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YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:44 am

Here's a little gem from March 1985: The last day of operations at the old ORD Terminal 1. Lots of stair boarding as well as right-hand side jetway boarding for the SR 747-300. Also close-ups of heavies operating from there. As a bonus, a tour of Terminal 4 later in the video.


Source: Youtube (user: W Mackey)
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:33 am

Thanks for sharing!
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:50 am

Whats difference between old T1 and T2/T3?
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:01 am

Wow, those ticketing areas are really a blast from the past. This is great footage!
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:11 am

That was awesome...especially the Air France lady, the Air Canada Cargo DC-8 and the back half of the Icelandair DC-8!
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:28 am

chunhimlai wrote:
Whats difference between old T1 and T2/T3?


They are all ERJ145s and CRJs :)
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:32 am

chunhimlai wrote:
Whats difference between old T1 and T2/T3?


Smaller terminal with customs and immigration in one concourse...there was also a concourse D that was used by domestic airlines.
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:38 am

Watched the start of it - amazing.

Now to find time to watch the rest of it. I love these sorts of videos.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:42 am

Also cool to see the temporary international "terminal" in the basement of the parking deck. There are not a lot of pictures of that facility floating around.
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:55 am

This was really cool, I loved seeing a day in the life of an airport from 1985. Great stuff. Thanks for sharing.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:55 am

Great video, thanks for sharing. Seemed like that out of all the airlines shown, more are defunct than currently flying under the same brand.
 
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Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:10 am

Nice piece of airline history! Thanks for sharing.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:22 am

Great video! Loved seeing the Republic DC-9-30 rolling out on landing, and the double-Herman the duck signage on the gate shared with Jet America. What was terminal 4? Was it basically Republic/Britt/Delta where present day concourse L is?

Also, what a dump! You forget how minimal those 60s modern terminals were. I was just talking to a friend the other day about being a kid at MSP in the early 80s running around on what is today concourse F, then NW's Red Concourse, and it being entirely cinder block walls, linoleum floors, and hard plastic chairs. The only color was the stylized red tail logo and Northwest Orient podium titles. Very similar to what is evident in this video.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:23 am

Awesome find. Thanks for sharing!
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:36 am

I have been there when I was a young man a long time ago! Whoa! It was a big changed at O'Hare.

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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:42 am

Ah, those were the days. Before mankind invented luggage wheels.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:08 am

This is great. Any other airports of the same era?
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:09 am

This is great. Any other airports of the same era?
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:36 am

[quote="TW870"]Great video! Loved seeing the Republic DC-9-30 rolling out on landing, and the double-Herman the duck signage on the gate shared with Jet America. What was terminal 4? Was it basically Republic/Britt/Delta where present day concourse L is?

I believe that was one of the H gates, prior to AA taking the whole Concourse H over.

Republic never operated out of Concourse L. Delta moved over to L and Republic merged into NW and moved to their gates on Concourse D and then over to E once UA moved into the new T-1.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:47 am

Seems like ORD was DC-10 heaven? I saw way more tri-holers than 747s which is rare for the 80s.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:03 am

Great video archive. Thanks for posting. What served as the "International Terminal" at ORD from March, 1985 until the present International Terminal opened in 1993? Thanks again.
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:15 am

Qantas59 wrote:
Great video archive. Thanks for posting. What served as the "International Terminal" at ORD from March, 1985 until the present International Terminal opened in 1993? Thanks again.


Terminal 4, as mentioned in the text below the video.

CARST wrote:
Seems like ORD was DC-10 heaven? I saw way more tri-holers than 747s which is rare for the 80s.


The caption to the video says that this was in March 1985, so I suppose it wasn't the main travel season, so e.g. Lufthansa came with a DC-10-30 instead of 747-200. Would make sense not to be switching terminals in the middle of peak summer travel season with multiple 747s arriving and departing.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:37 am

Here's an OAG map of ORD from 1991 that shows the detail of Terminal 4. The video starts to pan in the direction of Terminal 4 starting at the 10:45 time marker.

Source: Departedflights.com
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:02 am

DUSdude wrote:
CARST wrote:
Seems like ORD was DC-10 heaven? I saw way more tri-holers than 747s which is rare for the 80s.


The caption to the video says that this was in March 1985, so I suppose it wasn't the main travel season, so e.g. Lufthansa came with a DC-10-30 instead of 747-200. Would make sense not to be switching terminals in the middle of peak summer travel season with multiple 747s arriving and departing.


