As per Airline routes

American Airlines filed planned Airbus A321neo routes

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rk-in-2q19

Los Angeles – Orlando 02APR19 – 02MAY19 1 daily (AA2361/219)
Phoenix – Anchorage 06JUN19 – 19AUG19 1 daily (AA1413/1372)
Phoenix – Los Angeles 02APR19 – 02MAY19 1 daily (AA820/1895)
Phoenix – Orlando 02APR19 – 02MAY19 1 daily (AA682/1022; Except 21APR19)

Interesting, I'm guessing it will be 3rd Quarter before these aircraft are flying to the islands from LAX and PHX.

I wonder if the NEO will suffer payload restrictions on the PHX-Hawaii runs, the 321H currently takes payload restrictions on the EB segment to LAX.

I wonder how many LUS 757s will be retired in 2019 with the arrival of the 321NEO?

So it fly a loop of PHX LAX MCO PHX MCO LAX PHX until 2nd May. And then dailyPHX ANC in summer.

Is a 321neo longer than the 321? Looks like they’re stuffing quite a few more seats into the neo.

ABEguy wrote:

Is a 321neo longer than the 321? Looks like they’re stuffing quite a few more seats into the neo.

New ACF configuration eliminates the doors L2/R2. This enables more seats.

-Rowen

Could AA use these A321neo for transatlantic flights in the future from PHL, CLT and JFK? , I remember that Primera Air was going to use A321neo not LR in transatlantic routes, AA could also be launched in that adventure

res77W wrote:

ABEguy wrote:

Is a 321neo longer than the 321? Looks like they’re stuffing quite a few more seats into the neo.

New ACF configuration eliminates the doors L2/R2. This enables more seats.

-Rowen

Oh I see. Thanks.

No seatback entertainment is going to be quite painful for these flights, considering the length.

FlightLevel360 wrote:

No seatback entertainment is going to be quite painful for these flights, considering the length.

It's been discussed many places before but on a personal note I much prefer the streaming to my own device rather than having that damn box under the seat in front that takes away leg (and bag) room.

ironfan wrote:

FlightLevel360 wrote:

No seatback entertainment is going to be quite painful for these flights, considering the length.

It's been discussed many places before but on a personal note I much prefer the streaming to my own device rather than having that damn box under the seat in front that takes away leg (and bag) room.

There are many solutions that can eliminate the box problem...

Either put the box directly under the seat cushion (like CX) or use something like Zodiac RAVE or GoGo vision touch that doesn't require a bulky IFE box

It is a shame that these will not have seatback IFE. I have had numerous flights on American and Southwest where the IFE just did not work at all while I've never had an in-seat IFE break on me.

SierraPacific wrote:

It is a shame that these will not have seatback IFE. I have had numerous flights on American and Southwest where the IFE just did not work at all while I've never had an in-seat IFE break on me.

I have, but anecdotes aside, I’m wondering how we survived so_many_years with no IFE or just drop down video screens with rubber stethoscopes as headphones? When everybody’s grandma and kindergartener has a smartphone, is it really the end of the world not to have seatback IFE?

PlanesNTrains wrote:

SierraPacific wrote:

It is a shame that these will not have seatback IFE. I have had numerous flights on American and Southwest where the IFE just did not work at all while I've never had an in-seat IFE break on me.

I have, but anecdotes aside, I’m wondering how we survived so_many_years with no IFE or just drop down video screens with rubber stethoscopes as headphones? When everybody’s grandma and kindergartener has a smartphone, is it really the end of the world not to have seatback IFE?

I do not believe that it is the end of the world but it is slightly annoying to have to use your own device in 2018 when Delta and Jetblue have practically every aircraft in their fleet outfitted with IFE. If I had kids, I would definitely avoid airlines that are BYOD since bringing 4 devices for the whole family to use and to get the kids to hold a device is a major pain in the **s.

SierraPacific wrote:

I do not believe that it is the end of the world but it is slightly annoying to have to use your own device in 2018 when Delta and Jetblue have practically every aircraft in their fleet outfitted with IFE. If I had kids, I would definitely avoid airlines that are BYOD since bringing 4 devices for the whole family to use and to get the kids to hold a device is a major pain in the **s.

