BDL - new airline announcement 12/18

ajsljet45 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:59 am

Announcement expected from CT Governor Malloy on Tuesday at 9:30am

Maybe AS ?

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:03 am

Frontier?

VS4ever · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:07 am

well with NK and B6 already being in town, that really leaves F9, AS and G4 as the main options, unless we are talking international.

FA9295 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:07 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Frontier?

That would be my guess. Maybe Sun Country?

Certainly not Alaska. SEA-BDL seems like a great way to throw money away.

Midwestindy · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:09 am

VS4ever wrote:
well with NK and B6 already being in town, that really leaves F9, AS and G4 as the main options, unless we are talking international.

Governors don’t show up for ULCCs, unless it is a major investment, so it’s AS or int’l.

Midwestindy · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:09 am

FA9295 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Frontier?

That would be my guess. Maybe Sun Country?

Certainly not Alaska. SEA-BDL seems like a great way to throw money away.

The UTC-Boeing connection

FA9295 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:11 am

Sun Country and Alaska both announce routes on Tuesdays, IIRC.

I'd be shocked to see SEA-BDL.

VS4ever · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:11 am

Midwestindy wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
well with NK and B6 already being in town, that really leaves F9, AS and G4 as the main options, unless we are talking international.

Governors don’t show up for ULCCs, unless it is a major investment, so it’s AS or int’l.

If it's an investment situation, it's more likely to be International, not sure CT is going to pay much in the way of incentives to AS to come to town. I maybe wrong, but you have a point...

FlyingSicilian · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:11 am

Frontier would be my initial guess also, but with the CT Governor there maybe something bigger such as an int'l player? I don't know CT politics well enough to know if the governor makes such announcements, but being a small state maybe they do, not casting aspersions BTW ;-)

ajsljet45 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:14 am

FA9295 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Frontier?

That would be my guess. Maybe Sun Country?

Certainly not Alaska. SEA-BDL seems like a great way to throw money away.

BDL has made obtaining SEA service a priority the past few years

https://www.courant.com/business/hc-bra ... story.html

FA9295 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:14 am

VS4ever wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
well with NK and B6 already being in town, that really leaves F9, AS and G4 as the main options, unless we are talking international.

Governors don’t show up for ULCCs, unless it is a major investment, so it’s AS or int’l.

If it's an investment situation, it's more likely to be International, not sure CT is going to pay much in the way of incentives to AS to come to town. I maybe wrong, but you have a point...

PIT and CMH (maybe some others as well) both have made financial investments into their SEA flights.

stlgph · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:14 am

Midwestindy wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
well with NK and B6 already being in town, that really leaves F9, AS and G4 as the main options, unless we are talking international.

Governors don’t show up for ULCCs, unless it is a major investment, so it’s AS or int’l.

Malloy will show up for the opening of a can of beer if it means someone is getting a taxable paycheck out of it within the state.
Sure, he's on his way out but he's desperately trying to not be tagged as running everyone out of the state because of a crappy job market and tax situation.

FA9295 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:16 am

SEA-BDL seems like too long and thin of a route to work IMO, but if there's a financial investment involved, then maybe it could work.

lavalampluva · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:19 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Frontier?

Maybe a new hub. They haven’t tried that in a while.

Fargo · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:25 am

2x weekly BDL-LHR on BA?

Hey, CHS got it......

cledaybuck · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:42 am

Would AS announce at 6:30 am PT?

msycajun · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:51 am

cledaybuck wrote:
Would AS announce at 6:30 am PT?

What would PT have to do with anything if the announcement is at BDL?

I think if I had to put money on it, I'd say AS. They seem to be willing to open new markets if the deal is sweet enough and BDL is certainly willing to open up the checkbook. I couldn't imagine the governor being there for F9, but I am surprised they aren't there.

Jshank83 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:54 am

msycajun wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Would AS announce at 6:30 am PT?

What would PT have to do with anything if the announcement is at BDL?

