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Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:43 pm

426QX is in TUS undergoing C checks in preparation for a return to service. 3-5 stored Q400s are expected to be placed back in service to help cover the AS flying shortage alongside the new E175s
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:09 am

What AS flying shortage? I wasn’t aware of this is it possible someone could fill me in?
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:29 am

Talk about a step backwards. Bringing back Q400s is something to be proud of?
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:17 am

kabq737 wrote:
What AS flying shortage? I wasn’t aware of this is it possible someone could fill me in?


There was/is a serious pilot shortage starting (I think?) mid-2017 or so that led to flights being dropped from the schedule, some of which have yet to be added again.

QX still serves a lot of little destinations in the Northwest that aren't economical for anything but a Q400, which certainly beats having no service at all... but there are other routes where they are up against carriers on much better/newer equipment. Seems like they're going to have to start freeing up E175s to compete in those markets at some point.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:28 am

metaldirtnskin wrote:
kabq737 wrote:
What AS flying shortage? I wasn’t aware of this is it possible someone could fill me in?


There was/is a serious pilot shortage starting (I think?) mid-2017 or so that led to flights being dropped from the schedule, some of which have yet to be added again.

QX still serves a lot of little destinations in the Northwest that aren't economical for anything but a Q400, which certainly beats having no service at all... but there are other routes where they are up against carriers on much better/newer equipment. Seems like they're going to have to start freeing up E175s to compete in those markets at some point.

Ah that makes more sense. Since the OP said AS flying shortage I wasn’t thinking of the QX staffing issues. Thanks for getting me back on the right track.
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:30 am

F27500 wrote:
Talk about a step backwards. Bringing back Q400s is something to be proud of?


Honestly...lol.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:44 am

kabq737 wrote:
metaldirtnskin wrote:
kabq737 wrote:
What AS flying shortage? I wasn’t aware of this is it possible someone could fill me in?


There was/is a serious pilot shortage starting (I think?) mid-2017 or so that led to flights being dropped from the schedule, some of which have yet to be added again.

QX still serves a lot of little destinations in the Northwest that aren't economical for anything but a Q400, which certainly beats having no service at all... but there are other routes where they are up against carriers on much better/newer equipment. Seems like they're going to have to start freeing up E175s to compete in those markets at some point.

Ah that makes more sense. Since the OP said AS flying shortage I wasn’t thinking of the QX staffing issues. Thanks for getting me back on the right track.


From what I’ve been told it’s an issue on the AS side this time, with QX E175s picking up some of the slack. The returning Q400s are covering for the 175s
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:50 am

They may also be bringing back some of Q400's to cover the E-175s that are being allocated to the PAE flights.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:55 am

That explains the movement in a/c at the huge hangar in TUS...
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:39 am

F27500 wrote:
Talk about a step backwards. Bringing back Q400s is something to be proud of?


Oh stop it.
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:25 am

Well, they did have to replace one. :duck:
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:33 am

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Well, they did have to replace one. :duck:


To be fair, I'm pretty sure they just didn't end up retiring/returning one they had originally planned to.
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:36 am

So now AS mainline is having staffing issues? Seems like with the VX/AS merger they would have ended up with spare staffing with the overlapping routes that saw some cuts as well as some other routes that were scaled back.

I haven't really heard of much mainline staffing issues at other US carriers... I know it has been mentioned as a future problem, but if this is true, this might be the first sign of a more immediate problem.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:59 am

Figures. This is what happens when you have management content with being the fifth best in terms of pilot pay. The ~3,000 block hour reduction system wide in February doesn’t help.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:08 am

MKEdude wrote:
Well, they did have to replace one. :duck:


Low blow. Very low blow.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:24 pm

DarthLobster wrote:
MKEdude wrote:
Well, they did have to replace one. :duck:


Low blow. Very low blow.


oh, stop it.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:45 pm

F27500 wrote:
Talk about a step backwards. Bringing back Q400s is something to be proud of?


It's a business decision... who cares about pride??
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:47 pm

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They may also be bringing back some of Q400's to cover the E-175s that are being allocated to the PAE flights.


