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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:13 pm

I doubt they will start any routes on Middle East. The competition is fierce. I believe however that some Indian destination are within reach, even though, as you point out, transatlantic is perhaps the most obvious choice.

Personally I do not hope they will use these additions to try out things from ARN/OSL/CPH. I hope they will use it as the first step on a more clear, realistic and expanding strategy. There is a thought behind it and that thought can be traced back to a vision and strategy. Not a trial and error and let’s see how it works.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:09 am

According to CAPA, Chengdu Airport plans to add Istanbul, Rome, and Helsinki to its network in 2019. The page itself refers to Chengdu Daily (7 Apr 2019). Sichuan Airlines has already announced flights to IST and FCO. However, I haven't seen Sichuan (or any other airline than Lucky Air) applying CAAC for a permit to open CTU-HEL route. It's unlikely going to be Air China but most likely Sichuan Airlines. I don't know whether Helsinki should not be mentioned on the list but I'd be happy to finally see flights to Chengdu.

Unfortunately, I cannot find the original source but part of the news can be read here: CAPA
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:43 am

Inaugural flight TV6001 Jinan-Helsinki is in the air. Operated by A332 B-1047.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:11 am

Why would SIchuan Air want to fly to Helsinki except in mid-winter for tourists wanting a Lapland experience ? I realise it's on a great circle route to the rest of Europe but AFAIK, they don't have any kind of codeshare with Finnair. Or do Finnair + Sichuan plan to start a codeshare soon ? Sichuan already fly to Prague with a tag onto Zurich, so perhaps a route to another larger city in Europe with a more substantial population (e.g. Milan) might be more likely to generate a profit for them ?
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:15 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Why would SIchuan Air want to fly to Helsinki except in mid-winter for tourists wanting a Lapland experience ? I realise it's on a great circle route to the rest of Europe but AFAIK, they don't have any kind of codeshare with Finnair. Or do Finnair + Sichuan plan to start a codeshare soon ? Sichuan already fly to Prague with a tag onto Zurich, so perhaps a route to another larger city in Europe with a more substantial population (e.g. Milan) might be more likely to generate a profit for them ?

Probably for the same reason as other Chinese airlines: Finnair has an extensive network from which they can have a lot of feed, increasing tourism in Finland, the route could be supported by subsidies, etc. As Helsinki is located on the great circle, Sichuan Air, for example, could take advantage of 5th freedom rights and fly to another European airport via HEL. Tibet Airlines' Jinan-Helsinki route shows that very weird routes can happen. Another question is though: will the route be successful?
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:37 pm

How will Sichuan Air get feed at Helsinki ? I wasn't aware that they had codeshare agreements with any airlines that fly within Europe. Sichuan Air have no particular incentive to promote Finland and I doubt Helsinki airport will give them any particular subsidy beyond what they offer for any new route. Furthermore, why would Finland grant fifth freedom to Sichuan for flights within Europe ? Finland already has good connections to China, unlike somewhere like Prague
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:11 pm

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How will Sichuan Air get feed at Helsinki ? I wasn't aware that they had codeshare agreements with any airlines that fly within Europe. Sichuan Air have no particular incentive to promote Finland and I doubt Helsinki airport will give them any particular subsidy beyond what they offer for any new route. Furthermore, why would Finland grant fifth freedom to Sichuan for flights within Europe ? Finland already has good connections to China, unlike somewhere like Prague

Sichuan does not have any codeshare agreements with European airlines. What I meant is that passengers could fly from CTU to HEL and then connect to Finnair's European flights, which would, of course, require purchasing a separate ticket from both Sichuan and Finnair (unless AY decided to begin codesharing with Sichuan). Helsinki Airport would not necessarily itself give subsidy but for example, Finnair's Chongqing service was initially subsidized by the city of Chongqing (as far as I know) and I believe Finavia and HEL would be happy if Sichuan Air commenced service to Helsinki connecting the airport with Chengdu. They're both trying to attract Chinese airlines to HEL. Moreover, I don't really see any reason why Finland wouldn't grant 5th freedom rights to a Chinese airline as the new service would surely increase traffic between Helsinki and China while bringing more tourists to Finland.
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:27 pm

