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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:48 pm
by Oykie
minilinde wrote:
Oykie wrote:
Someone83 wrote:

OSL-KBP (not IEV)


This is good news! I travel to Kiev sometimes per year, and usually fly through Riga. Have SAS announced days and flight times yet?


Yes:
OSL-KBP SK4298 departs OSL at 09:30, arrives KBP at 13:10
OSL-KBP SK4299 departs KBP at 14:00, arrives OSL at 15:50

Its 3 weekly flights, on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays


Thanks! The Thursday’s to Sunday’s will be popular among locals who travel ‘home’ for the weekend.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:07 am
by Bostrom
Someone83 wrote:
BRA has been announced as the first operator at Scandinavian Mountain airport with routes to: Stockholm/Bromma, Göteborg, Malmö, Ängelholm og Växjö. So far only DEC to end MAR and during the ski-season and only with 1-2x weekly flights from each city


They also have an IATA code now, SCR, and an opening date, 2019-12-22. I'm not surprised that BRA is the first operator but will the airport see more scheduled traffic than 5-10 weekly ATRs?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:23 am
by seansasLCY
CH Aviation is reporting that BRA has confirmed its cancelling its A220 order but its behind a paywall. Anybody know any more? https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... a220-order

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:49 pm
by Blerg
I just booked a flight BEG-CPH-HEL-ARN-BEG on JU and SK and in the ticket it writes there are drinks and a snack on the SK flight. I thought they have gone buy on board or did I miss something?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:18 pm
by Someone83
Blerg wrote:
I just booked a flight BEG-CPH-HEL-ARN-BEG on JU and SK and in the ticket it writes there are drinks and a snack on the SK flight. I thought they have gone buy on board or did I miss something?


They are buy on Board unless seated in Plus

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:01 pm
by Blerg
Someone83 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
I just booked a flight BEG-CPH-HEL-ARN-BEG on JU and SK and in the ticket it writes there are drinks and a snack on the SK flight. I thought they have gone buy on board or did I miss something?


They are buy on Board unless seated in Plus


I see that luggage is also included. Does it mean all tickets are sold in Plus? That's interesting.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:43 pm
by SASViking
Blerg wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
I just booked a flight BEG-CPH-HEL-ARN-BEG on JU and SK and in the ticket it writes there are drinks and a snack on the SK flight. I thought they have gone buy on board or did I miss something?


They are buy on Board unless seated in Plus


I see that luggage is also included. Does it mean all tickets are sold in Plus? That's interesting.

No. On Intra-Scandinavian and Intra-european flights, SAS have 4 booking options:

SAS Go Light: The cheapest. Only the flight and free coffee/tea. Also less EB points.

SAS Go Smart: Includes 1x23kg luggage and more EB points.

SAS Plus Light: Includes Fast Track and lounge (where available), 2x23kg luggage, food and drinks onboard, more EB points than Go Smart and free seat selection when booking.

SAS Plus Smart: The same as SAS Plus Light but includes more EB points and added flexibility.

So you are either booked in SAS Go Smart and the booking site have made an error with the food and drinks or you are booked in SAS Plus. I think the first case is the most likely (or perhaps you've misunderstood that it only means that "Food and drinks available for purchase". SAS Plus would only be booked if you've booked the JU flights on their business class

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 5:27 am
by Blerg
SASViking wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Someone83 wrote:

They are buy on Board unless seated in Plus


I see that luggage is also included. Does it mean all tickets are sold in Plus? That's interesting.

No. On Intra-Scandinavian and Intra-european flights, SAS have 4 booking options:

SAS Go Light: The cheapest. Only the flight and free coffee/tea. Also less EB points.

SAS Go Smart: Includes 1x23kg luggage and more EB points.

SAS Plus Light: Includes Fast Track and lounge (where available), 2x23kg luggage, food and drinks onboard, more EB points than Go Smart and free seat selection when booking.

SAS Plus Smart: The same as SAS Plus Light but includes more EB points and added flexibility.