I think if I had to put money on it, I'd say AS. They seem to be willing to open new markets if the deal is sweet enough and BDL is certainly willing to open up the checkbook. I couldn't imagine the governor being there for F9, but I am surprised they aren't there.

Might depend on how many routes F9 is going to start. Like others said, I wouldn't normally think a Gov would show up for a F9 announcement but it is a small state and it isn't out of his way to go to it. So if they are announcing a handful of destinations then I could see it. Something like JAX/AUS/DEN/MCO

AS to Seattle I think he would for sure show up for though.

spinkid · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:55 am

Norwegian has come and gone already. I doubt he'd be there to announce new service from them even if they did try something.

I can imagine him only appearing if its an airline in a Alliance of some kind.

crescent · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:56 am

F9 flew BDL to MKE and DEN until 2011 and 2008, respectively. Would this count as a new carrier? I don't believe it is AS, so I will go with F9 to either MIA, RDU, or ATL.

gunsontheroof · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:58 am

FA9295 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Governors don’t show up for ULCCs, unless it is a major investment, so it’s AS or int’l.

If it's an investment situation, it's more likely to be International, not sure CT is going to pay much in the way of incentives to AS to come to town. I maybe wrong, but you have a point...

PIT and CMH (maybe some others as well) both have made financial investments into their SEA flights.

It's also worth noting (granted, CMH and PIT are very recent adds) that AS has made SEA-surprise long domestic work. I can't think of any adds (save for MIA, which moved) that they've cut the cord on. Adding BDL seems like something they'd take a swing at if the arrangements looked good.

*edit*
I would add that an add like this seems very in-line with what AS has been up to lately. I think that they see a strong incentive to move on anything from SEA that DL is unlikely to throw metal on, particularly if it's a potential SEA-ATL-xxx routing with potential for a decent non-stop yield.

cledaybuck · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:09 am

msycajun wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Would AS announce at 6:30 am PT?

What would PT have to do with anything if the announcement is at BDL?

I think if I had to put money on it, I'd say AS. They seem to be willing to open new markets if the deal is sweet enough and BDL is certainly willing to open up the checkbook. I couldn't imagine the governor being there for F9, but I am surprised they aren't there.

Because that’s where AS is headquartered. I don’t know if that matters. That’s why I asked.

gunsontheroof · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:13 am

cledaybuck wrote:
msycajun wrote:
cledaybuck wrote:
Would AS announce at 6:30 am PT?

What would PT have to do with anything if the announcement is at BDL?

I think if I had to put money on it, I'd say AS. They seem to be willing to open new markets if the deal is sweet enough and BDL is certainly willing to open up the checkbook. I couldn't imagine the governor being there for F9, but I am surprised they aren't there.

Because that’s where AS is headquartered. I don’t know if that matters. That’s why I asked.

Can't say for certain, but it's possible that AS would just send out a press release and let BDL take the ceremonial end of things (likely with AS reps in attendance).

727LOVER · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:18 am

Fargo wrote:
2x weekly BDL-LHR on BA?

Hey, CHS got it......

I'm going with that one OR

DL to AMS
DL to CDG
UA to SFO

knope2001 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:21 am

Frontier's existing summer schedule has some cities with aircraft flows which have gaps, so it's very likely something is coming. Might be Hartford -- Frontier is running out of new markets to bomb with a crop of new flights. Markets with odd slack in summer include IND and MKE, and BDL-IND / BDL-MKE would be additions which fit Frontier's model. If it is Hartford I'd guess maybe 6-10 new routes with most being two or three days per week.

jplatts · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:35 am

BDL is one of the top domestic destinations traveled to from SEA that isn't currently served nonstop from SEA, and I agree that AS could start service out of BDL.

F9 has been recently re-entering many of the destinations that it previously pulled out of, and I agree that F9 possibly reentering BDL might happen.

shaneam12 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:43 am

FA9295 wrote:
Sun Country and Alaska both announce routes on Tuesdays, IIRC.

I'd be shocked to see SEA-BDL.