Flight TV6001 has landed and arrived at Gate 54. Tibet Airlines is the first Chinese airline to ever land at HEL (scheduled service).
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:41 am

Tibet Airlines has successfully launched Jinan-Helsinki service with PLF of around 90%. According to the carrier's country manager Liu Yukun, flights this month and in May are nearly sold out. Given that flights are not actually bookable elsewhere but in China, the performance is pretty impressive.

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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:45 am

I'm not sure whether this has been mentioned earlier but Finnair will increase NRT flights from 7 to 9 weekly during the winter season. This means NRT will be served with 16 weekly flights during winter. JAL also announced yesterday they will codeshare with AY on the additional weekly frequencies.

Press release (in Japanese)
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:37 am

QuawerAir wrote:
I'm not sure whether this has been mentioned earlier but Finnair will increase NRT flights from 7 to 9 weekly during the winter season. This means NRT will be served with 16 weekly flights during winter. JAL also announced yesterday they will codeshare with AY on the additional weekly frequencies.

Press release (in Japanese)

Routesonline published the timetable:

AY071 HEL1630 – 0900+1NRT 333 17
AY073 HEL1730 – 1000+1NRT 359 D

AY072 NRT1055 – 1410HEL 333 12
AY074 NRT1155 – 1510HEL 359 D
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:37 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Routesonline published the timetable:

AY071 HEL1630 – 0900+1NRT 333 17
AY073 HEL1730 – 1000+1NRT 359 D

AY072 NRT1055 – 1410HEL 333 12
AY074 NRT1155 – 1510HEL 359 D


Odd that the flights are Monday and Sunday. Wonder what will be the crew rotation.
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Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:03 am

Isn't there another bank where these two additional HEL-NRT flights could be operated?
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:44 am

Slow growth continues at HEL but it should accelerate towards the end of the year.

HEL March 2019 statistics

Domestic: 330,790 (+2.7%)
International: 1,415,343 (+2.8%)
Total: 1,746,133 (+2.8%)

Total YTD: 4,840,806 (+3.6%)
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:47 am

SAS is launching a 1x weekly service (Saturday only) January-March between Brüssel and Tromsø. Scheduled with 737-800 and is targeted towards Northern Light tourism
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:27 pm

Blerg wrote:
Isn't there another bank where these two additional HEL-NRT flights could be operated?


Actually, there is no good options.

First, the current schedule allows return flight in 24-hours timeframe what is great for efficiency and scheduling complexity.

Second, they if they go with their second wave and depart from Helsinki to NRT just before midnight (as they do with Singapore flight, second Hong Kong and Bangkok rotations), then they would land in NRT at ±15:30 local time and then there is a question when to go from NRT to HEL having in mind curfew in NRT and requirement to arrive at logical time in HEL.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:17 pm

smbukas wrote:

Actually, there is no good options.

First, the current schedule allows return flight in 24-hours timeframe what is great for efficiency and scheduling complexity.

Second, they if they go with their second wave and depart from Helsinki to NRT just before midnight (as they do with Singapore flight, second Hong Kong and Bangkok rotations), then they would land in NRT at ±15:30 local time and then there is a question when to go from NRT to HEL having in mind curfew in NRT and requirement to arrive at logical time in HEL.

AY is doing night KIX that leaves at the same bank than the SIN and HKG flights. It departs around 01:25 and arrives after 05:30. So departure at 00:30 from NRT would be possible.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:28 am

CPH saw a slight drop in passenger numbers in March due to the Easter period not falling in March but in April.

