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Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:21 pm

Any ideas what the wing in the bottom right belongs to? Thanks!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Original-Air ... 2516.l5255
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:09 pm

Can i ask why you need to know?
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:16 pm

Samrnpage wrote:
Can i ask why you need to know?


Can I ask why you need to ask why they are asking? It happens to be rather interesting, so if you don't know, don't participate!
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:17 pm

good catch..its a tough one....I'm going with some type of DC-8 70 series. Maybe a VIP conversion with a cargo door and some type of infrared device on the wingtip??
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:23 pm

Seems to be a DC-8-70 series with some special wing faring? Just a guess.
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:24 pm

I'd guess the NASA DC-8-72.
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:38 pm

SPREE34 wrote:
I'd guess the NASA DC-8-72.


That NASA DC8 doesn't have a cargo door...
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:44 pm

That’s a real toughy. It doesn’t look like a DC8. Any chance it’s a Convair 990? Spantax would have still been flying them in 1992.
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:46 pm

Perhaps an EC24 of the USN?
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:47 pm

Well that is a puzzler.

The French DC-8-70 Sarigues had a variety of things at wingtips but I don't think they had a cargo door.

Edit: yes, they did. Being DC-8-72CF
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:51 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
That’s a real toughy. It doesn’t look like a DC8. Any chance it’s a Convair 990? Spantax would have still been flying them in 1992.


I thought of the 990 too, but the engine pylons aren't right for that type...
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:09 pm

KingOrGod wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
That’s a real toughy. It doesn’t look like a DC8. Any chance it’s a Convair 990? Spantax would have still been flying them in 1992.


I thought of the 990 too, but the engine pylons aren't right for that type...


Yeah I was trying to do a pylon comparison too. Thought it might be a bit of a stretch. I don’t know why a DC8 with a modified wingtip (how many of those ever actually existed?) would be parked at a gate at LHR.

Maybe something Russian like an IL86?
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:22 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
KingOrGod wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
That’s a real toughy. It doesn’t look like a DC8. Any chance it’s a Convair 990? Spantax would have still been flying them in 1992.


I thought of the 990 too, but the engine pylons aren't right for that type...


Yeah I was trying to do a pylon comparison too. Thought it might be a bit of a stretch. I don’t know why a DC8 with a modified wingtip (how many of those ever actually existed?) would be parked at a gate at LHR.

Maybe something Russian like an IL86?


I doubt an IL86, as it has 2 boundary layer fences, which are absent in this picture.
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:32 pm

Looks like an E-6B. Outside chance it's an E-3D.
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:34 pm

Maybe A4O-HMQ, or a similarly equipped DC-8-73? Seems to check all the boxes- CFM engines, wingtip devices, white painted cowlings (looks like they were unpainted until the late 80s), and a cargo door. No idea what the devices on the wingtip or fuselage could be for. This appears to have been the Omani Sultan's transport before the 747SP (I think the rego number could be an acronym for His Majesty Qaboos)

1992:
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1989:
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Unknown date but the flickr titles indicates this is at LHR:

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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:42 pm

N415XJ wrote:
Maybe A4O-HMQ, or a similarly equipped DC-8-73?


Looks like the one. Thanks for clearing that up!
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:46 pm

Most definitely a DC-8 because of the nose air-intakes.

Has CFM56 engines -- so a DC-8 dash-70 series. Unique wingtip fences.

I don't know the carrier, perhaps a head of state?
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:49 pm

I've never seen that on a DC-8 wingtip before, interesting find. And N425XJ's first pic includes the semi-rare UA 74L at LHR! A real blast from the past.
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:50 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
KingOrGod wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
That’s a real toughy. It doesn’t look like a DC8. Any chance it’s a Convair 990? Spantax would have still been flying them in 1992.


I thought of the 990 too, but the engine pylons aren't right for that type...


Yeah I was trying to do a pylon comparison too. Thought it might be a bit of a stretch. I don’t know why a DC8 with a modified wingtip (how many of those ever actually existed?) would be parked at a gate at LHR.

Maybe something Russian like an IL86?


Engine looks to big to be an IL86. Also looks like the reverser is open so that would rule out IL86. I think it's the Sultan of Oman DC-8 A40-HMQ. Sadly there are no pics of it on A.net but I was able to dig up two that support on another site. Hopefully it's ok to post a link to them, but they are taken at Heathrow so we know the plane was there in the time frame of this photo. Here is one of them.

https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1004233

Edit: 415XJ Beat me to it :)
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:00 pm

[quote="N415XJ"]Maybe A4O-HMQ, or a similarly equipped DC-8-73? Seems to check all the boxes- CFM engines, wingtip devices, white painted cowlings (looks like they were unpainted until the late 80s), and a cargo door. No idea what the devices on the wingtip or fuselage could be for. This appears to have been the Omani Sultan's transport before the 747SP (I think the rego number could be an acronym for His Majesty Qaboos)

DING DING DING We have a winner! even the roof top VHF antennas are a match. I knew it was a VIP DC-8 conversion of some kind I just could not find it...Great job...
 
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Re: Help ID this type (LHR 1992)

Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:51 pm

Samrnpage wrote:
Can i ask why you need to know?


Thats probably the dumbest "I make myself special by implying to be in the know of something secret" question in a while. And thats quite a feat on a.net.

To the rest: nice catch!

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