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Norwegian to postpone 787 pilot training program

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:41 am
by LupineChemist
A pilot I follow on Twitter posted the following letter and it looks like Norwegian is going to be culling the pilot ranks.

https://twitter.com/Golfcharlie232/stat ... 7478295552

Direct link to image:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du71NWMW0AAn-gQ.jpg

Re: Norwegian to lay off 787 pilots

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:05 pm
by VSMUT
It doesn't look like they are laying off any pilots currently flying the 787. They refer to 2019 courses, ergo probably pilots who were hired or internally upgraded (or received notice of successfully passing the interview), with the plan to induct them on the 787 line-course in 2019.

Re: Norwegian to lay off 787 pilots

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:20 pm
by LupineChemist
VSMUT wrote:
It doesn't look like they are laying off any pilots currently flying the 787. They refer to 2019 courses, ergo probably pilots who were hired or internally upgraded (or received notice of successfully passing the interview), with the plan to induct them on the 787 line-course in 2019.


Still seems odd given the whole idea of their strategy being viable is to grow into profitability. Without the growth the whole house of cards comes down, though that may be happening sooner rather than later if other rumors turn out to be true. (namely that they have reengaged with IAG for talks)

Re: Norwegian to lay off 787 pilots

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:27 pm
by Rajahdhani
So, are we going to be seeing Norwegian defer 787 deliveries?

Or, are pilots going to be coming in/on to fly, but just from other locations/tracks (not internal promotions)?

Of a side note - if Norwegian transfers aircraft (from DU {"Long Haul"} to DI {"Air UK Ltd"}) do those pilots count as one employee pool? Or could we see a shift in aircraft display as a layoff at one branch, and hiring at that other?

Re: Norwegian to lay off 787 pilots

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:11 pm
by anshabhi
On the other hand, Vistara is making B787 pilots fly A320 for now, as it doesn't want them to leave. They will be getting first B787 towards end of next year

Re: Norwegian to lay off 787 pilots

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:17 pm
by mcdu
The Norwegian supporters will always claim "nothing to see here". Meanwhile everything points towards a collapse. Don't be surprised if you have tickets for Norwegian in the future and when you turn up at the airport Norwegian doesn't exist. Caveat Emptor

Re: Norwegian to lay off 787 pilots

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:21 pm
by KICT
Good.

Re: Norwegian to lay off 787 pilots

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:53 pm
by Newbiepilot
Rajahdhani wrote:
Of a side note - if Norwegian transfers aircraft (from DU {"Long Haul"} to DI {"Air UK Ltd"}) do those pilots count as one employee pool? Or could we see a shift in aircraft display as a layoff at one branch, and hiring at that other?


That may be a key point. Norwegian has multiple subsidiaries and airlines. One may be contracting and another may be growing while planes are moving around.

Re: Norwegian to lay off 787 pilots

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:57 pm
by VSMUT
Rajahdhani wrote:
So, are we going to be seeing Norwegian defer 787 deliveries?


IMHO, that seems likely.

Rajahdhani wrote:
Or, are pilots going to be coming in/on to fly, but just from other locations/tracks (not internal promotions)?


If the notice about cancelling 787 courses means that they will be cancelling line training courses, as I suspect, then that means no new 787 pilots. You can't get more pilots onto the type without a line-course, regardless of where they come from or prior experience. Even an experienced 787 pilot will need to pass it.

Rajahdhani wrote:
Of a side note - if Norwegian transfers aircraft (from DU {"Long Haul"} to DI {"Air UK Ltd"}) do those pilots count as one employee pool? Or could we see a shift in aircraft display as a layoff at one branch, and hiring at that other?


I'm not an expert, but Norwegian tends to hire its pilots through OSM. This notice is from OSM to the pilots, not from any particular branch of Norwegian.

Re: Norwegian to lay off 787 pilots

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:36 pm
by planesarecool
Norwegian are cancelling training courses due to having five 787s AOG with RR engine issues, and thus a temporary surplus of pilots. Nobody is being laid off, the notices were to people not currently employed by the company, awaiting the start of type rating courses. But why let facts get in the way of A.net verbal diarrhoea, it must mean they're on the brink of going bankrupt.

KICT wrote:
Good.


I'll have the exact same reaction when you lose your job too, if you even have one.

Re: Norwegian to postpone 787 pilot training program

Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:43 pm
by skipness1E
How many more 787s are coming?