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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:50 am

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BITRE domestic figures for November have been released at https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/domestic_airline_activity-monthly_publications.aspx.

MEZ-SYD had an 89.4% load factor - you've got to be kidding me! In fact, the lowest load factor of the top nine routes was ADL-MEZ with 85.0%.

I'd say there's some serious coin being made; but surely being too full starts to cost you at some point? It will be interesting to see whatcapacity levels get deployed in NW19-20.

MEZ-SYD??? Wouldn't think there would be a lot of traffic Messina South Africa to Sydney! I assume you meant MEL, if so I don't think they are particularly high on an historical basis, they seem to be in the same ball park as Ansett & TAA got.

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I pilfered JQ's MEZ code for 'All Melbourne Airports' because the figures for 'Melbourne-Sydney' include AVV-SYD.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:53 am

This article from Bloomberg says "The proposed aircraft, which would debut by 2024 or 2025, would be able to fly about 5,000 nautical miles. The goal is to serve both heavily congested short-range flights within China and Asia as well as longer routes from, say, the U.S. Midwest to central Europe far more efficiently than current generations of Airbus SE’s A330 and Boeing 767 jetliners." It also talks about the decision Boeing must make on the shape of the jet with regards to cargo.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ew-797-jet
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:54 am

I pilfered JQ's MEZ code for 'All Melbourne Airports' because the figures for 'Melbourne-Sydney' include AVV-SYD.


Seeing as how SYD people refer to Melbourne and Victoria as Mexico, does MEZ mean "all Mezican airports"?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:04 am

^^Hmmmm....we'll let that one go thru to the keeper" so he says with a smile on his face.
remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:20 am

Good news for Broome

Silk air to fly some more flights from Broome to Singapore in June 2019
https://thewest.com.au/news/regional/si ... 881076645z
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:24 am

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Well it's still in development as Boeing tries to define (it's most profitable) market.

I think it's generally accepted it's being targeted at shorter routes, given almost every other widebody 333neo, 350, 777x, 787 is targeted at longer routes.

But seems to be a push from US airlines for a 4000 mile range so it can fly east coast US to Europe.


I do think from a capacity stand point QF would miss the 767, from a reliability and cost perspective not so much.

I do hope Boeing doesn’t add too much range, which I fear it may. A regional version would be perfect for AU and China domestic, maybe even trans Tasman, and within south east Asia.

For shorter sector lengths eg SYD-MEL, turn around time is key and two aisle is king in boarding potentially allowing and additional daily flight over a narrow body, especially 321/739 fuselage length.

Again two versions of the famil could be good for Asia and domestic? Replacing the 330s and some 737 flying?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:45 am

Thomas Cook adds CNS charter for early Jan 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... r-in-nw19/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:31 am

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Thomas Cook adds CNS charter for early Jan 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... r-in-nw19/


LGW-GOI-CNS it appears, very strange route no doubt, one can only hope this marks the beginning of more expansion by European holiday carriers into Australia.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:39 am

Today AJ was on Perth drive program

Covers a bit of the dispute with PAPL.
Also touches on expansion of Perth and regional WA flights, as well as Perth-east services.

Copy of podcast
https://www.6pr.com.au/podcast/were-add ... lan-joyce/
 
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Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:50 am

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Thomas Cook adds CNS charter for early Jan 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... r-in-nw19/


LGW-GOI-CNS it appears, very strange route no doubt, one can only hope this marks the beginning of more expansion by European holiday carriers into Australia.

Not me - GOI is a station that Thomas Cook serves, so if you have to stop somewhere why not pick the one that you serve? Also GOI-CNS should be pretty comfortable with an A332 performance wise.

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Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:02 pm

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 50szk.html

Some fairly balanced public comments by Joyce

Mr Joyce said they would move from the old domestic airport by 2025 but that was subject to "the right commercial deal".
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:06 am

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I do hope Boeing doesn’t add too much range, which I fear it may. A regional version would be perfect for AU and China domestic, maybe even trans Tasman, and within south east Asia. For shorter sector lengths eg SYD-MEL, turn around time is key and two aisle is king in boarding potentially allowing and additional daily flight over a narrow body, especially 321/739 fuselage length.
Again two versions of the famil could be good for Asia and domestic? Replacing the 330s and some 737 flying?


