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AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:10 pm

Further establishing their commitment to the market, AS has added six daily roundtrip flights from DAL, bringing the total daily departures to 19:

PDX 3x daily (+1)
SAN 2x daily (+1)
SEA 4x daily (+2)
SFO 4x daily (+1)
SJC 3x daily (+1)

This added flying begins on August 27, 2019 and will require the full daily use of both gates they lease at DAL. So, where does this leave the City of Dallas and DL in their dispute?
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:15 pm

This is not happening because of demand. It would be interesting to know why it *is* happening. I’m sure it’s a bargaining ploy.
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:32 pm

enilria wrote:
This is not happening because of demand. It would be interesting to know why it *is* happening. I’m sure it’s a bargaining ploy.

I agree. It's not like the west coast-Dallas market demand has suddenly skyrocketed. Something else is up here.
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:37 pm

FA9295 wrote:
enilria wrote:
This is not happening because of demand. It would be interesting to know why it *is* happening. I’m sure it’s a bargaining ploy.

I agree. It's not like the west coast-Dallas market has suddenly skyrocketed. Something else is up here.


Smells like gate squatting to me.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:39 pm

LAX remains unchanged at 3x daily.
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:39 pm

Dallas and the Bay Area do have a growing and the connected business community. So while there are certainly other motives, still possible to make some money.
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:59 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
Further establishing their commitment to the market, AS has added six daily roundtrip flights from DAL, bringing the total daily departures to 19:

PDX 3x daily (+1)
SAN 2x daily (+1)
SEA 4x daily (+2)
SFO 4x daily (+1)
SJC 3x daily (+1)

This added flying begins on August 27, 2019 and will require the full daily use of both gates they lease at DAL. So, where does this leave the City of Dallas and DL in their dispute?


Almost all the adds are QX operated flights, SAN is the one city that doesn't have at least one QX operated flight with these adds, maybe this & PAE is why QX is reviving Q-400's?
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:01 pm

DL will not be getting a gate if this is true.
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:17 pm

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DL will not be getting a gate if this is true.

Or the price just went up.

There was a recent leadership change in network planning at Alaska. I think we are seeing some reversals of the previous leadership’s decisions. I think the reductions in Alaska flights to Boston and Atlanta were also part of that
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:22 pm

Oh boy - so much for the PAE for DAL swap theory...

Looking forward to the continued fighting guaranteed to continue through at least 2024!

Also... don't think we can call this "squatting" as even though the amount of frequencies might not be supported - they aren't "squatting" since they are actually going to fly a full schedule on them
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:47 pm

Didn't AS just cut DAL flights to -175 aircraft just a few months ago? Now they're expanding?
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:11 pm

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Didn't AS just cut DAL flights to -175 aircraft just a few months ago? Now they're expanding?

All of the DAL flights were converted from A320s to E75s, but the amount of actual flights were kept the same. Now they are upping the frequencies on their current DAL routes.

I wouldn't be surprised to see one or more of the SEA-DAL flights go to the 737 in the future.
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:13 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
Oh boy - so much for the PAE for DAL swap theory...

Looking forward to the continued fighting guaranteed to continue through at least 2024!

Also... don't think we can call this "squatting" as even though the amount of frequencies might not be supported - they aren't "squatting" since they are actually going to fly a full schedule on them


This fits with the theory. I’m sure WN would rather have AS as a weaker player at DAL than have DL butting in.
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:19 pm

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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:27 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
Oh boy - so much for the PAE for DAL swap theory...

Looking forward to the continued fighting guaranteed to continue through at least 2024!

Also... don't think we can call this "squatting" as even though the amount of frequencies might not be supported - they aren't "squatting" since they are actually going to fly a full schedule on them


And all of the talk about AS pulling out of DAL
 
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:28 pm

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Dallas and the Bay Area do have a growing and the connected business community. So while there are certainly other motives, still possible to make some money.


Tech, I believe.

SJC 3x daily (+1)

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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:44 pm

So....

Alaska 19 flights from 2 gates
Southwest 195 flights from 18 gates

How in the world do you fit in Delta? People are going to be stuck on the ground and delayed...
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:57 pm

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So....