    CPH March 2019 statistics

    Domestic: 135,777 (-1.1%)
    Europe: 1,903,668 (-1.7%)
    Intercontinental: 333,887 (+8.1%)
    Total: 2,373,332 (-0.4%)

    Total YTD: 6,267,580 (+1.2%)

Statistics can be found here.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:42 am

OSL in March

Domestic: 1.060.861 +7,1%
International: 1.267.503 -1,0%
Total: 2.328.364 +2,5%

The drop in international and sharp increase in domestic is mainly due to the Easter effect
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:13 am

teme82 wrote:
AY is doing night KIX that leaves at the same bank than the SIN and HKG flights. It departs around 01:25 and arrives after 05:30. So departure at 00:30 from NRT would be possible.


I think there is a night curfew in NRT so they need to depart before 23:00.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:26 am

smbukas wrote:
teme82 wrote:
AY is doing night KIX that leaves at the same bank than the SIN and HKG flights. It departs around 01:25 and arrives after 05:30. So departure at 00:30 from NRT would be possible.


I think there is a night curfew in NRT so they need to depart before 23:00.

There is between 1 am to 6 am. It got extended few years back.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:33 am

teme82 wrote:
There is between 1 am to 6 am. It got extended few years back.


00:30 departure from NRT would make them to arrive to HEL at 4:30. Quite long wait for morning European departures at ±8:00. Their flights from HKG, BKK and SIN arrives around 6:00: they should open lounges earlier and other staff.

I don't want to say it's not possible, but its really not convenient option for operations and long stay still required on the ground in NRT. So they decided to fly from the same wave as the first NRT flight.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:49 am

smbukas wrote:
teme82 wrote:
There is between 1 am to 6 am. It got extended few years back.


00:30 departure from NRT would make them to arrive to HEL at 4:30. Quite long wait for morning European departures at ±8:00. Their flights from HKG, BKK and SIN arrives around 6:00: they should open lounges earlier and other staff.

I don't want to say it's not possible, but its really not convenient option for operations and long stay still required on the ground in NRT. So they decided to fly from the same wave as the first NRT flight.

Yeah ... That's why they are testing this new rotation in KIX. The A330 arrives around 16:30 local time and sits on the ground for long time. The same would apply to NRT. They could use A330 since it's a bit slower than the racoon. GCM gives flight time of 9 hours with 0.82 mach. The racoon does it usually in around 9h's 30min's. So put the slower A330 and you have scheduled arrival time around at 5 am.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:50 am

Talking about timetables:
I've been wondering why the flight schedules for Finnair's Delhi-flights are pretty awful. For instance, passengers have to spend 10 h 50 min at the airport when flying from JFK to DEL via Helsinki and up to 22 hours when flying from Delhi. The lengths of stopover times are almost the same for DEL-ORD sector. The current flight schedules for New York–Delhi sector is as following (during summer season):

    Current timetable:

    DEL–JFK
    AY122 DEL0945 – 1445HEL 333 1357
    AY005 HEL1245 (+1) – 1440JFK 333 D

    Total flight time: 38 h 25 min with a stopover of 22 h.

    JFK–DEL
    AY006 1905JFK – HEL1010 (+1) 333 D
    AY121 HEL2015 – 0525DEL (+1) 333 1357

    Total flight time: 24 h 50 min with a stopover of 10 h 50 min

Finnair would presumably get more feed from JFK and ORD for Delhi-flights if the schedules were better. So, I rescheduled Delhi in order to reduce the length of stopover at HEL and to match DEL flights better with JFK and ORD while the U.S flights have the current timetable:

    New timetable:

    DEL–JFK
    AY122 DEL0645 – 1145HEL 333 1357
    AY005 HEL1245 – 1440JFK 333 D

    Total flight time: 17 h 25 min with a stopover of only 1 hour

    JFK–DEL
    AY006 1905JFK – HEL1010 (+1) 333 D
    AY121 HEL1315 – 2225DEL 333 1357

    Total flight time: 15 h 05 min with a stopover of 3 hours and 5 mins (1 hour if AY121 departs at 1115 during the summer season, not possible during winter when AY operates daily flights to DEL)

What changed?
DEL–JFK: AY122 departs from DEL 3 hours earlier, which enables the 1h transfer to JFK flights (and 2h to ORD). The stopover reduces from 22 hours to only 1 hour.
JFK–DEL: AY121 departs from HEL for DEL 7 hours earlier enabling a transfer to DEL flights in 3 hours and 5 mins (2 hours and 55 mins to ORD) instead of 10 hours and 50 mins.

