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Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:24 pm

Hahaha.^^ i think pia isnt as good as pal.pia looks older than pal;)
Based on skytrax.
Anyway,do we fully, 100 percent trust skytrax? More on this rating company...your own decision.old news! I think the worldairlineawards ranking is more accurate?whatever...delta airlines 3* is rated above pal 4* in the ranking.confused

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2018 ... dnt-trust/
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:54 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
Hahaha.^^ i think pia isnt as good as pal.pia looks older than pal;)

:laughing: What do you mean? I wasn't referring to another airline at all..... :wave: .....

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Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:01 pm

I know, haha.it was a 2 sided comment.
But i dont like pia wurtzbach.she looks old.i like catriona,a dreamgirl
 
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:37 pm

To the moderator of this forum SQ22: why is this still a clickbait on the phone?we do have now 4 pages.please update.
If i click "philippine aviation forum 2019" its still 2018 and i have to click 4x until i get in this page.
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:37 am

The 5th A350 aka "The Love Bus" has been delivered to PAL.

Source: https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/02/21 ... s-a350-900
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:54 pm

Devilfish wrote:
SleeplessInZh wrote:
Pal can take note.

PR could likewise name their 6th A359 "Pia"..... :bigthumbsup:


Would be nice if PR started naming their airplanes again. I particularly like Thai's and Aeroflot's naming traditions, where they name their planes after cities and noteworthy people respectively.
A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 AT75 AT76 B732 B733 B738 B744 B752(M) B763 B772 B77W DHC7 DH8C DH8D D328 MA60

2P 5J 6K CX DG EK GA KE MI PR VN OS QR A3 OK TG RA U4 JL GK UB K7 WE
 
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:19 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
But i dont like pia wurtzbach.she looks old.i like catriona,a dreamgirl

Well, considering PAL will themselves turn 80 pretty soon :old: I imagine they will only be too happy to have her as an endorser. :D


EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
The 5th A350 aka "The Love Bus" has been delivered to PAL.

PAL personnel express it so eloquently in this photo.....

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https://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbn ... ve-bus.jpg


Airbus retweeted PR's post on their site.....

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz2JhxdUwAAwTW5.jpg

https://twitter.com/Airbus


Philippine747 wrote:
Would be nice if PR started naming their airplanes again.

IDK...too much of a good thing may be over-hyping it. Anyway, here's PI-801, a DC-8 named 'Sampaguita'...and her sister ship with the 1974 pageant's decals.....




Catriona delights as a winsome model for this fresh take on the national flower..... :praise: .....

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Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:19 pm

Can anyone shed light on what was the extent of PAL and KLM’s collaboration back in the day? Was it solely leasing aircraft and codesharing or did it run deeper?
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:35 am

Hahaha devilfish;) ;) ;) catriona the sampaguita model :)
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:14 am

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Can anyone shed light on what was the extent of PAL and KLM’s collaboration back in the day? Was it solely leasing aircraft and codesharing or did it run deeper?

It was probably a combination of wet-leasing and airline management, as PAL did not operate the European routes on its own until Nov 1, 1976...despite flying DC-4s to FCO and MAD since May 1947. Former PAL insiders here might be able to share more accurate details. You'll find more interesting information here..... https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... dMilestone


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Hahaha devilfish;) ;) ;) catriona the sampaguita model :)

:house: That's a way uber different level than a sampaguita vendor. Anyway, here's another shot to make your day..... :cloudnine: .....

Photo by Krissy Aguilar / INQUIRER.net
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https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/files/20 ... iona-1.jpg



Evidently, precast sections are contributing much to the quick progress of construction at CRK T2 --- from SkyscraperCity..... :thumbsup: .....

source: @ctto Mike Ajero --- Note the 'X's on the closed runway and the structure at the end.
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https://scontent.fcrk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5D270795


source: @ctto Eduardo Mendoza
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photos posted by: @mrwhitepatch


:scratchchin: I wonder if their design roof loads are greater than 24" deep of wet, fine sand? :weightlifter:
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:31 pm

The runway needs an overhaul.anyway,i see a big potential here.they are so fast!
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:03 pm

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The runway needs an overhaul.anyway,i see a big potential here.they are so fast!