Why would have Lufthansa chosen the DC-10 over the 742 in the main travel season? Didn't the 742 have more seats? Or do you mean that the 742 was going somewhere else (holiday destination) and such the DC-10 subbed into the ORD flight? Also why would an airframe change result in a terminal change? I don't get your post.

In the video there seems to be only one 747 parked at T1, while quite a lot DC-10s are around. That's rare, considerung how many more 747s were built.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:23 pm

Qantas59 wrote:
Great video archive. Thanks for posting. What served as the "International Terminal" at ORD from March, 1985 until the present International Terminal opened in 1993? Thanks again.



Just a little more detail. T-4 has ticketing and baggage claim located in the first floor of the terminal parking garage. On the side opposite the vehicle traffic lanes, large busses parked at 4 "gates" and would take passengers to aircraft located on remote hardstands, located where the current international terminal was being built.

Many international airlines would relocate departures to gates, mostly located in T-3. Concourse L housed a lot of these departures during the time.

Domestic airlines would of course relocate their departures to a domestic terminal gate for departure.

I would expect the arrangement was not too bad for international to domestic connections. You would clear customs in T-4, then transit through short tunnels to your domestic departure gates. I was a kid at the time, so I never had the opportunity to try it.

Charters would use the terminal. I did have an opportunity to try this. In March 1993, just as T-5 was about completed, my grandparents took me on an ATA junket to Las Vegas. We arrived and departed from T-4, using the hardstand right by the soon to be new T-5. Was a TZ 72S with an arrival and transit through T-4 around 1 am.

There are some small remanants of this terminal left on the lower level of the parking garage today. This is now the ground transportation center where shuttles for car rentals and hotels arrive and depart. Pretty much just an indoor waiting area with some information booths. There may be a news stand left.

Let me know if you have any specific questions. I would spend Saturday and Sunday afternoons at ORD all during this time, hooked on aviation.

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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:35 pm

midway7 wrote:
Charters would use the terminal. I did have an opportunity to try this. In March 1993, just as T-5 was about completed, my grandparents took me on an ATA junket to Las Vegas. We arrived and departed from T-4, using the hardstand right by the soon to be new T-5. Was a TZ 72S with an arrival and transit through T-4 around 1 am.



How did that work out for a domestic arrival by bus? Was the international baggage claim used and you had to walk through customs/immigration?

Also, for those familiar with the old Terminal 1, did the terminal feature both upstairs as well as the featured downstairs gate lounges? Later in the video, you can make out gate C4 at ramp level, as well as what appears to be the upper level walkway with an international arrival partition, separated by a glass wall, next to it. Was the SR 747-300 with the right-hand side jetway connected to it boarding bridge boarded from an upstairs lounge?
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:26 am

phatfarmlines wrote:
Also, for those familiar with the old Terminal 1, did the terminal feature both upstairs as well as the featured downstairs gate lounges? Later in the video, you can make out gate C4 at ramp level, as well as what appears to be the upper level walkway with an international arrival partition, separated by a glass wall, next to it. Was the SR 747-300 with the right-hand side jetway connected to it boarding bridge boarded from an upstairs lounge?


The old Terminal 1 was primarily ground-level gates - all of the B gates and most of the C gates were at ground level. There was a small second-level holdroom at the end of Concourse C with four jetbridges. It was added sometime in the early-mid 1970s to handle widebody aircraft.

What a great video, by the way - glad someone had the presence of mind back in 1985 to go in there with a camcorder and document things in such a detailed way. I've seen somewhat similar videos for the old PIT and Denver Stapleton during their final days as well.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:43 am

chunhimlai wrote:
Whats difference between old T1 and T2/T3?

they were basically the same with the exception that 3 and 3 had Y shaped terminals. I was only at United a short while before the terminal was torn down and rebuilt.
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:16 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
midway7 wrote:
Charters would use the terminal. I did have an opportunity to try this. In March 1993, just as T-5 was about completed, my grandparents took me on an ATA junket to Las Vegas. We arrived and departed from T-4, using the hardstand right by the soon to be new T-5. Was a TZ 72S with an arrival and transit through T-4 around 1 am.



How did that work out for a domestic arrival by bus? Was the international baggage claim used and you had to walk through customs/immigration?

This is from memory, but I recall some type of bypass hallway with a small domestic baggage claim area? It was set up to handle domestic arrivals. I would expect the airport was getting busier during the 1985 to 1993 timeframe, so domestic overflow at T-4 was probably common. ATA and Pan Am (up to 1991) did this. There were likely others.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:24 pm

midway7 wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
midway7 wrote:
Charters would use the terminal. I did have an opportunity to try this. In March 1993, just as T-5 was about completed, my grandparents took me on an ATA junket to Las Vegas. We arrived and departed from T-4, using the hardstand right by the soon to be new T-5. Was a TZ 72S with an arrival and transit through T-4 around 1 am.



