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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:43 pm

EFHK wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
I calculated the numbers based on last summer's traffic and already mentioned service changes for S20:

    - Finnair will receive 2 new A350 in 1H2020. So, AY should be able to add 14 (-ish) weekly flights (one new long-haul a/c = +7 weekly flights) to its long-haul network.
    - Of these available 14 weekly frequencies, 3 will be used to Busan (and thus 11 left).
    - PKX will be flown 3x weekly with A330. The timetable shows that BKK decreases from 10 to 7 weekly flights. So basically no changes here.
    - One A350 will be moved from 1 daily NRT to HND, no aircraft changes here either.
    - CKG (4 weekly) is not returning in S20, thus one A330 released from this route on 4 days.


OK, I see your logic now. However, there seems to be a little flaw. HND will actually take 7 of those 14 weekly flights, since the route will tie up 2 frames instead of one (as was the case with the second NRT), because the route is a red-eye to both directions, thus not fitting into the 24-hour pattern.

You're right. I didn't take that into consideration :lol: Hence, unless I'm wrong, AY has an A330 available for 4 flights per week and A350 for 4 as well. There is still room for some expansion. Let's see what AY will do ;)
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:05 pm

SAS' A320neo #28 has been delivered today

From Skyliner
Airbus A320 -251N 9074 SE-ROS SAS delivery 30oct19 XFW-ARN
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:29 pm

More sad news for ARN:

Kiev Boryspil – Stockholm Arlanda eff 16NOV19 Reduce from 11-12 to 7 weekly


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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:12 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
The first SAS ATR72 is painted in the new colours: https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewph ... icid=10494


Looking good :-)
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:14 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
More sad news for ARN:

Kiev Boryspil – Stockholm Arlanda eff 16NOV19 Reduce from 11-12 to 7 weekly


Routesonline


It’s sad. I wonder how the new OSL-KBP is performing? On the days there are no direct flight from Osl, I’m never offered the option to connect in ARN. Not even on SAS website.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:55 pm

Someone83 wrote:
SAS is closing Stockholm-Örnsköldsvik from Feb 1., however Sveaflyg will take over the route with up to 5 daily Saab 2000 flight

In Swedish
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vaste ... nskoldsvik
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vaste ... ik-arlanda


Are Sveaflyg an airline with an AOC or are they just a travel agency ? Their website indicates they do not have an AOC of their own and are using the paperwork of Lipican Aer instead, which makes me wonder who will really be operated the Stockholm-Ornskoldsvik route...
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:08 pm

Oykie wrote:
It’s sad. I wonder how the new OSL-KBP is performing? On the days there are no direct flight from Osl, I’m never offered the option to connect in ARN. Not even on SAS website.


Remember ARN-KBP is not with SAS, but Ukrainian Airlines. And don't think SAS tries to feed them at ARN. At least not by selling tickets on their own website
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:16 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Oykie wrote:
It’s sad. I wonder how the new OSL-KBP is performing? On the days there are no direct flight from Osl, I’m never offered the option to connect in ARN. Not even on SAS website.


Remember ARN-KBP is not with SAS, but Ukrainian Airlines. And don't think SAS tries to feed them at ARN. At least not by selling tickets on their own website


That makes more sense. I assumed it was SAS, not sure why. Every time Air Baltic is fastest and cheapest. Except the dates SAS flies nonstop. Thank you for clarifying :-)
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:19 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
SAS is closing Stockholm-Örnsköldsvik from Feb 1., however Sveaflyg will take over the route with up to 5 daily Saab 2000 flight

In Swedish
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vaste ... nskoldsvik
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vaste ... ik-arlanda


Are Sveaflyg an airline with an AOC or are they just a travel agency ? Their website indicates they do not have an AOC of their own and are using the paperwork of Lipican Aer instead, which makes me wonder who will really be operated the Stockholm-Ornskoldsvik route...


That sounds bad. There needs to be an airline that will connect the destinations to the world in any case. If OER gets shut down outside ARN, BMA should take care of it.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:27 pm

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You're right. I didn't take that into consideration :lol: Hence, unless I'm wrong, AY has an A330 available for 4 flights per week and A350 for 4 as well. There is still room for some expansion. Let's see what AY will do ;)


Yes there's that little bit of room for expansion. And even if the new routes (LAX), won't take care of it, there's still some destinations that could be served normally.