Alaska 19 flights from 2 gates
Southwest 195 flights from 18 gates

How in the world do you fit in Delta? People are going to be stuck on the ground and delayed...


It is already happening. One of my friends flew AS last week (or maybe earlier this week) from SFO. They were 40 minutes delayed leaving SFO, and when they landed, had to sit and wait an hour for a gate at DAL.
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:07 pm

Its a good schedule:

DAL-SEA: 815A, 1110A, 120P, 755P
DAL-SFO: 730A, 1010A, 235P, 625P
DAL-LAX: 700A, 1235P, 535P
DAL-PDX: 845A, 450P, 700P
DAL-SAN: 935A, 330P
DAL-SJC: 1145A, 155P, 400P


It allows a bit more competitiveness against Southwest
DAL-SEA: 1 nonstop, 2 directs
DAL-SFO: 2 nonstops, 3 directs
DAL-SAN: 4 nonstops, 2 directs
DAL-PDX: 1 nonstop, 3 directs
DAL-SJC: 1 nonstops, 1 direct
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:10 pm

Inbounds:

27AUG TUE SEA/PDT DAL/CDT‡2
1AS/** 3456 F7 D7 P6 U3*SEADAL N 620A 1230P E75 B 0 DC /E
A3 Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
2AS/** 3360 F7 D7 P5 U3*SEADAL N 830A 240P E75 B 0 DC /E
A3 Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
3AS/** 2028 F7 D7 P5 U3*SEADAL N 230P 840P E75 L 0 DC /E
A3 Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
4AS/** 3488 F7 D7 P5 U3*SEADAL N 440P 1050P E75 D 0 DC /E
A3 Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7

27AUG TUE SFO/PDT DAL/CDT‡2
1AS/** 3407 F7 D7 P6 U0 A0*SFODAL N 510A 1055A E75 B 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
2AS/** 3404 F7 D7 P6 U3 A3*SFODAL N 815A 155P E75 B 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
3AS/** 3406 F7 D7 P7 U0 A0*SFODAL N 1030A 410P E75 L 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
4AS/** 2210 F7 D7 P7 U4 A4*SFODAL N 150P 730P E75 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7

27AUG TUE LAX/PDT DAL/CDT‡2
1AS/** 3320 F7 D7 P6 U3 A3*LAXDAL N 505A 1020A E75 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
2AS/** 3322 F7 D7 P5 U3 A3*LAXDAL N 800A 115P E75 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
3AS/** 3324 F7 D7 P7 U4 A4*LAXDAL N 155P 710P E75 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7


27AUG TUE PDX/PDT DAL/CDT‡2
1AS/** 2171 F7 D7 P6 U3 A3*PDXDAL N 600A 1155A E75 B 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
2AS/** 2066 F7 D7 P5 U3 A3*PDXDAL N 1225P 620P E75 L 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
3AS/** 3465 F7 D7 P6 U3 A3*PDXDAL 100 300P 855P E75 L 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7

27AUG TUE SAN/PDT DAL/CDT‡2
1AS/** 3306 F7 D7 P7 U4 A4*SANDAL N 1130A 445P E75 L 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
2AS/** 3470 F7 D7 P7 U4 A4*SANDAL N 430P 950P E75 D 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7

27AUG TUE SJC/PDT DAL/CDT‡2
1AS/** 2176 F7 D7 P6 U3 A3*SJCDAL N 925A 310P E75 B 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
2AS/** 3365 F7 D7 P6 U3 A3*SJCDAL N 1150A 535P E75 L 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
3AS/** 3328 F7 D7 P6 U3 A3*SJCDAL N 410P 955P E75 D 0 DC /E
Y7 Z7 S7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 L7 V7
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Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:26 pm

Thinking about the other thread where AS might be interested in "OneWorld Connect" membership. I know that due to the AS/VX merger, they can't codeshare with AA to SFO, LAX, SEA. But, if they were a "Connect" member, AA flyers could still fly AS from DAL and get miles/EQMs with AS flight numbers, correct?
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:32 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
Thinking about the other thread where AS might be interested in "OneWorld Connect" membership. I know that due to the AS/VX merger, they can't codeshare with AA to SFO, LAX, SEA. But, if they were a "Connect" member, AA flyers could still fly AS from DAL and get miles/EQMs with AS flight numbers, correct?



