New Zealand Aviation Thread - January 2019

777ER · Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:18 pm

PA515 wrote:
777ER wrote:
Could this be a domestic aircraft now?

I don't think so. There would be no need for a repaint. Perhaps some work is being done in AKL before it departs to the new operator.

ZK-OJC (msn 2112) is listed on MyAirTrade available 01 Jul 2019.

https://www.myairtrade.com/available/A320 -- says it's a 2001 aircraft, but it's a 2003.

PA515

Guess the answer will come very soon!

777ER · Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:02 am

Rumour is -OKG is returning all white later tonight. Haven't seen any photos to confirm yet

AviatorNZ · Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:34 am

777ER wrote:
Rumour is -OKG is returning all white later tonight. Haven't seen any photos to confirm yet

Do you mean OJG?

777ER · Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:11 am

AviatorNZ wrote:
777ER wrote:
Rumour is -OKG is returning all white later tonight. Haven't seen any photos to confirm yet

Do you mean OJG?

Yes lol. Thanks.

Btw, welcome to a.net!

torin · Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:33 pm

As of 1APR PR schedule changes to night time arrival, this is a permanent change

31MAR 1...5.. MNL AKL 0655 2155 PR 218 333*C
31MAR ...4... MNL AKL 0720 2220 PR 218 333*C
30MAR ..34..7 MNL AKL 2315# 1405 PR 218 333*C

Last 2pm Arrival is 28MAR.

31MAR .2..56. AKL MNL 0030 0625 PR 219 333*C
30MAR .2..56. AKL MNL 0045 0600 PR 219 333*C

Cheers,

Gasman · Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:17 am

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/new ... d=12190884

Is there like a button someone can press down at NZ headquarters which directly alerts the New Zealand Herald to run another sensationalist piece of crap about how dastardly evil JQ/AA/QF are?

Qantas737 · Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:41 am

777ER wrote:
AviatorNZ wrote:
777ER wrote:
Rumour is -OKG is returning all white later tonight. Haven't seen any photos to confirm yet

Do you mean OJG?

Yes lol. Thanks.

Btw, welcome to a.net!

Can confirm I witnessed it at the terminal in TSV yesterday afternoon all white preparing to return to AKL as NZ6002

aerorobnz · Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:52 am

PR schedule change is interesting, It is early in the morning which will mean an early start for those in the Philippines, so it is obviously for a transfer market and also possibly AKL slots.

tirelessly to keep this gentleman alive.

"He's in a very serious way," Ross said.

Communication from staff on the plane was "piss poor", creating a very stressful environment for passengers.

Read that again, yes they stated they were working tirelessly and a person's life was on the line but at the same time they complained about communication. Suck it up, Communication comes a distant last in priority. NB once the scenario had stabilised (if it did at all of course) they should have been in a position to update but really they must continue resuscitation/assistance until they divert. The Herald is a tabloid newspaper at best, however, that is the level of news journalism from everyone these days.

PA515 · Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:57 am

Gasman wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12190884

Is there like a button someone can press down at NZ headquarters which directly alerts the New Zealand Herald to run another sensationalist piece of crap about how dastardly evil JQ/AA/QF are?

Can't you read Gasman? Auckland man Paul Ross contacted the Herald from the premium cabin on board the aircraft. That would make him one of your JQ/AA/QF fellow travellers.

PA515

NZ6 · Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:48 am

Gasman wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12190884

Is there like a button someone can press down at NZ headquarters which directly alerts the New Zealand Herald to run another sensationalist piece of crap about how dastardly evil JQ/AA/QF are?

It's the Herald Gasman which is why I kept getting annoyed last year when it was used to quote so much fact on a few matters.

Medical events are very routine for airlines to manage, the major carriers use organisations like medlink to seek advice on how to manage the ill passenger including diverting, they obviously also relay and consider the onboard medical professionals' opinion of the ill passenger (the weight of this may depend on their level of training, nurse vs Dr etc),

This article is one twat's view on how 'stressful' it was, what exactly was he expecting by way of updates? Was he expecting a medical update every 15 minutes? Did they expect AA to find a medical room at 36,000 feet to treat him in private? My response to him is, do your job as a parent and explain this to your child. It's not the responsibility of AA to do this via P.A. yes it's sad, yes it's unpleasant but it's also life.

I also wonder where his priorities are.. "My 11-year-old was scared, asking if he is going to die." yet he's got time for this '"Ross, speaking to the Herald from on board the plane".

As horrific and sad as it is, I can't help but wonder how much the recent sad events on OL helped make this publishable.

ZK-NBT · Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:31 am

torin wrote:
As of 1APR PR schedule changes to night time arrival, this is a permanent change

31MAR 1...5.. MNL AKL 0655 2155 PR 218 333*C
31MAR ...4... MNL AKL 0720 2220 PR 218 333*C
30MAR ..34..7 MNL AKL 2315# 1405 PR 218 333*C

Last 2pm Arrival is 28MAR.