That old runway is supposed to be converted into a taxiway if the plan hasn't changed...although I doubt they're fast enough to finish the terminal in time for the Games' opening. :pessimist: However, I would be very happy to be proven wrong! :crossfingers: Wonder if they would extend and widen the outer runway? :scratchchin:
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:56 pm

I follow this thread from time to time, and must confess to being a bit confused by the situation at NAIA. I read about so many consortia, lots of proposals, many suggestions

Can someone please provide a list (potentially empty?) of what is actually underway and actually contracted at NAIA, rather than all the stuff subject to gossip, politics, backhanders, etc

For any items that are not yet subject to contract, are there any dates in the (near) future by which a decision and then contract are likely?

I begin to think that NAIA and LHR have much in common about commitment to infrastructure. Let;s just hope that if and when work on something starts, it is at least better executed than the new Berlin airport!

Devilfish, are you the one for this? Thanks in advance
 
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:38 pm

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Can someone please provide a list (potentially empty?) of what is actually underway and actually contracted at NAIA, rather than all the stuff subject to gossip, politics, backhanders, etc

:laughing: Unfortunately, neither the MIAA nor the "Magnificent 7" are very forthcoming with their plans. I'm afraid we all have to settle for what gets leaked in the media, be it half-truth or fairy tale. It's more fun in the Philippines :!: :biggrin:
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:05 pm

I got depressed,after the downgraded 35million pax terminal for bulacan (1st phase)...
But now im very excited about tommorrows A350 globaltravelerTV review. Lol
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:04 am

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I got depressed,after the downgraded 35million pax terminal for bulacan (1st phase)...

The one that came before that might qualify as a fairy tale..... :stretch: .....

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But as the song goes....."fairy tales can come true"..... :roll:
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 4:36 pm

That's the most beautiful rendeering.truly the fairy tale of manila.
Flightreport from globaltraveler.tv is now out,but sadly they didn't do an english version this time.they were the first to do a proper flightreport on Pals A340,2 years ago,now the absolut turnaround.they praised PAL a lot,they even put them in the league of qatar airways.
First business class report out of london.in german

https://youtu.be/fQ4uHPTnhhU
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:33 pm

SleeplessInZh wrote:
truly the fairy tale of manila.

:optimist: Who knows what could happen if these guys got involved?..... :scratchchin: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... tments-bbb



Meanwhile.....

https://business.inquirer.net/265522/pa ... ing-system


Guess that will iron out any kinks regarding cross reservations with ANA. :optimist:



And for those hunting for bargains.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... -seat-fest
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:07 am

On the topic of CRK's runways. Let's imagine that the airport management suddenly plans to build a new parallel runway. Where would they plan to build it?
 
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:19 am

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On the topic of CRK's runways. Let's imagine that the airport management suddenly plans to build a new parallel runway. Where would they plan to build it?


This might help.

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Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:18 pm

Yeetus787 wrote:
On the topic of CRK's runways. Let's imagine that the airport management suddenly plans to build a new parallel runway. Where would they plan to build it?

See post #581 of the previous year's thread..... viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382523

However, implementation won't be immediate.
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:14 pm

sassiciai wrote:
I follow this thread from time to time, and must confess to being a bit confused by the situation at NAIA. I read about so many consortia, lots of proposals, many suggestions

Can someone please provide a list (potentially empty?) of what is actually underway and actually contracted at NAIA, rather than all the stuff subject to gossip, politics, backhanders, etc


So far, renovations at T2 to accomodate 5J's domestic ops are the only confirmed thing at the moment (and is already underway).

SleeplessInZh wrote:
I got depressed,after the downgraded 35million pax terminal for bulacan (1st phase)...
But now im very excited about tommorrows A350 globaltravelerTV review. Lol


To be honest, it makes sense. The government has been adamant in not giving Bulacan any flight guarantees, and the primary purpose of this airport is to make money, being a private undertaking. Even if PR/2P (do remember that there have been rumours that SMC has been negotiating with them to move their ops to the new airport) and their codeshare/potential alliance partners in the future all start flying to Bulacan, that probably still won't be enough for them to break even if they did go through with the first plan (ie 100 mppa capacity by launch date), never mind the fact that it would take a far longer time to finish that than just building it in gradual phases.
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:52 pm

I read a post online that SEAIR (XO), not to be confused with the previous SEAIR (DG) which is know Cebgo, will start international flights next month (march 15 to be exact). There fleet of aircraft will consist of Airbus A319 which will come from Germany. If I have to speculate maybe from the recently bankrupt Germania as they have a lot of A319 in there fleet.
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:56 pm

Ridiculous how these reviewers josh&globaltaveler.tv can do a video about their A350 without even saying a single word about the smartphone pairing device!can someone tell me this: if i want to want to see a movie on netflix, can i see the film on the screen?can i work on the bigger screen,like checking emails etc.by pairing my own device with the ife?is this also possible in premium economy on the A350?has someone tried that out?thank you!
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:50 pm

Yep,just got the answer from pals fb.screen mirroring isn't possible on the A350s.
But i'd like to be informed about this!
 