Given Boeing's 'versioning' of other 7x7 aircraft I'd expect the 797 to be offered in at least two models, one medium-range and one long-range, like a 797-8 and a 797-9, and who knows, maybe even a 'stretched' 797-10 version...
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:14 am

moa999 wrote:
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/qantas-chief-to-meet-with-perth-airport-amid-bitter-fee-feud-20190122-p50szk.html

Some fairly balanced public comments by Joyce

Mr Joyce said they would move from the old domestic airport by 2025 but that was subject to "the right commercial deal".


Cant blame him
My pod cast above he talks about not knowing whats being offered.
Good to hear him saying they are ramping up Perth flights from april.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:15 am

moa999 wrote:
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/qantas-chief-to-meet-with-perth-airport-amid-bitter-fee-feud-20190122-p50szk.html

Some fairly balanced public comments by Joyce

Mr Joyce said they would move from the old domestic airport by 2025 but that was subject to "the right commercial deal".

Surely it depends on the current lease deal. If the existing lease expires in 2025 and PER choose not to offer a renewal, they have no option but to move.
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:18 am

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I do hope Boeing doesn’t add too much range, which I fear it may. A regional version would be perfect for AU and China domestic, maybe even trans Tasman, and within south east Asia. For shorter sector lengths eg SYD-MEL, turn around time is key and two aisle is king in boarding potentially allowing and additional daily flight over a narrow body, especially 321/739 fuselage length.
Again two versions of the famil could be good for Asia and domestic? Replacing the 330s and some 737 flying?


Given Boeing's 'versioning' of other 7x7 aircraft I'd expect the 797 to be offered in at least two models, one medium-range and one long-range, like a 797-8 and a 797-9, and who knows, maybe even a 'stretched' 797-10 version...

There will undoubtedly be a couple of versions offered but the question is what the 797 is optimised for. A longer range optimisation will mean a bigger wing which means there are issues in using the type in gates currently occupied by 737s and A320s. A shorter range optimisation would allow a smaller wing but would be hard to offer a long range version. What is certain is there won't be two different wings; that would just be too expensive.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:53 am

angusjt wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Thomas Cook adds CNS charter for early Jan 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... r-in-nw19/


LGW-GOI-CNS it appears, very strange route no doubt, one can only hope this marks the beginning of more expansion by European holiday carriers into Australia.


Very unlikely I think. While Oz is full of European holidaymakers, I doubt there is much space left in the market with the huge capacity in place already and I just don't think airlines like Thomas Cook or TUI can offer any efficiency benefits vs the ME carriers.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:54 am

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Surely it depends on the current lease deal. If the existing lease expires in 2025 and PER choose not to offer a renewal, they have no option but to move.


Also presupposes that PER can build a new terminal by 2025
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:07 am

Construction of the domestic pier at PER took a little over 3 years to complete (Sep 2012 - Nov 2015). This obviously doesn't include the approvals/ planning lead time.

I would expect the international terminal redevelopment to be considerably more complex and time consuming.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but apart from receiving federal and state planning approvals, I don't believe PAPL have made any significant progress toward construction (environmental, building, community approvals, high-level design, contracts, procurement, DFS studies) and with only 6 years remaining on the 'Qantas Clock', I can see them battling to have this completed in time. I am not talking about the train line or overpass, but the actual terminal precinct itself (not to mention the 3rd runway!).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:23 am

Looking at QF’s schedules for AKL for NS19 it looks like they will add an additional daily A330 SYD-AKL at the expense of MEL-AKL which gets a 3rd 738 and 1 A330. They also look to be stopping the red eye MEL-AKL which I’ve always thought was for utilisation purposes and probably a freight run. They are adding an early afternoon ex MEL in its place.