Ding ding ding....you win the prize! More new E175's are on the way but it was hard to predict when they'd have to be allocated to PAE flying.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:49 pm

Pride is irrelevant and the Q's aren't a bad plane. On shorter flights, it doesn't matter whether or not it has FC or the extra legroom rows.

Unfortunately, AS management isn't handling the changes in service and shifts in flights as well as airlines like DL so scrambling to bring back the Qs is the only option. They frankly should've ordered more E175s but that's water under the bridge at this point.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:15 pm

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Pride is irrelevant and the Q's aren't a bad plane. On shorter flights, it doesn't matter whether or not it has FC or the extra legroom rows.

Unfortunately, AS management isn't handling the changes in service and shifts in flights as well as airlines like DL so scrambling to bring back the Qs is the only option. They frankly should've ordered more E175s but that's water under the bridge at this point.


Total e175 count at OO/QX is 54 not including the three more in entry prep at OKC. That makes it the 3rd largest fleet type at air group behind only the 737-800 and 737-900. I am not sure how many more their could bring on property before the mainline pilots start to complain.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:22 pm

SonomaFlyer wrote:
Pride is irrelevant and the Q's aren't a bad plane. On shorter flights, it doesn't matter whether or not it has FC or the extra legroom rows.

Unfortunately, AS management isn't handling the changes in service and shifts in flights as well as airlines like DL so scrambling to bring back the Qs is the only option. They frankly should've ordered more E175s but that's water under the bridge at this point.


60+ between QX and OO seems like a lot of additional lift, even accounting for CR7 and Q retirements. But in principal I agree that it’s been a little wonky the past few years.
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:23 pm

alasizon wrote:
To be fair, I'm pretty sure they just didn't end up retiring/returning one they had originally planned to.


Nope, they brought one (N447QX) back from the desert just a couple of days after the infamous incident:

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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:31 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
F27500 wrote:
Talk about a step backwards. Bringing back Q400s is something to be proud of?


Oh stop it.


At least their are not bringing back the AS DC-9-80's....
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:34 pm

gmcc wrote:
SonomaFlyer wrote:
Pride is irrelevant and the Q's aren't a bad plane. On shorter flights, it doesn't matter whether or not it has FC or the extra legroom rows.

Unfortunately, AS management isn't handling the changes in service and shifts in flights as well as airlines like DL so scrambling to bring back the Qs is the only option. They frankly should've ordered more E175s but that's water under the bridge at this point.


Total e175 count at OO/QX is 54 not including the three more in entry prep at OKC. That makes it the 3rd largest fleet type at air group behind only the 737-800 and 737-900. I am not sure how many more their could bring on property before the mainline pilots start to complain.


I don't think AS pilots have a SCOPE clause in their contract so the only limit to the number of a/c are pilots to fly the frames.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:04 am

Correctomundo.

SonomaFlyer wrote:
gmcc wrote:
SonomaFlyer wrote:
Pride is irrelevant and the Q's aren't a bad plane. On shorter flights, it doesn't matter whether or not it has FC or the extra legroom rows.

Unfortunately, AS management isn't handling the changes in service and shifts in flights as well as airlines like DL so scrambling to bring back the Qs is the only option. They frankly should've ordered more E175s but that's water under the bridge at this point.


Total e175 count at OO/QX is 54 not including the three more in entry prep at OKC. That makes it the 3rd largest fleet type at air group behind only the 737-800 and 737-900. I am not sure how many more their could bring on property before the mainline pilots start to complain.


I don't think AS pilots have a SCOPE clause in their contract so the only limit to the number of a/c are pilots to fly the frames.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:25 am

Just take the 100 e2s Skywest has on order! I would think the a320s could cover a lot since they’ve really trimmed back the VX network.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:52 pm

There are also a/c upgrades occurring next spring that are freeing up some E-175s. SAN is seeing 2 flight lines (MSP, AUS + SJC) being upgraded to mainline so that's 2 "new" EMJs available in March/April. I'm sure this is happening to some degree system-wide at AAG. (And yes, I'm sure there are some "downgrades" happening as well.)