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Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:54 pm

PR77W wrote:
I read a post online that SEAIR (XO), not to be confused with the previous SEAIR (DG) which is know Cebgo, will start international flights next month (march 15 to be exact). There fleet of aircraft will consist of Airbus A319 which will come from Germany. If I have to speculate maybe from the recently bankrupt Germania as they have a lot of A319 in there fleet.


My sister flew with cebgo or cebu pacific,and told me the seats were in german.haha
 
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Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:29 am

Some interesting photos from SkyscraperCity..... :camera: .....

First units of engineered timber frames for CRK T2 have arrived..... :thumbsup:

source: @ctto Mark De Luna Capinpin --- posted by: @mrwhitepatch

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https://scontent.fcrk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5CED5CBD

Local termites will have their first taste of imported, resin-impregnated wood.....'manyaman' :!: :yummy:



Is the cleared area to the right of Terminal 2 the site for MCIA's airport hotel? It would compete with the shops inside the terminal if it were to be a shopping mall.....

source: @hongyurim
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https://instagram.fceb2-2.fna.fbcdn.net ... .fbcdn.net

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Covered walk to be -- between CEB T1 & T2.....

source: @fernandezkyle
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What was a JASDF C-2 doing at CEB...delivering relief materials and equipment?.....

source: @planespotterph
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https://instagram.fruh4-3.fna.fbcdn.net ... .fbcdn.net

photos posted by: @diehardbisdak

Or is Japan demonstrating it to the PAF for a sale offer? :scratchchin:



Does NAIA have comparatively new emergency vehicles and sweepers like these?.....

posted by: @wakeuptoreality
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https://scontent.fceb2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5CF2DC32



According to the Manila Standard, the Government has rejected Solar's SGL airport proposal.....

http://manilastandard.net/business/biz- ... posal.html


Is this confirmed elsewhere :?:
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Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:59 am

Has anybody heard about ANA Holding’s conditions before it invested in PR?

1. Excellent on time preformance - makes sense why it’s pushing all stations to close cabin doors 10 minutes before ETD.

2. No labour dispute
3. No affiliations with any LCC - maybe why gossip on 2P being sold/bought by SMC surfaced; but isn’t it NH have Peach and Vanilla under its brand, or owns both LCC?
 
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Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:34 am

azyazy wrote:
Has anybody heard about ANA Holding’s conditions before it invested in PR?

1. Excellent on time preformance - makes sense why it’s pushing all stations to close cabin doors 10 minutes before ETD.

2. No labour dispute
3. No affiliations with any LCC - maybe why gossip on 2P being sold/bought by SMC surfaced; but isn’t it NH have Peach and Vanilla under its brand, or owns both LCC?


ANA Holdings has a number of smaller airlines beisdes the mainline NH. The subsidiary included Air Japan (NQ) , ANA Wings (EH), Peach (MM) and Vanilla Air (JW). MM and JW will merged this year with Peach being the surviving brand and will become Japan largedt LCC. I feel 2P is like between NQ and EH operating domestic, regional and charter flights for PR hence the reason for why I doubt PAL Holdings will sell 2P to SMC.
 
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Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:10 pm

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To be honest, it makes sense. The government has been adamant in not giving Bulacan any flight guarantees, and the primary purpose of this airport is to make money, being a private undertaking. Even if PR/2P (do remember that there have been rumours that SMC has been negotiating with them to move their ops to the new airport) and their codeshare/potential alliance partners in the future all start flying to Bulacan, that probably still won't be enough for them to break even if they did go through with the first plan (ie 100 mppa capacity by launch date), never mind the fact that it would take a far longer time to finish that than just building it in gradual phases.