My kids couldn't give two shits about in-seat IFE; they're on their iPads for the whole flight, the same ones they're constantly using at home. And I'm talking about a 6 year old and a 2 year old, both of whom started using those iPads at age one. Getting the kids to hold a device isn't a pain - trying to remove them from their hands is! And bringing 4 devices isn't a hassle since they're coming on the trip anyway; may as well use 'em onboard!

miaami wrote:

I wonder how many LUS 757s will be retired in 2019 with the arrival of the 321NEO?

Per an article I read from April, there will still be 34 757s by year’s end 2019. 10 (I assume the remaining LUS) will leave the fleet by the end of 2020.

This could have changed by now, however.

EA CO AS wrote:

SierraPacific wrote:

I do not believe that it is the end of the world but it is slightly annoying to have to use your own device in 2018 when Delta and Jetblue have practically every aircraft in their fleet outfitted with IFE. If I had kids, I would definitely avoid airlines that are BYOD since bringing 4 devices for the whole family to use and to get the kids to hold a device is a major pain in the **s.

My kids couldn't give two shits about in-seat IFE; they're on their iPads for the whole flight, the same ones they're constantly using at home. And I'm talking about a 6 year old and a 2 year old, both of whom started using those iPads at age one. Getting the kids to hold a device isn't a pain - trying to remove them from their hands is! And bringing 4 devices isn't a hassle since they're coming on the trip anyway; may as well use 'em onboard!

Yup. My kids mostly fly WN and really don’t use their iPads on board all that much, but that’s partially an age thing (largely being able to read).

We recently went to Hawaii on DL with PTVs and returned on HA without. Both kids used the PTVs when they were available. Neither complained about the flight that didn’t have them.

res77W wrote:

ABEguy wrote:

Is a 321neo longer than the 321? Looks like they’re stuffing quite a few more seats into the neo.

New ACF configuration eliminates the doors L2/R2. This enables more seats.

-Rowen

Plus they're cutting down on the pitch (-1 inch in MC and F so that would offer up an extra row or two)

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RainerBoeing777 wrote:

Could AA use these A321neo for transatlantic flights in the future from PHL, CLT and JFK? , I remember that Primera Air was going to use A321neo not LR in transatlantic routes, AA could also be launched in that adventure

Yeah. PR even operate MNL-SYD using 321neos. It will serve the role just like a 752.
However, for the sake of payload and premium experience, they need a sub fleet of 21N equipped with 321T-like business class. Otherwise, at least, I personally will hesitate if I have a widebody plane, ceteris paribus.
If that is achieved, it would be flattering to replace all-day transatlantic flights like AA90/87. I would love the plane to be able to return as a red-eye flight and operate to LGW instead of LHR to avoid curfew.

SierraPacific wrote:

PlanesNTrains wrote:

SierraPacific wrote:

It is a shame that these will not have seatback IFE. I have had numerous flights on American and Southwest where the IFE just did not work at all while I've never had an in-seat IFE break on me.

I have, but anecdotes aside, I’m wondering how we survived so_many_years with no IFE or just drop down video screens with rubber stethoscopes as headphones? When everybody’s grandma and kindergartener has a smartphone, is it really the end of the world not to have seatback IFE?

I do not believe that it is the end of the world but it is slightly annoying to have to use your own device in 2018 when Delta and Jetblue have practically every aircraft in their fleet outfitted with IFE. If I had kids, I would definitely avoid airlines that are BYOD since bringing 4 devices for the whole family to use and to get the kids to hold a device is a major pain in the **s.

Some of us are capable of watching a movie on the seat back IFE while we browse the web on our personal device.

Are there any photos of the first AA A321neo yet?

mikejepp wrote:

Are there any photos of the first AA A321neo yet?

https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/2018/1 ... vys-n.html

-Rowen

Any idea what the registrations will be?