I did wonder weather something like that might happen but I thought maybe they would do 2 daily A330’s AKL-BNE over the NS given BNE’s warmer climate.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:39 am

VA opposing CX/QF codeshare... looks interesting if true.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/vir ... codeshare/
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:51 am

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Construction of the domestic pier at PER took a little over 3 years to complete (Sep 2012 - Nov 2015). This obviously doesn't include the approvals/ planning lead time.

I would expect the international terminal redevelopment to be considerably more complex and time consuming.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but apart from receiving federal and state planning approvals, I don't believe PAPL have made any significant progress toward construction (environmental, building, community approvals, high-level design, contracts, procurement, DFS studies) and with only 6 years remaining on the 'Qantas Clock', I can see them battling to have this completed in time. I am not talking about the train line or overpass, but the actual terminal precinct itself (not to mention the 3rd runway!).


Wasn’t the QF domestic terminal precinct tonopen a year or two after the VA one, however this was delayed two years before being postponed... and international expansion was postponed in the last year or so after being delayed- I can see why QF have no confidences
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:07 am

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VA opposing CX/QF codeshare... looks interesting if true.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/vir ... codeshare/


This is hardly surprising and you'd think QF and CX should've been expecting it. What will be interesting will be what QF/CX are willing to give up to get codeshare through. With route capacity already full, you'd think VA will be wanting some more HKG slots in exchange for their acceptance of the arrangement and they probably don't care who they come from.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:20 am

smi0006 wrote:
soectre99 wrote:
Construction of the domestic pier at PER took a little over 3 years to complete (Sep 2012 - Nov 2015). This obviously doesn't include the approvals/ planning lead time.

I would expect the international terminal redevelopment to be considerably more complex and time consuming.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but apart from receiving federal and state planning approvals, I don't believe PAPL have made any significant progress toward construction (environmental, building, community approvals, high-level design, contracts, procurement, DFS studies) and with only 6 years remaining on the 'Qantas Clock', I can see them battling to have this completed in time. I am not talking about the train line or overpass, but the actual terminal precinct itself (not to mention the 3rd runway!).


Wasn’t the QF domestic terminal precinct tonopen a year or two after the VA one, however this was delayed two years before being postponed... and international expansion was postponed in the last year or so after being delayed- I can see why QF have no confidences


There was a dispute with the airport and the builder of VA precinct which PAPL won. So there was some delays out of their hands.
https://thewest.com.au/business/commerc ... b88346352z
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:37 am

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Construction of the domestic pier at PER took a little over 3 years to complete (Sep 2012 - Nov 2015). This obviously doesn't include the approvals/ planning lead time.

I would expect the international terminal redevelopment to be considerably more complex and time consuming.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but apart from receiving federal and state planning approvals, I don't believe PAPL have made any significant progress toward construction (environmental, building, community approvals, high-level design, contracts, procurement, DFS studies) and with only 6 years remaining on the 'Qantas Clock', I can see them battling to have this completed in time. I am not talking about the train line or overpass, but the actual terminal precinct itself (not to mention the 3rd runway!).


Public feedback for the 3rd runway was requested and submitted by the public last year and is currently all feedback is being considered and reviewed.

https://www.perthairport.com.au/Home/co ... ay-project

Community consultation or concerns is also addressed through the PACF which meets every 3 months

Back in November when the images were released of the future expansion of the International Terminal plus the domestic pier for QF it was being planned to be completed by the end of 2024, when QF originally agreed prior to announceent of PER-LHR they made a commitment to move by 31 Dec 2025, so I think it is fair to say PAPL has already factored some room for movement.

Lastly the management between when T1 domestic and T2 was built to now is different. During that time the CEO at the time was one to blame everyone else, I think we should not just assume that because it has happened in the past. Personally I think the current CEO Kevin Brown has been far more front and centre with trying to enhance the passenger experience and grow the airport compared to what the previous CEO before him did.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:33 am

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Today AJ was on Perth drive program

Covers a bit of the dispute with PAPL.
Also touches on expansion of Perth and regional WA flights, as well as Perth-east services.

