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TheDutchman92
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JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:25 pm

Firstly hello from Sydney! I'm a long time lurker and first time poster. I've been into planes since I was a child and my fav aircraft is the A330 by a whisker followed by the B767.

I was recently returning from a holiday in Hobart and catching a newly configured 186 pax (1 extra row) Jetstar A320, I found it strange that the FA was blocking passengers from sitting in rows 30 and 31, the aircraft was relatively full and Hobart's single runway is 2750m so by no means a struggle to get airborne. Are JQ that paranoid about a tailstrike that they prevented 2 pax from sitting up back for takeoff? I should note the FA said they could move there as they please after departure.
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:53 am

It was most likely for weight & balance reasons, even in big jets the limits have to be observed.
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:14 am

They may also be keeping those rows open for themselves if the flight isn't full.
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:10 am

If there are any fail to board passengers, normal practice is to do a name page and seat check. Hard to do seat checks when people start swapping seats. Thus easier if everyone stays in their allocated seats until take off.
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:26 am

Sounds like weight and balance issues. 186 seats is a dense configuration and whatever is in the cargo hold could have resulted in a CG issue limiting use of the last two rows.
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:44 am

Adding to the other posters replies (except tb727), airlines have Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs), and cabin crew are required to follow those procedures, and passengers are required to follow cabin crew instructions related to those procedures.. SIMPLE :)
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:00 am

tb727 wrote:
They may also be keeping those rows open for themselves if the flight isn't full.


The OP stated that the FA said that he was welcome to move there after departure. So no, it wasn’t to keep it to themselves for the flight.

As most others have posted, it was most likely for weight and balance. It’s not uncommon, and certainly not unique to JQ.

At the airline I fly for (in the US), working FA’s occupying a customer seat at any point of the flight is strictly forbidden.
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:14 am

NASBWI wrote:
tb727 wrote:
At the airline I fly for (in the US), working FA’s occupying a customer seat at any point of the flight is strictly forbidden.


Jetstar crew do not have the time to take a passenger seat !!
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:28 am

I noticed that on JQ NZ domestic flight last year. They prevented some pax from moving to the last row which was empty citing W&B. Maybe just airline policy.
 
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Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:29 am

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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:33 am

It was standard on all Ryanair flights when they had free seating and was the front and rearmost rows. I imagine it’s a similar thing. When out of trim it’s easier to move passengers then it is bags and cargo.
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:20 am

Thanks for the responses all! I have never witnessed this before so was curious. I just would have thought it would be less pertinent on a 320 than a 321 due to the rotation angle being more forgiving.

So in summary I can gather from the replies:

- it's for the sake of SoPs, no point only following them half the time.
- it saves extra calcs the pilot/ FO would have to do re trim
- it's for passenger manifest interrogation.
- it's that extra redundancy that is crucial in aviation.
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:14 am

NASBWI wrote:
tb727 wrote:
They may also be keeping those rows open for themselves if the flight isn't full.


At the airline I fly for (in the US), working FA’s occupying a customer seat at any point of the flight is strictly forbidden.


I guess I work for a pretty laid back airline. Sorry I came off not knowing what I was talking about as I missed the last sentence in the post somehow.

It was most likely for WB but there are always other circumstances. As far as SOP goes, some operators allow pax to mover after takeoff but then require them to be back in their assigned seats for landing.
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:19 am

TheDutchman92 wrote:
Firstly hello from Sydney! I'm a long time lurker and first time poster. I've been into planes since I was a child and my fav aircraft is the A330 by a whisker followed by the B767.

I was recently returning from a holiday in Hobart and catching a newly configured 186 pax (1 extra row) Jetstar A320, I found it strange that the FA was blocking passengers from sitting in rows 30 and 31, the aircraft was relatively full and Hobart's single runway is 2750m so by no means a struggle to get airborne. Are JQ that paranoid about a tailstrike that they prevented 2 pax from sitting up back for takeoff? I should note the FA said they could move there as they please after departure.


Is this after the runway extension?
If so, I’m pretty sure you can land (takeoff?) a 777 here at HBA.
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:53 am

NASBWI wrote:
tb727 wrote:
They may also be keeping those rows open for themselves if the flight isn't full.


The OP stated that the FA said that he was welcome to move there after departure. So no, it wasn’t to keep it to themselves for the flight.

As most others have posted, it was most likely for weight and balance. It’s not uncommon, and certainly not unique to JQ.

At the airline I fly for (in the US), working FA’s occupying a customer seat at any point of the flight is strictly forbidden.



Yes that’s right after you get into the air the planes uses fuel which allows for people to occupy those seats when airborne it’s standard procedure to move pax too where they need to be to offweight a zone or section when the captain puts into the computer pax weight half weights luggage etc cargo to move the pax too areas to balance them things change as gas is used or they wouldn’t need fuel to fly the plane......
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:22 am

Ryanair used to block more forward than rear rows. The very front (extra legroom) weren’t usually blocked. Passengers started to complain about the empty seats and being squashed together in the centre. The assumption was that it made cabin service easier. Ryanair wrote in the in-flight catalogue that it was for optimum weight & balance and reduced fuel burn. I’m not sure how true the fuel burn aspect is.
 
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:17 am

When JQ first started c.2004/2005 they had an open seating policy. It was quite common for them to block seats off with these orange belts (similar material to a seat belt IIRC) feed around the armrests.
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Re: JQ tailstrike paranoia or industry practice?

Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:45 pm

Is this after the runway extension?
If so, I’m pretty sure you can land (takeoff?) a 777 here at HBA.[/quote]

Not sure if it has been extended, but 2750 is the current length and a 744 arrived and departed their recently (departed light fuel and no pax).

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