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Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:32 am

According to French media, Finnair and Air Tahiti Nui will offer a "world tour" with a single ticket. The routing would be HEL–NRT–PPT (Papeete)–LAX–HEL. However, nothing mentioned by Finnair nor Air Tahiti Nui... Interesting nevertheless.

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Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:42 am

For some reason, Juneyao Airlines flew its 787-9 to ARN (from HEL, I assume) this morning and is now flying back to Helsinki. Anyone know why?
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:26 am

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For some reason, Juneyao Airlines flew its 787-9 to ARN (from HEL, I assume) this morning and is now flying back to Helsinki. Anyone know why?


Heavy fog at HEL. AY100 from HKG was diverted to KUO and is now arrivig to HEL.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:31 am

Wizz Air will be discontinuing its Luton-Turku flights.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:40 am

Blerg wrote:
Wizz Air will be discontinuing its Luton-Turku flights.


No, looks like summer seasonal.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:55 am

ilari wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
For some reason, Juneyao Airlines flew its 787-9 to ARN (from HEL, I assume) this morning and is now flying back to Helsinki. Anyone know why?


Heavy fog at HEL. AY100 from HKG was diverted to KUO and is now arrivig to HEL.

Thanks! I noticed that there's an A350 flying from KUO and I was a bit amazed.
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:56 am

ilari wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Wizz Air will be discontinuing its Luton-Turku flights.


No, looks like summer seasonal.


Let's wait and see, there is nothing loaded in the system for next summer.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:21 am

QuawerAir wrote:
ilari wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
For some reason, Juneyao Airlines flew its 787-9 to ARN (from HEL, I assume) this morning and is now flying back to Helsinki. Anyone know why?


Heavy fog at HEL. AY100 from HKG was diverted to KUO and is now arrivig to HEL.

Thanks! I noticed that there's an A350 flying from KUO and I was a bit amazed.


So the passengers from HKG got some extra sightseeing, pretty lake scenery next to KUO airport. The very first A350 to KUO?
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:48 am

Turku-Luton is not seeing particularly high fares. I can see that apart from Finnish school holidays, flying LTN-TKU or TKU-LTN for every date from 4 days from today until the end of October, the fare is less than 25 euros for a flight taking over 3 hours - and that includes things like taxes. Either somebody is offering a big subsidy, or Wizz is likely losing money on the route. I would not rely on this route returning for summer 2020
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:09 am

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Turku-Luton is not seeing particularly high fares. I can see that apart from Finnish school holidays, flying LTN-TKU or TKU-LTN for every date from 4 days from today until the end of October, the fare is less than 25 euros for a flight taking over 3 hours - and that includes things like taxes. Either somebody is offering a big subsidy, or Wizz is likely losing money on the route. I would not rely on this route returning for summer 2020


Interestingly enough, London was the second busiest destination out of HEL last year (right behind Stockholm) with 1.005.648 passengers. I guess the UK market from Finland is very HEL-centric.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:58 pm

Blerg wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Turku-Luton is not seeing particularly high fares. I can see that apart from Finnish school holidays, flying LTN-TKU or TKU-LTN for every date from 4 days from today until the end of October, the fare is less than 25 euros for a flight taking over 3 hours - and that includes things like taxes. Either somebody is offering a big subsidy, or Wizz is likely losing money on the route. I would not rely on this route returning for summer 2020


Interestingly enough, London was the second busiest destination out of HEL last year (right behind Stockholm) with 1.005.648 passengers. I guess the UK market from Finland is very HEL-centric.