But… at the moment, aircraft used on JFK and DEL routes stand at both airports for approximately 4 hours and 20 minutes. With the new schedule, the standing time at DEL would increase to around 8 hours. Additionally, the stopover time at HEL for DEL–SFO, LAX and MIA flights would increase significantly when flying from the U.S to DEL. When flying from DEL, stopover time could be less than 5 hours. However, I haven’t necessarily taken everything into account.

I believe this timetable could make HEL a more attractive option as a stopover point when flying from Delhi to the U.S and vice versa. I don't know the reason why Finnair has such timetables but it may have something to do with slot availability for example.

What do you think? Why would the new timetable be better or worse than the current one?

(Sorry for a long post :lol:)
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:16 pm

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I believe this timetable could make HEL a more attractive option as a stopover point when flying from Delhi to the U.S and vice versa. I don't know the reason why Finnair has such timetables but it may have something to do with slot availability for example.

What do you think? Why would the new timetable be better or worse than the current one?

(Sorry for a long post :lol:)


But what will the effect be on Finnair's European feed to DEL here? It is rather obvious their DEL flight is targeted on the European market.

BTW: My inlaws flew OSL-HEL-DEL and back last year, and that was a very efficient connection and routing
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:34 pm

Someone83 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
I believe this timetable could make HEL a more attractive option as a stopover point when flying from Delhi to the U.S and vice versa. I don't know the reason why Finnair has such timetables but it may have something to do with slot availability for example.

What do you think? Why would the new timetable be better or worse than the current one?

(Sorry for a long post :lol:)


But what will the effect be on Finnair's European feed to DEL here? It is rather obvious their DEL flight is targeted on the European market.

BTW: My inlaws flew OSL-HEL-DEL and back last year, and that was a very efficient connection and routing

True. I somehow forgot that :lol:. However, I think this timetable could be a great addition to the current one if AY decided to add 2nd flight a day to DEL in the future (with A321neo/A321LR if they ordered them) to get more passengers from the U.S as well. Finavia said recently that North America-Asia traffic is becoming more and more important for them and I think U.S-India has big potential.
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:16 pm

Q1 figures for the Swedish airports:

Airport                 2018        2019   Change, %
ARVIDSJAUR           40.243      40.116   -0,3%
BORLÄNGE            5.415      4.858   -10,3%
GÄLLIVARE            7.589      5.541   -27,0%
GÖTEBORG               1.440.880   1. 378.780   -4,3%
HAGFORS            928         1.052   13,4%
HALMSTAD            30.735      28.740   -6,5%
HEMAVAN-TÄRNABY      4.600      3.529   -23,3%
JÖNKÖPING            25.363      17.583   -30,7%
KALMAR               55.881      54.667   -2,2%
KARLSTAD            21.663      16.028   -26,0%
KIRUNA               80.942      81.879   1,2%
KRAMFORS-SOLLEFTEÅ   2.374      1.956   -17,6%
KRISTIANSTAD         6.865      8.587   25,1%
LINKÖPING            34.778      33.517   -3,6%
LULEÅ               282.662      286.509   1,4%
LYCKSELE            4.110      4.097   -0,3%
MALMÖ               484.987      432.686   -10,8%
MORA/SILJAN         3.579      2.729   -23,7%
NORRKÖPING          27.804      23.491   -15,5%
PAJALA               516         608      17,8%
RONNEBY            54.218      49.810   -8,1%
SKELLEFTEÅ            96.856      71.213   -26,5%
STOCKHOLM/ARLANDA   5.856.409   5.633.170   -3,8%
STOCKHOLM/BROMMA   588.417      554.781   -5,7%
STOCKHOLM/SKAVSTA   408.425      402.204   -1,5%
STOCKHOLM/VÄSTERÅS   18.225      16.040   -12,0%
SUNDSVALL TIMRÅ      66.819      56.758   -15,1%
SVEG               1.966      1.907   -3,0%
TORSBY               718         595      -17,1%
TROLLHÄTTAN/VÄNERSBORG   11.354   9.796   -13,7%
UMEÅ               243.106      224.877   -7,5%
VILHELMINA            4.139      3.147   -24,0%
VISBY               80.287      79.518   -1,0%
VÄXJÖ/KRONOBERG      56.267      45.912   -18,4%
ÅRE ÖSTERSUND         162.299      157.357   -3,0%
ÄNGELHOLM            91.364      89.439   -2,1%
ÖREBRO               22.203      12.463   -43,9%
ÖRNSKÖLDSVIK         13.428      20.968   56,2%
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:10 pm