It becomes even more tenuous if the Government's push for CRK's development gains more momentum. Here's a video that should help in better visualizing their conceptual goals..... :eyepopping: .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThIEF0aOcKw


Of course...there's often a wide divide between concept and reality. :spin:
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:44 am

SleeplessInZh wrote:
My sister flew with cebgo or cebu pacific,and told me the seats were in german.haha


CEB have Recaro manufactured seats on there A321's specifically the SL3510. I flew on CEB first A321 RP-C4111 last year and found the seats to be ok also feature USB charging port.

Recaro SL3510:
https://www.recaro-as.com/en/aircraft-s ... l3510.html

Cebu Pacific Signs for Recaro Slimeline Seats:
https://economyclassandbeyond.boardinga ... mfortable/

I believe its predecessor was the BL3510 seats also manufactured by Recaro, which PAL uses on there A320 and previously on there A319.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:35 am

The 36-kilometer subway will stretch from Valenzuela on the capital's northern end to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport, promising as fast as 30 minutes of travel time from end to end, the Department of Transportation said.

It will connect to the MRT-3, the LRT-2 and the Philippine National Railway lines, according to Transportation Usec for railways Timothy Batan.

Source: https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/02/27/19/metro-manila-subway-breaks-ground

Today officials broke the ground for Metro Manila's first underground subway. Finally some project goes live to beat the traffic and shorten the travel time to NAIA. Hopefully in the future, we can see some kind of colab between PNR and Metro Manila subway to connect CRK and NAIA.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:00 pm

EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
The 36-kilometer subway will stretch from Valenzuela on the capital's northern end to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport, promising as fast as 30 minutes of travel time from end to end, the Department of Transportation said.

It will connect to the MRT-3, the LRT-2 and the Philippine National Railway lines, according to Transportation Usec for railways Timothy Batan.

Source: https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/02/27/19/metro-manila-subway-breaks-ground

Today officials broke the ground for Metro Manila's first underground subway. Finally some project goes live to beat the traffic and shorten the travel time to NAIA. Hopefully in the future, we can see some kind of colab between PNR and Metro Manila subway to connect CRK and NAIA.


Though not as convenient as before, you'll still be able to go from NAIA Terminal 3 to Lawton West and travel to FTI to catch the recently broken ground NSCR Airport Express to CRK. Maybe in the future they'll make a spur line that would interline with the subway, but I think an extension to NAIA 1/2 and Asiaworld will probably be the main focus in the foreseeable future.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0YzQB2UwAAKM24.jpg:large
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... O_9AzeFnBA

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Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:59 pm

Now it's clear what the JASDF C-2 was doing at CEB......

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ut-456144/



It's now PAL's turn to unleash their seat sale promo.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... ggest-sale


.....and to consider a re-IPO to hedge against a higher public float requirement.....

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https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... aise-funds



Don't all the railway developments connecting to NAIA indicate that the airport would be there for a long while yet :?: .....

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https://media.philstar.com/photos/2019/ ... -32-20.jpg


One report even said that the subway would connect directly to NAIA T3...I wonder how they would accomplish that? :scratchchin:
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:53 pm

Devilfish wrote:
idp5601 wrote:
To be honest, it makes sense. The government has been adamant in not giving Bulacan any flight guarantees, and the primary purpose of this airport is to make money, being a private undertaking. Even if PR/2P (do remember that there have been rumours that SMC has been negotiating with them to move their ops to the new airport) and their codeshare/potential alliance partners in the future all start flying to Bulacan, that probably still won't be enough for them to break even if they did go through with the first plan (ie 100 mppa capacity by launch date), never mind the fact that it would take a far longer time to finish that than just building it in gradual phases.

It becomes even more tenuous if the Government's push for CRK's development gains more momentum. Here's a video that should help in better visualizing their conceptual goals..... :eyepopping: .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThIEF0aOcKw


Of course...there's often a wide divide between concept and reality. :spin:


Take note that Clark Global City is a private undertaking.

Anyway, if the developments in Clark become a smashing success I could see them expanding CRK, but I don't think Manileños will choose to fly out of there if there's a good airport much closer to the metropolitan area.

azyazy wrote:
Has anybody heard about ANA Holding’s conditions before it invested in PR?

1. Excellent on time preformance - makes sense why it’s pushing all stations to close cabin doors 10 minutes before ETD.

2. No labour dispute
3. No affiliations with any LCC - maybe why gossip on 2P being sold/bought by SMC surfaced; but isn’t it NH have Peach and Vanilla under its brand, or owns both LCC?