However, current conditions seem to dictate that LAX is the primary gateway to the west coast, and that's what I'll live with for now!
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:24 pm

The profitable Thomas Cook Northern Europe (Ving Group) has been bought by three investors, a Norwegian property tycoon Petter Stordalen and two private equity firms.

So Thomas Cook Airlines Scandinavia keep on flying, the brand hardly stays the same though. Group's Finnish agency Tjäreborg (originally Danish) has been a strong brand in Finland and DK has been a common sight in HEL, good to see their story didn't end.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thom ... SKBN1X914J
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:46 pm

Someone83 wrote:
SAS is closing Stockholm-Örnsköldsvik from Feb 1., however Sveaflyg will take over the route with up to 5 daily Saab 2000 flight

In Swedish
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vaste ... nskoldsvik

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vaste ... ik-arlanda


Air Leap also announced Örnsköldsvik. 20x weekly with ATR-72 from Feb 01.

I doubt it is room for both
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:48 pm

This is your pilot speaking. Welcome to flight one from here to there. We'll be flying at a height of ten feet, going up to twelve and a half feet if we see anything big. My copilot today is a flask of coffee.

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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:30 pm

SE-REZ is done at SAS, so the 737-700 fleet is now down to 25, although SE-RET is stored with cracked pickle fork. Same with LN-RPK, although this is scheduled to leave the fleet this month. So means 23 active 700s.

SE-REZ har been leased from GECAS since November 2013, and has previously been with Aloha and Jet Airways

Boeing 737 -76N 32738 1392 SE-REZ SAS ferried 31oct19 RZE-DUB for paint into all white prior return to lessor
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:08 am

2 more 737-600 leaving SAS for partout and scrap. That leaves SAS with a single 737-600 left in the fleet

Boeing 737 -683 28288 49 LN-RRO SAS ferried 04nov19 ARN-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex SE-DNM
Boeing 737 -683 28313 447 LN-RGK SAS ferried 04nov19 OSL-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex SE-DTH
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:21 am

Someone83 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
SAS is closing Stockholm-Örnsköldsvik from Feb 1., however Sveaflyg will take over the route with up to 5 daily Saab 2000 flight

In Swedish
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vaste ... nskoldsvik

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vaste ... ik-arlanda


Air Leap also announced Örnsköldsvik. 20x weekly with ATR-72 from Feb 01.

I doubt it is room for both


If SAS couldn't make Ö-vik profitable with an ATR72, I think it might be harder for Air Leap to do the same without a huge network of connecting flights at ARN. A Saab 2000 or Saab 340 sounds more reasonable. But who knows?

There are however also rumours that BRA is considering OER.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:50 pm

SAS' 29th A320neo has been delivered

Airbus A320-251N 9116 SE-ROT SAS delivery 06nov19 XFW-CPH ex D-AUBX
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:35 am

October was a record-breaking month for Finnair! The airline carried 1.3 million passengers (+10.9%) while the PLF rose by 2.8pp. Passenger volumes to Europe, Asia, and North America increased by double-digit numbers.

Well done!


In October, Finnair carried 1,266,000 passengers, 10.9% more than in the corresponding period of 2018. The overall capacity measured in Available Seat Kilometres (ASK) increased in October by 10.1%. Finnair's traffic measured in Revenue Passenger Kilometres (RPKs) increased by 14.1%, and the Passenger Load Factor (PLF) increased year-on-year by 2.8% points to 82.3%.

Finnair’s long-haul capacity increased year-on-year with three new A350 aircraft that entered the service after the comparison period. The ASK growth in Asian traffic was 12.5%, mainly due to the doubling of frequencies to Hong Kong and increased frequencies to Osaka. The North American capacity increased by 27.5% following the opening of the new Los Angeles route in March.


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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:03 am

Someone83 wrote:
2 more 737-600 leaving SAS for partout and scrap. That leaves SAS with a single 737-600 left in the fleet

Boeing 737 -683 28288 49 LN-RRO SAS ferried 04nov19 ARN-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex SE-DNM
Boeing 737 -683 28313 447 LN-RGK SAS ferried 04nov19 OSL-DGX, for part-out & scrap ex SE-DTH


Airfleets.com hasn't been updated yet to reflect this but that leaves 56 NGs in the fleet now? The Airbus narrow body fleet is quickly catching up with 43 aircraft.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:10 am

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Airfleets.com hasn't been updated yet to reflect this but that leaves 56 NGs in the fleet now?