Bostrom wrote:
Q1 figures for the Swedish airports:

Airport                 2018        2019   Change, %
ARVIDSJAUR           40.243      40.116   -0,3%
BORLÄNGE            5.415      4.858   -10,3%
GÄLLIVARE            7.589      5.541   -27,0%
GÖTEBORG               1.440.880   1. 378.780   -4,3%
HAGFORS            928         1.052   13,4%
HALMSTAD            30.735      28.740   -6,5%
HEMAVAN-TÄRNABY      4.600      3.529   -23,3%
JÖNKÖPING            25.363      17.583   -30,7%
KALMAR               55.881      54.667   -2,2%
KARLSTAD            21.663      16.028   -26,0%
KIRUNA               80.942      81.879   1,2%
KRAMFORS-SOLLEFTEÅ   2.374      1.956   -17,6%
KRISTIANSTAD         6.865      8.587   25,1%
LINKÖPING            34.778      33.517   -3,6%
LULEÅ               282.662      286.509   1,4%
LYCKSELE            4.110      4.097   -0,3%
MALMÖ               484.987      432.686   -10,8%
MORA/SILJAN         3.579      2.729   -23,7%
NORRKÖPING          27.804      23.491   -15,5%
PAJALA               516         608      17,8%
RONNEBY            54.218      49.810   -8,1%
SKELLEFTEÅ            96.856      71.213   -26,5%
STOCKHOLM/ARLANDA   5.856.409   5.633.170   -3,8%
STOCKHOLM/BROMMA   588.417      554.781   -5,7%
STOCKHOLM/SKAVSTA   408.425      402.204   -1,5%
STOCKHOLM/VÄSTERÅS   18.225      16.040   -12,0%
SUNDSVALL TIMRÅ      66.819      56.758   -15,1%
SVEG               1.966      1.907   -3,0%
TORSBY               718         595      -17,1%
TROLLHÄTTAN/VÄNERSBORG   11.354   9.796   -13,7%
UMEÅ               243.106      224.877   -7,5%
VILHELMINA            4.139      3.147   -24,0%
VISBY               80.287      79.518   -1,0%
VÄXJÖ/KRONOBERG      56.267      45.912   -18,4%
ÅRE ÖSTERSUND         162.299      157.357   -3,0%
ÄNGELHOLM            91.364      89.439   -2,1%
ÖREBRO               22.203      12.463   -43,9%
ÖRNSKÖLDSVIK         13.428      20.968   56,2%


Nextjet bankruptcy (Swedish domestic airline) and Sweden's flight tax effects.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:31 pm

...and Flygskam?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:44 pm

…and the Easter, and the BMI bankruptcy. And in some cases increased rail services.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:43 pm

It is interesting to see how HEL, OSL and CPH continue to grow while ARN is -3.8%.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:25 am

To reply to a few posts above regarding NRT, the current curfew kicks in at 11pm which will soon be extended to 12:30am by 1.5 hours. However, the curfew is a hard curfew which means the last regular scheduled departure time is currently 10pm or so, to be extended soon to around 11:30pm. KIX is a 24 hours airport as noted so a 1:30am departure there is acceptable.

