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Gatwick drone closures

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:11 pm

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uta999
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:17 pm

Diversions to Liverpool, Manchester, East Midlands and Stansted. I think one even went to LHR.

Norwegian JFK - LGW just landed in Liverpool.
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:20 pm

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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:23 pm

uta999 wrote:
Diversions to Liverpool, Manchester, East Midlands and Stansted. I think one even went to LHR.

Norwegian JFK - LGW just landed in Liverpool.


At least one went to AMS.

https://twitter.com/LivvyABarnes/status ... 5765053442
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:28 pm

My god that is a lot of diversions, dozens of them all over the place :shock:
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:30 pm

They seem to be diverting all over the place tonight, quite a few gone to CDG as well. Must cause an absolute nightmare for the schedulers tomorrow with so many aircraft and crews out of position for tomorrow mornings flights.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:39 pm

BA2272 JFK - LGW cancelled.

Seriously?
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:44 pm

A3801000 wrote:
BA2272 JFK - LGW cancelled.

Seriously?


It's still closed, inbound flights are straight up diverting mid flight. Why it's still closed when the news broke 2 hours ago I can not tell you.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:47 pm

Aren't there any skeet or trap shooters left in merry ole England? That's what they get for gun control! :)
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:48 pm

Armodeen wrote:
A3801000 wrote:
BA2272 JFK - LGW cancelled.

Seriously?


It's still closed, inbound flights are straight up diverting mid flight. Why it's still closed when the news broke 2 hours ago I can not tell you.


Maybe they are still around or they are investigating? I doubt they are keeping a major airport closed for no reason.

The culprits should be thrown into a GE90. Unreal how stupid people can be.
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:50 pm

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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:06 am

One of the LGW Leader vehicles has been sweeping every runway, taxiway, ramp and access road, across the entire field.

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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:28 am

Now it is getting weird. Some unverified reports of more drones taking of. As in a orchestrated disruption.
No drone battery keeps that long anyway.
Weird.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:44 am

johns624 wrote:
Aren't there any skeet or trap shooters left in merry ole England? That's what they get for gun control! :)


Aye, its rubbish. A lot less school shootings though.

I think there might be more to this story than 2 drones.....
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:01 am

Reports off drones still above Gatwick. Airport still closed.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:07 am

 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:20 am

Please be aware the above video is not the drone. It is however the police helicopter searching the area. Which it has been for the last 4 hours.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:24 am

LTN12 wrote:
Please be aware the above video is not the drone. It is however the police helicopter searching the area. Which it has been for the last 4 hours.


I can't judge. The guy who filmed it said this :"It didn’t move like a police helicopter, that was what I thought at first but the movement was really smooth and slow"
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:28 am

Because it’s hovering and moving slowly at low altitude to identify these drones. I live a stones throw from LGW and have been watching the Heli out my window
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:30 am

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Because it’s hovering and moving slowly at low altitude to identify these drones. I live a stones throw from LGW and have been watching the Heli out my window

Have you been able to see any other interesting or noteworthy activity?
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:34 am

LTN12 wrote:
Because it’s hovering and moving slowly at low altitude to identify these drones. I live a stones throw from LGW and have been watching the Heli out my window


Do you own any drones? :whistleblower: :mrgreen:
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:35 am

Nope, other than the Police Heli is still over the airport. And it’s raining sideways...
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:37 am

LTN12 wrote:
Because it’s hovering and moving slowly at low altitude to identify these drones. I live a stones throw from LGW and have been watching the Heli out my window


Cool. Guy on Twitter says this:

"I don't work for the airlines but I litreally work opposite in a tall enough building to see the airfield. These drones at Gatwick are not the little silly toy ones. They are the real deal top of the range models. We have been watching them from the top windows and roof of the building. Pretty sure we've seen 7 different drones from our rooftop'

Believable?
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:56 am

Anyone need a new alternative for clay pigeon shooting?
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:01 am