Or very LHR-centric due to Finnair and British Airways both being in Oneworld?
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:20 pm

It is perhaps worth noting that during the period of school holidays there is a significant increase in price at the start for TKU-LTN and at the end of the period for LTN-TKU - i.e. plenty of parents want to take their kids to see London for a few days. There is no obvious increase in demand by people in London wishing to visit Turku in October

One could perhaps see Turku-London as being similiar to London-Corfu - during the summer, many residents of Turku want to visit London, and residents of London want to visit Corfu. Few people living in London want to visit Turku, and few people living in Corfu want to visit London - tourism demand is very much in one direction on these city pairs. I doubt that Finavia or local Govt in Turku will want to pay money to Wizz to subsidise the wealthier residents of Turku to have a holiday
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:19 pm

Bostrom wrote:
Blerg wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Turku-Luton is not seeing particularly high fares. I can see that apart from Finnish school holidays, flying LTN-TKU or TKU-LTN for every date from 4 days from today until the end of October, the fare is less than 25 euros for a flight taking over 3 hours - and that includes things like taxes. Either somebody is offering a big subsidy, or Wizz is likely losing money on the route. I would not rely on this route returning for summer 2020


Interestingly enough, London was the second busiest destination out of HEL last year (right behind Stockholm) with 1.005.648 passengers. I guess the UK market from Finland is very HEL-centric.


Or very LHR-centric due to Finnair and British Airways both being in Oneworld?


Or both, OW carriers feeding each other. You would think the Atlantic & Siberian (Japan) joint ventures have a significant role here.

In winter there are scheduled services from LGW to three Lapland airports RVN KTT IVL, by Easyjet, Norwegian and even Finnair. Plus the numerous charter flights. Now the local tourist industry is a bit worried what will be the Brexit effect.

The other way around, there was a time Finns bought a week-long package holidays to London, sounds so odd now. I took charters to London a couple of times in the early 1990s, the last one was Finnair B757 to Stansted, brand new then. The Finnish currency was super strong, shopping & partying in London was inexpensive. Oh well that fun didn't last long.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:50 am

ANA has gained a daily slot at Haneda for a direct route to Scandinavia while JAL gained one for Finland (probably HEL)! So we might see ANA launching HND-ARN or CPH and JAL HND-HEL.

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Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:14 am

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ANA has gained a daily slot at Haneda for a direct route to Scandinavia while JAL gained one for Finland (probably HEL)! So we might see ANA launching HND-ARN or CPH and JAL HND-HEL.

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I could See the go for OSL and CPH in a 4 weekly OSL and 3 Weekly CPH but all depends on if there are Coming any other slots the other way too
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:52 am

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One could perhaps see Turku-London as being similiar to London-Corfu - during the summer, many residents of Turku want to visit London, and residents of London want to visit Corfu. Few people living in London want to visit Turku, and few people living in Corfu want to visit London - tourism demand is very much in one direction on these city pairs. I doubt that Finavia or local Govt in Turku will want to pay money to Wizz to subsidise the wealthier residents of Turku to have a holiday


Not comparable.

People in London want to go to Corfu (or any other popular Mediterranean beach destination) and they know they must pay the high pound in peak season. That is why you see 150-200-300 EUR/GBP one way from London to major beach destinations in summer. For most people those are their major (1/2 weeks) holidays, at least in summer. They have no other choice unless they decide to stay in Blackpool :)

People in Turku might want to go to London but part of the attraction is the non-stop, affordable fares. Are those people willing to pay 300 or 400 EUR return per person from Turku to London for a long weekend? Probably not. If it is expensive, London can wait.

Also city-breaks have two other disadvantages compared to sun destinations. If there is an economic slowdown, those British/Finnish families will cut first on city-breaks rather than their summer holidays in Greece or Spain. Most people visit a city once in their lifetime or a couple of times. But those British/Finnish might visit every single year Crete or Málaga.

I also doubt LTN-Turku is so uni-directional. There will be likely some minor VFR traffic (i.e. Finnish living in London) or British tourists to Finland.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:16 am

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ANA has gained a daily slot at Haneda for a direct route to Scandinavia while JAL gained one for Finland (probably HEL)! So we might see ANA launching HND-ARN or CPH and JAL HND-HEL.