I dont have kids or Ipads but generally also prefer seat back. Yeah I can use my phone but 1) IFE is a bigger screen 2) I dont use my phone now to watch movies etc so its weird to do it on a flight and 3) it uses down the battery

res77W wrote:

mikejepp wrote:

Are there any photos of the first AA A321neo yet?

https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/2018/1 ... vys-n.html

-Rowen

Thanks! Any idea when we will see it fully painted with engines? First flight?

maverick4002 wrote:

I dont have kids or Ipads but generally also prefer seat back. Yeah I can use my phone but 1) IFE is a bigger screen 2) I dont use my phone now to watch movies etc so its weird to do it on a flight and 3) it uses down the battery

Each seat will have a power outlet so you can charge your device while watching entertainment.

TTailedTiger wrote:

SierraPacific wrote:

PlanesNTrains wrote:

I have, but anecdotes aside, I’m wondering how we survived so_many_years with no IFE or just drop down video screens with rubber stethoscopes as headphones? When everybody’s grandma and kindergartener has a smartphone, is it really the end of the world not to have seatback IFE?

I do not believe that it is the end of the world but it is slightly annoying to have to use your own device in 2018 when Delta and Jetblue have practically every aircraft in their fleet outfitted with IFE. If I had kids, I would definitely avoid airlines that are BYOD since bringing 4 devices for the whole family to use and to get the kids to hold a device is a major pain in the **s.

Some of us are capable of watching a movie on the seat back IFE while we browse the web on our personal device.

IFE has always been an over-rated perk. Probably 75% of pax have a iPad, tablet, or laptop. Those who don't, read a book. I know it's an outdated concept, but my nose is most always in a book. Occasionally turn on the iPad, it's not a big deal. I don't expect the airline to entertain me, just get me to my destination.

EvanWSFO wrote:

TTailedTiger wrote:

SierraPacific wrote:

I do not believe that it is the end of the world but it is slightly annoying to have to use your own device in 2018 when Delta and Jetblue have practically every aircraft in their fleet outfitted with IFE. If I had kids, I would definitely avoid airlines that are BYOD since bringing 4 devices for the whole family to use and to get the kids to hold a device is a major pain in the **s.

Some of us are capable of watching a movie on the seat back IFE while we browse the web on our personal device.

IFE has always been an over-rated perk. Probably 75% of pax have a iPad, tablet, or laptop. Those who don't, read a book. I know it's an outdated concept, but my nose is most always in a book. Occasionally turn on the iPad, it's not a big deal. I don't expect the airline to entertain me, just get me to my destination.

That’s a great opinion, but I’d love to see actual data on this. Antidotal but on a lot of my recent flights on the A321T half of the plane was using seat back in some way, (movie, flight map etc). I for one tried using my iPad but found it impossible with the 31” pitch to not strain a muscle trying to watch while the seat in front of me was reclined into my knees.

Traveling on over 80 flights this year, I did not use the seatback IFE at all if offered, other than for the flight map. My iPad Mini 4 travels with me on every flight and I load it up with downloadable content from Netflix and Amazon, as well as having an iBook or 2 available. Occasionaly I do use the inflight IFE...I just stream it. My biggest concern is power, and the lack there of on the L-US aircraft. That, and it would be really nice if they all had a tablet holder. I've seen a couple of aircraft that have been designed with these now, and I love them! Aircraft with seatback IFE means that I am looking down at my tablet because it is either on the tray table or hooked over the seatback pocket.

I use IFE on almost every DL flight (and DL normally has IFE screens). Love it. I use my ipad for surfing the internet while I watch live tv or a movie on DL’s IFE. DL makes it easy to find flights that have IFE and I tend to try and chose those flights (most long nonstops have IFE, the connecting flights are really where you can pick between IFE connecting via say DTW or no IFE on connection via MSP - made up example). But going by the posts here, it seems most people don’t use IFE. Or is it a DL vs AA heaven flyer difference.

I'm a huge fan of IFE, especially on long-hauls. I don't mind not having it on some short-haul segments, but for anything more than a couple hours, it's a nice touch. When my wife and I have traveled on longer segments, it was nice to not have to bring a tablet with us.