Copy of podcast
https://www.6pr.com.au/podcast/were-add ... lan-joyce/


For those who havent listened to it here are the highlights

Spoke about not only costs of PAPL but other airports around Australia
Adding capacity in April from interstate markets by 11% includes direct services to regional centres
PER-LHR generated $100 million in free publicity and captured the imagination of the world
Employ 4000 people locally
Wants to grow international operation
PER-LHR QF took a big risk devoting 787's to the route
PER-LHR performing really well
Questioned about EY pulling out, EK cutting services - when flying direct it would provide more competition
First time in 3 years resource sector turning, for first half of 18/19 grew by 9%
A320's on PER-BME been a success, great model to build on into leisure markets
Needs to be more volume into regional centres to bring costs down
Want to build on the success on PER-BME
Trying to build capacity back on PER-MEL/SYD/BNE
Spoke about Project Sunrise - SYD-JFK will be about 19 hours, SYD-LHR 21 hours
Hopefully will be completed this year
SYD-JFK can be flown with full passengers and payload
SYD-LHR and MEL-LHR little bit short but comes back to product but can do it economically
PER-LHR bigger aircraft and lot more capacity really feasible, looking at growing that capacity
Asked once SYD-LHR starts will PER-LHR be cut, short answer NO
From PER-LHR is so strong there is unbelievable demand here (95% for business), that by the time SYD-LHR starts they believe they can grow both markets together
Hoping for 2022-2023 start for SYD-LHR
Talks about using space for bars, exercise area. creche where seats cant be used
One thing that amazes AJ on PER-LHR on customer ratings is the 787 has be designed for LH travel, yoga class in the lounge at PER for example but they are looking at taking it to the next level for SYD-LHR
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:55 am

Bookings for NH NRT-PER open on 7 Feb 19

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:16 am

Speaking of third runways - the Major Development Plan (MDP) for Tullamarine's 3rd airport runway was originally going to be released for public consultation in December and it was pushed back to early 2019...

I'm probably getting ahead of myself (and the MDP itself - assuming it'll have something about phased construction) - the overall project will see 09/27 extended out to 3km, I assume 09R/27L (the new runway) will be built first before they undertake extension works on the existing runway to minimise disruption during construction, no?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:22 am

MEL needs a terminal overhaul as badly or more than a third runway...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:04 am

qf789 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
Today AJ was on Perth drive program

Covers a bit of the dispute with PAPL.
Also touches on expansion of Perth and regional WA flights, as well as Perth-east services.

Copy of podcast
https://www.6pr.com.au/podcast/were-add ... lan-joyce/


For those who havent listened to it here are the highlights

PER-LHR generated $100 million in free publicity and captured the imagination of the world


He does specifically say the $100 million in free publicity was for Western Australia - not for Qantas.

Very interesting podcast and great to see the conclusion is that Project Sunrise is economical. I like the fact a new First Class will be introduced with the Project Sunrise aircraft.

A shame the interviewer cut him off - he said there were four elements to Project Sunrise, the first is negotiating with Airbus and Boeing... and then they never really came back to it. I guess the discussion about the on board yoga or creche etc was part of it.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:12 pm

qf789 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
Today AJ was on Perth drive program

Covers a bit of the dispute with PAPL.
Also touches on expansion of Perth and regional WA flights, as well as Perth-east services.

Copy of podcast
https://www.6pr.com.au/podcast/were-add ... lan-joyce/


For those who havent listened to it here are the highlights

Spoke about not only costs of PAPL but other airports around Australia
Adding capacity in April from interstate markets by 11% includes direct services to regional centres
PER-LHR generated $100 million in free publicity and captured the imagination of the world
Employ 4000 people locally
Wants to grow international operation
PER-LHR QF took a big risk devoting 787's to the route
PER-LHR performing really well
Questioned about EY pulling out, EK cutting services - when flying direct it would provide more competition
First time in 3 years resource sector turning, for first half of 18/19 grew by 9%
A320's on PER-BME been a success, great model to build on into leisure markets
Needs to be more volume into regional centres to bring costs down
Want to build on the success on PER-BME
Trying to build capacity back on PER-MEL/SYD/BNE
Spoke about Project Sunrise - SYD-JFK will be about 19 hours, SYD-LHR 21 hours
Hopefully will be completed this year
SYD-JFK can be flown with full passengers and payload
SYD-LHR and MEL-LHR little bit short but comes back to product but can do it economically
PER-LHR bigger aircraft and lot more capacity really feasible, looking at growing that capacity
Asked once SYD-LHR starts will PER-LHR be cut, short answer NO
From PER-LHR is so strong there is unbelievable demand here (95% for business), that by the time SYD-LHR starts they believe they can grow both markets together
Hoping for 2022-2023 start for SYD-LHR
Talks about using space for bars, exercise area. creche where seats cant be used
One thing that amazes AJ on PER-LHR on customer ratings is the 787 has be designed for LH travel, yoga class in the lounge at PER for example but they are looking at taking it to the next level for SYD-LHR