So you are either booked in SAS Go Smart and the booking site have made an error with the food and drinks or you are booked in SAS Plus. I think the first case is the most likely (or perhaps you've misunderstood that it only means that "Food and drinks available for purchase". SAS Plus would only be booked if you've booked the JU flights on their business class


Thank you for the claraification, it's much appreciated. I just checked the booking once again and in the end it's both ways via ARN while the flight to HEL is operated by City Jet. I was looking at times and dates not the airport which is a shame as I was looking forward to flying via CPH, such a fantastic airport. I was in ARN some years ago and parts of it felt really outdated. Don't know if they still have those horrible old orange air-bridges?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:36 pm
by Nami
China Eastern between ARN and PVG becomes a year-round route.

https://www.swedavia.se/arlanda/nyheter ... a-eastern/

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 7:35 pm
by Someone83
SE-ROO, SAS’ 25th A320neo was delivered today

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 4:28 am
by Someone83
Updated delivery schedule for SAS NEOs

A320neo:
2019: 6
2020: 13
2021: 2
2022: 15
2023: 18
2024: 2

A321LR:
2020: 2
2021: 1

Note that this is SAS' financial year, which runs from November 1 to October 31.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 12:51 pm
by cityairline
SAS were suppose to announce the new routes for the A321Neos during this spring, weren’t they? Does anyone know how that’s going...?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 1:45 pm
by Bostrom
cityairline wrote:
SAS were suppose to announce the new routes for the A321Neos during this spring, weren’t they? Does anyone know how that’s going...?


Where have you heard that? So far they haven't even announced where the A350s will fly, so I don't think they are in a hurry to announce A321LR routes.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 1:46 pm
by Bostrom
The planned expansion of the terminal at UME has been put on hold due to declining passenger numbers.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 1:06 pm
by jamesontheroad
Bostrom wrote:
The planned expansion of the terminal at UME has been put on hold due to declining passenger numbers.


Only saying this after a few international trips to UME, but the airport might benefit from attracting one or more new and non-Scandinavian airlines. Three airlines all flying to Stockholm and a handful of other daily routes Nordic routes is not very ambitious in terms of growth.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 2:44 pm
by davidjohnson6
Can you suggest some potential new airlines and destinations for Umea, bearing in mind that Ryanair couldn't make Skelleftea-London work ?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 2:56 pm
by Bostrom
Umeå is after all a slightly larger town than Skellefteå. But it's hard to come up with potential routes, maybe KLM could try it?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 9:05 pm
by cityairline
Bostrom wrote:
Umeå is after all a slightly larger town than Skellefteå. But it's hard to come up with potential routes, maybe KLM could try it?

Actually I’ve been wondering for quite some time why KL hasn’t tried UME yet. A daily E175 would be a good start. They made LPI and VXO work and seem to perform very well in the smaller Scandinavian markets, so maybe they will have a go at it in the future...

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:55 am
by Blerg
Air Serbia launches Helsinki today, there is a first flight ceremony. Total number of passengers is 120 while 65 are regular paying customers. The rest are tour operators, media... who were invited by the Finns to promote Helsinki as a tourist destination. I think there is a lot of potential as Serbs travel a lot abroad, in summer alone more than 1 million travel by plane to their holidays. JU will operate more than 1.000 charter flights this summer season.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:57 am
by Someone83
cityairline wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
Umeå is after all a slightly larger town than Skellefteå. But it's hard to come up with potential routes, maybe KLM could try it?

Actually I’ve been wondering for quite some time why KL hasn’t tried UME yet. A daily E175 would be a good start. They made LPI and VXO work and seem to perform very well in the smaller Scandinavian markets, so maybe they will have a go at it in the future...


I do think the distance may make it challenging to fit it into their bank system and also makes it more expensive. Just like Norway, as southern Norway is well covered, but they have to routes north of Trondheim

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:52 pm
by Blerg
Some good news for our friends from Finland. I was with a friend who works for BEG and he told me that tomorrow's flight to HEL on Nordica's CRJ has 46 and 89 passengers, so the flight back is fully booked. June LF is already at 60% and some flights had to be upgraded to A319 as they got more than 100 passengers (HEL-BEG). Seems like this route will be a success.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:57 pm
by Nami
It seems like it's a bit too early to say.

