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DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:17 am

DL website says December 24 DL 128 from PEK to SEA diverts to SYA (Shemya)... must have been an amazing place to land in late December....
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:32 pm

Looks like they are sending a rescue plane, N1603.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/sya
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:42 pm

They doubled the population of the island by landing there
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:48 pm

Probably more than doubled it, what with Christmas leave and all.
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:57 pm

Lol there’s a video about a hypothetical diversion and the logistics behind it; said flight lands somewhere in Alaska too.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:10 pm

That airport has been used a few times for emergency landings.

On 6 April 1993, China Eastern Airlines Flight 583, a McDonnell Douglas MD-11, made an emergency landing at Shemya after slats were accidentally deployed in mid-air, causing severe oscillations. Sixty crew members and passengers were hospitalized, and two ultimately died.

On 29 July 2015, Cathay Pacific Flight 884 from Hong Kong to Los Angeles, a Boeing 777-300ER, made an emergency landing at the air base after a cooling fan in the cargo hold failed, creating smoke in the cockpit. The crew was initially preparing for a water landing in case there was a real fire, however the aircraft continued to Eareckson/Shemya to make an emergency landing there.
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:22 pm

This website has a history of the island. http://shemya.hlswilliwaw.com/ It is about 1,200 miles SW of Anchorage, AK.

It was a military air base during WWII, critical for air access to battle the war in the western Pacific vs. Japan. After WW II, it continued as a watch point of Eastern Russia particularly during the cold war and still in use for by the US Military. It was a regular fuel stopover for military and civilian aircraft including NW's operations into the 1960's. There is a 10,000 ft runway there so can accommodate any aircraft. When longer range aircraft became available SYA was no longer needed for regular services, but continued to be as we saw today, part of diversion airports, an option for USA based ones vs. Russia. Often the weather is really rough, very cold, windy, snow, etc. so not a real tourist destination.

I would guess this diversion will have a domino effect for UA ops as most flights will be fully packed with persons going home to the USA for Christmas. Any idea what caused the diversion ?
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:32 pm

ltbewr wrote:
This website has a history of the island. http://shemya.hlswilliwaw.com/ It is about 1,200 miles SW of Anchorage, AK.

It was a military air base during WWII, critical for air access to battle the war in the western Pacific vs. Japan. After WW II, it continued as a watch point of Eastern Russia particularly during the cold war and still in use for by the US Military. It was a regular fuel stopover for military and civilian aircraft including NW's operations into the 1960's. There is a 10,000 ft runway there so can accommodate any aircraft. When longer range aircraft became available SYA was no longer needed for regular services, but continued to be as we saw today, part of diversion airports, an option for USA based ones vs. Russia. Often the weather is really rough, very cold, windy, snow, etc. so not a real tourist destination.

I would guess this diversion will have a domino effect for UA ops as most flights will be fully packed with persons going home to the USA for Christmas. Any idea what caused the diversion ?


I don’t think it’ll affect UA ops at all considering this is a Delta flight. :p
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:44 pm

TWA1985 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:

I don’t think it’ll affect UA ops at all considering this is a Delta flight. :p


Oops, my bad.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:15 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
That airport has been used a few times for emergency landings.

On 6 April 1993, China Eastern Airlines Flight 583, a McDonnell Douglas MD-11, made an emergency landing at Shemya after slats were accidentally deployed in mid-air, causing severe oscillations. Sixty crew members and passengers were hospitalized, and two ultimately died.

On 29 July 2015, Cathay Pacific Flight 884 from Hong Kong to Los Angeles, a Boeing 777-300ER, made an emergency landing at the air base after a cooling fan in the cargo hold failed, creating smoke in the cockpit. The crew was initially preparing for a water landing in case there was a real fire, however the aircraft continued to Eareckson/Shemya to make an emergency landing there.

Reminds me of a DL diversion to Cold Bay:

Published January 14, 2017

A Delta Air Lines jet made an emergency landing in Cold Bay on Saturday morning after experiencing "engine trouble," according to a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman.

FAA spokesman Allen Kenitzer wrote in an email that Delta Flight 68 traveling from Tokyo to Portland, Oregon, diverted to the Alaska runway Saturday. He wrote that the aircraft, a Boeing 767-300, landed without incident.