31MAR .2..56. AKL MNL 0030 0625 PR 219 333*C
30MAR .2..56. AKL MNL 0045 0600 PR 219 333*C

Cheers,

Interesting, they do a daylight flight to SYD and MEL? Timed to connect to LHR? Possibly a utilisation thing to rather than park at AKL for 9-10 hrs?

CI say AKL is hard from a utilisation perspective for a non stop to, I’d have thought an early evening departure from Asia, into AKL mid morning and out again.

TPE 1800 AKL 0900
AKL 1030 TPE 1645

Similar for PR, obviously needs to have connections at their hub. Arriving AKL 2200 has no onward connections.

Gasman · Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:45 am

PA515 wrote:
Gasman wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12190884

Is there like a button someone can press down at NZ headquarters which directly alerts the New Zealand Herald to run another sensationalist piece of crap about how dastardly evil JQ/AA/QF are?

Can't you read Gasman? Auckland man Paul Ross contacted the Herald from the premium cabin on board the aircraft. That would make him one of your JQ/AA/QF fellow travellers.

PA515

Yes, I can read PA515 - I was suggesting that this piece was such a typical Herald "anti-anything-but-NZ" piece, that I was starting to wonder if there was a process for generating them automatically.

I think most other people here got it. Just saying.

NZ6 wrote:
It's the Herald Gasman which is why I kept getting annoyed last year when it was used to quote so much fact on a few matters.

Medical events are very routine for airlines to manage, the major carriers use organisations like medlink to seek advice on how to manage the ill passenger including diverting, they obviously also relay and consider the onboard medical professionals' opinion of the ill passenger (the weight of this may depend on their level of training, nurse vs Dr etc),

This article is one twat's view on how 'stressful' it was, what exactly was he expecting by way of updates? Was he expecting a medical update every 15 minutes? Did they expect AA to find a medical room at 36,000 feet to treat him in private? My response to him is, do your job as a parent and explain this to your child. It's not the responsibility of AA to do this via P.A. yes it's sad, yes it's unpleasant but it's also life.

I also wonder where his priorities are.. "My 11-year-old was scared, asking if he is going to die." yet he's got time for this '"Ross, speaking to the Herald from on board the plane".

As horrific and sad as it is, I can't help but wonder how much the recent sad events on OL helped make this publishable.

Completely agree. And the Herald painted this self-centred guy as the victim because he wasn't kept appraised of the unfolding drama involving a life threatening event to a fellow passenger. Does the newspaper assume we'll read between the lines and all see this guy for the twat that he is? Maybe. But in that case, why publish the article in the first place?

I once saved a life on an AKL-MEL flight. Had the aircraft turned around to AKL. Met the ambulance at AKL. Then decided my trip was screwed (it was a for a one-day meeting), so didn't get back on the aircraft. The coup de grace? The airline didn't refund my ticket, because I'd decided not travel "voluntarily". Two airline staff members absolutely stuck to their guns. Took an email to the CEO to sort it out.

NZ6 · Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:38 am

Gasman wrote:
Completely agree. And the Herald painted this self-centred guy as the victim because he wasn't kept appraised of the unfolding drama involving a life threatening event to a fellow passenger. Does the newspaper assume we'll read between the lines and all see this guy for the twat that he is? Maybe. But in that case, why publish the article in the first place?

I once saved a life on an AKL-MEL flight. Had the aircraft turned around to AKL. Met the ambulance at AKL. Then decided my trip was screwed (it was a for a one-day meeting), so didn't get back on the aircraft. The coup de grace? The airline didn't refund my ticket, because I'd decided not travel "voluntarily". Two airline staff members absolutely stuck to their guns. Took an email to the CEO to sort it out.

So we agree, this is poor journalism from the media who were alerted by a self-centered passenger that had contacted them over a horrific and stressful situation. Nothing really to do with NZ at all and was just another reason to bring up your bitter tainted lens on the airline.

Gasman · Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:33 am

nz6 wrote:
Nothing really to do with NZ at all and was just another reason to bring up your bitter tainted lens on the airline.

Nice.

Why do people like you and PA515 seem to care so much what I think? As it happens, I don't consider I have a "bitter tainted lens towards NZ" - .but I wouldn't give a flying monkey's if I did. I personally believe yourself and many others here are wearing rose coloured spectacles as far as NZ is concerned. People can make up their own minds.

As far as the article is concerned - of course it has nothing to do with NZ (directly) but it highlights again the Herald's pro NZ and anti everything else bias. This article almost demonstrates that when there isn't a "real" anti AA/JQ/QF story to write, the paper invents one. The angle as written is that AA communicated badly. You'll never see a similar rubbish piece written about NZ; and nor should you. It's tabloid crap journalism at best. A tabloid crap attempt at marketing on behalf of NZ at its worst.