Is 2P really a low-cost carrier in the traditional sense of the word, though? They are only low-cost in that labour costs there are much cheaper. Snacks and drinks are still free, and flying on PALex is pretty much the same experience as flying on PR mainline, with the exception of that extra magazine and lack of a J cabin.
 
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Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:44 pm

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Take note that Clark Global City is a private undertaking.

Then much depends on who is "closer" to the "kitchen". :stirthepot:

idp5601 wrote:
Anyway, if the developments in Clark become a smashing success I could see them expanding CRK, but I don't think Manileños will choose to fly out of there if there's a good airport much closer to the metropolitan area.

I for one would prefer to fly out of NAIA...or Bulakan if it sees the light of day. One way for the latter to happen is if the Government limits development at CRK to the ongoing terminal construction, new ATC tower, NavAids, improvements to the remaining open runway, taxiways and aprons. And just direct the bulk of the air traffic to the envisioned prime international gateway.

Of course, the question of how it would be financed is still up in the air. :raincloud: But already, there is an almost complete easier access route to Bulacan from the Port Area..... :wave: .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC4w4l9o2kI&t=744s


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idp5601 wrote:
Is 2P really a low-cost carrier in the traditional sense of the word, though? They are only low-cost in that labour costs there are much cheaper. Snacks and drinks are still free, and flying on PALex is pretty much the same experience as flying on PR mainline, with the exception of that extra magazine and lack of a J cabin.

If not for the congestion at NAIA, I would love for 2P to also acquire A220-100s for operation into leisure and secondary destinations in the country..... :cheerful: .....

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Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:40 pm

Do Air Vanautu still fly to mnl?i would like to see fiji airways in manila someday
I wonder if they'll choose recaro seats again IF they'll order the A330neo.
Globaltraveler.TV vol2 in german is out with the A321neo manila to hongkong review.again, in that video,they were extremely delighted with the service and the new aircraft.european carriers should be inspired by pal,with their narrowbodies except turkish
'Most improved airline' is not far away this year!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:22 pm

That was just the airplane geek in me talking (liked the livery)...and 2P may not be thrilled with the economics. I don't think Air Vanuatu ever had scheduled air service to MNL. That said, the A220-100 is a bit short-legged for the 3,400nm GC distance between MNL and VLI.....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-VLI&MS=wls&DU=nm


To end the confusion..... :airplane: .....

https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/passeng ... 0-100.html
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:11 pm

I thought Air Vanuatu flew to mnl devilfish.i know that air nuigini fly to mnl.
Maybe im just outdated.lol
Pal should fly to Chicago first,before flying to Paris.just my opinion.
Why?because they need to strenght their nord-american routes,where they can make profits.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:29 am

Ooops double post.and i can't delete my 2nd post now.lol
Sorry.
I wanted to delete the 2nd post,its not important.
Always have bad luck,to delete some posts;( after 15mins posts are permanent
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:38 am

idp5601 wrote:
azyazy wrote:
Has anybody heard about ANA Holding’s conditions before it invested in PR?

1. Excellent on time preformance - makes sense why it’s pushing all stations to close cabin doors 10 minutes before ETD.

2. No labour dispute
3. No affiliations with any LCC - maybe why gossip on 2P being sold/bought by SMC surfaced; but isn’t it NH have Peach and Vanilla under its brand, or owns both LCC?


Is 2P really a low-cost carrier in the traditional sense of the word, though? They are only low-cost in that labour costs there are much cheaper. Snacks and drinks are still free, and flying on PALex is pretty much the same experience as flying on PR mainline, with the exception of that extra magazine and lack of a J cabin.


Just want to add that 2P those operate two-class configured A320 and A321 on behalf of PAL from MNL to BCD, CEB, CGY, DVO, ILO, etc. They operate 6 Ex-PAL A320's with reg no. 8604, 8606, 8609, 8610, 8611 and 8615. Which still feature J class seats. However PAL those sale them as Y+ on most other flights. Additionally they also have 6 A321 with reg no. 9910, 9911, 9921, 9923, 9924, and 9927. With the remainder aircraft in there fleet 6 A320's 8393, 8395, 8396, 8397, 8398, 8399 and all Dash-8-Q400 feature an all-economy configuration with the first two or three rows being designated as Y+.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:53 am

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If not for the congestion at NAIA, I would love for 2P to also acquire A220-100s for operation into leisure and secondary destinations in the country..... :cheerful: .....