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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:22 pm

d8s wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
F27500 wrote:
Talk about a step backwards. Bringing back Q400s is something to be proud of?


Oh stop it.


At least their are not bringing back the AS DC-9-80's....


Bringing back the CRJ700s would certainly have been an improvement over the "Q"400 (and theres nothing "Q" about them). Awful planes to ride a long flight on.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:25 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Just take the 100 e2s Skywest has on order! I would think the a320s could cover a lot since they’ve really trimmed back the VX network.

I think if i remember right skywest isn't allowed due to their delta contract to fly planes that don't fit delta scope so i don't think that is possible. However horizon would be able to fly e2 and that's what makes me really curious about any follow up order from Alaska for 175s(which i think should be coming soon), if it goes e2 that might break open the dam. It'd also be the perfect replacement for the q400 as much as I'd hate to see them go.
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:46 pm

The E2 would be horible for short hopping like the Q does.. there is zero economical bonus for the 175E2. Might as well goe 190/5 E2zz
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:12 pm

Sounds like almost every add to the revised AS DAL schedule are QX operated flights, I suspect this with the PAE adds will take up quite a few frames. QX doesn't want to get caught short in the summer, I suspect this is forward planning.
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:07 pm

F27500 wrote:
Talk about a step backwards. Bringing back Q400s is something to be proud of?

Are you one of those guys who think prop = old tech = unsafe???

Thankfully facts are not on your side...
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:58 am

iceberg210 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Just take the 100 e2s Skywest has on order! I would think the a320s could cover a lot since they’ve really trimmed back the VX network.

I think if i remember right skywest isn't allowed due to their delta contract to fly planes that don't fit delta scope so i don't think that is possible. However horizon would be able to fly e2 and that's what makes me really curious about any follow up order from Alaska for 175s(which i think should be coming soon), if it goes e2 that might break open the dam. It'd also be the perfect replacement for the q400 as much as I'd hate to see them go.


Does OO still have Mitsubishi RJ's on order?
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:03 am

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Figures. This is what happens when you have management content with being the fifth best in terms of pilot pay. The ~3,000 block hour reduction system wide in February doesn’t help.


Who would you nominate to be fifth best?
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:34 pm

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Sounds like almost every add to the revised AS DAL schedule are QX operated flights, I suspect this with the PAE adds will take up quite a few frames. QX doesn't want to get caught short in the summer, I suspect this is forward planning.

I'm curious to see if SAN might again see some Q service? We've had none on our skeds since this past May. I'd love to see a few additional intra-CA routes from SAN and I'd be perfectly happy if they happened on Qs.

I have mentioned elsewhere that another source of additional EMJ frames (for PAE for example) is from upgrades on existing routes from EMJs to mainline; I know for a fact that next March/April, SAN will see 2 complete daily EMJ flight lines become mainline aircraft.

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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:30 pm

SANFan wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Sounds like almost every add to the revised AS DAL schedule are QX operated flights, I suspect this with the PAE adds will take up quite a few frames. QX doesn't want to get caught short in the summer, I suspect this is forward planning.

I'm curious to see if SAN might again see some Q service? We've had none on our skeds since this past May. I'd love to see a few additional intra-CA routes from SAN and I'd be perfectly happy if they happened on Qs.

I have mentioned elsewhere that another source of additional EMJ frames (for PAE for example) is from upgrades on existing routes from EMJs to mainline; I know for a fact that next March/April, SAN will see 2 complete daily EMJ flight lines become mainline aircraft.

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If loads out of PAE turns out to be successful and AS manages to get enough consistent data and "full" airplanes, I think they will introduce mainline aircraft...I would take a WAG at a year.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:40 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
iceberg210 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Just take the 100 e2s Skywest has on order! I would think the a320s could cover a lot since they’ve really trimmed back the VX network.

I think if i remember right skywest isn't allowed due to their delta contract to fly planes that don't fit delta scope so i don't think that is possible. However horizon would be able to fly e2 and that's what makes me really curious about any follow up order from Alaska for 175s(which i think should be coming soon), if it goes e2 that might break open the dam. It'd also be the perfect replacement for the q400 as much as I'd hate to see them go.