There was a fair amount of rhetoric in that interview. I.e Perth is one of the most expensive airports in the world. Just so happens QF is one of the most expensive airlines in the world as well.

To put it simply these guys need to work through the issues
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:42 pm

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There was a fair amount of rhetoric in that interview. I.e Perth is one of the most expensive airports in the world. Just so happens QF is one of the most expensive airlines in the world as well.

To put it simply these guys need to work through the issues


Sure, and Australia is one of the most expensive countries in the world, with high wages and high living costs.

Everything is linked. Qantas would be cheaper if it paid people less, which it could do if Australia was less expensive to live in and so on and so forth. This will never change.

Arguably it's because Australia is so rich that people can afford the higher prices for the non-stop flights, which in turn makes them viable.
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:17 am

Morning All, 1st post for 2019 & 1st post in a really long time to say the least.
Last nights QF9 PER-LHR night stopped and been rescheduled to depart this morning 11:15 PER time. Direct result of the delay QF9 MEL-PER & QF10 PER-MEL on the 25th January has been downgauged to a B737.
It’s worth mentioning VHOJS will operate it’s last international service 19th of February.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:25 am

VA objecting to and the ACCC taking a closer look at the QF/CX codeshare

https://iasc.gov.au/applications/files/ ... cation.pdf
https://iasc.gov.au/applications/files/ ... cation.pdf
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:37 am

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waoz1 wrote:
VA opposing CX/QF codeshare... looks interesting if true.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/vir ... codeshare/


This is hardly surprising and you'd think QF and CX should've been expecting it. What will be interesting will be what QF/CX are willing to give up to get codeshare through. With route capacity already full, you'd think VA will be wanting some more HKG slots in exchange for their acceptance of the arrangement and they probably don't care who they come from.


That's not entirely true. There are plenty of flights available from the Australian side available for services to Hong Kong. On the Hong Kong side they are full hence why Hong Kong Airlines isn't flying to major Australian cities. The slot situation is somewhat different with HKG being full but you HKG is not an airport where you can trade slots nor one where they would grant an Australian Airline a preference over others for obtaining them. So I'm not sure how QF / CX could offer concessions on such a deal other than limiting the codeshare.

Also interesting that QF made the codeshare agreement confidential thereby denying the ACCC and Virgin the chance to review it. I'd have thought this would be a route where you would need an ACCC approval to codeshare but we'll see what happens.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:28 am

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Also interesting that QF made the codeshare agreement confidential thereby denying the ACCC and Virgin the chance to review it. I'd have thought this would be a route where you would need an ACCC approval to codeshare but we'll see what happens.


They made it confidential because the IASC's standard practice, when calling for submissions, is to release all the information included in an application unless the applicant makes a particular document confidential. Naturally, QF (and CX) don't want VA seeing the details of the agreement, so they make it confidential and let the ACCC request a copy. I've no doubt QF will provide a copy to the ACCC.

It's also standard practice for airlines to submit to the IASC first, and let the ACCC essentially call an application in through the IASC process.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:49 am

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VA objecting to and the ACCC taking a closer look at the QF/CX codeshare

https://iasc.gov.au/applications/files/ ... cation.pdf
https://iasc.gov.au/applications/files/ ... cation.pdf


Belated Happy New Year to everyone! I get VA's intentions here but I'd be treading carefully if I were them as the whole VAI ownership might get thrown back at them by QF who have done this in the past when the VAI unit was set up in March 2012, here is the letter QF sent the IASC about such matters: https://iasc.gov.au/applications/files/4689.pdf QF have kept the powder dry on the ownership for a long time. At some time they will reload.

