrote:
Is there any proof this was a drone?

A few of my colleagues fly drones for their professional video production businesses. Those drones are only a couple pounds each and made entirely of plastic parts. Would they really do that much damage?

The larger drones used for Hollywood-level cinematography are indeed much larger and heavier, and often lift cameras in the $50k-$100k range. There is no way someone footing the bill for a large drone shoot would allow an operator to fly near an airport...?

I know it was higher speed but remember what a piece of FOAM did to the space shuttle Columbia.
 
Wacker1000
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Re: AM 737 collides with drone at TIJ

Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:13 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
Thanks for basically agreeing with me: a flock of drone hitting an aircraft can take it down in the same manner as a flock of bird can.
It's unfortunately just a matter of time until it happens.


Those migratory flocks of drones are a bear to avoid..... :banghead:

So in the past decade we've had:
-One aircraft brought down by a flock of large and heavy birds (which ultimately equates to a one off as the past decade has proven you have about a 1 in 90 million chance of being on a US commercial flight and having that happen)
-Hundreds of bird strikes annually that are non-issues
-One alleged drone strike that was a non-issue
-A increasing number of internet users who don't understand statistics or risk management

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