NZ6 · Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:35 am

Gasman wrote:
nz6 wrote:
Nothing really to do with NZ at all and was just another reason to bring up your bitter tainted lens on the airline.

Nice.

Why do people like you and PA515 seem to care so much what I think? As it happens, I don't consider I have a "bitter tainted lens towards NZ" - .but I wouldn't give a flying monkey's if I did. I personally believe yourself and many others here are wearing rose coloured spectacles as far as NZ is concerned. People can make up their own minds.

As far as the article is concerned - of course it has nothing to do with NZ (directly) but it highlights again the Herald's pro NZ and anti everything else bias. This article almost demonstrates that when there isn't a "real" anti AA/JQ/QF story to write, the paper invents one. The angle as written is that AA communicated badly. You'll never see a similar rubbish piece written about NZ; and nor should you. It's tabloid crap journalism at best. A tabloid crap attempt at marketing on behalf of NZ at its worst.

Well, the article had nothing to do with NZ yet you made it about them for some reason. They really had no reason to be in the same discussion and you've expressed your dislike of them plenty of times previously. so this comes across as such.

zkanz · Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:39 am

Gasman wrote:
As far as the article is concerned - of course it has nothing to do with NZ (directly) but it highlights again the Herald's pro NZ and anti everything else bias. This article almost demonstrates that when there isn't a "real" anti AA/JQ/QF story to write, the paper invents one. The angle as written is that AA communicated badly. You'll never see a similar rubbish piece written about NZ; and nor should you. It's tabloid crap journalism at best. A tabloid crap attempt at marketing on behalf of NZ at its worst.

Simple solution: DON'T READ IT. NZHerald writes to get readers, not for the sake of quality journalism.

I don't have anything against you Gasman, or anyone else here, but at some point you have to realise that there are some things in which people aren't going to change their opinion, which makes arguing absolutely pointless. I do often agree with your points (and those of the people you say only see the good in Air New Zealand) and I like seeing a good argument with valid points on both sides, but I feel like a few of the threads from 2018 devolved into pointless arguments which barely added anything to the discussion.

NZ6 · Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:03 am

On another note, did anyone see the four different Air Chatham's livery designs for the ATR?

I would upload a photo but not sure how

Qantas16 · Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:15 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
torin wrote:
As of 1APR PR schedule changes to night time arrival, this is a permanent change

31MAR 1...5.. MNL AKL 0655 2155 PR 218 333*C
31MAR ...4... MNL AKL 0720 2220 PR 218 333*C
30MAR ..34..7 MNL AKL 2315# 1405 PR 218 333*C

Last 2pm Arrival is 28MAR.

31MAR .2..56. AKL MNL 0030 0625 PR 219 333*C
30MAR .2..56. AKL MNL 0045 0600 PR 219 333*C

Cheers,

Interesting, they do a daylight flight to SYD and MEL? Timed to connect to LHR? Possibly a utilisation thing to rather than park at AKL for 9-10 hrs?

Similar for PR, obviously needs to have connections at their hub. Arriving AKL 2200 has no onward connections.

Realistically, PR is unlikely to have many connections ex-AKL anyway. The limited pax from WLG/CHC that were previously going via AKL can just as easily route via SYD/MEL/BNE so no loss.

aerorobnz wrote:
PR schedule change is interesting, It is early in the morning which will mean an early start for those in the Philippines, so it is obviously for a transfer market and also possibly AKL slots.

It actually makes transfers a whole lot worse for PR ex-MNL... LHR doesn't arrive until ~7pm so they'll now have a 12hr wait to connect. Any international flights that do arrive early (HND, SFO, LAX) are after 6am so won't be able to connect to a 0655 departure to AKL... I can see one flight from CEB and one from DVO that you could connect from to AKL but that's about it. I guess that shows they are quite happy filling the plane with MNL traffic and that market is strong enough for them.

777ER · Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:52 am

NZ6 wrote:
On another note, did anyone see the four different Air Chatham's livery designs for the ATR?

I would upload a photo but not sure how

If its the same four designs on facebook then isn't those designs just a 'dream' livery and not Air Chathams official designs?

NZ6 · Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:18 am

777ER wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
On another note, did anyone see the four different Air Chatham's livery designs for the ATR?

I would upload a photo but not sure how

If its the same four designs on facebook then isn't those designs just a 'dream' livery and not Air Chathams official designs?

Probably, it was sent to me via text so not sure where it came from.

Not sure if it’s genuine or av geek ideas.

777ER · Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:36 pm

NZ6 wrote:
777ER wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
On another note, did anyone see the four different Air Chatham's livery designs for the ATR?