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Interesting! Thanks for sharing. Still hoping SK and AY would get slots to Haneda.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:58 am

minilinde wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
ANA has gained a daily slot at Haneda for a direct route to Scandinavia while JAL gained one for Finland (probably HEL)! So we might see ANA launching HND-ARN or CPH and JAL HND-HEL.

Twitter


Interesting! Thanks for sharing. Still hoping SK and AY would get slots to Haneda.

Actually, it seems that the slots are reciprocal, which means that both AY and JL can operate on the route. Maybe the case is the same with Haneda-Scandinavia slots :)
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:14 am

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Actually, it seems that the slots are reciprocal, which means that both AY and JL can operate on the route. Maybe the case is the same with Haneda-Scandinavia slots :)

Meaning that the slots are not given to any specific airline?
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:23 am

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0 ... air-bonds/

Norwegian wishes to delay repayment of bonds. Offer landing slots as security.

I'm not sure that if I were a bondholder I'd like this as they could burn through a lot of cash between now and then and landing slots at Heathrow while valuable might not be worth in future depending on the fortunes of the British economy.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:12 am

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https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0902/1073240-norwegian-air-bonds/

Norwegian wishes to delay repayment of bonds. Offer landing slots as security.

I'm not sure that if I were a bondholder I'd like this as they could burn through a lot of cash between now and then and landing slots at Heathrow while valuable might not be worth in future depending on the fortunes of the British economy.


Thanks for sharing the article. It's the slots at Gatwick they want to use as security. I think something radical have to happen to Norwegian for them to survive (e.g. sell of the long haul division).
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:33 am

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Actually, it seems that the slots are reciprocal, which means that both AY and JL can operate on the route. Maybe the case is the same with Haneda-Scandinavia slots :)

Meaning that the slots are not given to any specific airline?

Correct, according to this reply to my tweet.
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:58 pm

minilinde wrote:
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https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0902/1073240-norwegian-air-bonds/

Norwegian wishes to delay repayment of bonds. Offer landing slots as security.

I'm not sure that if I were a bondholder I'd like this as they could burn through a lot of cash between now and then and landing slots at Heathrow while valuable might not be worth in future depending on the fortunes of the British economy.


Thanks for sharing the article. It's the slots at Gatwick they want to use as security. I think something radical have to happen to Norwegian for them to survive (e.g. sell of the long haul division).

Similar view from the US: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/02/business ... index.html

Relevant quote: "The difficulty is that the long-haul business model doesn't really work in our view. There isn't really long haul, low cost, only long haul, low price," Roeska [Bernstein analyst] said.
 
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:33 pm

NWADC10BOS wrote:
Similar view from the US: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/02/business ... index.html

Relevant quote: "The difficulty is that the long-haul business model doesn't really work in our view. There isn't really long haul, low cost, only long haul, low price," Roeska [Bernstein analyst] said.


Great article. Seems like they are in deep trouble. In the plus side Norwegian are using 9H-MIP (HiFly A380) on OSL/ARN-JFK right now. Landed at ARN just a few hours ago. That got to be expensive!
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:54 am

Per Lentoposti, Finland has gained 2 slots at HND, one for both Finnair and JAL. The same goes for Haneda–Scandinavia where ANA gained one daily slot for operations to Scandinavia. However, I've been told (by a person who works for Finavia) that AY's HND slots are yet to be confirmed. But it's likely that slots will be allocated as Lentoposti said.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:36 am

SAS moves LAX route from ARN to CPH per Jan-2020: https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-announc ... openhagen/
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:38 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Per Lentoposti, Finland has gained 2 slots at HND, one for both Finnair and JAL. The same goes for Haneda–Scandinavia where ANA gained one daily slot for operations to Scandinavia. However, I've been told (by a person who works for Finavia) that AY's HND slots are yet to be confirmed. But it's likely that slots will be allocated as Lentoposti said.