Does OO still have Mitsubishi RJ's on order?


It looks like they do

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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:43 pm

My mom lives in the up-and-coming wine country of Washington (ALW) and citizens are up in arms because QX was going to reduce flights SEA-ALW because of aircraft shortage. Pax can still fly in and out of PSC new terminal but that means another hour drive. People upset about bringing back Q400s don't seem to understand some smaller communities want some kind of service and can get butts in the seats.
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:46 pm

seb146 wrote:
My mom lives in the up-and-coming wine country of Washington (ALW) and citizens are up in arms because QX was going to reduce flights SEA-ALW because of aircraft shortage. Pax can still fly in and out of PSC new terminal but that means another hour drive. People upset about bringing back Q400s don't seem to understand some smaller communities want some kind of service and can get butts in the seats.


Yes...I agree. The smaller communities here in the PNW really depend on the QX for their travel (and some shipping) needs. It seems like QX (over time) have been closing some of these smaller communities like BTM and LWS (unfortunately). The return of Q400's for these smaller communities is a Godsend...it keeps these communities alive.

It would be hopeful that an airline (like Contour) could help open other small communities up here (like what PenAir attempted to do). Then they could codeshare with AS or DL.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:33 am

SANFan wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Sounds like almost every add to the revised AS DAL schedule are QX operated flights, I suspect this with the PAE adds will take up quite a few frames. QX doesn't want to get caught short in the summer, I suspect this is forward planning.

I'm curious to see if SAN might again see some Q service? We've had none on our skeds since this past May. I'd love to see a few additional intra-CA routes from SAN and I'd be perfectly happy if they happened on Qs.

I have mentioned elsewhere that another source of additional EMJ frames (for PAE for example) is from upgrades on existing routes from EMJs to mainline; I know for a fact that next March/April, SAN will see 2 complete daily EMJ flight lines become mainline aircraft.

bb


Hey B, I wondered why QX pulled so much Intra-California flying on the Q-400, from everything I had heard was that AS was still trying to find a place in secondary markets for the Q-400 within California, giving AAG some metrics to the huge market that California is. I feel the Q-400's are done down south & remaining Q-400 operations will be PNW based.

I figured it was because QX had decided to keep just two Q bases, allowing easy & more flexible last minute scheduling. Plus SAN seems to be just perfect for the number of routes offered by AAG on the E-175, I am sure SAN warrants the F cabin & I am pleased to see that AS is forging East while WN is trying so hard to get their HI flights going. .

I noticed that at least for spring next year, AS has replaced one Q-400 r/t with the ERJ-175 SEA-MFR, I also noticed that instead of a mainline RON at RDM, AS switches to a mid-day r/t on a 738 from SEA.

Also SEA-PDX has dropped from 25 or so departures each way, to a mere 16, but now there are once again mainline jets flying to SEA 3 x daily on AS, 1 x 739, 1 x 738 & 1 x 320. there are an additional 3 ERJ-175 flights (all QX operated).
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

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wedgetail737 wrote:
SANFan wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
Sounds like almost every add to the revised AS DAL schedule are QX operated flights, I suspect this with the PAE adds will take up quite a few frames. QX doesn't want to get caught short in the summer, I suspect this is forward planning.

I'm curious to see if SAN might again see some Q service? We've had none on our skeds since this past May. I'd love to see a few additional intra-CA routes from SAN and I'd be perfectly happy if they happened on Qs.

I have mentioned elsewhere that another source of additional EMJ frames (for PAE for example) is from upgrades on existing routes from EMJs to mainline; I know for a fact that next March/April, SAN will see 2 complete daily EMJ flight lines become mainline aircraft.

bb


If loads out of PAE turns out to be successful and AS manages to get enough consistent data and "full" airplanes, I think they will introduce mainline aircraft...I would take a WAG at a year.


I'm going to agree with you, by far AS has the best chance of being the first mainline operator, even if it's an A-319. I'd expect the RON at PDX would be the first, but we shall see what the first route adjustments will be by summertime.
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:14 am

WayexTDI wrote:
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Talk about a step backwards. Bringing back Q400s is something to be proud of?