Yes, although there are 2 -700s stored, with cracked pickle forks, with one, LN-RPK, supposed to leave the fleet this month anyway. So only 54 active NGs
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:18 am

HEL October 2019 statistics

Domestic: 226,902 (-4.2%)
International: 1,677,053 (+6.4%)
Total: 1,903,955 (+5.1%)

Total YTD: 18,575,952 (+5.5%)
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:20 pm

Next decade, AY will move its focus from rapid growth to sustainable profitable growth. The annual capacity growth will go down from double-digit to single-digit.

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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:35 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Next decade, AY will move its focus from rapid growth to sustainable profitable growth. The annual capacity growth will go down from double-digit to single-digit.

Finnair


That makes sense. More news coming on 12 November 2019, narrow body news?

Finnair will elaborate on network and fleet optimization, operational excellence, retailing strategy and sustainability.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:32 am

MareBorealis wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Next decade, AY will move its focus from rapid growth to sustainable profitable growth. The annual capacity growth will go down from double-digit to single-digit.

Finnair


That makes sense. More news coming on 12 November 2019, narrow body news?

Finnair will elaborate on network and fleet optimization, operational excellence, retailing strategy and sustainability.

I believe the narrow-body fleet order will be brought up with a question like whether the planes will be leased from a leasing company or ordered directly from the manufacturer. It may, however, touch on Finnair's network optimization plan, if AY's fleet plan includes the use of narrow-bodies on long-haul routes (e.g. A321LR/XLR).
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:39 am

The trend of declining PAX volumes continues at ARN...

ARN October 2019 statistics

Domestic: 461,000 (-8%)
International: 1,781,000 (-3%)
Total: 2,242,000 (-4%)

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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:27 am

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The trend of declining PAX volumes continues at ARN...

ARN October 2019 statistics

Domestic: 461,000 (-8%)
International: 1,781,000 (-3%)
Total: 2,242,000 (-4%)

Swedavia


Swedish domestic is falling all over, but seems to be worse on airports were tghe main routes have competition from the train

Airports like GOT and BMA is having growth on international routes

https://www.swedavia.se/globalassets/st ... 201910.pdf
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:15 am

Last week four new routes were launched from GOT by Ryanair/Lauda!

Gdansk: 3 weekly
Budapest: 2 weekly
Katowice: 2 weekly
Vienna: 2 weekly (OE)

At the same time four routes that were launched in March becomes year-around services, namely:

Manchester: 2 weekly
Dublin: 2 weekly
Prague: 2 weekly
Barcelona: 2 weekly

Add to that an old route (BGY 2 weekly) that was always a summer seasonal, also becomes year-around!

Six routes on FR/OE last winter has now become 15 this year! We hope this will offset the massive decline in domestic traffic...
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:14 am

SAS expects better results for 2019 than previously announced.

https://www.sasgroup.net/en/expected-ea ... r-figures/

Also traffic numbers for October shows growth in passenger and yield

SAS’ outlook in the third quarter report was “that it will be challenging to reach a positive result before tax and items affecting comparability in fiscal year 2019”. As a result of strong passenger figures and an improved unit revenue, the outlook is revised as SAS’ earnings before tax and items affecting comparability is estimated to be in the range of SEK 700-800 million for the fiscal year 2019.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:55 pm

The numbers in ARN are starting to look disastrous and I am sure it will get worse in November and December. That said, given the overall attitude towards air travel in the country, they are getting what they deserve.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:37 am

SAS will recieve their first A350-900, SE-RSA, on November 28th/29th, depending on when Airbus release the aircraft to them.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:24 am

Numbers at ARN, especially for domestic pax, are not good but I would not call them disastrous. The evonomy has good and bad times, and business has to be able to adapt. Deploying aircraft to non-Swedish hubs, leasing out aircraft, freeze staff hiring, non-renewal of staff on temporary contracts will likely all be considered
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:56 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Numbers at ARN, especially for domestic pax, are not good but I would not call them disastrous. The evonomy has good and bad times, and business has to be able to adapt. Deploying aircraft to non-Swedish hubs, leasing out aircraft, freeze staff hiring, non-renewal of staff on temporary contracts will likely all be considered


