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Devilfish
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:03 pm

Perhaps wary of the quick progress of CRK T2 and of getting a similar ultimatum as the NAIA Consortium, SMC is now anxious to complete the Swiss Challenge stage for its unsolicited proposal to build a new international gateway in Bulakan.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... cession-q3

Quote:
MANILA, Philippines — Conglomerate San Miguel Corp. (SMC) may receive the concession to develop and operate a new international airport in Bulacan by the third quarter, assuming that there would be no company or group that could top its offer.

Transportation Undersecretary for Aviation Manuel Tamayo said the terms of reference (TOR) or the guidelines for the Swiss challenge are now being finalized, with the hope of getting it published by next month.

“Hopefully within April we can publish the TOR for the Swiss challenge for the Bulacan airport,” he said.

Once the TOR is published, other groups or companies would then have 60 days to give better offers than that of SMC’s proposal."



Progress photos of CRK T2 construction from SkyscraperCity follow below.....

source: @ctto PTV
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source: @ctto Eduardo Mendoza
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source: @ctto Shane Frias Velasco
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source: @ctto Reicelene Joy Ng Ignacio
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photos posted by: @mrwhitepatch



Video of the project site meeting and inspection on 3/27/2019.....

https://www.facebook.com/bbbphilippines ... 306728100/

uploaded by: @Romb



Report about a new second runway at CRK.....

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1100322/c ... 2nd-runway


If they're building a new parallel runway, then a third international PTB to handle the major increase in aircraft movements may be in order....say like this..... :wideeyed: .....

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:crowded: Would the demand be there to justify the huge outlay :?:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Mar 30, 2019 2:32 am

A full retro livery looks:
1. Ugly
2. Pal don't need it, like other desperate airlines
3. The design of a small patch with that "kiss" is enough and timely relevant for the airline.the lovebus
4.costs money to paint and repaint.
5.Ugly.nothing of a modern contemporary design,and Pal wants to be modern.
6. Pal is not Pan Pacific Airlines.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:52 am

Yeetus787 wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
Don't all the railway developments connecting to NAIA indicate that the airport would be there for a long while yet :?: .....

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https://media.philstar.com/photos/2019/ ... -32-20.jpg


One report even said that the subway would connect directly to NAIA T3...I wonder how they would accomplish that? :scratchchin:


The extension of subway to NAIA is optional, depending on the demand. And it will have 2 stations, Terminal 3 and Terminal 1 and 2 and goes all the way to PITX. Well, we don't know the detailed engineering and design plan for the 2 NAIA stations yet. This is the revised map of MM Subway project.
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In my opinion, if they do build the subway to NAIA, they should build some kind of spur line connecting it to the planned PNR line to Clark Airport and have so they could do some kind of interline with an express service between Clark and NAIA, similar to the Keisei Access Express in Japan that runs between Haneda and Narita

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The subway will be actually connected to the PNR NSCR Line (CRK-Calamba line) thru Nichols/Lawton West or FTI Station from NAIA T3 and/or T1/T2.

Devilfish wrote:
If they're building a new parallel runway, then a third international PTB to handle the major increase in aircraft movements may be in order....say like this..... :wideeyed: .....

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https://scontent.fmnl4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5CCF870B


:crowded: Would the demand be there to justify the huge outlay :?:


That's only a fan-made architectural design of San Miguel's New MNL International Airport where the roof looks like Palafox-designed SM Malls in the late 90's. Since SMC partnered with Incheon International Airport Corp. thru a MOU, we might see architectural designs of New MNL International Airport's terminal buildings at par with ICN.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:16 am

The summer timetables are now coming into effect worldwide, and here are some of the highlights I can gather:

PAL

New service to MNL-HAN/PNH from April 1 (opb Mainline A320)
Additional frequencies on MNL-BKK, operating 4x weekly in addition to the existing 3 daily flights
LAX goes 17x weekly from May 16
MNL-CGK (PR535/536) goes daily
MNL-JFK/YYZ goes daily from 5x weekly
MNL-TPE-KIX (PR896/897) reduced to 3x weekly
A330 (new config) swaps for A321/A21N on MNL-XMN
CEB-NGO goes daily from 4x weekly
CEB-NRT is opb A330 (old config) on some services, upgrade from A321
KLO-PEK is reduced to 1x weekly from 3x weekly