I presume this would mean the end for drones?
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:10 am

Sad to say they need to be licensed. Hopefully the protesters will be jailed for endangering lives needlessly like that.
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:31 am

Still closed. BY4315 PFA - LGW diverted to LPL right now. All airports closer are full or closed?
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:48 am

Unconfirmed report of the possibility of another drone sighted around 02:30 by railway staff working on the platforms of Gatwick Station.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:31 am

After 6 hours LGW just re-opened at 3 am local time.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:35 am

Antarius wrote:
Armodeen wrote:
A3801000 wrote:
BA2272 JFK - LGW cancelled.

Seriously?


It's still closed, inbound flights are straight up diverting mid flight. Why it's still closed when the news broke 2 hours ago I can not tell you.


Maybe they are still around or they are investigating? I doubt they are keeping a major airport closed for no reason.

The culprits should be thrown into a GE90. Unreal how stupid people can be.


Those culprits doesn’t deserve a GE90. They can just sell themselves to repay all passengers and airlines and airports every cent of loss they cost.
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:26 am

Closed again:

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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:46 am

Could someone train one or more falcons to snag those drones in mid-air?
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:01 am

SkyVoice wrote:
Could someone train one or more falcons to snag those drones in mid-air?


Dutch police tried:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/12/167 ... gue-drones

'The eagles wouldn’t always do what they were trained to do, and the police also doubted if the birds would perform well outside of their controlled training environment.'

I just can't believe that LGW is still closed, newest info is till 8 am UTC, this is 11 hours.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:02 am

I'm curious how do they detect these drones? Annonymous reporting?

How close and high are these drones flying?

There is a big difference to flying directly in the flight path and some kid 3km from the airport flying in his backyard and never going above tree height.

I fly drones and 99% of my drone flying is below 20m altitude. I use it for fairly close up photography but from an elevated perspective. I dont even look to see if the area is restricted because I see no risk.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:35 am

Its time to charge anyone caught using a done within 5km of an airport to be charged with recklessly endangering an aircraft or what ever offence each country has, which is normally used if someone was to run at the cockpit or claim to have a bomb. Carries a 15 year maximum in most Australian states.

As a pilot dones are my biggest concern, not birds, not terrorists, not engine failures.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:42 am

Normal drone batteries last maybe 20 minutes, hydrogen drones maybe 4 hours. Somebody went to great length to do this.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:53 am

If this is a protest, strange nobody is taking credit.. The whole point is to get your name out while there's the most publicity possible so during the morning news shows would be it.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:35 am

Probably a case of fire cover. Most regional airports only have cover for aircraft up to a 737 (or 787) because that's all they normally get - most can increase for larger aircraft but need notice to roster more firefighters.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:55 am

log0008 wrote:
Its time to charge anyone caught using a done within 5km of an airport to be charged with recklessly endangering an aircraft


So anyone living near an airport should be inconvenienced just because airlines and airport operators are lazy cheapskates? Flying drones isn't a right, but neither is flying an airliner or running an airport.

Drones can be detected by thermal imaging and millimetric radar. If Gatwick had those systems installed then they wouldn't have had a police helicopter blocking the airspace on a fruitless search for phantom drones.

So why doesn't Gatwick have drone detection systems? Because that costs money, and it's cheaper to cajole politicians into kneejerk legislation instead.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:04 am

As a reminder:

NATS Gatwick drone incident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0rfFFZ332k
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:04 am

Given the most recent sighting was 7am UTC - it sounds like organised disruption. Kids would have legged it when it became obvious the police were looking for them.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:07 am

log0008 wrote:
Its time to charge anyone caught using a done within 5km of an airport to be charged with recklessly endangering an aircraft or what ever offence each country has, which is normally used if someone was to run at the cockpit or claim to have a bomb. Carries a 15 year maximum in most Australian states.

As a pilot dones are my biggest concern, not birds, not terrorists, not engine failures.