I would upload a photo but not sure how

If its the same four designs on facebook then isn't those designs just a 'dream' livery and not Air Chathams official designs?

Probably, it was sent to me via text so not sure where it came from.

Not sure if it’s genuine or av geek ideas.

The person who originally posted it on the NZ Aviation facebook has no ties to Air Chathams from what I can gather, so clearly just a 'dream' livery designs

NZ6 · Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:33 pm

777ER wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
777ER wrote:
If its the same four designs on facebook then isn't those designs just a 'dream' livery and not Air Chathams official designs?

Probably, it was sent to me via text so not sure where it came from.

Not sure if it’s genuine or av geek ideas.

The person who originally posted it on the NZ Aviation facebook has no ties to Air Chathams from what I can gather, so clearly just a 'dream' livery designs

Oh right, I wondered by they were all very much your 'typical' airline livery and nothing too new or groundbreaking, the horizontal line down the side of a fuselage is an 80's 90's trademark of aviation, isn't it? Outside of NZ's black equipment, I think the same about their livery for what it's worth.

Where and what are they using it for the ATR for?

Whoopeecock · Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:58 am

Where and what are they using it for the ATR for?[/quote]

http://www.tauck.co.nz/tours/australia- ... -2019.aspx

Replacing Alliances Fokker.

Birdiey · Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:03 pm

In other news Samoa Airways has announced it will be taking delivery of a Boeing 737 MAX 9 in late March. It will replace the existing leased Boeing 737-800 I-NEOS and is of course itself leased from Air Lease Corporation, not ordered directly from Boeing. Should be a daily visitor to Auckland, and New Zealand's first MAX 9.

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/samoa-air ... rporation/

VirginFlyer · Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:47 pm

777ER wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
777ER wrote:
If its the same four designs on facebook then isn't those designs just a 'dream' livery and not Air Chathams official designs?

Probably, it was sent to me via text so not sure where it came from.

Not sure if it’s genuine or av geek ideas.

The person who originally posted it on the NZ Aviation facebook has no ties to Air Chathams from what I can gather, so clearly just a 'dream' livery designs

Indeed. I would anticipate that when time allows it will get a full logo as opposed to the outline one it currently has, so it will be like the Saabs.

V/F

NZ6 · Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:58 pm

Whoopeecock wrote:
Where and what are they using it for the ATR for?

http://www.tauck.co.nz/tours/australia- ... -2019.aspx

Replacing Alliances Fokker.[/quote]

Cheers, ZQN-AKL in an ATR eak!

Surprised they haven't squeezed in a day in ROT there.

NZ6 · Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:06 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
777ER wrote:
NZ6 wrote:

Probably, it was sent to me via text so not sure where it came from.

Not sure if it’s genuine or av geek ideas.

The person who originally posted it on the NZ Aviation facebook has no ties to Air Chathams from what I can gather, so clearly just a 'dream' livery designs

Indeed. I would anticipate that when time allows it will get a full logo as opposed to the outline one it currently has, so it will be like the Saabs.

V/F

Is this operating the air component on a fixed term contract or how does this work and are CV doing any of their own regular services with it? I said last year ATR might be good for AKL-CHT adding a ex NZ -500 could be possible. Looks like a good time to trial these routes with it.

Also, what do we make of the livery... personally I don't mind it, very faint light green or grey map of the chat's over the fuselage (aka watermark) would cut up some of the white nicely

For some reason, I've been missing the old NZ livery recently. I'm not sure how long 'black' will last.

ZK-NBT · Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:28 am

NZ6 wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
777ER wrote:
The person who originally posted it on the NZ Aviation facebook has no ties to Air Chathams from what I can gather, so clearly just a 'dream' livery designs

Indeed. I would anticipate that when time allows it will get a full logo as opposed to the outline one it currently has, so it will be like the Saabs.

V/F

Is this operating the air component on a fixed term contract or how does this work and are CV doing any of their own regular services with it? I said last year ATR might be good for AKL-CHT adding a ex NZ -500 could be possible. Looks like a good time to trial these routes with it.

Also, what do we make of the livery... personally I don't mind it, very faint light green or grey map of the chat's over the fuselage (aka watermark) would cut up some of the white nicely

For some reason, I've been missing the old NZ livery recently. I'm not sure how long 'black' will last.

Is Your last comment a personal opinion that your not sure how long the black will last or is it a hint that it probably won’t last?

Nice livery that on the 767 there, how about something similar to the current logo but a silver fern that is green or silver with a teal tail?

It is a bit quiet here atm but I guess that’s to be expected in January, exciting year coming up.

I have noticed NZ seem to have had quite a few delays lately, particularly international, several short hauls waited for the Delayed ORD arrival the other day which then caused further delays with the evening departures to the US. One of those things I guess when the fleet is so busy.

planemanofnz · Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:45 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
... is it a hint that it probably won’t last?