Cebu Pacific

CRK-MPH (A320) begins on March 31
MNL-MRQ (opb Cebgo ATR) begins on April 1
CEB-PVG (A320) begins on April 1
A330 takes over from A321 on MNL-KIX beginning April 15
A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 AT75 AT76 B732 B733 B738 B744 B752(M) B763 B772 B77W DHC7 DH8C DH8D D328 MA60

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:20 am

SleeplessInZh wrote:
A full retro livery looks:
1. Ugly
2. Pal don't need it, like other desperate airlines
3. The design of a small patch with that "kiss" is enough and timely relevant for the airline.the lovebus
4.costs money to paint and repaint.
5.Ugly.nothing of a modern contemporary design,and Pal wants to be modern.
6. Pal is not Pan Pacific Airlines.


Personally, I'm for a retro livery on any aircraft:

1. It honors their past, and falls within their past taglines of "Asia's First"
2. Maybe now is not the time, but it would be great for their 80th anniversary coming up in 2021
3. Yes it costs money, but the PR marketing team can do their job and promote the brand
4. While their livery is nice, wouldn't a retro livery break the monotony at T2 :P
A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 AT75 AT76 B732 B733 B738 B744 B752(M) B763 B772 B77W DHC7 DH8C DH8D D328 MA60

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:22 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
The subway will be actually connected to the PNR NSCR Line (CRK-Calamba line) thru Nichols/Lawton West or FTI Station from NAIA T3 and/or T1/T2.

I really hope the optional subway extension to the bay area would materialize. :crossfingers: That will provide a fast, very convenient mass transit connection to the booming foreshore developments from northern MM.


SkyHigher wrote:
That's only a fan-made architectural design of San Miguel's New MNL International Airport where the roof looks like Palafox-designed SM Malls in the late 90's.

I know...filched it from the NMIA thread in Bulakan on SkyscraperCity...San Miguel and SM kind of matched. What can I say, I'm a sucker for simplicity and symmetry...besides, it looks much better than the PAL-proposed Annex. Should be fine if they're only thinking of having the airport for another 15 years. Only posted it here to tease those in charge of NAIA what could've been achieved in the time they were in decision paralysis. :cheerful:


SkyHigher wrote:
Since SMC partnered with Incheon International Airport Corp. thru a MOU, we might see architectural designs of New MNL International Airport's terminal buildings at par with ICN.

Given what Incheon proposed for MCIA T2 and seeing how MPH is progressing, my expectations are not that high...especially after that fantastic, all-in-one conceptual design SMC unleashed on the public's consciousness. :wideeyed: At the rate it's going, afraid we might see such an SM-esque terminal at CRK first...it has the ready, wide open area after all...and a new parallel runway already announced. :| .
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:32 pm

Philippine747 wrote:
The summer timetables are now coming into effect worldwide, and here are some of the highlights I can gather:

PAL

New service to MNL-HAN/PNH from April 1 (opb Mainline A320)
Additional frequencies on MNL-BKK, operating 4x weekly in addition to the existing 3 daily flights
LAX goes 17x weekly from May 16
MNL-CGK (PR535/536) goes daily
MNL-JFK/YYZ goes daily from 5x weekly
MNL-TPE-KIX (PR896/897) reduced to 3x weekly
A330 (new config) swaps for A321/A21N on MNL-XMN
CEB-NGO goes daily from 4x weekly
CEB-NRT is opb A330 (old config) on some services, upgrade from A321
KLO-PEK is reduced to 1x weekly from 3x weekly


Also MNL-BNE increased to 5x weekly from 4x weekly
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:54 am

Qantas16 wrote:
Additional frequencies on MNL-BKK, operating 4x weekly in addition to the existing 3 daily flights

Are Thai passengers or other tourists increasingly using MNL as a transit point from the US hence the big jump in frequencies?