So a kid 4.8km from an airport who flew a drone 20 metres in the air should get 15 years jail?

If there was a collision the pilot in the manned aircraft would be the only one going to jail. Flying a Cessna 20 metres above the ground in a residential area is highly dangerous. The Cessna could easily hit a tree or power lines at that altitude.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:16 am

Latest per LGW Chief Operating Officer on tv is that airport will remain closed until the drone is brought down. Being classed as a deliberate act of sabotage.

I am booked JER to LGW today to connect to Krakov for Christmas from LHR tomorrow. And tonight's ferry Jersey to Portsmouth is delayed 7 hours due to wind waves and tides!!
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:36 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Latest per LGW Chief Operating Officer on tv is that airport will remain closed until the drone is brought down. Being classed as a deliberate act of sabotage.


Now at daylight it should be easy to find any drones.

Were there ever real drones flying or is this only a type of mass hysteria?

Which drone can fly for such a long time?
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:44 am

Heinkel wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Latest per LGW Chief Operating Officer on tv is that airport will remain closed until the drone is brought down. Being classed as a deliberate act of sabotage.


Now at daylight it should be easy to find any drones.

Were there ever real drones flying or is this only a type of mass hysteria?

Which drone can fly for such a long time?


There is a video of the drone so it was real.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:45 am

johns624 wrote:
Aren't there any skeet or trap shooters left in merry ole England? That's what they get for gun control! :)


Sorry. It is tea time here.
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:56 am

Still no aircraft movements around LGW on FR24, only ground vehicles. Also, no planes are lined up for landing, so LGW must still be closed. A family member is flying out this afternoon with D8, and at first the flight was delayed 2:50 hours, but then all of a sudden on time, only to be delayed an hour again.

Regarding eliminating drones, there has been no need for that in the past since those incidents have been (as far as I know) "only" stupid kids trying to record a really cool video once or twice. This seems (?) like a deliberate act to stop operations at LGW. If that is the case, or drone incidents in the future show the same length in their disruption of operations, I'm quite certain measures will be taken to bring them down. Skeet shooters may not be the best countermeasure though as bullets tend to fall to the ground if they miss their target and may cause fatalities. If the drone threat becomes too disruptive, other, more precise, methods will be developed. How about a drone-seeking drone with the ability to send out a local EMP pulse or simply jam known frequency bands of drone remotes? Then again, an advanced drone will return home if radio contact is lost, so EMP might be the best way.

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...or just follow it to the drone operator!
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:00 am

Police dogs and armed response on scene.
 
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:02 am

FredrikHAD wrote:
Still no aircraft movements around LGW on FR24, only ground vehicles. Also, no planes are lined up for landing, so LGW must still be closed. A family member is flying out this afternoon with D8, and at first the flight was delayed 2:50 hours, but then all of a sudden on time, only to be delayed an hour again.

Regarding eliminating drones, there has been no need for that in the past since those incidents have been (as far as I know) "only" stupid kids trying to record a really cool video once or twice. This seems (?) like a deliberate act to stop operations at LGW. If that is the case, or drone incidents in the future show the same length in their disruption of operations, I'm quite certain measures will be taken to bring them down. Skeet shooters may not be the best countermeasure though as bullets tend to fall to the ground if they miss their target and may cause fatalities. If the drone threat becomes too disruptive, other, more precise, methods will be developed. How about a drone-seeking drone with the ability to send out a local EMP pulse or simply jam known frequency bands of drone remotes? Then again, an advanced drone will return home if radio contact is lost, so EMP might be the best way.

/Fredrik


Wouldn't the EMP take out the drone-seeking drone too :P?
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Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:09 am

User001 wrote:
There is a video of the drone so it was real.


Have you looked at the video?

On the video you can see a moving light in the far distance, where a police helicopter operates. That is evidence for a drone????

Until now there is no evidence, that there really has been a drone or more.

If you have any evidence. please let me know. And don't mention the video with the light in the dark.
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