But perhaps a bigger good news from this weekend is that according to some leaks the upcoming new government won't add an aviation tax in Finland but instead wants to push it at EU level.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:06 pm
by Someone83
Widerøe will be leasing a 4th E190-E2 til summer: MSN19020015. To be registered LN-WEX

From my understanding it is a rather short term lease, and the aircraft is/was supposed to go to Fuzhou Airlines, but as the E2 is still not certified in China the aircraft can't be delivered to Fuzhou yet

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:00 am
by QuawerAir
Some additional info about Finnair's narrow-body fleet renewal:

  • It will be "the biggest investment by Finnair in the next decade"
  • Thus, we can expect the announcement to be made in the next decade, not this year (this was also expected).
  • Airbus A321LR seems to be out due to the too short range (Airbus A321XLR, which will be introduced by 2024, might be more suitable for AY)

See Yle and atwonline

A321LR has a range of 7,400km, while A321XLR has 8,700km. With A321XLR, AY could fly to entire China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, India, Canada and almost to the entire USA. A321LR can reach Korea, India, and almost Canada entirely. So, we can probably assume, that AY is heading to Japan, USA and China (secondary cities such as Wenzhou, Xiamen, Changsha, etc. which are not reachable with A321LR but with -XLR is), Canada and even to U.S cities such as SEA, DFW, PHL, BOS, etc (not necessarily to all of them).

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:43 pm
by Someone83
Wizzair is launching their 5th destination from OSL, less than a year since their first started: OSL-VIE is starting 4x weekly from December 4th

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:53 pm
by Blerg
Someone83 wrote:
Wizzair is launching their 5th destination from OSL, less than a year since their first started: OSL-VIE is starting 4x weekly from December 4th


Interesting, they seem to be expanding quite a bit to Scandinavia from Vienna. I am curious to see how this route performs. It's easier for OS which has connections on both ends.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:18 pm
by QuawerAir
Finnair CEO Topi Manner said on June 2 to Air Transport World that Finnair is open to more JV's in the future, which doesn't really come as a surprise. He also said AY will add frequencies on existing long-haul routes. I believe this mainly means extending the operating period and converting seasonal routes to year-round.

When it comes to the JV's, most obvious potential joint venture partner might be China Southern. Depending on market development, I could also see AY forming a partnership with an Indian airline. Then there are the Korean airlines, Korean Air and Asiana with whom AY could have a partnership in the future.

What do you think?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:57 pm
by Pengaea
QuawerAir wrote:
A321LR has a range of 7,400km, while A321XLR has 8,700km. With A321XLR, AY could fly to entire China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, India, Canada and almost to the entire USA. A321LR can reach Korea, India, and almost Canada entirely. So, we can probably assume, that AY is heading to Japan, USA and China (secondary cities such as Wenzhou, Xiamen, Changsha, etc. which are not reachable with A321LR but with -XLR is), Canada and even to U.S cities such as SEA, DFW, PHL, BOS, etc (not necessarily to all of them).

Just curious, how many km are you subtracting from the published ranges to come up with your guess about secondary Chinese cities? Secondary cities such as Wuhan and Qingdao come in at about 7 000 km from Helsinki... so there is still room to expand with -LRs. Regardless of the math, though, wouldn't Finnair need more Siberian overflight rights to expand significantly in China, anyway?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:04 am
by QuawerAir
Pengaea wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
A321LR has a range of 7,400km, while A321XLR has 8,700km. With A321XLR, AY could fly to entire China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, India, Canada and almost to the entire USA. A321LR can reach Korea, India, and almost Canada entirely. So, we can probably assume, that AY is heading to Japan, USA and China (secondary cities such as Wenzhou, Xiamen, Changsha, etc. which are not reachable with A321LR but with -XLR is), Canada and even to U.S cities such as SEA, DFW, PHL, BOS, etc (not necessarily to all of them).

Just curious, how many km are you subtracting from the published ranges to come up with your guess about secondary Chinese cities? Secondary cities such as Wuhan and Qingdao come in at about 7 000 km from Helsinki... so there is still room to expand with -LRs. Regardless of the math, though, wouldn't Finnair need more Siberian overflight rights to expand significantly in China, anyway?

Yes, Finnair needs more overflight rights in order to expand in China. A321LR has indeed enough range to serve several Chinese cities but not as many as -XLR could. As far as I know, airlines don't usually fly routes that are as long as the maximum range of the operating aircraft. So, I subtracted 400km from both aircraft types. With this range, A321XLR is still able to fly to Japan and to entire China but A321LR can't.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:48 am
by kruiseri
QuawerAir wrote:
Pengaea wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
A321LR has a range of 7,400km, while A321XLR has 8,700km. With A321XLR, AY could fly to entire China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, India, Canada and almost to the entire USA. A321LR can reach Korea, India, and almost Canada entirely. So, we can probably assume, that AY is heading to Japan, USA and China (secondary cities such as Wenzhou, Xiamen, Changsha, etc. which are not reachable with A321LR but with -XLR is), Canada and even to U.S cities such as SEA, DFW, PHL, BOS, etc (not necessarily to all of them).