Oneworld Connect, if it were to happen, is a long ways off.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:45 pm

osupoke07 wrote:
FA9295 wrote:
enilria wrote:
This is not happening because of demand. It would be interesting to know why it *is* happening. I’m sure it’s a bargaining ploy.

I agree. It's not like the west coast-Dallas market has suddenly skyrocketed. Something else is up here.


Smells like gate squatting to me.


A full schedule of flights to multiple cities a fair distance away fully utilizing the gates is now squatting? Perhaps you just mean that they aren’t making a worthy use of the gates but I don’t think it’s squatting.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:46 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
737max8 wrote:
So....

Alaska 19 flights from 2 gates
Southwest 195 flights from 18 gates

How in the world do you fit in Delta? People are going to be stuck on the ground and delayed...


It is already happening. One of my friends flew AS last week (or maybe earlier this week) from SFO. They were 40 minutes delayed leaving SFO, and when they landed, had to sit and wait an hour for a gate at DAL.


That certainly happens when gates are maxed out.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:47 pm

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joeblow10 wrote:
Oh boy - so much for the PAE for DAL swap theory...

Looking forward to the continued fighting guaranteed to continue through at least 2024!

Also... don't think we can call this "squatting" as even though the amount of frequencies might not be supported - they aren't "squatting" since they are actually going to fly a full schedule on them


This fits with the theory. I’m sure WN would rather have AS as a weaker player at DAL than have DL butting in.


I don’t disagree.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:38 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Oh boy - so much for the PAE for DAL swap theory...

Looking forward to the continued fighting guaranteed to continue through at least 2024!

Also... don't think we can call this "squatting" as even though the amount of frequencies might not be supported - they aren't "squatting" since they are actually going to fly a full schedule on them


This fits with the theory. I’m sure WN would rather have AS as a weaker player at DAL than have DL butting in.


Disagree on the basis that had AS had to accommodate DL on its gates, that would’ve freed up more room for WN to continue to grow its own ops. Or better yet (and somehow, never proposed by the city, but irrelevant now) would have been AS and DL just taking one gate each w/ 13 flights.

And now, WN not only still has to accommodate DL, it is being massively outdone on frequency to the west coast - other than SAN, those routes AS expanded have 1 flight a day (2 to SFO) on WN versus 3-4 on AS starting next August. Though, WN haven’t extended their schedule that far yet - and I could see them sacrificing something else to get SEA/PDX/SJC up to 2 daily
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:53 am

There is another thread that QX is bringing back a few Q400's. I wonder if this is another reason why QX is bringing back Q400's, in addition to PAE.
 
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So, are there any plans to grow the terminal of DAL? That terminal is tiny and hellish and any additional flights call for a larger terminal.
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:28 am

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There is another thread that QX is bringing back a few Q400's. I wonder if this is another reason why QX is bringing back Q400's, in addition to PAE.


Since it was an all OO operation at DAL & now only SAN is missing at least one QX operated flight from DAL, I'd say most of this growth is coming from QX & with PAE beginning early next year, this clearly is showing where the new arrival E-175's are going.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:42 am

I have done two Dallas-area roundtrips in the last year or so, with a third happening next week, and a mix of SEA-DAL and SEA-DFW legs. Prices haven't been sky-high, but they haven't been bargain-basement either, and the flights have all been full. It doesn't seem there is a glut of seats, at least from SEA.

I wish there would be a similar expansion in the Seattle-Houston market. Prices in that market are high and it's often hard to find available seats.
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:36 am

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So, are there any plans to grow the terminal of DAL? That terminal is tiny and hellish and any additional flights call for a larger terminal.


You do realize it is a big, brand new terminal, yes?
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:33 am

RWA380 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
There is another thread that QX is bringing back a few Q400's. I wonder if this is another reason why QX is bringing back Q400's, in addition to PAE.


Since it was an all OO operation at DAL & now only SAN is missing at least one QX operated flight from DAL, I'd say most of this growth is coming from QX & with PAE beginning early next year, this clearly is showing where the new arrival E-175's are going.


Question for you...