But is the drop at Swedish airports only because of the economy or are these other factors at play like an unfriendly government attitude towards civil aviation? After all, from what I understood, SK moved some long-haul flights out of ARN not because there was no demand but because of increased aviation taxation.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:59 pm

TUIfly Netherlands starting new triangle routes AMS to Northern Finland, seasonal service (738):

Amsterdam – Kittila eff 15DEC19 1 weekly
Amsterdam – Kittila – Ivalo – Amsterdam eff 22DEC19 1 weekly
Amsterdam – Kittila – Kuusamo – Amsterdam eff 22DEC19 1 weekly (2 weekly 23JAN20 – 05MAR20)
Amsterdam – Kittila – Rovaniemi – Amsterdam 21DEC19 – 14MAR20 1 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-w19/

The northern airports are expecting a busy season. The most expected new operator is Turkish Airliens, the 3x weekly IST-RVN seasonal service (738) will start on DEC 5. The flight time IST-RVN is 4h 40min.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:12 am

Blerg wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Numbers at ARN, especially for domestic pax, are not good but I would not call them disastrous. The evonomy has good and bad times, and business has to be able to adapt. Deploying aircraft to non-Swedish hubs, leasing out aircraft, freeze staff hiring, non-renewal of staff on temporary contracts will likely all be considered


But is the drop at Swedish airports only because of the economy or are these other factors at play like an unfriendly government attitude towards civil aviation? After all, from what I understood, SK moved some long-haul flights out of ARN not because there was no demand but because of increased aviation taxation.



Swedish railway company SJ has so far this year increased passengers with 11%, domestic aviation declined in the same time 8%.
Also BRA is selling or scraping their whole AVRO fleet to only use ATRs and Norwegian has reduced frequencies after selling 12 planes to be able to survive. So probably several factors contributing.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:51 am

Anybody have the details about Norwegians supposely expansion in regional flights in the Nordics? Check-in has a pay-wall article about this.. Source: https://check-in.dk/norwegian-bryder-sa ... eks-ruter/

EDIT: Found all details here: https://www.travelnews.se/norwegian/nor ... ndinavien/
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:10 am

minilinde wrote:
Anybody have the details about Norwegians supposely expansion in regional flights in the Nordics? Check-in has a pay-wall article about this.. Source: https://check-in.dk/norwegian-bryder-sa ... eks-ruter/

EDIT: Found all details here: https://www.travelnews.se/norwegian/nor ... ndinavien/


However, wonder what the net growth is, For Norwegian has also been reducing or ceasing other routes as the same time.

Haven't seen any info about the Norwegian routes, but this seems to be the details for the Danish and Swedish:

CPH: Hamburg, Palanga, Gdansk, Poznan og Szczecin - all 2x weekly
BLL: Stavanger and Bergen - unknown frequency

ARN: Palanga and Gdansk 2x weekly and Tivat 1x weekly,
GOT: Gdansk 2x weekly

Some of it seems to be seasonal
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:14 am

Norwegian is playing russian roulette with Maxes. They are phasing out around 20 (owned and leased) 737-800's before Q2/2020. There would be operational nightmare if Maxes doesn't return to service before summer season.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:56 pm

New routes to/from Norway with Norwegian:

OSL:
DUS - 4x weekly
KUN - 2x weekly
WRO - 2x weekly
POZ - 2x weekly

TRD:
GDN - 2x weekly

In addition is the already mentioned BLL to BGO and SVG


Increased frequencies:
OSL:
EDI from 7x til 9x weekly
PLQ from 3x til 7x weekly
GDN from 9x til 11x weekly
KRK from 7x til 9x weekly
RIX from 8x til 12x weekly
BLL from 7x to 9x weekly
NAP from 2x to 3x weekly
GVA from 3x to 4x weekly

BGO:
ALC from 4x to 7x weekly

SVG:
LGW from 6x to 10x weekly
ALC from 5x to 7x weekly
SPU from 1x to 2x weekly
PMI from 1x to 2x weekly

However on Swedish domestic: ARN-MMX is dropped
 
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:33 am

Unfortunately, Vueling seems to have discontinued its Barcelona–Helsinki route. The last flight was operated on October 25, 2019. No flights bookable during W19 or S20 seasons.