Just curious, how many km are you subtracting from the published ranges to come up with your guess about secondary Chinese cities? Secondary cities such as Wuhan and Qingdao come in at about 7 000 km from Helsinki... so there is still room to expand with -LRs. Regardless of the math, though, wouldn't Finnair need more Siberian overflight rights to expand significantly in China, anyway?

Yes, Finnair needs more overflight rights in order to expand in China. A321LR has indeed enough range to serve several Chinese cities but not as many as -XLR could. As far as I know, airlines don't usually fly routes that are as long as the maximum range of the operating aircraft. So, I subtracted 400km from both aircraft types. With this range, A321XLR is still able to fly to Japan and to entire China but A321LR can't.


It would be bit of a gamble, the kind I am not sure I would be willing to wager...

What if the demand is not there ? You have a subfleet of XLRs in your fleet that you have no use for. With A330s/A350s you can always deploy the plane elsewhere.

Or what if the PAX simply detest the idea of spending 8+ hours on a A321 ? Yes, you can still install lie flat seats etc, but if you look at AAs Transcon fleet then you end up with only about 100 PAX. Would that make the economics work ?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:00 am
by VSMUT
kruiseri wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Pengaea wrote:
Just curious, how many km are you subtracting from the published ranges to come up with your guess about secondary Chinese cities? Secondary cities such as Wuhan and Qingdao come in at about 7 000 km from Helsinki... so there is still room to expand with -LRs. Regardless of the math, though, wouldn't Finnair need more Siberian overflight rights to expand significantly in China, anyway?

Yes, Finnair needs more overflight rights in order to expand in China. A321LR has indeed enough range to serve several Chinese cities but not as many as -XLR could. As far as I know, airlines don't usually fly routes that are as long as the maximum range of the operating aircraft. So, I subtracted 400km from both aircraft types. With this range, A321XLR is still able to fly to Japan and to entire China but A321LR can't.


It would be bit of a gamble, the kind I am not sure I would be willing to wager...

What if the demand is not there ? You have a subfleet of XLRs in your fleet that you have no use for. With A330s/A350s you can always deploy the plane elsewhere.

Or what if the PAX simply detest the idea of spending 8+ hours on a A321 ? Yes, you can still install lie flat seats etc, but if you look at AAs Transcon fleet then you end up with only about 100 PAX. Would that make the economics work ?


Why would you have no use for it? It is still, at heart, an A321. May not be as cheap to run as an ordinary A321neo on short routes, but not bad either.

I think most envision a capacity of around 150-190 sears, including some lie-flat. Thats similar to what TATL 757s have.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:08 am
by Asiaflyer
SAS has decided to skip inflight duty free sales on board from over coming months.This is a great move by SAS in my view, reducing weight and emissions from the flights. I also think its really outdated to sell alcohol, cigraettes, perfume etc onboard flights nowadays and surprised that it still exists like it does on many airlines.

From Reuters:
STOCKHOLM, June 4 (Reuters) - Scandinavian airline SAS SAS.ST will stop selling duty-free goods on board its flights to save fuel and inch closer to its goal of cutting emissions by at least 25 percent by 2030, it said on Tuesday.
The airline industry says it is working to shrink its carbon footprint as it battles a growing campaign launched in Sweden to encourage people to take fewer flights and take "greener" transport options, such as the train. (Full Story)
This has added to the challenge facing an industry that is already battling higher fuel prices and stiffer competition. SAS has also struggled with a pilot strike that grounded 4,000 flights earlier this year. (Full Story)
SAS CEO Rickard Gustafson said in May that SAS had seen some impact from the growing climate debate, with some Swedish companies encouraging employees to take the train instead of short-haul flights.
To show its commitment to tackling emissions blamed for global warming, the company said on Tuesday it would end tax-free onboard sales from the autumn to reduce fuel consumption of its planes by cutting the weight of its flights.
"Every step on the way to sustainable travel is important. Every initiative to reduce weight and thereby cut fuel consumption helps," SAS executive vice president for commercial activities, Karl Sandlund, said in a statement.
A SAS spokeswoman said inflight duty-free sales had been falling and SAS was looking into alternative ways for passengers to buy goods that would have been bought during a flight."