Well if there is other operator based in Finland, that could start operating the route, do let me know. I think it's safe to say AY and JL will fly on the route.
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SAS moves LAX route from ARN to CPH per Jan-2020: https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-announc ... openhagen/

A bit surprising news to me.. Looks like SAS really has lost the long-haul business in Stockholm area to Finnair and some others.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:14 am

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okobjorn wrote:
SAS moves LAX route from ARN to CPH per Jan-2020: https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-announc ... openhagen/

A bit surprising news to me.. Looks like SAS really has lost the long-haul business in Stockholm area to Finnair and some others.

So, no flights from ARN to LAX as of January 2020? ARN seems to lose pretty significant amount of their U.S flights next winter/summer.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:50 pm

Asiaflyer wrote:
okobjorn wrote:
SAS moves LAX route from ARN to CPH per Jan-2020: https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-announc ... openhagen/

A bit surprising news to me.. Looks like SAS really has lost the long-haul business in Stockholm area to Finnair and some others.


It is not surprising because of the Swedish aviation tax. It is too high, and is causing a slowdown in traffic in Sweden and to/from Sweden.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:35 pm

I know Norwegian cutting down on US routes also, don't remember if ARN-LAX was one of them? couldn't this be an excellent opportunity for Norwegian to fill the gap when SAS move the flight to CPH?
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:39 pm

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I know Norwegian cutting down on US routes also, don't remember if ARN-LAX was one of them? couldn't this be an excellent opportunity for Norwegian to fill the gap when SAS move the flight to CPH?

Pretty sure Norwegian announced earlier this year that ARN-LAX was closing. Don't them making any come back here..
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:41 pm

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I know Norwegian cutting down on US routes also, don't remember if ARN-LAX was one of them? couldn't this be an excellent opportunity for Norwegian to fill the gap when SAS move the flight to CPH?

Norwegian will be bankrupt by then :white: ;)
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:55 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Asiaflyer wrote:
okobjorn wrote:
SAS moves LAX route from ARN to CPH per Jan-2020: https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-announc ... openhagen/

A bit surprising news to me.. Looks like SAS really has lost the long-haul business in Stockholm area to Finnair and some others.

So, no flights from ARN to LAX as of January 2020? ARN seems to lose pretty significant amount of their U.S flights next winter/summer.


So much for Stockholm being the capital of Scandinavia. With SAS first moving HKG and now LAX + Norwegian cutting their ARN-US network, ARN is back to square one again with only EWR/ORD. Maybe time to shelve the preclearance plans and with dropping pax numbers stop grandiose expansion plans at ARN. I guess they had it coming with a weak Swedish krona, flygskam and the aviation tax.

At the end of the day, ARN is just a regional airport at the northern fringes of Europe, and not a major intercontinental hub. CPH is the de facto hub for Scandinavia/Nordics, with HEL having carved out its place for Asia flying. ARN will never be able to compete with CPH/HEL and reach that level of long haul flying.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:39 pm

B747forever wrote:
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Asiaflyer wrote:
A bit surprising news to me.. Looks like SAS really has lost the long-haul business in Stockholm area to Finnair and some others.

So, no flights from ARN to LAX as of January 2020? ARN seems to lose pretty significant amount of their U.S flights next winter/summer.


So much for Stockholm being the capital of Scandinavia. With SAS first moving HKG and now LAX + Norwegian cutting their ARN-US network, ARN is back to square one again with only EWR/ORD. Maybe time to shelve the preclearance plans and with dropping pax numbers stop grandiose expansion plans at ARN. I guess they had it coming with a weak Swedish krona, flygskam and the aviation tax.

At the end of the day, ARN is just a regional airport at the northern fringes of Europe, and not a major intercontinental hub. CPH is the de facto hub for Scandinavia/Nordics, with HEL having carved out its place for Asia flying. ARN will never be able to compete with CPH/HEL and reach that level of long haul flying.

Airbus forecasted HEL and CPH to become the major hubs of the Northern Europe and I think it's an accurate prediction.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:52 pm

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B747forever wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
So, no flights from ARN to LAX as of January 2020? ARN seems to lose pretty significant amount of their U.S flights next winter/summer.