As this is my first post of the year I'll add my 2c to the earlier discussion:

Highlights:
    QF's PER-LHR. Still amazes me that we are non-stop to England.
    VA's PER-HBA service. Seems to be doing better than I though it would, just a shame it wasn't QF for one stop to LHR.
Lowlights:
    That HBA still doesn't have an INTL service after they spent a small fortune on the runway extension.
    That PER and QF can't get on.

Predictions:
    NZ will launch 3x weekly AKL-HBA before the year is out. VA doing it would be pointless given the lack of feed in or out of AKL.
    QF will fly own metal (A330) to SGN by year end. Random one but I keep hearing that Vietnam is the place to be and QF jumped on DPS after a long wait.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:06 am

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Also interesting that QF made the codeshare agreement confidential thereby denying the ACCC and Virgin the chance to review it. I'd have thought this would be a route where you would need an ACCC approval to codeshare but we'll see what happens.


They made it confidential because the IASC's standard practice, when calling for submissions, is to release all the information included in an application unless the applicant makes a particular document confidential. Naturally, QF (and CX) don't want VA seeing the details of the agreement, so they make it confidential and let the ACCC request a copy. I've no doubt QF will provide a copy to the ACCC.

It's also standard practice for airlines to submit to the IASC first, and let the ACCC essentially call an application in through the IASC process.


For codeshares you are correct. JV's have to go through the ACCC process so an application to the IASC is a waste of time without prior ACCC approval. No doubt the ACCC will also call for submissions and the codeshare, no doubt, will have been drafted in as careful a way as possible to pass muster. But it'll be interesting nonetheless.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:59 am

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Morning All, 1st post for 2019 & 1st post in a really long time to say the least.
Last nights QF9 PER-LHR night stopped and been rescheduled to depart this morning 11:15 PER time. Direct result of the delay QF9 MEL-PER & QF10 PER-MEL on the 25th January has been downgauged to a B737.
It’s worth mentioning VHOJS will operate it’s last international service 19th of February.

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Welcome back

From news reports the flight ended up being rescheduled due to no flight plan being issued

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... 50tcq.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:24 am

https://twitter.com/brisbaneairport/sta ... 71458?s=21

BNE’s new runway really coming along now. Can’t wait for it to open and hopefully it will attract many new airlines!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:45 am

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EK413 wrote:
Morning All, 1st post for 2019 & 1st post in a really long time to say the least.
Last nights QF9 PER-LHR night stopped and been rescheduled to depart this morning 11:15 PER time. Direct result of the delay QF9 MEL-PER & QF10 PER-MEL on the 25th January has been downgauged to a B737.
It’s worth mentioning VHOJS will operate it’s last international service 19th of February.

EK413


Welcome back

From news reports the flight ended up being rescheduled due to no flight plan being issued

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... 50tcq.html


Thanks, good to be back

Hopefully the flight plan issue has been resolved. Nothing worse than sitting on a fight to no where.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:55 am

EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Morning All, 1st post for 2019 & 1st post in a really long time to say the least.
Last nights QF9 PER-LHR night stopped and been rescheduled to depart this morning 11:15 PER time. Direct result of the delay QF9 MEL-PER & QF10 PER-MEL on the 25th January has been downgauged to a B737.
It’s worth mentioning VHOJS will operate it’s last international service 19th of February.

EK413


Welcome back

From news reports the flight ended up being rescheduled due to no flight plan being issued

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... 50tcq.html


Thanks, good to be back

Hopefully the flight plan issue has been resolved. Nothing worse than sitting on a fight to no where.