HND is a 24 hours airport so if a future Finland-Japan bilateral extends to this airport, then HND will enable midnight flights on the route too.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:55 am

mdavies06 wrote:
To reply to a few posts above regarding NRT, the current curfew kicks in at 11pm which will soon be extended to 12:30am by 1.5 hours. However, the curfew is a hard curfew which means the last regular scheduled departure time is currently 10pm or so, to be extended soon to around 11:30pm. KIX is a 24 hours airport as noted so a 1:30am departure there is acceptable.

HND is a 24 hours airport so if a future Finland-Japan bilateral extends to this airport, then HND will enable midnight flights on the route too.


Then it would be possible to have a second Tokyo flights as
1. Arrival and departure before midnight - connecting passengers to Europe must overnight in HEL, maybe a way to adapt to local time.
2. Arrival and departure in the early morning - connecting passengers form Europe to overnight in HEL.
3. Beyond 24 h rotation, departure before midnight and arrival in the morning. More convenient for pax but less effective use of hardware, sit >8 hours in Tokyo, (low season less problem) or
4. An aftermidnight bank (around 3 am), with respective new connecting night flights both ways. Optimizes short-haul hardware which will will be otherwise idle, although AY may not have that many flights with overnight in alien airports (MAD, BCN, AGP, LHR, CDG,???). Would need other long-haul flights from elsewhere, too, to support multiple connections, Beijing to start with.

Is HEL essentially a 24h airport?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:55 am

So does it mean Tokyo becomes the first Finnair destination that could use something larger than an A359? Both because of extra demand and technical reasons.
 
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Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:41 am

Blerg wrote:
So does it mean Tokyo becomes the first Finnair destination that could use something larger than an A359? Both because of extra demand and technical reasons.

A350-1000 could be a perfect aircraft for Finnair and not only to fly to Tokyo but also to high-demand destinations such as PEK, PVG, and ICN.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:32 am

mdavies06 wrote:
HND is a 24 hours airport so if a future Finland-Japan bilateral extends to this airport, then HND will enable midnight flights on the route too.

After hitting the submit button it recalled that HND is 24/7 airport. Only if AY would get the slots on the next batch the night HND would be possible daily. I could see it working well for AY and it's OneWorld partners since they have JV on EU to Asia traffic.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:33 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Blerg wrote:
So does it mean Tokyo becomes the first Finnair destination that could use something larger than an A359? Both because of extra demand and technical reasons.

A350-1000 could be a perfect aircraft for Finnair and not only to fly to Tokyo but also to high-demand destinations such as PEK, PVG, and ICN.

I would add BKK and HKG to the list. BKK could be Y heavy configuration.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:16 am

This morning's 9.50am QR departure from HEL to DOH has been delayed until 10pm. First officer and a FA were drunk, so they're waiting for the night flight to arrive with replacement crew.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:17 am

ilari wrote:
This morning's 9.50am QR departure from HEL to DOH has been delayed until 10pm. First officer and a FA were drunk, so they're waiting for the night flight to arrive with replacement crew.


Were the crew arrested?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:19 am

seansasLCY wrote:
ilari wrote:
This morning's 9.50am QR departure from HEL to DOH has been delayed until 10pm. First officer and a FA were drunk, so they're waiting for the night flight to arrive with replacement crew.


Were the crew arrested?


That hasn't been told yet, but I would imagine so. I heard this from YLE news.
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:50 am

As expected: Finnair converts Guangzhou to year-round service in winter 2019. During winter, the route will be flown twice a week. AY will also move to the new Terminal 2 at CAN, from which China Southern operates.

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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:23 am

KEF numbers for March:

586 873 (-12.9%)

Year to date:

1 630 266 (-8.8%)

WOW's collapse happened on 29 March so the full impact of that will appear with the April numbers.
 