Delta spokeswoman Sarah Lora said a mechanical issue in flight caused pilots to divert the flight to Cold Bay. Lora did not know what the specific mechanical issue was Saturday morning but said a mechanical crew was on scene in Cold Bay.

Ref: https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/aviatio ... -cold-bay/

We had a pretty enjoyable thread on the diversion and the recovery of the pax and the airplane:
viewtopic.php?t=1352671

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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:20 pm

Revelation wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
That airport has been used a few times for emergency landings.

On 6 April 1993, China Eastern Airlines Flight 583, a McDonnell Douglas MD-11, made an emergency landing at Shemya after slats were accidentally deployed in mid-air, causing severe oscillations. Sixty crew members and passengers were hospitalized, and two ultimately died.

On 29 July 2015, Cathay Pacific Flight 884 from Hong Kong to Los Angeles, a Boeing 777-300ER, made an emergency landing at the air base after a cooling fan in the cargo hold failed, creating smoke in the cockpit. The crew was initially preparing for a water landing in case there was a real fire, however the aircraft continued to Eareckson/Shemya to make an emergency landing there.

Reminds me of a DL diversion to Cold Bay:

Published January 14, 2017

A Delta Air Lines jet made an emergency landing in Cold Bay on Saturday morning after experiencing "engine trouble," according to a Federal Aviation Administration spokesman.

FAA spokesman Allen Kenitzer wrote in an email that Delta Flight 68 traveling from Tokyo to Portland, Oregon, diverted to the Alaska runway Saturday. He wrote that the aircraft, a Boeing 767-300, landed without incident.

Delta spokeswoman Sarah Lora said a mechanical issue in flight caused pilots to divert the flight to Cold Bay. Lora did not know what the specific mechanical issue was Saturday morning but said a mechanical crew was on scene in Cold Bay.

Ref: https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/aviatio ... -cold-bay/

We had a pretty enjoyable thread on the diversion and the recovery of the pax and the airplane:
viewtopic.php?t=1352671

Photos:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deltanews ... 5795134874

Nice photos. That couldn't have been a cheap diversion. $$$
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:37 pm

I wonder what accommodations are going to be like? Since it's a sparsely-populated area, probably some gym with lots of cots? Also wonder what everyone is doing for entertainment while waiting!

Interesting place for a divert, that's for sure!
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:54 pm

KLASM83 wrote:
I wonder what accommodations are going to be like? Since it's a sparsely-populated area, probably some gym with lots of cots? Also wonder what everyone is doing for entertainment while waiting!

Interesting place for a divert, that's for sure!

Probably a lot better than a lot of places like in Eastern Russia or if involved a LCC. Customs/ICE could be an issue unless people are isolated at the airport or some other arrangements made, as well as handling unloading pax baggage for transfer to the replacement plane. Stuff happens and the PIC had to do the diversion for good reason and with consultation with DL's managers.

According to the link to FlightRadar24 posted earlier, the replacement plane won't be leaving SYA until 7 AM Christmas Day, arriving in SEA about 1:30 PM.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:03 pm

ltbewr wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
I wonder what accommodations are going to be like? Since it's a sparsely-populated area, probably some gym with lots of cots? Also wonder what everyone is doing for entertainment while waiting!

Interesting place for a divert, that's for sure!

Probably a lot better than a lot of places like in Eastern Russia or if involved a LCC. Customs/ICE could be an issue unless people are isolated at the airport or some other arrangements made, as well as handling unloading pax baggage for transfer to the replacement plane. Stuff happens and the PIC had to do the diversion for good reason and with consultation with DL's managers.

According to the link to FlightRadar24 posted earlier, the replacement plane won't be leaving SYA until 7 AM Christmas Day, arriving in SEA about 1:30 PM.


Do we think that they even deplane in a place like SYA in the winter time?

Assuming the plane has enough fuel to keep power on or an electrical hook up from the ground of course.

DL is sending a rescue plane relatively quickly.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:17 pm

ltbewr wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
I wonder what accommodations are going to be like? Since it's a sparsely-populated area, probably some gym with lots of cots? Also wonder what everyone is doing for entertainment while waiting!