There are still quite a few planes in the fleet which NZ hasn't even re-painted from the old teal to the new black livery yet, despite the livery already being ~6 years old (IIRC, launched in 2013). The livery is still relatively new as far as liveries go in a global context, so I can't imagine they would be thinking about a new concept in the near future. Perhaps ~2030?

For myself personally, the livery has grown on me. I like the style and size of the font, I like the koru, and I particularly like how the fern doesn't make it too much of a eurowhite livery. That being said, I think the black is a bit dull, and New Zealand is so much more than black (e.g. natural environments are blue and green, Maori culture has elements of red, etc).

Cheers,

C.

NZ6 · Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:54 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
Indeed. I would anticipate that when time allows it will get a full logo as opposed to the outline one it currently has, so it will be like the Saabs.

V/F

Is this operating the air component on a fixed term contract or how does this work and are CV doing any of their own regular services with it? I said last year ATR might be good for AKL-CHT adding a ex NZ -500 could be possible. Looks like a good time to trial these routes with it.

Also, what do we make of the livery... personally I don't mind it, very faint light green or grey map of the chat's over the fuselage (aka watermark) would cut up some of the white nicely

For some reason, I've been missing the old NZ livery recently. I'm not sure how long 'black' will last.

Is Your last comment a personal opinion that your not sure how long the black will last or is it a hint that it probably won’t last?

Nice livery that on the 767 there, how about something similar to the current logo but a silver fern that is green or silver with a teal tail?

It is a bit quiet here atm but I guess that’s to be expected in January, exciting year coming up.

I have noticed NZ seem to have had quite a few delays lately, particularly international, several short hauls waited for the Delayed ORD arrival the other day which then caused further delays with the evening departures to the US. One of those things I guess when the fleet is so busy.

planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
... is it a hint that it probably won’t last?

There are still quite a few planes in the fleet which NZ hasn't even re-painted from the old teal to the new black livery yet, despite the livery already being ~6 years old (IIRC, launched in 2013). The livery is still relatively new as far as liveries go in a global context, so I can't imagine they would be thinking about a new concept in the near future. Perhaps ~2030?

For myself personally, the livery has grown on me. I like the style and size of the font, I like the koru, and I particularly like how the fern doesn't make it too much of a eurowhite livery. That being said, I think the black is a bit dull, and New Zealand is so much more than black (e.g. natural environments are blue and green, Maori culture has elements of red, etc).

Cheers,

C.

100% personal opinion, I think the design is nice. It's just the use of black is fading on me. I've listed the last 4 livery's in order using the 767 and then 787 for the black theme as the 767 never got it.

I still really admire the first one, it would be horribly dated if this was still around though. Maybe it brings up sentimental memories from when I was younger. Who knows.

I can't see a change anytime soon, it's still new, modern and stylish. Black is the disputed national colour of NZ (We can thank the All Backs for that but it's adopted by almost all groups representing NZ now sporting or not). This scares me into thinking black may be around for a while.... although QF's red isn't really a colour of Australia.

Whatever happens, when it does, the Koru must remain. That is the icon of NZ. Like planemanofnz said, bring in the colours of our natural beauty, imagine a canvas incorporating the Koru and Name and then each aircraft had different colourings bringing in our natural landscapes, blue ocean, green of Waikato or central Otago, southern Alpes, various lakes, Hobbiton etc even if this was done subtly

777ER · Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:02 am

Two Alliance F70s were at WLG last night with the second arriving early evening. The second arrived with spare parts for the other F70s after issues with flaps and to take over the last of the tours

Gasman · Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:53 pm

NZ6 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ6 wrote:

Is this operating the air component on a fixed term contract or how does this work and are CV doing any of their own regular services with it? I said last year ATR might be good for AKL-CHT adding a ex NZ -500 could be possible. Looks like a good time to trial these routes with it.

Also, what do we make of the livery... personally I don't mind it, very faint light green or grey map of the chat's over the fuselage (aka watermark) would cut up some of the white nicely

For some reason, I've been missing the old NZ livery recently. I'm not sure how long 'black' will last.

Is Your last comment a personal opinion that your not sure how long the black will last or is it a hint that it probably won’t last?

Nice livery that on the 767 there, how about something similar to the current logo but a silver fern that is green or silver with a teal tail?

It is a bit quiet here atm but I guess that’s to be expected in January, exciting year coming up.

I have noticed NZ seem to have had quite a few delays lately, particularly international, several short hauls waited for the Delayed ORD arrival the other day which then caused further delays with the evening departures to the US. One of those things I guess when the fleet is so busy.

planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
... is it a hint that it probably won’t last?

There are still quite a few planes in the fleet which NZ hasn't even re-painted from the old teal to the new black livery yet, despite the livery already being ~6 years old (IIRC, launched in 2013). The livery is still relatively new as far as liveries go in a global context, so I can't imagine they would be thinking about a new concept in the near future. Perhaps ~2030?