While Finnair opens a route to Tirana on 16 May 2020, Norwegian will compete with AY on the route as D8 opens a route to Tirana from HEL three weeks later on 3 June 2020.

    The timetable is the following:

    D8456 HEL 08:50 – 11:00 TIR 738 (Wed)
    D8457 TIR 11:45 – 15:50 HEL 738 (Wed)
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:16 am

Someone83 wrote:
minilinde wrote:
Anybody have the details about Norwegians supposely expansion in regional flights in the Nordics? Check-in has a pay-wall article about this.. Source: https://check-in.dk/norwegian-bryder-sa ... eks-ruter/

EDIT: Found all details here: https://www.travelnews.se/norwegian/nor ... ndinavien/


However, wonder what the net growth is, For Norwegian has also been reducing or ceasing other routes as the same time.

Haven't seen any info about the Norwegian routes, but this seems to be the details for the Danish and Swedish:

CPH: Hamburg, Palanga, Gdansk, Poznan og Szczecin - all 2x weekly
BLL: Stavanger and Bergen - unknown frequency

ARN: Palanga and Gdansk 2x weekly and Tivat 1x weekly,
GOT: Gdansk 2x weekly

Some of it seems to be seasonal


Copenhagen to Hamburg seems highly optimistic.
 
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:45 am

Finnair estimates to invest €3.5-4 billion in the narrow-body fleet which would mean 30-40 new aircraft. The decision is expected to be made between 2020 and 2025.

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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:34 pm

At Finnair Capital Markets Day:

Finnair to have approximately 100 aircraft in 2025, of which 30 will be long-haul aircraft. In addition to new narrow-body aircraft, AY "will need more long-haul aircraft" in order to strengthen their current business model as a Europe–Asia airline.

Regarding the network, CEO Mr. Manner said that Finnair will increase frequencies on high yielding routes to Asian megacities rather than adding new destinations in Asia. So, we're going to see more flights to destinations such as Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Seoul, Singapore... etc.

Moreover, AY will be adding flights to other "banks" rather than to their current "main bank" in the afternoon.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:47 pm

Yes, more wide-bodies coming to Finnair in the future:

“The first batch of investment will go to the narrowbody side in order to renew some of the narrowbody fleet” Ole Orvér, CCO of Finnair explained. “We will then address the widebody order to expand our long-haul fleet”.

aviationanalyst.co.uk


Regarding Finnair's network plan of focusing more on Asian megacities, AY will make current daily routes to be flown 2x daily while current twice-daily routes 3x daily. However, I believe Finnair will continue to open new destinations depending on the market situation. For example, I would see AY expanding in India when the market has developed enough (maybe after a few years from now). The same goes for Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur. But as usual, AY cannot expand the way they want if they don't get more Russian overflight permits and more operating rights at airports such as Shanghai.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:52 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
At Finnair Capital Markets Day:

Finnair to have approximately 100 aircraft in 2025, of which 30 will be long-haul aircraft. In addition to new narrow-body aircraft, AY "will need more long-haul aircraft" in order to strengthen their current business model as a Europe–Asia airline.

Regarding the network, CEO Mr. Manner said that Finnair will increase frequencies on high yielding routes to Asian megacities rather than adding new destinations in Asia. So, we're going to see more flights to destinations such as Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Seoul, Singapore... etc.

Moreover, AY will be adding flights to other "banks" rather than to their current "main bank" in the afternoon.


So nothing beyond extrapolation of current trend? Not even a minor update of strategy, except marketing of greener flying.

So we expect sooner or later an order of 321NEO and 320NEO (possibly a lease contract) followed by 350-9/?
No XLR anticipated as the 30 long-haul planes are referred to as widebodies?
Most exciting might be 220.

The development of new banks might be interesting, though, if they are full two-directional banks, not just one-directional midnight and morning banks.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:42 pm

AY also confirmed their widebody fleet will be equipped with the new Premium Economy cabin between Nov 2020 - mid 2022.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:47 pm

YIMBY wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
At Finnair Capital Markets Day:

Finnair to have approximately 100 aircraft in 2025, of which 30 will be long-haul aircraft. In addition to new narrow-body aircraft, AY "will need more long-haul aircraft" in order to strengthen their current business model as a Europe–Asia airline.