How did that work out for a domestic arrival by bus? Was the international baggage claim used and you had to walk through customs/immigration?

This is from memory, but I recall some type of bypass hallway with a small domestic baggage claim area? It was set up to handle domestic arrivals. I would expect the airport was getting busier during the 1985 to 1993 timeframe, so domestic overflow at T-4 was probably common. ATA and Pan Am (up to 1991) did this. There were likely others.


Was the TZ flying in the 80s and 90s (there are also a couple of references to a TZ flight to FPO in the video) scheduled or charter? I'm too young to have memories of TZ at ORD; I just remember the MDW hub.
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:24 pm

I used to pop into the ticket lobby to collect timetables on my way up to TVC back in the late '60s and early '70s. . Braniff gates where I arrived from MKC was closest domestic gate to this aging in terminal.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:43 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
midway7 wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:


How did that work out for a domestic arrival by bus? Was the international baggage claim used and you had to walk through customs/immigration?

This is from memory, but I recall some type of bypass hallway with a small domestic baggage claim area? It was set up to handle domestic arrivals. I would expect the airport was getting busier during the 1985 to 1993 timeframe, so domestic overflow at T-4 was probably common. ATA and Pan Am (up to 1991) did this. There were likely others.


Was the TZ flying in the 80s and 90s (there are also a couple of references to a TZ flight to FPO in the video) scheduled or charter? I'm too young to have memories of TZ at ORD; I just remember the MDW hub.


ATA didn't start non charter flying until the late '80's-early '90's. I think it started out of IND and then later MDW. I don't believe ATA ever flew scheduled flights out of ORD. In 1986 a TZ DC-10-40 caught fire on the ground at ORD due to a mishandled O2 canister. That plane had just flown a HNL-LAX-ORD charter.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:24 pm

I do not ever remember scheduled TZ service ever at ORD. The flights I took to Vegas were charter. In the 90's, they did some charters on the L10's to Vegas and Hawaii. I believe the Hawaii charters were called "Pleasant Hawaii Vacations" or something like that. They used a NW gate at the end of Concourse E for these.

I believe the first scheduled TZ service was from IND to RSW.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:44 pm

For those familiar with the site, you can recommend it as highly as I can:

https://historicaerials.com/viewer

Yes, there are a lot of watermarks, however, as a research tool, this is google satellite view from years past. You'll have to manually enter O'Hare airport, but once you've centered it, there are multiple years viewable.

The 1974 view shows the original Terminal 1. You can even identify the locations of much of the video.

The 1988 view shows a the current layout, but with the southernmost old pier attached to the new construction.

The 1993 view shows the finished product.
 
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Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:19 pm

Here's what the building looked like:

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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:34 pm

I took the video (i think the date was 19Mar85). I had worked at AF and spent a lot of time doing the signage <<Air France-The Concorde Airlines welcomes.....> that was marked as trash. Also worked for Gerard Gauvreaux AF Station Manager and Cathy O'Leary (both pictured on the tape. Terminal 1 was the old domestic terminal prior to new terminals 2 and 3 that opened in 1962. Terminal 1 became international. At some point, an upper section was added with two? C jetway gates and B jetway gates. Back in the 70s, NW and TW would usually get B-1 AF was usally B3,4 or 5 (airstairs. Wasn't until the 80's AF started using the jetways. KL, SR seemed to use the jetways. A number of international carriers (charter flights) B-Cal (707), LOT IL62, TransAmerica (DC-8/DC-10) JAT (707/DC-10) used to visit. The AF station office was off gate B-3. The whine of the turbine engines was delightfully loud and the combusted kerosene intoxicating. One night around 2300, a Pan Am DC-10 had a mechanical and showed up un-announced. The temporary international terminal (T-4) opened the day after this video was shot. It was on the ground level of the parking structure and served pax until the opening of T-5 in 1993? It then reverted to automobile lot. Pax were bused to aircraft at a hardstand across the taxiway from the L gates (next to what was formerly the cargo areas for AA/TW/FT and PA. Jet America had six flights a day 3 to Long Beach and 3 to Oakland. They used Republic's gate H-9. Jet America also used a portion of Republics ticket counter. Glad you enjoyed the tape. Too bad the defunct carriers are gone with their interesting liveries.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:48 pm