For myself personally, the livery has grown on me. I like the style and size of the font, I like the koru, and I particularly like how the fern doesn't make it too much of a eurowhite livery. That being said, I think the black is a bit dull, and New Zealand is so much more than black (e.g. natural environments are blue and green, Maori culture has elements of red, etc).

Cheers,

C.

100% personal opinion, I think the design is nice. It's just the use of black is fading on me. I've listed the last 4 livery's in order using the 767 and then 787 for the black theme as the 767 never got it.

I still really admire the first one, it would be horribly dated if this was still around though. Maybe it brings up sentimental memories from when I was younger. Who knows.

I can't see a change anytime soon, it's still new, modern and stylish. Black is the disputed national colour of NZ (We can thank the All Backs for that but it's adopted by almost all groups representing NZ now sporting or not). This scares me into thinking black may be around for a while.... although QF's red isn't really a colour of Australia.

Whatever happens, when it does, the Koru must remain. That is the icon of NZ. Like planemanofnz said, bring in the colours of our natural beauty, imagine a canvas incorporating the Koru and Name and then each aircraft had different colourings bringing in our natural landscapes, blue ocean, green of Waikato or central Otago, southern Alpes, various lakes, Hobbiton etc even if this was done subtly

I *love* discussing NZ's liveries.

Don't like the current one. I hate it less than I did when it was first introduced; but the Koru/Fern juxtaposition is cluttered, confusing and just doesn't work. Ricco bin for me.

The Pacific Wave I thought was sublime; but yes it left a bit much white real estate on the 77W. Still. I would've thought they could've tweaked it somehow & kept the basic theme.

Which brings me on to the 1970's livery. It looked a bit daft on the DC-8, but gorgeous on the DC-10 and 762 ....and totally adequate on everything else. Surely this, more than any other, is NZ's "legacy" livery?

And there is value in a legacy livery. QF recognise this. Their basic livery - which I actually don't like - hasn't changed for 30 years and saw less evolution prior to that than we've seen with NZ in the last 10. It has a timelessness about it which transcends mere aesthetics.

It's too late now for that 70's livery. But I really hope NZ's next design is a bit less "faddish" and has the staying power of decades.

NYKiwi · Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:04 am

Like others the livery has grown on me....now more and more carriers are copying it....I do like.Air Canada and there use of red.

I thought we would be due for new uniforms.more so than new livery....any update on thy that or will they wait till they announce the A350 order (just joking...its gone quiet on those discussions)

DavidByrne · Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:49 am

Still waiting to see the 1960s livery on an A321 - closest thing to a two-engined DC8 you could imagine!

Gasman · Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:52 am

DavidByrne wrote:
Still waiting to see the 1960s livery on an A321 - closest thing to a two-engined DC8 you could imagine!

Birdiey · Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:56 am

DavidByrne wrote:
Still waiting to see the 1960s livery on an A321 - closest thing to a two-engined DC8 you could imagine!

Won't happen. You saw how upset the Erebus crowd got when Air New Zealand even filmed an unrelated safety video in Antarctica.

DavidByrne · Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:01 am

Birdiey wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
Still waiting to see the 1960s livery on an A321 - closest thing to a two-engined DC8 you could imagine!

Won't happen. You saw how upset the Erebus crowd got when Air New Zealand even filmed an unrelated safety video in Antarctica.

Sorry, don't understand how this relates to Erebus - that was a DC10 more than a decade after the livery in question.

Gasman · Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:53 am

DavidByrne wrote:
Birdiey wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
Still waiting to see the 1960s livery on an A321 - closest thing to a two-engined DC8 you could imagine!

Won't happen. You saw how upset the Erebus crowd got when Air New Zealand even filmed an unrelated safety video in Antarctica.

Sorry, don't understand how this relates to Erebus - that was a DC10 more than a decade after the livery in question.

It doesn't. Clearly Birdiey has gone off on a tangent with either liveries, decades or aircraft.

The livery on the Erebus aircraft persisted for twenty years after the event, so isn't really symbolic of that tragedy.

NZ6 · Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:11 am

Gasman wrote:

I *love* discussing NZ's liveries.

Don't like the current one. I hate it less than I did when it was first introduced; but the Koru/Fern juxtaposition is cluttered, confusing and just doesn't work. Ricco bin for me.

The Pacific Wave I thought was sublime; but yes it left a bit much white real estate on the 77W. Still. I would've thought they could've tweaked it somehow & kept the basic theme.

Which brings me on to the 1970's livery. It looked a bit daft on the DC-8, but gorgeous on the DC-10 and 762 ....and totally adequate on everything else. Surely this, more than any other, is NZ's "legacy" livery?