Interesting place for a divert, that's for sure!

Probably a lot better than a lot of places like in Eastern Russia or if involved a LCC. Customs/ICE could be an issue unless people are isolated at the airport or some other arrangements made, as well as handling unloading pax baggage for transfer to the replacement plane. Stuff happens and the PIC had to do the diversion for good reason and with consultation with DL's managers.

According to the link to FlightRadar24 posted earlier, the replacement plane won't be leaving SYA until 7 AM Christmas Day, arriving in SEA about 1:30 PM.


Looks like they’re scheduled in about 915p on Christmas Eve now. Which sucks, but isn’t terrible.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:31 pm

KLASM83 wrote:
I wonder what accommodations are going to be like? Since it's a sparsely-populated area, probably some gym with lots of cots? Also wonder what everyone is doing for entertainment while waiting!

Interesting place for a divert, that's for sure!


Looking at the island on Google Maps there are barely even any structures outside of some hangars and warehouse type buildings. They might just be best off staying on the plane.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:44 pm

ltbewr wrote:
This website has a history of the island. http://shemya.hlswilliwaw.com/ It is about 1,200 miles SW of Anchorage, AK.

It was a military air base during WWII, critical for air access to battle the war in the western Pacific vs. Japan. After WW II, it continued as a watch point of Eastern Russia particularly during the cold war and still in use for by the US Military. It was a regular fuel stopover for military and civilian aircraft including NW's operations into the 1960's. There is a 10,000 ft runway there so can accommodate any aircraft. When longer range aircraft became available SYA was no longer needed for regular services, but continued to be as we saw today, part of diversion airports, an option for USA based ones vs. Russia. Often the weather is really rough, very cold, windy, snow, etc. so not a real tourist destination.

I would guess this diversion will have a domino effect for UA ops as most flights will be fully packed with persons going home to the USA for Christmas. Any idea what caused the diversion ?



You mean DL ops?
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA

Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:58 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Any idea what caused the diversion ?


Collision with a sleigh. Its pilot is notorious for failing to file a proper flight plan; it looks like just over a half-dozen reindeer were lost. Apparently the red warning light at the front of the sleigh's propulsion system had burned out...

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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:37 pm

Amchi757300 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
I wonder what accommodations are going to be like? Since it's a sparsely-populated area, probably some gym with lots of cots? Also wonder what everyone is doing for entertainment while waiting!

Interesting place for a divert, that's for sure!

Probably a lot better than a lot of places like in Eastern Russia or if involved a LCC. Customs/ICE could be an issue unless people are isolated at the airport or some other arrangements made, as well as handling unloading pax baggage for transfer to the replacement plane. Stuff happens and the PIC had to do the diversion for good reason and with consultation with DL's managers.

According to the link to FlightRadar24 posted earlier, the replacement plane won't be leaving SYA until 7 AM Christmas Day, arriving in SEA about 1:30 PM.


Do we think that they even deplane in a place like SYA in the winter time?

Assuming the plane has enough fuel to keep power on or an electrical hook up from the ground of course.

DL is sending a rescue plane relatively quickly.

It is an Air Force station, unlike the Cold Bay one from last year. Diversions there are not common, but they do happen from time to time. Probably an all hands on deck situation, but nothing they are not prepared to deal with.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:53 pm

alggag wrote:
They might just be best off staying on the plane.


Thirty straight hours on a plane that will run out of food and water and have overflowing toilets? Sounds like a great time for the passengers.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:45 pm

Rescue plane already arrived, Crew rest required

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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:49 pm

Amchi757300 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
KLASM83 wrote:
I wonder what accommodations are going to be like? Since it's a sparsely-populated area, probably some gym with lots of cots? Also wonder what everyone is doing for entertainment while waiting!

Interesting place for a divert, that's for sure!

Probably a lot better than a lot of places like in Eastern Russia or if involved a LCC. Customs/ICE could be an issue unless people are isolated at the airport or some other arrangements made, as well as handling unloading pax baggage for transfer to the replacement plane. Stuff happens and the PIC had to do the diversion for good reason and with consultation with DL's managers.