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Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:15 pm

Icelandair welcomes Dusseldorf aboard!

https://www.icelandair.com/blog/inaugur ... usseldorf/

Icelandair has started flying to Düsseldorf.

quote: Icelandair will operate the route 3 times per week in April and up to 4 times per week from May onwards. Flight FI579 departs Dusseldorf at 14:00 and lands in Keflavík at 15:40 on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:15 am

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Icelandair welcomes Dusseldorf aboard!

https://www.icelandair.com/blog/inaugur ... usseldorf/

Icelandair has started flying to Düsseldorf.

quote: Icelandair will operate the route 3 times per week in April and up to 4 times per week from May onwards. Flight FI579 departs Dusseldorf at 14:00 and lands in Keflavík at 15:40 on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays


I am surprised they haven't launched DUS much earlier, the catchment area is huge and its population relatively wealthy. Was this supposed to be a MAX route or a B757 from the start?
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:28 am

Blerg wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
Icelandair welcomes Dusseldorf aboard!

https://www.icelandair.com/blog/inaugur ... usseldorf/

Icelandair has started flying to Düsseldorf.

quote: Icelandair will operate the route 3 times per week in April and up to 4 times per week from May onwards. Flight FI579 departs Dusseldorf at 14:00 and lands in Keflavík at 15:40 on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays


I am surprised they haven't launched DUS much earlier, the catchment area is huge and its population relatively wealthy. Was this supposed to be a MAX route or a B757 from the start?


With 9 MAX planed to be operating this summer, I suppose it was planed as a MAX route.

Regarding launch of DUS. Icelandair is a small airline, picking destinations carefully. In the wider area near DUS, they operate already BRU, AMS and FRA, all within train or driving distance.
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:53 am

mjoelnir wrote:
Blerg wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
Icelandair welcomes Dusseldorf aboard!

https://www.icelandair.com/blog/inaugur ... usseldorf/

Icelandair has started flying to Düsseldorf.

quote: Icelandair will operate the route 3 times per week in April and up to 4 times per week from May onwards. Flight FI579 departs Dusseldorf at 14:00 and lands in Keflavík at 15:40 on Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays


I am surprised they haven't launched DUS much earlier, the catchment area is huge and its population relatively wealthy. Was this supposed to be a MAX route or a B757 from the start?


With 9 MAX planed to be operating this summer, I suppose it was planed as a MAX route.

Regarding launch of DUS. Icelandair is a small airline, picking destinations carefully. In the wider area near DUS, they operate already BRU, AMS and FRA, all within train or driving distance.


Thanks. I read online that they are already suspending Cleveland because of MAX issues, have they introduced any other modifications to their network because of MAX?
 
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Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:27 am

Blerg wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
Blerg wrote:

I am surprised they haven't launched DUS much earlier, the catchment area is huge and its population relatively wealthy. Was this supposed to be a MAX route or a B757 from the start?


With 9 MAX planed to be operating this summer, I suppose it was planed as a MAX route.

Regarding launch of DUS. Icelandair is a small airline, picking destinations carefully. In the wider area near DUS, they operate already BRU, AMS and FRA, all within train or driving distance.


Thanks. I read online that they are already suspending Cleveland because of MAX issues, have they introduced any other modifications to their network because of MAX?


They will mainly cut flights to destinations where there are several flights a day. They will use bigger frames to compensate.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:49 pm

Danish Air Transport/DAT (DX) have ferried their MD-82 (OY-RUT) to BOH for painting into a retro livery. The aircraft will return to it's base at BLL on May 3rd.

Picture of the livery on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/flydat/p/BwpF ... ii5nafj70e
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:20 am

SAS' new A330:

ImageF-WWCE Airbus A330 SAS by @Eurospot, on Flickr
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:41 pm

Bostrom wrote:
SAS' new A330:

ImageF-WWCE Airbus A330 SAS by @Eurospot, on Flickr


Nice :-) I’m excited about the A350 in SAS colors as well. I would also like to see A330neo at one point ;-)
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