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https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/im ... 1&qlt=85,0


Quite curious about Feasibility of the A220 specifically the A220-300 as an alternative to the A320neo when time comes for PAL to search for replacement for there older A320ceo. A 145 seat A220-300 can possibly replaced PAL or GAP 156 seat A320 with a net deduction of just 11 seats which could allow the reduction of the number of Cabin Crew from 4 to 3 along with improve efficiency can allow PAL to better compete with CEB and APG on point-to-point routes. The A220-100 can also be feasible If PAL acquire the A220-300 and possibly base then out of secondary hubs such as CEB or DVO, etc. But I think the main reason why PAL doesn't want to acquire the A220 is it could add fleet complexity between PAL and GAP Both operated the A320 and A321 which allows them to transfer aircraft between fleet and reduce the cost of training and maintenance. Personally I think it would be best for PAL to base the A321 out of MNL while either the A320 or A220 on secondary hubs such as CEB, CRK and DVO.

Any opinions to share with regards to the
feasibility of the A220 family for PAL?
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:07 am

PR77W wrote:
idp5601 wrote:
azyazy wrote:
Has anybody heard about ANA Holding’s conditions before it invested in PR?

1. Excellent on time preformance - makes sense why it’s pushing all stations to close cabin doors 10 minutes before ETD.

2. No labour dispute
3. No affiliations with any LCC - maybe why gossip on 2P being sold/bought by SMC surfaced; but isn’t it NH have Peach and Vanilla under its brand, or owns both LCC?

Just want to add that 2P those operate two-class configured A320 and A321 on behalf of PAL from MNL to BCD, CEB, CGY, DVO, ILO, etc. They operate 6 Ex-PAL A320's with reg no. 8604, 8606, 8609, 8610, 8611 and 8615. Which still feature J class seats. However PAL those sale them as Y+ on most other flights. Additionally they also have 6 A321 with reg no. 9910, 9911, 9921, 9923, 9924, and 9927. With the remainder aircraft in there fleet 6 A320's 8393, 8395, 8396, 8397, 8398, 8399 and all Dash-8-Q400 feature an all-economy configuration with the first two or three rows being designated as Y+.


The -86XX J seats are being sold as Business Class on Clark-Mindanao. Unsure about the regional hops out of Cebu. Also, only the NextGens (-59XX) have Premium Economy, while the classic Q400s are all Y.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:40 am

azyazy wrote:
Has anybody heard about ANA Holding’s conditions before it invested in PR?

1. Excellent on time preformance - makes sense why it’s pushing all stations to close cabin doors 10 minutes before ETD.

2. No labour dispute
3. No affiliations with any LCC - maybe why gossip on 2P being sold/bought by SMC surfaced; but isn’t it NH have Peach and Vanilla under its brand, or owns both LCC?


Is 2P really a low-cost carrier in the traditional sense of the word, though? They are only low-cost in that labour costs there are much cheaper. Snacks and drinks are still free, and flying on PALex is pretty much the same experience as flying on PR mainline, with the exception of that extra magazine and lack of a J cabin.[/quote]

This where I’m confused. Well, first of all, I am not 100% sure if these conditions were really set by ANA in the first place. Well, the first 2 seems logical, OTP performance, as we all know Japanese are always on-time. Second, who wants to have labour disputes.

If NH wanted PR no affiliations with LCC, but how come they have JW and MM under their portfolio; not sure though if they codeshare with mainline NH. NQ operates several Asian routes, which is still NH.

2P started with Airphil Express , which we know that it’s 5J and PQ/Z2 direct competitor. When SMC took over PAL, it wanted to harmonize PR and 2P branding, hence the change in livery and cabin crew uniform, however, its soft product are kind of inconsistent. While they have J class seats on A321 it operates and A320 86XX series, the service they offer varies. They have J class offerings for CEB DVO PPS among some, but when these are used for KLO flights, for example, if I’m not mistaken, J class section is sold as W with W class service. Not sure with ILO, BCD, DGT etc. if aircrafts fitted with J seats are sold as what kind of service.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:06 pm

azyazy wrote:
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This where I’m confused. Well, first of all, I am not 100% sure if these conditions were really set by ANA in the first place. Well, the first 2 seems logical, OTP performance, as we all know Japanese are always on-time. Second, who wants to have labour disputes.