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:16 am
by teme82
Pengaea wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
A321LR has a range of 7,400km, while A321XLR has 8,700km. With A321XLR, AY could fly to entire China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, India, Canada and almost to the entire USA. A321LR can reach Korea, India, and almost Canada entirely. So, we can probably assume, that AY is heading to Japan, USA and China (secondary cities such as Wenzhou, Xiamen, Changsha, etc. which are not reachable with A321LR but with -XLR is), Canada and even to U.S cities such as SEA, DFW, PHL, BOS, etc (not necessarily to all of them).

Just curious, how many km are you subtracting from the published ranges to come up with your guess about secondary Chinese cities? Secondary cities such as Wuhan and Qingdao come in at about 7 000 km from Helsinki... so there is still room to expand with -LRs. Regardless of the math, though, wouldn't Finnair need more Siberian overflight rights to expand significantly in China, anyway?

Frome the YLE article CEO Manner said: "Kapearunkokaluston käyttö Kiinan reiteillä ei kannata, koska Venäjän perimät ylilentomaksut ovat samat koneen matkustajamäärästä riippumatta." In Engilish that means the A321LR/XLR is not profitable for China routes since the over fly permits cost is fixed. So it's the same price regardless of plane type. So I don't see AY using narrow bodies on the Asia routes that are overlying Siberia anytime soon. They could be used to India and North American routes and some leisure African routes.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:54 am
by VSMUT
https://check-in.dk/sas-og-flybe-stopper-samarbejdet/

FlyBe is out. They are withdrawing from the SAS contract 2 years early. Nordica is replacing them.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:17 am
by Lingon
Asiaflyer wrote:
SAS has decided to skip inflight duty free sales on board from over coming months.This is a great move by SAS in my view, reducing weight and emissions from the flights. I also think its really outdated to sell alcohol, cigraettes, perfume etc onboard flights nowadays and surprised that it still exists like it does on many airlines.


I think the environmental friendliness pitch in this qualifies as corporate "male bovine droppings". People seldom buy anything, they lose money on it, they skip it. Simple as that. But that "reducing emissions" thing sounds better to communicate to the general public. Or am I just cynical?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:22 pm
by QuawerAir
teme82 wrote:
Frome the YLE article CEO Manner said: "Kapearunkokaluston käyttö Kiinan reiteillä ei kannata, koska Venäjän perimät ylilentomaksut ovat samat koneen matkustajamäärästä riippumatta." In Engilish that means the A321LR/XLR is not profitable for China routes since the over fly permits cost is fixed. So it's the same price regardless of plane type. So I don't see AY using narrow bodies on the Asia routes that are overlying Siberia anytime soon. They could be used to India and North American routes and some leisure African routes.

Oh, I somehow missed that sentence. But I think narrow-bodies could be deployed to Indian and North American routes and even some leisure African routes as you said. Chennai (and probably Mumbai) is definitely a potential destination for narrow-body operations as AY has shown interest in it and MAA may not have enough demand to support wide-body operations. And in North America, there are a few destinations that could be served with narrow-body, such as PHL, BOS, and YYZ. It would be interesting to know how many passengers could fly from HEL to these destinations if they were served directly.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:38 am
by QuawerAir
The annual report of Airports of Thailand has been released, including route statistics. Statistics for BKK/HKT to Nordics are below:

Bangkok Suvarnabhumi:
HEL: 357,470 (+18.1%)
ARN: 272,307 (-3.6%)
CPH: 268,756 (-4.7%)
OSL: 231,963 (-4.6%)

Phuket:
ARN: 70,293 (-2.2%)
HEL: 66,373 (-1.4%)
CPH: 45,010 (+10.0%)
OSL: 9,216 (+1.7%)

I'm extremely glad about growing passenger volume on HEL-BKK. Do you know what's behind the decreasing PAX volume on other BKK routes (ARN, CPH and OSL)?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:48 am
by QuawerAir
QuawerAir wrote:
The annual report of Airports of Thailand has been released, including route statistics. Statistics for BKK/HKT to Nordics are below:

Bangkok Suvarnabhumi:
HEL: 357,470 (+18.1%)
ARN: 272,307 (-3.6%)
CPH: 268,756 (-4.7%)
OSL: 231,963 (-4.6%)

Phuket:
ARN: 70,293 (-2.2%)
HEL: 66,373 (-1.4%)
CPH: 45,010 (+10.0%)
OSL: 9,216 (+1.7%)

I'm extremely glad about growing passenger volume on HEL-BKK. Do you know what's behind the decreasing PAX volume on other BKK routes (ARN, CPH and OSL)?