According to the link to FlightRadar24 posted earlier, the replacement plane won't be leaving SYA until 7 AM Christmas Day, arriving in SEA about 1:30 PM.


Do we think that they even deplane in a place like SYA in the winter time?

Assuming the plane has enough fuel to keep power on or an electrical hook up from the ground of course.

DL is sending a rescue plane relatively quickly.

Electrical hookup for a 767 on Shemya. That’s comical. It’s an active military instillation. I’m sure they are being taken care of.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:05 pm

What tail number had the issue?
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:38 pm

Wonder what flight they canceled to pull the 767 to operate the rescue flight? Don't think DL has spare 767's just sitting around SEA.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:52 pm

It’s in caretaker status, no longer active USAF use.

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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:25 am

32andBelow wrote:
Amchi757300 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Probably a lot better than a lot of places like in Eastern Russia or if involved a LCC. Customs/ICE could be an issue unless people are isolated at the airport or some other arrangements made, as well as handling unloading pax baggage for transfer to the replacement plane. Stuff happens and the PIC had to do the diversion for good reason and with consultation with DL's managers.

According to the link to FlightRadar24 posted earlier, the replacement plane won't be leaving SYA until 7 AM Christmas Day, arriving in SEA about 1:30 PM.


Do we think that they even deplane in a place like SYA in the winter time?

Assuming the plane has enough fuel to keep power on or an electrical hook up from the ground of course.

DL is sending a rescue plane relatively quickly.

Electrical hookup for a 767 on Shemya. That’s comical. It’s an active military instillation. I’m sure they are being taken care of.


Fair enough. Thanks for the insight. Could do without the attitude.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:51 am

Y’all know if this were an AA767 of the same vintage diverting this whole forum would be up in arms about how they need to go to the desert to chopped up immediately and AA is endangering the world population by continuing to fly them. Also Doug Parker should go to prison for not retiring them fast enough.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:02 am

N628AU wrote:
Y’all know if this were an AA767 of the same vintage diverting this whole forum would be up in arms about how they need to go to the desert to chopped up immediately and AA is endangering the world population by continuing to fly them. Also Doug Parker should go to prison for not retiring them fast enough.

Considering the AA 767s are notoriously unreliable....no crap
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:35 am

OptimusPrime315 wrote:
What tail number had the issue?


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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:50 am

There you g, “Stranded” on a remote Alaska island!!

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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:05 am

Man - they should have given up on the 757 and 767 by 2001.
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:14 am

N628AU wrote:
Y’all know if this were an AA767 of the same vintage diverting this whole forum would be up in arms about how they need to go to the desert to chopped up immediately and AA is endangering the world population by continuing to fly them. Also Doug Parker should go to prison for not retiring them fast enough.


Exactly, but since its DL...smh.

I would love to know just how many AA, UA and DL diversions happen over the Pacific each year. So far we have 2 Delta emergency landings on this thread, what about the other US carriers?
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:37 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Wonder what flight they canceled to pull the 767 to operate the rescue flight? Don't think DL has spare 767's just sitting around SEA.


I'd be surprised if they cancelled anything. Maybe delayed one or two flights at the most, but there likely was a 767 spare somewhere between MSP, SLC, LAX, and SEA. Especially with tomorrow being Christmas Day, there are likely more than a few dozen planes of various aircraft types sitting idle. From a fleet/aircraft routing perspective, I'm not sure there was a better day for this to happen.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:00 am

Seems like Delta's good for at least one of these a year on its Pacific 767 fleet. Can't imagine how much it costs them to fix and repo the airframes and people but it must be less than shelling out for new airframes. Hard to believe, especially with escalating fuel prices.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:37 am

LAXLHR wrote:
N628AU wrote:
Y’all know if this were an AA767 of the same vintage diverting this whole forum would be up in arms about how they need to go to the desert to chopped up immediately and AA is endangering the world population by continuing to fly them. Also Doug Parker should go to prison for not retiring them fast enough.


Exactly, but since its DL...smh.

I would love to know just how many AA, UA and DL diversions happen over the Pacific each year. So far we have 2 Delta emergency landings on this thread, what about the other US carriers?