EK413


Also tonight's QF9 is running about 5 hours late, and tomorrow's will be 5 hours late as well due to the delays incurred last night
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:58 am

2 F100's are currently stuck in GET after pavement works to the runway didn't set properly, sounds like both VA and QF have a plane each stuck there atm, VA has sent engineers from PER to inspect the damage

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... spartanntp
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:49 pm

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Also tonight's QF9 is running about 5 hours late, and tomorrow's will be 5 hours late as well due to the delays incurred last night

Tonight ZND seems to be out of service (planned or otherwise). Arrived in Melbourne from LAX this morning but could not operate QF9 so the flight was delayed until ZNE could be turned around after arriving from Perth. The result is QF49/50 to/from SFO has been cancelled.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:18 pm

qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:

Welcome back

From news reports the flight ended up being rescheduled due to no flight plan being issued

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... 50tcq.html


Thanks, good to be back

Hopefully the flight plan issue has been resolved. Nothing worse than sitting on a fight to no where.

EK413


Also tonight's QF9 is running about 5 hours late, and tomorrow's will be 5 hours late as well due to the delays incurred last night


Understanding Wednesday’s night stop was a flight issue but I must say the 789’s haven’t been efficient lately with tonight’s QF49/50 cancelled & earlier in the week QF55/56 cancelled too.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:24 pm

Whats the deal with the PER-HBA frequency?
Announced as 3 weekly, was expanded over summer, but I see its still 4 weekly, seems back to 5 weekly first week of feb, 4 weekly for the second week and 3 weekly thereafter. Are VA just playing it by ear and adding frequencies a few weeks in advance if the bookings are strong?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:28 pm

Dan23 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Also tonight's QF9 is running about 5 hours late, and tomorrow's will be 5 hours late as well due to the delays incurred last night

Tonight ZND seems to be out of service (planned or otherwise). Arrived in Melbourne from LAX this morning but could not operate QF9 so the flight was delayed until ZNE could be turned around after arriving from Perth. The result is QF49/50 to/from SFO has been cancelled.

After a dream run with reliability early in the piece, QF9/10 have hit a few hurdles in the past month or so. QF are working the 787 fleet quite hard so there isn't a lot of room for unscheduled outages. The current strategy appears to be overcoming delays by cancelling the domestic QF9/10 787 services and turning QF10 around in PER and sending the 787 in MEL back to LAX/SFO.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:30 pm

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https://twitter.com/brisbaneairport/status/1087523752999571458?s=21

BNE’s new runway really coming along now. Can’t wait for it to open and hopefully it will attract many new airlines!

Insufficient runway or gate capacity will stop airlines flying to a city; the inverse isn't necessarily true.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:44 pm

tullamarine wrote:
Dan23 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Also tonight's QF9 is running about 5 hours late, and tomorrow's will be 5 hours late as well due to the delays incurred last night

Tonight ZND seems to be out of service (planned or otherwise). Arrived in Melbourne from LAX this morning but could not operate QF9 so the flight was delayed until ZNE could be turned around after arriving from Perth. The result is QF49/50 to/from SFO has been cancelled.

After a dream run with reliability early in the piece, QF9/10 have hit a few hurdles in the past month or so. QF are working the 787 fleet quite hard so there isn't a lot of room for unscheduled outages. The current strategy appears to be overcoming delays by cancelling the domestic QF9/10 787 services and turning QF10 around in PER and sending the 787 in MEL back to LAX/SFO.



Maybe the 787s need a few days vacation? ;-)

Guys in Perth have said it’s been a dream until now. Stops for a refuel and off it goes.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:47 am

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-boosts- ... ource=hero

Qantas upgrading SYD-DPS to A330 from end of March. Not surprising really. Hoping the 737 can be used to launch a BNE-DPS flight.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:41 am

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https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-boosts-sydney-bali-to-an-airbus-a330-with-lie-flat-seats?utm_source=hero

Qantas upgrading SYD-DPS to A330 from end of March. Not surprising really. Hoping the 737 can be used to launch a BNE-DPS flight.


Interesting to see them branch out with the 738, BNE-DPS, MEL-NAN would be interesting additions. PER-CGK?

Does make me wonder if QF couldn’t do with a couple more cheap second hand 330s for a bit more incremental Asian expansion.

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