Are you one of those guys who think prop = old tech = unsafe???

Thankfully facts are not on your side...


Unsafe? Not in the least … in fact, look at my screen name ;)

Its just that the Q400 is not an airplane to be proud of nowadays. Nor are ATRs. They are rapidly becoming the Shorts 360s and 1900s of the airline industry.

Props are safe ..we know that. But Horizon should be looking ahead now .. not backward. Props are on their way out .. so should these Q400s be .. and NOT coming back. They're cramped, noisy, they vibrate badly, they have small commuter-plane sized seats, no running water in the lavs … and are used on 2+ hour flights .. that's NOT gonna win passengers over.

Time to park the props … move on up now.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:17 am

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Horizon should be looking ahead now .. not backward. Props are on their way out .. so should these Q400s be .. and NOT coming back.


You make it sound as if the Q400s coming back will be part of the long-term fleet strategy; they're not. These birds returning to the fleet are for short-term lift only and will be replaced with E175s.
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:29 am

SonomaFlyer wrote:
Pride is irrelevant and the Q's aren't a bad plane. On shorter flights, it doesn't matter whether or not it has FC or the extra legroom rows.

Unfortunately, AS management isn't handling the changes in service and shifts in flights as well as airlines like DL so scrambling to bring back the Qs is the only option. They frankly should've ordered more E175s but that's water under the bridge at this point.


True. Shorter flights are fine. But they are using them on long sectors too -- like 2.5 hours (or more in the case of airlines like Porter who do 3+ hr legs in them). That is NOT what a Dash 8 -or any prop- should be used for. This is not 1959.
 
F27500
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:43 am

EA CO AS wrote:
F27500 wrote:
Horizon should be looking ahead now .. not backward. Props are on their way out .. so should these Q400s be .. and NOT coming back.


You make it sound as if the Q400s coming back will be part of the long-term fleet strategy; they're not. These birds returning to the fleet are for short-term lift only and will be replaced with E175s.


Understood. The E175s are amazing birds .. love them.
 
PlanesNTrains
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:46 am

F27500 wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
F27500 wrote:
Horizon should be looking ahead now .. not backward. Props are on their way out .. so should these Q400s be .. and NOT coming back.


You make it sound as if the Q400s coming back will be part of the long-term fleet strategy; they're not. These birds returning to the fleet are for short-term lift only and will be replaced with E175s.


Understood. The E175s are amazing birds .. love them.


And they have literally multiple dozens of them coming in. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
-Dave


MAX’d out on MAX threads. If you are starting a thread, and it’s about the MAX - stop. There’s already a thread that covers it.
 
Beatyair
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:05 am

Good, the Q400 is a great plane.
 
DarthLobster
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:45 pm

Beatyair wrote:
Good, the Q400 is a great plane.


By what standard? It’s disliked by passengers, flight crews, and maintenance alike.
 
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:45 pm

DarthLobster wrote:
Beatyair wrote:
Good, the Q400 is a great plane.


By what standard? It’s disliked by passengers, flight crews, and maintenance alike.



It's dangerous to make all encompassing statements. For the type of aircraft it is, I have found the 400 to a comfortable, economical, and an efficient regional ride. If you want to talk about passenger "dislike", then let's talk about the Metroliner.
 
PlanesNTrains
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Re: Horizon Air reactivates retired Q400s

Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:16 am

BoardMember wrote:
DarthLobster wrote:
Beatyair wrote:
Good, the Q400 is a great plane.


By what standard? It’s disliked by passengers, flight crews, and maintenance alike.



It's dangerous to make all encompassing statements. For the type of aircraft it is, I have found the 400 to a comfortable, economical, and an efficient regional ride. If you want to talk about passenger "dislike", then let's talk about the Metroliner.


I’ve never flown on a Q400, and see no reason they’d be a problem for AS if kept on shorter routes, but I do miss the spotting at SEA in the 80’s with the Metros, F27s and F28s.
-Dave


MAX’d out on MAX threads. If you are starting a thread, and it’s about the MAX - stop. There’s already a thread that covers it.

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