Zero for UA or AA going to Asia. They are 777 or 787 only to Asia. Hawaii does get 767’s on UA I believe. AA A321, 777 and soon 787’s (they also get the 757 from PHX which might be an A330 at times too)
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:42 am

madpropsyo wrote:
Seems like Delta's good for at least one of these a year on its Pacific 767 fleet. Can't imagine how much it costs them to fix and repo the airframes and people but it must be less than shelling out for new airframes. Hard to believe, especially with escalating fuel prices.

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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:52 am

madpropsyo wrote:
Seems like Delta's good for at least one of these a year on its Pacific 767 fleet. Can't imagine how much it costs them to fix and repo the airframes and people but it must be less than shelling out for new airframes. Hard to believe, especially with escalating fuel prices.



Escalating fuel prices ? Where ?
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:12 am

aeromandan wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Wonder what flight they canceled to pull the 767 to operate the rescue flight? Don't think DL has spare 767's just sitting around SEA.


I'd be surprised if they cancelled anything. Maybe delayed one or two flights at the most, but there likely was a 767 spare somewhere between MSP, SLC, LAX, and SEA. Especially with tomorrow being Christmas Day, there are likely more than a few dozen planes of various aircraft types sitting idle. From a fleet/aircraft routing perspective, I'm not sure there was a better day for this to happen.


Well the rescue 767 came from SEA, so not sure what MSP, SLC or LAX has to do with anything. What am I missing?
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:28 am

nh767300 wrote:
DL website says December 24 DL 128 from PEK to SEA diverts to SYA (Shemya)... must have been an amazing place to land in late December....

Shemya is a damn interesting place to even Have to land so they must have been well south of there before they turned to Land or they could have made it back to Anchorage now that Adak is closed, If they were south of Shemya they were in ETOPS diversion limits of Hokiado Japan. I flew those areas while in the Nave flying the P3C Orion.
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:02 am

TWA1985 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
This website has a history of the island. http://shemya.hlswilliwaw.com/ It is about 1,200 miles SW of Anchorage, AK.

It was a military air base during WWII, critical for air access to battle the war in the western Pacific vs. Japan. After WW II, it continued as a watch point of Eastern Russia particularly during the cold war and still in use for by the US Military. It was a regular fuel stopover for military and civilian aircraft including NW's operations into the 1960's. There is a 10,000 ft runway there so can accommodate any aircraft. When longer range aircraft became available SYA was no longer needed for regular services, but continued to be as we saw today, part of diversion airports, an option for USA based ones vs. Russia. Often the weather is really rough, very cold, windy, snow, etc. so not a real tourist destination.

I would guess this diversion will have a domino effect for UA ops as most flights will be fully packed with persons going home to the USA for Christmas. Any idea what caused the diversion ?


I don’t think it’ll affect UA ops at all considering this is a Delta flight. :p

It sure as Heck won't after a diversion !! You would have to WANT to get to Shemya. Though? I've heard the fishing there is pretty good, Almost as good as Kodiak.
 
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Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:26 am

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Customs/ICE could be an issue unless people are isolated at the airport or some other arrangements made, as well as handling unloading pax baggage for transfer to the replacement plane.


Shemya Island 5.9 sq. mi.
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Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:54 pm

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nh767300 wrote:
DL website says December 24 DL 128 from PEK to SEA diverts to SYA (Shemya)... must have been an amazing place to land in late December....

Shemya is a damn interesting place to even Have to land so they must have been well south of there before they turned to Land or they could have made it back to Anchorage now that Adak is closed, If they were south of Shemya they were in ETOPS diversion limits of Hokiado Japan. I flew those areas while in the Nave flying the P3C Orion.


The flight is from PEK to SEA. Shemya was basically on their route. Picture courtesy of FlightRadar24. The plane icon is where they started descending.

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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:23 pm

Finn350 wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
nh767300 wrote:
DL website says December 24 DL 128 from PEK to SEA diverts to SYA (Shemya)... must have been an amazing place to land in late December....