And these are the figures for 2018, which I forgot to mention.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:57 am
by seansasLCY
QuawerAir wrote:
The annual report of Airports of Thailand has been released, including route statistics. Statistics for BKK/HKT to Nordics are below:

Bangkok Suvarnabhumi:
HEL: 357,470 (+18.1%)
ARN: 272,307 (-3.6%)
CPH: 268,756 (-4.7%)
OSL: 231,963 (-4.6%)

Phuket:
ARN: 70,293 (-2.2%)
HEL: 66,373 (-1.4%)
CPH: 45,010 (+10.0%)
OSL: 9,216 (+1.7%)

I'm extremely glad about growing passenger volume on HEL-BKK. Do you know what's behind the decreasing PAX volume on other BKK routes (ARN, CPH and OSL)?


Didn't Norwegian reduce its flights to BKK?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:04 am
by QuawerAir
seansasLCY wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
The annual report of Airports of Thailand has been released, including route statistics. Statistics for BKK/HKT to Nordics are below:

Bangkok Suvarnabhumi:
HEL: 357,470 (+18.1%)
ARN: 272,307 (-3.6%)
CPH: 268,756 (-4.7%)
OSL: 231,963 (-4.6%)

Phuket:
ARN: 70,293 (-2.2%)
HEL: 66,373 (-1.4%)
CPH: 45,010 (+10.0%)
OSL: 9,216 (+1.7%)

I'm extremely glad about growing passenger volume on HEL-BKK. Do you know what's behind the decreasing PAX volume on other BKK routes (ARN, CPH and OSL)?


Didn't Norwegian reduce its flights to BKK?

I think they did, but I cannot find anything about that at Routesonline. What I did find, is that they increased flights to BKK in W18/19:

Copenhagen – Bangkok eff 31OCT18 Increase from 2 to 4 weekly
Oslo – Bangkok eff 28OCT18 Increase from 3 to 5 weekly
Stockholm Arlanda – Bangkok eff 02NOV18 Increase from 4 to 5 weekly

Routesonline


Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:17 am
by Nami
QuawerAir wrote:
seansasLCY wrote:

Didn't Norwegian reduce its flights to BKK?

I think they did, but I cannot find anything about that at Routesonline. What I did find, is that they increased flights to BKK in W18/19:


They cut back on those additions and instead used the capacity to open KBV from all three airports.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:11 pm
by ilari
What happened to last night's AY100 HKG-HEL? It was supposed to land at 0600 but according to Finavia diverted to PEK and still on its way?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:31 pm
by cityairline
QuawerAir wrote:
The annual report of Airports of Thailand has been released, including route statistics. Statistics for BKK/HKT to Nordics are below:

Phuket:
ARN: 70,293 (-2.2%)
HEL: 66,373 (-1.4%)
CPH: 45,010 (+10.0%)
OSL: 9,216 (+1.7%)


And thanks for including GOT (25,481), that had three times the OSL figure. And speaking of which, how come OSL has such small pax figures to HKT specifically, compared to the others...?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:24 pm
by vadheim
Norwegians go less on package tours (charter) than Swedes. Phuket is also less popular in Norway than Sweden.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:34 pm
by akb88
Maybe someone here can assist me a bit. I've been going through flights I've been on in the last few years. In June 2013 I flew a short flight from Hamburg to Copenhagen with SAS.
I found the old confirmation email and it says I was on the CRJ-900, a jet. However I so vividly remember it being a propeller engine plane. It is possible that I'm misremembring of course but the memory of it being a prop is so strong. I was in fact sure it was a Q400 until I started looking into this and it saw that SAS had ditched their Q400s by 2013. So what did I fly on?

SK1648
21.06.2013
13:25 - 14:15

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:55 pm
by Bostrom
akb88 wrote:
Maybe someone here can assist me a bit. I've been going through flights I've been on in the last few years. In June 2013 I flew a short flight from Hamburg to Copenhagen with SAS.
I found the old confirmation email and it says I was on the CRJ-900, a jet. However I so vividly remember it being a propeller engine plane. It is possible that I'm misremembring of course but the memory of it being a prop is so strong. I was in fact sure it was a Q400 until I started looking into this and it saw that SAS had ditched their Q400s by 2013. So what did I fly on?