That’s interesting. MCO was also one of the first destinations to get the 7M8 from AA. I wonder what it is about MCO that makes it ideal for new fleet types.

I prefer IFE, mainly because it allows to watch a movie or two that I wouldn’t have others watched, and also to spend time watching the flight map. It is not a catastrophe not to have it. (I will be flying next week to Canary Islands, over 6 hour flight in an AY A321 without IFE, I believe

OA940 wrote:

res77W wrote:

ABEguy wrote:

Is a 321neo longer than the 321? Looks like they’re stuffing quite a few more seats into the neo.

New ACF configuration eliminates the doors L2/R2. This enables more seats.

-Rowen

Plus they're cutting down on the pitch (-1 inch in MC and F so that would offer up an extra row or two)

The A321neo promises to be as comfortable and chock full of amenities as the 737 MAX.

CaliguyNYC wrote:

I use IFE on almost every DL flight (and DL normally has IFE screens). Love it. I use my ipad for surfing the internet while I watch live tv or a movie on DL’s IFE. DL makes it easy to find flights that have IFE and I tend to try and chose those flights (most long nonstops have IFE, the connecting flights are really where you can pick between IFE connecting via say DTW or no IFE on connection via MSP - made up example). But going by the posts here, it seems most people don’t use IFE. Or is it a DL vs AA heaven flyer difference.

Most people on Airliners.net don't use the onboard IFE, but it may not be indicative of the general public. I doubt many leisure fliers specifically factor IFE into their purchasing decisions, but seeing the screens once you board the aircraft certainly gives the impression of a more modern airplane and that might stick in their minds.

Seatback is a bonus (if it is updated or new). It doesn’t come into play when choosing flights around 6 hours or less. Most domestic planes are uncomfortable so I go by customer service, frequent flyer program, etc.

OB1504 wrote:

Most people on Airliners.net don't use the onboard IFE, but it may not be indicative of the general public. I doubt many leisure fliers specifically factor IFE into their purchasing decisions, but seeing the screens once you board the aircraft certainly gives the impression of a more modern airplane and that might stick in their minds.

On longer duration trips, IFE has higher take up, except with passengers travelling for work. Where passengers have access to their own devices and IFE, a cross over point in favour of IFE occurs. Airlines mine IFE use for advertising, sponsorship and direct marketing, so it's not a free cost centre.

EA CO AS wrote:

SierraPacific wrote:

I do not believe that it is the end of the world but it is slightly annoying to have to use your own device in 2018 when Delta and Jetblue have practically every aircraft in their fleet outfitted with IFE. If I had kids, I would definitely avoid airlines that are BYOD since bringing 4 devices for the whole family to use and to get the kids to hold a device is a major pain in the **s.

My kids couldn't give two shits about in-seat IFE; they're on their iPads for the whole flight, the same ones they're constantly using at home. And I'm talking about a 6 year old and a 2 year old, both of whom started using those iPads at age one. Getting the kids to hold a device isn't a pain - trying to remove them from their hands is! And bringing 4 devices isn't a hassle since they're coming on the trip anyway; may as well use 'em onboard!

Perhaps iPads are in a different category to phones and other gaming devices. A Boxing Day visitor was a surgeon friend who retires soon. They are now seeing referrals as young as 10 for micro-surgery on deformed hands and fingers (used to be 20's mainly for sport injuries) relating to excessive device use.

FlightLevel360 wrote:

Any idea what the registrations will be?

N400AN
N401AN
N402AN
N403AN
N404AN, and similar up to N410AN, I believe.

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

Could AA use these A321neo for transatlantic flights in the future from PHL, CLT and JFK? , I remember that Primera Air was going to use A321neo not LR in transatlantic routes, AA could also be launched in that adventure

AA has already confirmed that it will not fly TATL routes from the NE. It will solely be used in higher density markets and Hawaii from LAX/PHX. It will also eventually be used on longer coast to coast flights that need to fuel efficiency. Like: PHL-West Coast/CLT-West Cosst/MIA-West coast.

Also just found out 787 will do DFW-ANC this summer!