Honestly, I wouldn't be. United flies to BDL from SFO and American flies in from LAX iirc, so I don't see why Alaska couldn't do it from SEA.

EvanWSFO · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:47 am

FA9295 wrote:
SEA-BDL seems like too long and thin of a route to work IMO, but if there's a financial investment involved, then maybe it could work.

Maybe a 73G or 319 would give the route a chance to try the market and expand if it works.

asuflyer · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:47 am

My guesses:
DL to AMS, CDG or LHR.
BA to LHR.
DE or LH to FRA.

FA9295 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:08 am

727LOVER wrote:
Fargo wrote:
2x weekly BDL-LHR on BA?

Hey, CHS got it......

I'm going with that one OR

DL to AMS
DL to CDG
UA to SFO

BDL already has UA to SFO.

PVD757 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:30 am

F9 to DEN

spinkid · Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:35 am

I poked around Frontier's Web Site and starting March 28th there is 3X weekly BDL-DEN available to book

FA9295 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:39 am

spinkid wrote:
I poked around Frontier's Web Site and starting March 28th there is 3X weekly BDL-DEN available to book

Interesting. The flight itself shows up on the website, but the "standard" and "discount den fare" both read "not available", which makes me think that the flight was just added into the reservation system.

Novaboy2525 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:13 am

spinkid wrote:
I poked around Frontier's Web Site and starting March 28th there is 3X weekly BDL-DEN available to book

Any other F9 routes available out of BDL? Seems a little tacky for the Governor to show up just to announce 3x weekly service to a city that is already served by UA and WN on a daily basis.

FA9295 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:53 am

Novaboy2525 wrote:
spinkid wrote:
I poked around Frontier's Web Site and starting March 28th there is 3X weekly BDL-DEN available to book

Any other F9 routes available out of BDL? Seems a little tacky for the Governor to show up just to announce 3x weekly service to a city that is already served by UA and WN on a daily basis.

I was gonna say... if the initial announcement is just 3x weekly BDL-DEN, that seems pretty underwhelming...

AntonioMartin · Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:56 am

It might be an international...I don't see much sense for Alaska to fly to Hartford instead of just adding flights to the NYC area or Boston...maybe Ryanair or Norwegian?? Or...long shot but perhaps Jet2?

Jouhou · Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:54 am

FA9295 wrote:
SEA-BDL seems like too long and thin of a route to work IMO, but if there's a financial investment involved, then maybe it could work.

PVD needs service to SEA more than BDL. That corner of CT adjacent to RI is chock full of navy personnel and defense contractors who would love the easy connectivity to the Seattle area. That would be the only justification I could see for BDL getting that route, but PVD would serve that group far better.

gunsontheroof · Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:01 am

Jouhou wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
SEA-BDL seems like too long and thin of a route to work IMO, but if there's a financial investment involved, then maybe it could work.

PVD needs service to SEA more than BDL. That corner of CT adjacent to RI is chock full of navy personnel and defense contractors who would love the easy connectivity to the Seattle area. That would be the only justification I could see for BDL getting that route, but PVD would serve that group far better.

If we're talking USN traffic, SEA-ORF is probably a stronger addition. I suspect AS has kicked the tires on ORF, BDL and PVD and we'll probably see at least one of them launched from SEA sooner than later. Certainly not surprised to see DEN-BDL on F9, though--maybe we'll see them have a go at something else in Hartford, they certainly aren't averse to testing new markets.

Jouhou · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:22 am

gunsontheroof wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
SEA-BDL seems like too long and thin of a route to work IMO, but if there's a financial investment involved, then maybe it could work.

PVD needs service to SEA more than BDL. That corner of CT adjacent to RI is chock full of navy personnel and defense contractors who would love the easy connectivity to the Seattle area. That would be the only justification I could see for BDL getting that route, but PVD would serve that group far better.

If we're talking USN traffic, SEA-ORF is probably a stronger addition. I suspect AS has kicked the tires on ORF, BDL and PVD and we'll probably see at least one of them launched from SEA sooner than later. Certainly not surprised to see DEN-BDL on F9, though--maybe we'll see them have a go at something else in Hartford, they certainly aren't averse to testing new markets.

