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Ripple waves from the implosion of AV Brazil reach AV Argentina

Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:48 pm

Unsavory news a week from Christmas: during a meeting held this AM in Buenos Aires, Avianca Argentina told its pilots it is seeking to reduce their numbers by 30. ATR-72 fleet pilots are the ones being affected (not those from the A320 fleet).

Synergy's AV Brazil is currently under judicial supervision and it appears that operations will be reorganized in Synergy's Avianca Argentina as well: no more ATRs would be added, and all operations would move to the A320.
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Re: Ripple waves from the implosion of AV Brazil reach AV Argentina

Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:14 pm

That comes at a surprise! Would they keep their actual ATR’s?

Any news on EZE-GRU? More A320’s?

Pilots’ union will surely have something to say...
 
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Re: Ripple waves from the implosion of AV Brazil reach AV Argentina

Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:19 pm

marcoantona wrote:
That comes at a surprise! Would they keep their actual ATR’s?

Any news on EZE-GRU? More A320’s?

Pilots’ union will surely have something to say...

Unions cannot do anything if the country allows it, just look what happened @ Colombia.
 
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Re: Ripple waves from the implosion of AV Brazil reach AV Argentina

Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:31 pm

I would also wonder if all Avianca international flying from Brazil would be taken over by other Avianca airlines, except to and from the USA and Europe. The future of Avianca Brasil may well come from the order book of Avianca Colombia with Airbus (Avianca Colombia is able to get better sale-leaseback terms), especially if Avianca can swap its A19N order for BCS3s and add more. As for the ATRs, they might have a better place at Avianca (LR) or Avianca (TA), where they could be more useful for short hops within Central America not counting PTY.

Avianca Group has 17 ATR-72s. The largest collection is in Colombia with 9. Avianca Argentina has 2, Avianca Honduras has 2, and Avianca Guatemala has 4. All of the ATR-72s are owned or financed by Avianca.
 
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Re: Ripple waves from the implosion of AV Brazil reach AV Argentina

Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:59 pm

marcoantona wrote:
That comes at a surprise! Would they keep their actual ATR’s?

Any news on EZE-GRU? More A320’s?

Pilots’ union will surely have something to say...


That is all that is known thus far: 30 pilot positions being cut, either by early retirement ("retiro voluntario") or layoffs ("despido").

The writing for A0 was on the wall all along since AV Brazil imploded. Both are wholly owned by Mr Efromovich and he is knee deep in debt, having just received a loan from United Continental Holdings, secured by his portion of Avianca Holdings.

What could go wrong?
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Re: Ripple waves from the implosion of AV Brazil reach AV Argentina

Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:32 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I would also wonder if all Avianca international flying from Brazil would be taken over by other Avianca airlines, except to and from the USA and Europe. The future of Avianca Brasil may well come from the order book of Avianca Colombia with Airbus (Avianca Colombia is able to get better sale-leaseback terms), especially if Avianca can swap its A19N order for BCS3s and add more. As for the ATRs, they might have a better place at Avianca (LR) or Avianca (TA), where they could be more useful for short hops within Central America not counting PTY.

Avianca Group has 17 ATR-72s. The largest collection is in Colombia with 9. Avianca Argentina has 2, Avianca Honduras has 2, and Avianca Guatemala has 4. All of the ATR-72s are owned or financed by Avianca.


Avianca Brazil was flying only to Chile (other than the US). The Sao Paulo - Bogota flights were operated by AV Brazil for Avianca Colombia. For the time being everything remains the same, save for the GRU-BOG run, where some flights are being downgauged to the A320NEO.

Sao Paulo - Buenos Aires flights were to be operated by Avianca Argentina, but the future status of those is not clear at this time. At best, no date for services given, but there is an A320 CEO at Buenos Aires ready.
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