Have you received feedback from passengers on the E-175's? How do they like them? I've flown on several of them thus far and I love them...especially when I get 1st class upgrades! Most flights have been up and down the west coast. My longest flight on one was between SEA and ICT.
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:34 am

usflyguy wrote:
B1168 wrote:
So, are there any plans to grow the terminal of DAL? That terminal is tiny and hellish and any additional flights call for a larger terminal.


You do realize it is a big, brand new terminal, yes?


Emmm... when is DAL built, after all? If that is called new, let’s call it. DAL, at my visit, is fairly crowded, yet doesn’t really have seas of people.
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:39 am

B1168 wrote:
usflyguy wrote:
B1168 wrote:
So, are there any plans to grow the terminal of DAL? That terminal is tiny and hellish and any additional flights call for a larger terminal.


You do realize it is a big, brand new terminal, yes?


Emmm... when is DAL built, after all? If that is called new, let’s call it. DAL, at my visit, is fairly crowded, yet doesn’t really have seas of people.


What he means is... the terminal is brand new. You should have been there wright amendment - absolutely atrocious facility.

Also... nothing is going to happen until at least 2024 when lots of the wright restrictions still in place end (i.e. SWA can grow elsewhere in the metroplex without giving up gate space at DAL), and even then, it's not likely to grow much
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:13 am

Interesting. AS had little hesitation parting with some highly coveted (in-perimeter) DCA slots and highly sought after LGA slots.. yet they aren't ready to give up even some of their DAL gate space. Maybe DAL isn't doing so bad after all?
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:18 am

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Interesting. AS had little hesitation parting with some highly coveted (in-perimeter) DCA slots and highly sought after LGA slots.. yet they aren't ready to give up even some of their DAL gate space. Maybe DAL isn't doing so bad after all?


And keep in mind, AS protected themselves by putting language in the lease to WN that they immediately revert to AS if/when the perimeter rules are lifted.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

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wedgetail737 wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
There is another thread that QX is bringing back a few Q400's. I wonder if this is another reason why QX is bringing back Q400's, in addition to PAE.


Since it was an all OO operation at DAL & now only SAN is missing at least one QX operated flight from DAL, I'd say most of this growth is coming from QX & with PAE beginning early next year, this clearly is showing where the new arrival E-175's are going.


Question for you...

Have you received feedback from passengers on the E-175's? How do they like them? I've flown on several of them thus far and I love them...especially when I get 1st class upgrades! Most flights have been up and down the west coast. My longest flight on one was between SEA and ICT.


I am not with AAG, but I love flying the E-175 over the 737's, either QX or OO crews have been good in my experience, longest flight I've done on the E-175 is PDX-STL. I've flown F once, got on the one side, that was nice, worth using an upgrade on. I have seen the E-175's making an appearance on a SEA-MFR r/t, nothing to EUG, but RDM has a mainline RON that has gone or is going to, a mid-day r/t on a 738.

Where QX had 24-26 departures each way SEA-PDX it's going to 16, 3 mainline (739, 738, 320), 2 E-175's by QX & the rest Q-400's. Things are changing up here.
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:23 am

No complaints. The e175 is the absolute most comfortable plane in the AS fleet
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:09 am

I wouldn’t be happy if I was an Alaska Air Group shareholder. What a waste of resources by flying high CASM regional jets in highly competitive markets instead of diversifying their flying elsewhere. I think PDX and SEA will fare better than the other cities, but ultimately SJC/SAN is WN’s market to lose since they still offer the most seats in both of those markets.
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:25 pm

B1168 wrote:
usflyguy wrote:
B1168 wrote:
So, are there any plans to grow the terminal of DAL? That terminal is tiny and hellish and any additional flights call for a larger terminal.


You do realize it is a big, brand new terminal, yes?


Emmm... when is DAL built, after all? If that is called new, let’s call it. DAL, at my visit, is fairly crowded, yet doesn’t really have seas of people.


It must be quite some years since you’ve been through there. It’s anything but hellish now. It’s one of the nicest airports/terminals in the country now.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:43 pm

With all the growth to the north, i'd think McKinney would be a olace I'd want to set up shop, not expand DAL when more WA restrictions sunset.
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:50 pm

airplaneboy wrote:
I wouldn’t be happy if I was an Alaska Air Group shareholder. What a waste of resources by flying high CASM regional jets in highly competitive markets instead of diversifying their flying elsewhere. I think PDX and SEA will fare better than the other cities, but ultimately SJC/SAN is WN’s market to lose since they still offer the most seats in both of those markets.