I know AS benefits from plane loads of usn traffic to SEA and SAN from BOS for this reason, but they could benefit from serving our installations more directly. If pvd would benefit from sea, and yes orf. Up here at psm we probably could keep a flight to SAN alive from PSM (it's our detachment so we share people frequently and freely)

MO11 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:30 pm

Novaboy2525 wrote:
spinkid wrote:
I poked around Frontier's Web Site and starting March 28th there is 3X weekly BDL-DEN available to book

Any other F9 routes available out of BDL? Seems a little tacky for the Governor to show up just to announce 3x weekly service to a city that is already served by UA and WN on a daily basis.

Southwest goes from daily to Saturday-only in January. Does daily service return in the spring?

Novaboy2525 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:45 pm

MO11 wrote:
Novaboy2525 wrote:
spinkid wrote:
I poked around Frontier's Web Site and starting March 28th there is 3X weekly BDL-DEN available to book

Any other F9 routes available out of BDL? Seems a little tacky for the Governor to show up just to announce 3x weekly service to a city that is already served by UA and WN on a daily basis.

Southwest goes from daily to Saturday-only in January. Does daily service return in the spring?

Thursday March 7th, daily service resumes. Right about the timing for this F9 new service. Does BDL really need so many flights to Denver? Does anyone have information on PDEW?

crescent · Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:47 pm

I'd still be surprised AS does this given its recent retrenching, but this article from last week talks up SEA too, along with JAX.

http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/article ... /181219969

The Connecticut Airport Authority (CAA), the quasi-public agency that oversees Bradley, has been pursuing routes to Austin and Jacksonville, Fla., in the south; Milwaukee and Nashville in the Midwest; Seattle on the West Coast; and Jamaica, CAA Executive Director Kevin Dillon said Wednesday.

"By far and away the No. 1 city that we're pursuing … is Seattle," Dillon said, noting the vast array of one-stop connections at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, especially to Asia.

Jacksonville International Airport also ranks high on the priority list, Dillon said. It's the last major city in Florida to which Bradley lacks a route, and would be advantageous for military personnel with connecting flights to the military airport within the Jacksonville Naval Complex.

F27500 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:48 pm

Well that sure was a letdown, wasn't it?

F9 to DEN .. snore.

enilria · Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:55 pm

The governor is coming for 3/wk DEN service on F9?????? Maybe Trump and Angela Merkel are available.

crescent · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:48 pm

The governor is on his way out; he has nothing to do.

crescent · Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:49 pm

> Does BDL really need so many flights to Denver?

Well, it tells you why DEN is UA's most profitable hub- there is a lot of money in connections / flow traffic.

Midwestindy · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:04 pm

enilria wrote:
The governor is coming for 3/wk DEN service on F9?????? Maybe Trump and Angela Merkel are available.

I really don't understand why the airport would even invite the governor to give this announcement, it is an ULCC announcing 3x weekly service on a route that already has daily service from multiple carriers. I could maybe understand if it was AS, but not this

Jouhou · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:10 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
The governor is coming for 3/wk DEN service on F9?????? Maybe Trump and Angela Merkel are available.

I really don't understand why the airport would even invite the governor to give this announcement, it is an ULCC announcing 3x weekly service on a route that already has daily service from multiple carriers. I could maybe understand if it was AS, but not this

It's a tiny state that doesn't see a lot of positive news, I guess.

knope2001 · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:24 pm

Would seem odd for the governor to be there if it is just F9 to DEN, MCO. Thats why I wonder if there will be a flurry of routes mostly 2-3 per week. But we shall know soon.

Midwestindy · Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:28 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Would seem odd for the governor to be there if it is just F9 to DEN, MCO. Thats why I wonder if there will be a flurry of routes mostly 2-3 per week. But we shall know soon.

Nope it is just 3x weekly to DEN: https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loc ... 28232.html

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