SK1648
21.06.2013
13:25 - 14:15


Sometimes last minute changes happen. But at that time the Q400s and the F50s had both left the fleet and it was still a few months before the first ATR was delivered. But they had a few Saab 2000s, could it have been one of them?

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:58 pm
by SASViking
akb88 wrote:
Maybe someone here can assist me a bit. I've been going through flights I've been on in the last few years. In June 2013 I flew a short flight from Hamburg to Copenhagen with SAS.
I found the old confirmation email and it says I was on the CRJ-900, a jet. However I so vividly remember it being a propeller engine plane. It is possible that I'm misremembring of course but the memory of it being a prop is so strong. I was in fact sure it was a Q400 until I started looking into this and it saw that SAS had ditched their Q400s by 2013. So what did I fly on?

SK1648
21.06.2013
13:25 - 14:15

Possibly an ATR-72. During the summer of 2013, Cimber operated some ATR-72's on behalf of SAS

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:54 am
by QuawerAir
cityairline wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
The annual report of Airports of Thailand has been released, including route statistics. Statistics for BKK/HKT to Nordics are below:

Phuket:
ARN: 70,293 (-2.2%)
HEL: 66,373 (-1.4%)
CPH: 45,010 (+10.0%)
OSL: 9,216 (+1.7%)


And thanks for including GOT (25,481), that had three times the OSL figure. And speaking of which, how come OSL has such small pax figures to HKT specifically, compared to the others...?

Sorry, I totally forgot GOT has flights to HKT. Last year, 23,269 passengers flew between GOT and HKT, so the PAX volume increased by 9,5%.

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:21 am
by mjoelnir
Icelandair passenger numbers in May

Passenger to Iceland (starting the trip outside of Iceland) 142,679 33% increase over 2018
Passengers from Iceland (starting the trip in Iceland) 59,470 15% increase over 2018
Passengers via Iceland 216.942 4% increase over 2018
together 419,019 14% increase over 2018
Passengers year today 1,440,130 11% increase over 2018
load factor in May 82.5% 4.8 % increase over 2018
load factor for the year so far 79.6% 2.7 % increase over 2018
ASK '000,000 in May 1,601 7 % increase over 2018
ASK '000,000 the year so far 5,659 8% increase over 2018
RPK '000,000 in May 1,320 14 % increase over 2018
RPK '000,000 the year so far 4,505 12% increase over 2018

Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:16 am
by kruiseri
VSMUT wrote:
kruiseri wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Yes, Finnair needs more overflight rights in order to expand in China. A321LR has indeed enough range to serve several Chinese cities but not as many as -XLR could. As far as I know, airlines don't usually fly routes that are as long as the maximum range of the operating aircraft. So, I subtracted 400km from both aircraft types. With this range, A321XLR is still able to fly to Japan and to entire China but A321LR can't.


It would be bit of a gamble, the kind I am not sure I would be willing to wager...

What if the demand is not there ? You have a subfleet of XLRs in your fleet that you have no use for. With A330s/A350s you can always deploy the plane elsewhere.

Or what if the PAX simply detest the idea of spending 8+ hours on a A321 ? Yes, you can still install lie flat seats etc, but if you look at AAs Transcon fleet then you end up with only about 100 PAX. Would that make the economics work ?


Why would you have no use for it? It is still, at heart, an A321. May not be as cheap to run as an ordinary A321neo on short routes, but not bad either.

I think most envision a capacity of around 150-190 sears, including some lie-flat. Thats similar to what TATL 757s have.


Finnairs current A321 capacity is 209 seats in all economy config. Current business config is on average maybe 8 seats less so we are talking about around 200 seats. These are still economy seats, they are not suitable for long haul flights. So a 190 seat config with lie flat seats would be very economy heavy, that's not where the margins are. AA has managed to fit 10 lie flat seats in the space between the L1 and L2 doors where AY has 9 rows. So if you want a config that has say 20 lie flat seats you take 18 rows from the current config of 36 rows. That means a total seat count of 128 which I believe would be the best we could hope for. Even then the economy seats would have the 31 inch pitch which may not be desirable for a long haul config.

So as someone already meantioned, anything to the east is a no go because of the Russian overflight fees. What we have left is the US east coast, with the likes of BOS,PHL or IAD. and maybe YYZ in Canada. There is no demand in Africa to justify these planes, and DXB / Canaries can already be served with the current sharkleted A321s. So where would you see the need for these planes ? even routes to India need to overfly Russia btw...