And there is value in a legacy livery. QF recognise this. Their basic livery - which I actually don't like - hasn't changed for 30 years and saw less evolution prior to that than we've seen with NZ in the last 10. It has a timelessness about it which transcends mere aesthetics.

It's too late now for that 70's livery. But I really hope NZ's next design is a bit less "faddish" and has the staying power of decades.

Maybe off topic, but I always argue with people over the 70's v 80's livery and that it's different. Many I've spoken with think it stayed the same for a very long time where in fact it's actually very different

Which do you prefer, I'm a massive fan of the early 80's and 90's but love the black nose of the 70's.

Vs

Gasman · Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:25 am

I take your point, but to me they're all the same livery with minor evolutionary teeaks.

Nothing will ever trump the DC10 as NZ's best looking aircraft in my view. Followed very closely by the 1960's Southern Cross DC8

jimmyah · Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:30 am

Hmmm, I much prefer the latest livery over the previous ones.

TaniTaniwha · Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:31 am

NZ6 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ6 wrote:

Is this operating the air component on a fixed term contract or how does this work and are CV doing any of their own regular services with it? I said last year ATR might be good for AKL-CHT adding a ex NZ -500 could be possible. Looks like a good time to trial these routes with it.

Also, what do we make of the livery... personally I don't mind it, very faint light green or grey map of the chat's over the fuselage (aka watermark) would cut up some of the white nicely

For some reason, I've been missing the old NZ livery recently. I'm not sure how long 'black' will last.

Is Your last comment a personal opinion that your not sure how long the black will last or is it a hint that it probably won’t last?

Nice livery that on the 767 there, how about something similar to the current logo but a silver fern that is green or silver with a teal tail?

It is a bit quiet here atm but I guess that’s to be expected in January, exciting year coming up.

I have noticed NZ seem to have had quite a few delays lately, particularly international, several short hauls waited for the Delayed ORD arrival the other day which then caused further delays with the evening departures to the US. One of those things I guess when the fleet is so busy.

planemanofnz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
... is it a hint that it probably won’t last?

There are still quite a few planes in the fleet which NZ hasn't even re-painted from the old teal to the new black livery yet, despite the livery already being ~6 years old (IIRC, launched in 2013). The livery is still relatively new as far as liveries go in a global context, so I can't imagine they would be thinking about a new concept in the near future. Perhaps ~2030?

For myself personally, the livery has grown on me. I like the style and size of the font, I like the koru, and I particularly like how the fern doesn't make it too much of a eurowhite livery. That being said, I think the black is a bit dull, and New Zealand is so much more than black (e.g. natural environments are blue and green, Maori culture has elements of red, etc).

Cheers,

C.

100% personal opinion, I think the design is nice. It's just the use of black is fading on me. I've listed the last 4 livery's in order using the 767 and then 787 for the black theme as the 767 never got it.

I still really admire the first one, it would be horribly dated if this was still around though. Maybe it brings up sentimental memories from when I was younger. Who knows.

I can't see a change anytime soon, it's still new, modern and stylish. Black is the disputed national colour of NZ (We can thank the All Backs for that but it's adopted by almost all groups representing NZ now sporting or not). This scares me into thinking black may be around for a while.... although QF's red isn't really a colour of Australia.

Whatever happens, when it does, the Koru must remain. That is the icon of NZ. Like planemanofnz said, bring in the colours of our natural beauty, imagine a canvas incorporating the Koru and Name and then each aircraft had different colourings bringing in our natural landscapes, blue ocean, green of Waikato or central Otago, southern Alpes, various lakes, Hobbiton etc even if this was done subtly

I like what people from other countries say about it (the current livery) and how they like it. Sometimes I feel we are too close to it and try to analyse it too intensely. Whereas other just look at and say, "wow, that's cool!"

jimmyah · Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:36 am

jimmyah wrote:
Hmmm, I much prefer the latest livery over the previous ones.

Though doing some quick research, I would love to see the TEAL/Air NZ livery on a A321.

eta unknown · Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:14 am

Gasman wrote:
I take your point, but to me they're all the same livery with minor evolutionary teeaks.

Nothing will ever trump the DC10 as NZ's best looking aircraft in my view. Followed very closely by the 1960's Southern Cross DC8

I'd go further and say an unfortunate tweak, but nothing more than a tweak. Plus I always thought the revision never looked quite right on the 747.

Gasman · Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:22 am

eta unknown wrote:
Gasman wrote:
I take your point, but to me they're all the same livery with minor evolutionary teeaks.

Nothing will ever trump the DC10 as NZ's best looking aircraft in my view. Followed very closely by the 1960's Southern Cross DC8

I'd go further and say an unfortunate tweak, but nothing more than a tweak. Plus I always thought the revision never looked quite right on the 747.