The only market WN offers more seats in is SAN.
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:58 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
With all the growth to the north, i'd think McKinney would be a olace I'd want to set up shop, not expand DAL when more WA restrictions sunset.
NIMBYs will keep McKinney from having commercial service which i can understand their plight. DFW has more than enough capacity with its airports. As soon as Dallas can bust that 20 gate cap on DAL they need to do so and I’d guess if they can get International service too that would soften the blow for WN. AA is going to work to suppres growth (e.g. no Terminal F) at DFW, so City of Dallas needs to lead that growth with DAL.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:59 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
With all the growth to the north, i'd think McKinney would be a olace I'd want to set up shop, not expand DAL when more WA restrictions sunset.


That would surely suit me well :)
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:03 pm

FriscoHeavy wrote:
B1168 wrote:
usflyguy wrote:

You do realize it is a big, brand new terminal, yes?


Emmm... when is DAL built, after all? If that is called new, let’s call it. DAL, at my visit, is fairly crowded, yet doesn’t really have seas of people.


It must be quite some years since you’ve been through there. It’s anything but hellish now. It’s one of the nicest airports/terminals in the country now.


What about that... it seems like I fail to consider that it is just a secondary airport.
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:03 pm

airplaneboy wrote:
I think PDX and SEA will fare better than the other cities, but ultimately SJC/SAN is WN’s market to lose since they still offer the most seats in both of those markets.

It might be noted that WN service between SAN and SJC will increase to 16 weekday flights next June! This while AS will be at 4x daily with 3 of them mainline service (as of now.) That route IMO has become a true battleground between WN and AS.

A couple of other SAN-DAL remarks that may help with understanding these latest moves by AAG. SAN is a relatively new crew base for OO so the fact that both SAN-DAL flights are flown by OO is not a surprise. In fact, while SAN (currently) has no Q400 service, most of our AAG EMJ flights are op'd by OO; we see very few QX EMJs.

Finally, last year, following the announcement of AS's SAN & SJC to DAL service, a 2nd SAN flight was scheduled to happen later in 2018. Later on, that 2nd flight was shifted to SJC-DAL so SAN has remained at 1 r/t. At about that same time, WN increased their SAN-DAL service to 4x daily! I think AAG decided to concentrate on SJC where WN remains at a single flight and let additional service between SAN and DAL wait a while.

Apparently they think it's now time to get back into it with WN out of SAN. I would actually have expected AAG to add a frequency between SAN & DAL sooner. (Furthermore, I wouldn't be totally surprised to see WN add another frequency -- a 5th -- in the market in response to this AAG move...)

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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:05 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
With all the growth to the north, i'd think McKinney would be a olace I'd want to set up shop, not expand DAL when more WA restrictions sunset.


What about other small airports?
 
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:18 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
And keep in mind, AS protected themselves by putting language in the lease to WN that they immediately revert to AS if/when the perimeter rules are lifted.

Hmmmm. I'm glad this was mentioned and I continue to wonder if there is something lurking just under the surface keeping this idea alive...? (Was this language regarding both LGA and DCA or was it just for DCA? I thought it was the latter.) But I do realize this is a topic for another thread.

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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:44 pm

B1168 wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:
With all the growth to the north, i'd think McKinney would be a olace I'd want to set up shop, not expand DAL when more WA restrictions sunset.


What about other small airports?


Unclear what your point is?

McKinney would be a logical choice given the growth out here. There aren’t other options. Perhaps over in Ft. Worth, but that’s a different market.
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Re: AS expands presence at DAL

Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:48 pm

B1168 wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
B1168 wrote:

Emmm... when is DAL built, after all? If that is called new, let’s call it. DAL, at my visit, is fairly crowded, yet doesn’t really have seas of people.


It must be quite some years since you’ve been through there. It’s anything but hellish now. It’s one of the nicest airports/terminals in the country now.


What about that... it seems like I fail to consider that it is just a secondary airport.


Secondary or not, it’s a leading airport and terminal now. Very hard to beat.
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