I flew in and out of ORD in 1980 on AA.....which terminal would I have flown through? Does that terminal still exist today? Thanks in advance for the responses :)
 
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Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:54 pm

I took the video (I believe the date was 19Mar85). I had worked at AF and spent a lot of time doing pre-flight signage <<Air France-The Concorde Airlines welcomes.....> that was marked as trash. In those days, we also made monogrammed matchbooks for 1st class pax. Later in the video, you see two AF colleagues, Gerard Gauvreaux, AF Station Manager and Cathy O'Leary, ORDKKAF. Terminal 1 served as first domestic terminal prior to the opening of the new modern jet terminals 2 and 3 (opened 1962). At that point, terminal 1 became the international terminal. Originally, all gates were at ground lever; later an upper section was added with two? C jetway gates and B jetway gates. If an international arrived and debarked pax using the jetway, the lucky pax used a sterile hallway to walk back to the terminal to pass through customs. Those flights that debarked outside, walked on the tarmac from the aircraft to a ground level entrance way. Back in the 70s, NW (TYO) and TW (LHR /CDG) would usually be assigned gate B-1. AF was usally assigned to gates B3, 4 or 5 and used air stairs. Wasn't until the 80's AF started using the jetways. KL, SR seemed to use the jetways most often.. A number of international carriers hadcharter flights; B-Cal (707), LOT IL62, TransAmerica (DC-8/DC-10) JAT (707/DC-10) used to visit. Domestic airlines that did not have gate space also us the old T-1; PeoplExpress, on occassion Trans-Texas DC-9s would pop up the most interesting of all, a Lufthansa 737 which was used as crew training. The AF station office was off gate B-3. The whine of the turbine engines was delightfully loud and the combusted kerosene intoxicating. One night around 2300, a Pan Am DC-10 had a mechanical, diverted and parked without any Pan Am staff on duty. The temporary international terminal (T-4) opened the day after this video was shot. It was on the ground level of the parking structure and served pax until the opening of T-5 in 1993? It then reverted serving as an auto park. Pax were bused to aircraft that were parked at a hardstand across the taxiway from the L gates (next to what was formerly the cargo areas for AA/TW/FT and PA. A special two lane sterile roadway surrounded by tall barbed wire fencing had to be constructed; it provided a circuitous routing and included specially built underpass beneath two taxiways. At the video's end: Jet America had six daily DC9-80 flights: 3 to Long Beach and 3 to Oakland. They used Republic's gate H-9. Jet America also used a portion of Republics ticket counter. Glad you enjoyed the tape. Too bad the defunct carriers are gone with their interesting liveries and various aircraft.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:37 pm

Today's terminals are too boring. You can almost predict what they look like even if you never been to one.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:11 pm

Thank you for posting this amazing video!

Was terminal 4 featured in "Home Alone"? There were lots of scenes in terminal 3 and terminal 2 (scenes that were supposed to take place at ORY, with an EA 72S in the background :smile: ). I don't recognize the location where John Candy offered to help the mom, portrayed as Scranton-was that in terminal 4?

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Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:12 pm

This video is also pretty cool. PEK in 1997:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exqw0YuU3Tg
 
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Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:14 pm

Thank you for posting this amazing video!

Was terminal 4 featured in "Home Alone"? There were lots of scenes in terminal 3 and terminal 2 (scenes that were supposed to take place at ORY, with an EA 72S in the background :smile: ). I don't recognize the location where John Candy offered to help the mom, portrayed as Scranton-was that in terminal 4?

Thanks in advance, and Happy New Year!
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:25 pm

Great footage but ...wow what an abysmal looking terminal, even for 1985. Incredibly inadequate, dated and grim, looks like it should have been replaced 10-20 years earlier. Great seeing all those classics, must have been a challenge boarding those from stairways in the dead of winter.
 
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Re: YouTube video of ORD old Terminal 1 on last day of ops (1985)

Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:11 am

uclax wrote:

Was terminal 4 featured in "Home Alone"? There were lots of scenes in terminal 3 and terminal 2 (scenes that were supposed to take place at ORY, with an EA 72S in the background :smile: ). I don't recognize the location where John Candy offered to help the mom, portrayed as Scranton-was that in terminal 4?

Thanks in advance, and Happy New Year!


You're almost right! Terminal 4 was in fact in "Home Alone" but only briefly - it was made up to be ORY and appears briefly when Kevin's family are running out of arrivals to contact the police. They even hung a "Bienvenue a Paris - Orly Aeroport Internationale" sign over the arrivals door!

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