If NH wanted PR no affiliations with LCC, but how come they have JW and MM under their portfolio; not sure though if they codeshare with mainline NH. NQ operates several Asian routes, which is still NH.

2P started with Airphil Express , which we know that it’s 5J and PQ/Z2 direct competitor. When SMC took over PAL, it wanted to harmonize PR and 2P branding, hence the change in livery and cabin crew uniform, however, its soft product are kind of inconsistent. While they have J class seats on A321 it operates and A320 86XX series, the service they offer varies. They have J class offerings for CEB DVO PPS among some, but when these are used for KLO flights, for example, if I’m not mistaken, J class section is sold as W with W class service. Not sure with ILO, BCD, DGT etc. if aircrafts fitted with J seats are sold as what kind of service.


Both ILO and BCD have J Class seats on most flight while DGT only has W Class seats. Also want to added on flights out to CEB when operated by a Two-class configured A320 the J Class Seats are also sold as W Class with same service standards. I agreed that the soft product is inconsistent would be better to offer J Class seats for all flights out of MNL and CRK. while for other hubs like CEB W Class can be the highest class available. Maybe PAL should just could adopt Inter-European Business Class by having the aircraft in an All-economy configuration and just blocking the middle seat of the first 2 to 4 rows while offering an improved meal and drink service, etc?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:44 pm

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Quite curious about Feasibility of the A220 specifically the A220-300 as an alternative to the A320neo when time comes for PAL to search for replacement for there older A320ceo. A 145 seat A220-300 can possibly replaced PAL or GAP 156 seat A320 with a net deduction of just 11 seats which could allow the reduction of the number of Cabin Crew from 4 to 3 along with improve efficiency can allow PAL to better compete with CEB and APG on point-to-point routes.

The A220-300 could certainly be a good replacement for the A319 but given PR's move to higher capacity frames (A320N to A321N), it may not have much of chance there. Also, one less cabin crew may not be all that economical when you're still paying two much higher rate pilots in the cockpit while flying a smaller capacity plane. Then there's the difference in amortizing a brand-new frame vs operating one already in the fleet, slightly better efficiency notwithstanding.


PR77W wrote:
The A220-100 can also be feasible If PAL acquire the A220-300 and possibly base then out of secondary hubs such as CEB or DVO, etc.

For sure, PR would prefer to have their bigger planes at CEB and DVO to mitigate the congestion at MNL, if for nothing else. The A221 could make sense only if they could charge higher ticket prices on it, which is highly improbable. Would love to fly in it to MPH, PPS or TAG though. :smile:


Philippine747 wrote:
The -86XX J seats are being sold as Business Class on Clark-Mindanao. Unsure about the regional hops out of Cebu. Also, only the NextGens (-59XX) have Premium Economy, while the classic Q400s are all Y.

This report suggests PR is streamlining their cabin offerings.....

https://business.inquirer.net/265808/pa ... USgFJXed.1

Just don't put those newfangled 'Layer' seats in them, please? :shakehead:


PR77W wrote:
Maybe PAL should just could adopt Inter-European Business Class by having the aircraft in an All-economy configuration and just blocking the middle seat of the first 2 to 4 rows while offering an improved meal and drink service, etc?

They might as well acquire the A220-300 so they wouldn't have to block any middle seat on one side, and just sell the rest of the seats on the other side as they are. :half:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:13 am

Devilfish wrote:
A220-300 could certainly be a good replacement for the A319 but given PR's move to higher capacity frames (A320N to A321N), it may not have much of chance there. Also, one less cabin crew may not be all that economical when you're still paying two much higher rate pilots in the cockpit while flying a smaller capacity plane. Then there's the difference in amortizing a brand-new frame vs operating one already in the fleet, slightly better efficiency notwithstanding.


For sure, PR would prefer to have their bigger planes at CEB and DVO to mitigate the congestion at MNL, if for nothing else. The A221 could make sense only if they could charge higher ticket prices on it, which is highly improbable. Would love to fly in it to MPH, PPS or TAG though. :smile:


Philippine747 wrote:
The -86XX J seats are being sold as Business Class on Clark-Mindanao. Unsure about the regional hops out of Cebu. Also, only the NextGens (-59XX) have Premium Economy, while the classic Q400s are all Y.