Regarding the network, CEO Mr. Manner said that Finnair will increase frequencies on high yielding routes to Asian megacities rather than adding new destinations in Asia. So, we're going to see more flights to destinations such as Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Seoul, Singapore... etc.

Moreover, AY will be adding flights to other "banks" rather than to their current "main bank" in the afternoon.


So nothing beyond extrapolation of current trend? Not even a minor update of strategy, except marketing of greener flying.

The only major (new) change in strategy is that the focus from accelerated growth to slower sustainable profitable growth. Narrow-body order and Finnair becoming more of a premium airline have been known already.

YIMBY wrote:
So we expect sooner or later an order of 321NEO and 320NEO (possibly a lease contract) followed by 350-9/?
No XLR anticipated as the 30 long-haul planes are referred to as widebodies?
Most exciting might be 220.

The development of new banks might be interesting, though, if they are full two-directional banks, not just one-directional midnight and morning banks.

Finnair has not yet told anything about which aircraft the order will contain. I'd say the order will 99% be for A320neo-family and perhaps A220. However, CFO Mika Stirkkinen said that in the future more aircraft will be owned rather than leased and the upcoming aircraft order will be financed by AY's yields. Regarding the wide-body order (which might take place around 2025–), I believe it'll include replacement aircraft for current A330s, perhaps A330neo or A350.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:15 pm

YIMBY wrote:


So nothing beyond extrapolation of current trend? Not even a minor update of strategy, except marketing of greener flying.

The development of new banks might be interesting, though, if they are full two-directional banks, not just one-directional midnight and morning banks.


Yeah, I must say I was a little bit underwhelmed.

But that might just be a good thing. Focus where the yields are. Keep doing what you now for sure is profitable.

Then again, I'm not so sure about Airbus getting the widebody order. The fact that they're being very silent about it might indicate that the time is not right to make any announcements (MAX problems). Add to the fact that the current CEO has financial background, he might value a financially good deal more than some other qualities (and Boeing does really need new confidence in MAX).

I still think it's much more probable that Airbus will get the order, but I think it's far from certain.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:00 pm

EFHK wrote:

Then again, I'm not so sure about Airbus getting the widebody order.


Sorry, obviously meant the narrowbody order.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:26 pm

Do you guys think AY could show at some point in future interest in Norwegian?

Norwegian has a "strong" and extensive network between Scandinavia, Europe and the UK to USA.
Finnair has one of the most extensive networks from Europe and Helsinki to Asia.

They could truly be a strong competitor for SAS in Scandinavia and from their hubs, and work in different regions of the planet.

I am sure I haven't been the first to come up with this idea. Many reasons for this not to happen, sure. Just was curious as if you think this could work.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:48 pm

a350lover wrote:
Do you guys think AY could show at some point in future interest in Norwegian?

Norwegian has a "strong" and extensive network between Scandinavia, Europe and the UK to USA.
Finnair has one of the most extensive networks from Europe and Helsinki to Asia.

They could truly be a strong competitor for SAS in Scandinavia and from their hubs, and work in different regions of the planet.

I am sure I haven't been the first to come up with this idea. Many reasons for this not to happen, sure. Just was curious as if you think this could work.

Finnair have had a minor stake in Norwegian, I believe that it was a part of the deal when Norwegian bought Finnair-owned FlyNordic. They sold the stake quite a while back.
Other than that, I really struggle to see what Norwegian can bring to Finnair.
Norwegian are cutting most of their US routes from Scandinavia, mainly because they can't compete well with SAS and others. Low frequency vs. high frequency etc.
I don't think that Finnair would be interested in an airline whos main focus is LGW, CDG/ORY, FCO and MAD and an airline with huge debt. I don't think that other OW partners such as BA, IB and AA would be very happy if Finnair bought Norwegian with the purpose of maintaining Norwegians current LH strategy.
Either Norwegian will be bought by IAG and "merged" into Vueling/Level and BA's LGW operations or they'll go bankrupt. That's the only 2 scenarios I think are likely
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