So much for Stockholm being the capital of Scandinavia. With SAS first moving HKG and now LAX + Norwegian cutting their ARN-US network, ARN is back to square one again with only EWR/ORD. Maybe time to shelve the preclearance plans and with dropping pax numbers stop grandiose expansion plans at ARN. I guess they had it coming with a weak Swedish krona, flygskam and the aviation tax.

At the end of the day, ARN is just a regional airport at the northern fringes of Europe, and not a major intercontinental hub. CPH is the de facto hub for Scandinavia/Nordics, with HEL having carved out its place for Asia flying. ARN will never be able to compete with CPH/HEL and reach that level of long haul flying.

Airbus forecasted HEL and CPH to become the major hubs of the Northern Europe and I think it's an accurate prediction.


Certainly looks like it. Not only is HEL a hub for Asia flying, but also their US network is now more extensive than ARN’s with JFK, ORD, MIA, SFO and LAX.
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So what are you predictions for ARN in the future? What might become of them? Will they just keep on shrinking into irrelevancy?
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:46 pm

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So what are you predictions for ARN in the future? What might become of them? Will they just keep on shrinking into irrelevancy?


Any hope of ARN becoming a long haul hub for SAS has been crushed with HKG and LAX moved to CPH. Even more so now with LAX moved as CPH already has a West Coast gateway (SFO) and despite the larger O&D between ARN-LAX vs CPH-LAX. This shows that while there might be demand for long haul flights to/from ARN, the purchasing power of the region or willingness to pay a premium for intercontinental nonstop routes is not there. Thus ARN will be, just like in the past a feeder airport for major European hubs including CPH/HEL with some token long haul services.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:24 pm

B747forever wrote:
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So what are you predictions for ARN in the future? What might become of them? Will they just keep on shrinking into irrelevancy?


Any hope of ARN becoming a long haul hub for SAS has been crushed with HKG and LAX moved to CPH. Even more so now with LAX moved as CPH already has a West Coast gateway (SFO) and despite the larger O&D between ARN-LAX vs CPH-LAX. This shows that while there might be demand for long haul flights to/from ARN, the purchasing power of the region or willingness to pay a premium for intercontinental nonstop routes is not there. Thus ARN will be, just like in the past a feeder airport for major European hubs including CPH/HEL with some token long haul services.


So do you think we might see more cuts in ARN in favor of CPH? I am not necessarily talking about long-haul, maybe even short and medium haul?
 
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B747forever wrote:
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So what are you predictions for ARN in the future? What might become of them? Will they just keep on shrinking into irrelevancy?


Any hope of ARN becoming a long haul hub for SAS has been crushed with HKG and LAX moved to CPH. Even more so now with LAX moved as CPH already has a West Coast gateway (SFO) and despite the larger O&D between ARN-LAX vs CPH-LAX. This shows that while there might be demand for long haul flights to/from ARN, the purchasing power of the region or willingness to pay a premium for intercontinental nonstop routes is not there. Thus ARN will be, just like in the past a feeder airport for major European hubs including CPH/HEL with some token long haul services.


So do you think we might see more cuts in ARN in favor of CPH? I am not necessarily talking about long-haul, maybe even short and medium haul?


As long as the current political climate is anti aviation in Sweden, I think ARN will continue to shrink until a recession. Maybe then Swedes will have another look at aviation?
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:38 am

Oykie wrote:
Blerg wrote:
B747forever wrote:

Any hope of ARN becoming a long haul hub for SAS has been crushed with HKG and LAX moved to CPH. Even more so now with LAX moved as CPH already has a West Coast gateway (SFO) and despite the larger O&D between ARN-LAX vs CPH-LAX. This shows that while there might be demand for long haul flights to/from ARN, the purchasing power of the region or willingness to pay a premium for intercontinental nonstop routes is not there. Thus ARN will be, just like in the past a feeder airport for major European hubs including CPH/HEL with some token long haul services.