This report suggests PR is streamlining their cabin offerings.....

https://business.inquirer.net/265808/pa ... USgFJXed.1

Just don't put those newfangled 'Layer' seats in them, please? :shakehead:


They might as well acquire the A220-300 so they wouldn't have to block any middle seat on one side, and just sell the rest of the seats on the other side as they are. :half:
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:01 am

PR77W wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
A220-300 could certainly be a good replacement for the A319 but given PR's move to higher capacity frames (A320N to A321N), it may not have much of chance there. Also, one less cabin crew may not be all that economical when you're still paying two much higher rate pilots in the cockpit while flying a smaller capacity plane. Then there's the difference in amortizing a brand-new frame vs operating one already in the fleet, slightly better efficiency notwithstanding.

For sure, PR would prefer to have their bigger planes at CEB and DVO to mitigate the congestion at MNL, if for nothing else. The A221 could make sense only if they could charge higher ticket prices on it, which is highly improbable. Would love to fly in it to MPH, PPS or TAG though. :smile:


Philippine747 wrote:
The -86XX J seats are being sold as Business Class on Clark-Mindanao. Unsure about the regional hops out of Cebu. Also, only the NextGens (-59XX) have Premium Economy, while the classic Q400s are all Y.

This report suggests PR is streamlining their cabin offerings.....

https://business.inquirer.net/265808/pa ... USgFJXed.1

Just don't put those newfangled 'Layer' seats in them, please? :shakehead:


They might as well acquire the A220-300 so they wouldn't have to block any middle seat on one side, and just sell the rest of the seats on the other side as they are. :half:


Please delete the post! I did not managed to edit the post and reply.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:05 am

Devilfish wrote:
The A220-300 could certainly be a good replacement for the A319 but given PR's move to higher capacity frames (A320N to A321N), it may not have much of chance there. Also, one less cabin crew may not be all that economical when you're still paying two much higher rate pilots in the cockpit while flying a smaller capacity plane. Then there's the difference in amortizing a brand-new frame vs operating one already in the fleet, slightly better efficiency notwithstanding.

For sure, PR would prefer to have their bigger planes at CEB and DVO to mitigate the congestion at MNL, if for nothing else. The A221 could make sense only if they could charge higher ticket prices on it, which is highly improbable. Would love to fly in it to MPH, PPS or TAG though. :smile:

Probably its best to base most of PAL A321 at MNL while a fraction of A320 will operate routes that that can't support the A321 either demand or infrastructure. While the remainder of the A320 can be base at secondary hubs like CEB or CRK.

Philippine747 wrote:
The -86XX J seats are being sold as Business Class on Clark-Mindanao. Unsure about the regional hops out of Cebu. Also, only the NextGens (-59XX) have Premium Economy, while the classic Q400s are all Y.

This report suggests PR is streamlining their cabin offerings.....

https://business.inquirer.net/265808/pa ... USgFJXed.1

Just don't put those newfangled 'Layer' seats in them, please? :shakehead:

They might as well acquire the A220-300 so they wouldn't have to block any middle seat on one side, and just sell the rest of the seats on the other side as they are. :half:


I also want to added that PAL want a streamline fleet with GAP to reduced training and maintenance cost, (Economic of scale as they say), Additionally If PAL and GAP have a common fleet they can inter-changed aircraft like PAL transferring some of its A320 And A321 to GAP or possibly GAP return excess A320 or A321 back to PAL. :scratchchin:

when it comes to hub operations I think its best to base most of PAL and GAP A321 at MNL, while the A320 will operate routes that that can't support the A321 either demand or infrastructure. The remainder of the PAL A320 and some A321 can be base at secondary hubs like CEB or CRK.

Maybe PAL should introduce an Economy Plus seating optiont (extra-legroom seats), similar to what US carriers offer. IMHO PAL should make Premium Economy {W} and Extra-legroom Economy {Y+} separate brands to reduced confusion between W and Y+.
Also curious why PAL A321neo don't have Y+ like on the A321ceo?

Was only a suggestion I wasn't serious and skeptical PAL will downgraded its Recliner style business class to Eurobusiness. If they ever do it however won't be surprised some of PAL high flyers take there business to 5J or Z2 on domestic flights. :banghead:
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:45 am

Sam Chui placed Pal in his top10 for the best cabin crew.
Bitter Indonesians might take their bitter pill after ranting against PAL in the last 4 years (youtube videos)
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