Agreed - but it wasn't exactly a clanger on the 747, and I felt it looked fine on the 744 - not so much the 742. Actually the thing that irritated me most about the 742 was the RB211 engines - not just for the fact NZ was politically coerced into buying them whereas they would've had GE; but also for the fact with the bare aluminium they looked really ugly.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-New- ... D6IyPjo%3D

eta unknown · Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:15 am

Follow up question on the blah 747-200... was ZK-NZZ the only 747 to be repainted with a grey underside instead of retaining the bare metal?

Megatop747-412 · Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:26 am

NZ6 wrote:
Gasman wrote:

I *love* discussing NZ's liveries.

Don't like the current one. I hate it less than I did when it was first introduced; but the Koru/Fern juxtaposition is cluttered, confusing and just doesn't work. Ricco bin for me.

The Pacific Wave I thought was sublime; but yes it left a bit much white real estate on the 77W. Still. I would've thought they could've tweaked it somehow & kept the basic theme.

Which brings me on to the 1970's livery. It looked a bit daft on the DC-8, but gorgeous on the DC-10 and 762 ....and totally adequate on everything else. Surely this, more than any other, is NZ's "legacy" livery?

And there is value in a legacy livery. QF recognise this. Their basic livery - which I actually don't like - hasn't changed for 30 years and saw less evolution prior to that than we've seen with NZ in the last 10. It has a timelessness about it which transcends mere aesthetics.

It's too late now for that 70's livery. But I really hope NZ's next design is a bit less "faddish" and has the staying power of decades.

Maybe off topic, but I always argue with people over the 70's v 80's livery and that it's different. Many I've spoken with think it stayed the same for a very long time where in fact it's actually very different

Which do you prefer, I'm a massive fan of the early 80's and 90's but love the black nose of the 70's.

Vs

A tough decision for me to decide which do I prefer, but having said that, the B762 in the 80's livery will ALWAYS hold a special place in me. NZ's (TE at the time) B762 ZK-NBA was the 1st time ever that I've travelled inside an airplane, so that was pretty special. I remember seeing it in Singapore's Changi Airport back in the day and thought that it was a stunner...

Gasman · Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:10 am

Megatop747-412 wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
Gasman wrote:

I *love* discussing NZ's liveries.

Don't like the current one. I hate it less than I did when it was first introduced; but the Koru/Fern juxtaposition is cluttered, confusing and just doesn't work. Ricco bin for me.

The Pacific Wave I thought was sublime; but yes it left a bit much white real estate on the 77W. Still. I would've thought they could've tweaked it somehow & kept the basic theme.

Which brings me on to the 1970's livery. It looked a bit daft on the DC-8, but gorgeous on the DC-10 and 762 ....and totally adequate on everything else. Surely this, more than any other, is NZ's "legacy" livery?

And there is value in a legacy livery. QF recognise this. Their basic livery - which I actually don't like - hasn't changed for 30 years and saw less evolution prior to that than we've seen with NZ in the last 10. It has a timelessness about it which transcends mere aesthetics.

It's too late now for that 70's livery. But I really hope NZ's next design is a bit less "faddish" and has the staying power of decades.

Maybe off topic, but I always argue with people over the 70's v 80's livery and that it's different. Many I've spoken with think it stayed the same for a very long time where in fact it's actually very different

Which do you prefer, I'm a massive fan of the early 80's and 90's but love the black nose of the 70's.

Vs

A tough decision for me to decide which do I prefer, but having said that, the B762 in the 80's livery will ALWAYS hold a special place in me. NZ's (TE at the time) B762 ZK-NBA was the 1st time ever that I've travelled inside an airplane, so that was pretty special. I remember seeing it in Singapore's Changi Airport back in the day and thought that it was a stunner...

The 762 in that 80's livery looked like a well tailored suit. As did the DC-8 in the 1960's Southern Cross livery.

The 762 was a great aircraft. Very clean lines, relatively quiet and technically very advanced (at the time) - it was the first aircraft for NZ to have a glass cockpit and the first widebody for NZ to have a two person crew. It was also - very significantly at the time - the first widebody for NZ that "fitted" WLG. As a Wellingtonian at the time, this was huge and we loved seeing it fly in over the harbour at the end of a trans Tasman trip. The internal ergonomics were also excellent - something we can only reminisce about today.

NZ6 · Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:04 am

It's interesting when I see a widebody offshore, I don't mind the livery as much. It certainly stands out and looks like a modern stylish design. When I see a row of A320/ATR/Q300 at AKL, WLG or even CHC it becomes overkill very quickly.

nz2 · Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:46 am

Gasman wrote:
I take your point, but to me they're all the same livery with minor evolutionary teeaks.

Nothing will ever trump the DC10 as NZ's best looking aircraft in my view. Followed very closely by the 1960's Southern Cross DC8

Yep I have to agree with you here

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