So do you think we might see more cuts in ARN in favor of CPH? I am not necessarily talking about long-haul, maybe even short and medium haul?


As long as the current political climate is anti aviation in Sweden, I think ARN will continue to shrink until a recession. Maybe then Swedes will have another look at aviation?


True and the biggest problem for most Swedes (except those in the very south) is that they have no alternative airport in a foreign country to travel from. Those in the south are lucky as they can cross into Denmark but for example those in Stockholm will have to pay higher fares as there is less and less competition while more and more taxes are being added.

This could also be one of the reasons why Wizz Air has started expanding in CPH in stead of MMX.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:32 am

Over the past four years, ARN has seen reductions on / lost the following U.S. routes:

Delta: 7x weekly JFK–ARN (canceled)

Norwegian:
4x weekly ARN–JFK (from year-round to seasonal)
3x weekly ARN–LAS (canceled)
3x weekly ARN–LAX (from year-round to seasonal)
1x weekly ARN–MCO (canceled)
3x weekly ARN–OAK (from year-round to seasonal)

SAS: 6-7x weekly ARN–LAX (canceled)

United: 7x weekly EWR–ARN (from year-round to seasonal)

Most of the reductions have been made in since 2018. S20 is still unsure, but it doesn't look good either. There are U.S flights on sale from CPH (only MCO), OSL, LGW and some other airports but none from ARN. Please, correct me if I've missed something or the weekly frequencies are incorrect.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:34 am

Wizz will start their third Polish destination from TKU next year: WAW twice weekly.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:12 am

Finnair and LATAM Airlines begin codeshare partnership in October 2019 connecting Helsinki to Santiago de Chile and São Paulo via LHR, MAD, BCN and CDG. I'm really glad they finally did this.

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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:34 am

Blerg wrote:
Oykie wrote:
Blerg wrote:

So do you think we might see more cuts in ARN in favor of CPH? I am not necessarily talking about long-haul, maybe even short and medium haul?


As long as the current political climate is anti aviation in Sweden, I think ARN will continue to shrink until a recession. Maybe then Swedes will have another look at aviation?


True and the biggest problem for most Swedes (except those in the very south) is that they have no alternative airport in a foreign country to travel from. Those in the south are lucky as they can cross into Denmark but for example those in Stockholm will have to pay higher fares as there is less and less competition while more and more taxes are being added.

This could also be one of the reasons why Wizz Air has started expanding in CPH in stead of MMX.


You bring up valid points. And for residents of Stockholm, Helsinki could be a good option.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:16 am

Regional Jet is expaning their CRJ-900 wetlease to SAS with 5 more aircraft from March 2020.


https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/regional-jet/nordicas-subsidiary-regional-jet-estonia-to-add-more-crj900-aircraft-for-sas/

The Estonian capacity provider REGIONAL JET will be expanding its cooperation with SAS by adding 5 more CRJ900 under long term ACMI contract


Currently they operate 2 CRJ-900 and 8 ATR-72-600 on behalf of SAS
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:40 am

ilari wrote:
Wizz will start their third Polish destination from TKU next year: WAW twice weekly.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:43 am

ilari wrote:
ilari wrote:
Wizz will start their third Polish destination from TKU next year: WAW twice weekly.


Yes, it is official. LTN will end. I assume Brexit is also a strong reason.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:21 pm

ilari wrote:
ilari wrote:
ilari wrote:
Wizz will start their third Polish destination from TKU next year: WAW twice weekly.


Yes, it is official. LTN will end. I assume Brexit is also a strong reason.


Brexit is not the primary reason for ending Luton-Turku. The problem is that for virtually all dates, Wizzair are having trouble selling tickets at just 25 euros. For a 3 hour flight, the yield must be terrible - and that's in early autumn while the UK remains in the EU
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:26 pm

Air Serbia is extending its HEL flights into winter, two times per week (Tuesdays and Fridays) onboard their A319.

JU did really well in HEL this summer as many CRJ flights that were scheduled were eventually replaced with the A319.

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