Shemya is a damn interesting place to even Have to land so they must have been well south of there before they turned to Land or they could have made it back to Anchorage now that Adak is closed, If they were south of Shemya they were in ETOPS diversion limits of Hokiado Japan. I flew those areas while in the Nave flying the P3C Orion.


The flight is from PEK to SEA. Shemya was basically on their route. Picture courtesy of FlightRadar24. The plane icon is where they started descending.

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So, they were over Kamchatka when they started descending? Why not just land there?
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:29 pm

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Y’all know if this were an AA767 of the same vintage diverting this whole forum would be up in arms about how they need to go to the desert to chopped up immediately and AA is endangering the world population by continuing to fly them. Also Doug Parker should go to prison for not retiring them fast enough.


Exactly, but since its DL...smh.



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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:52 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
aeromandan wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Wonder what flight they canceled to pull the 767 to operate the rescue flight? Don't think DL has spare 767's just sitting around SEA.


I'd be surprised if they cancelled anything. Maybe delayed one or two flights at the most, but there likely was a 767 spare somewhere between MSP, SLC, LAX, and SEA. Especially with tomorrow being Christmas Day, there are likely more than a few dozen planes of various aircraft types sitting idle. From a fleet/aircraft routing perspective, I'm not sure there was a better day for this to happen.


Well the rescue 767 came from SEA, so not sure what MSP, SLC or LAX has to do with anything. What am I missing?


What you’re missing is the plane departed SEA, it wasn’t necessarily a spare sitting in SEA. It could have been anywhere in the DL system and flown into SEA. They departed SEA to avoid a crew rest issue in Shemya, same crew in/out back to SEA without needing a layover.

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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:21 pm

madpropsyo wrote:
Seems like Delta's good for at least one of these a year on its Pacific 767 fleet. Can't imagine how much it costs them to fix and repo the airframes and people but it must be less than shelling out for new airframes. Hard to believe, especially with escalating fuel prices.


Built in 2001. But it's a pre-1988 design which makes it inherently older tham any 777 or A320 before it.
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:30 pm

Would have love to have seen the scenery after taking off.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:52 pm

Pyrex wrote:
Finn350 wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
Shemya is a damn interesting place to even Have to land so they must have been well south of there before they turned to Land or they could have made it back to Anchorage now that Adak is closed, If they were south of Shemya they were in ETOPS diversion limits of Hokiado Japan. I flew those areas while in the Nave flying the P3C Orion.


The flight is from PEK to SEA. Shemya was basically on their route. Picture courtesy of FlightRadar24. The plane icon is where they started descending.

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So, they were over Kamchatka when they started descending? Why not just land there?


I can’t think any other reason than that the engine issue apparently wasn’t severe enough to force diversion to the nearest suitable aerodrome. They flew quite a bit over sea to reach the Aleutians.
 
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:23 pm

Finn350 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
Finn350 wrote:

The flight is from PEK to SEA. Shemya was basically on their route. Picture courtesy of FlightRadar24. The plane icon is where they started descending.

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So, they were over Kamchatka when they started descending? Why not just land there?


I can’t think any other reason than that the engine issue apparently wasn’t severe enough to force diversion to the nearest suitable aerodrome. They flew quite a bit over sea to reach the Aleutians.

We've had this discussion before on a.net, and "nearest suitable aerodrome" is perhaps a bit more open ended than the words suggest.

For instance the wording isn't "nearest viable aerodrome" and that leaves room for discretion as to what makes one aerodrome suitable and another not.

Also a lot of things need to happen from top of descent to landing so a fair amount of the time would be taken up in the course of events.

We don't know the nature of the engine problem so we don't know the level of concern.

I presume since we haven't seen tons of social media posts that the problem wasn't very dramatic.
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Re: DL 128 diverts to SYA (Shemya, Alaska)

Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:57 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
madpropsyo wrote:
Seems like Delta's good for at least one of these a year on its Pacific 767 fleet. Can't imagine how much it costs them to fix and repo the airframes and people but it must be less than shelling out for new airframes. Hard to believe, especially with escalating fuel prices.


Built in 2001. But it's a pre-1988 design which makes it inherently older tham any 777 or A320 before it.


Can you stop already with the old design? Troll.
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