From SkyscraperCity -- nice aerial shot of CRK Terminal 2 construction with Mt. Arayat in the background..... :camera: .....

source: @twitter: JV Ejercito
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posted by: @Mi Vida


:laughing: Guess other politicos got outsmarted on this one. :spin:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:19 am

Further to the points raised in #301, here's another opinion piece attempting to shed clarity on the issues.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... ector-help


Truly wish the public is not being taken on an April 1st ride..... :crazy: :biting: :talktothehand: :hissyfit:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:20 am

Qantas16 wrote:
Additional frequencies on MNL-BKK, operating 4x weekly in addition to the existing 3 daily flights

Devilfish wrote:
Are Thai passengers or other tourists increasingly using MNL as a transit point from the US hence the big jump in frequencies?


I think it is more to accommodate passengers within Southeast Asia, but possibly some are using MNL also as transit point as well.

The increase could be an offshoot of PR's codeshare partnership with PG/Bangkok Airways, which has significantly increased since they announced it in Oct 2018.

(See related report: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -jan-2019/)

During my last trip to BKK, some PR passengers also connect in BKK to Lao PDR via PG, leaving from MNL via PR. The timing of the PR A350 service leaving in the morning allows for an afternoon connection to other SEA destinations.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:30 am

Philippine Air Asia (Z2) will launch direct flights between Manila and Osaka-Kansai (MNL-KIX), from Jul 01 2019 will be operated by the Airbus A320

Z2 188 MNL | STD 08:30 - 13:15 STA | KIX.
Z2 189 KIX | STD 13:50 - 16:55 STA | MNL.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... july-2019/

Meanwhile Cebu Pacific is planning to launch direct flights between Clark and Tokyo-Narita by the 3Q of 2019, which will operate 4 times weekly Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun.

https://www.bworldonline.com/cebu-pacif ... d-quarter/

Date of launch is Aug 5 with the flight likely to be operated by the A320.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:44 am

PAL fits its long-haul fleet with SITAONAIR’s Inmarsat GX Aviation-supported in-flight connectivity service.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ne-457144/
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:33 pm

Devilfish wrote:
PAL fits its long-haul fleet with SITAONAIR’s Inmarsat GX Aviation-supported in-flight connectivity service.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ne-457144/


IIRC there were new SATCOM domes added to the 77Ws?
A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 AT75 AT76 B732 B733 B738 B744 B752(M) B763 B772 B77W DHC7 DH8C DH8D D328 MA60

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:18 pm

By downgrading osaka with the A321 now, from the refurbished A330, its some kind of obvious, that they will NOT refurbish their other A330s anymore?as they often said before, some 'A330s are under-used'.lucio tan is an old profit-thinking businessman, so he will just overhear what passengers think or feel about it.they will wait for their A321neos and downgrade some key points in their asian routes?their other A321neos come with recliner seating,NOT realy following the trend, a downgrade from SIA regional product.
Pal don't inform the public,about their strategy,always kept in secrecy like a bank account.
Another topic: aircraft changes will always be the daily norm and people are left twisted in the dark.
European Airlines have very bad business class seating,however, if they say its an A321 for the route, its an A321.A330 for the route is an A330 for the route!!!
No excuses!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:42 pm

Sorry for my negativity after the good news about inmarsat...

However a refurbished A330 review to seoul.
https://youtu.be/TjDRhkiwK6E

The next day,maybe its the unrefurbished A330 to seoul?
If they fly one of their refurb A330 to seoul, the melbourne route can be f%# up? They maybe have deployed their ugly A330s to melbourne,by sending the beautiful cabins to seoul?we DON'T know!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:34 am

Philippine747 wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
PAL fits its long-haul fleet with SITAONAIR’s Inmarsat GX Aviation-supported in-flight connectivity service.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ne-457144/


IIRC there were new SATCOM domes added to the 77Ws?


Press release from SITAONAIR

https://www.sitaonair.aero/philippine-f ... powers-up/

Quites from JB.

“We are delighted to have long-term partner SITAONAIR join us on our journey towards achieving the coveted 5-Star Skytrax rating. We are taking our inflight passenger experience to the next level with SITAONAIR’s nose-to-tail inflight connectivity services over the high-speed capabilities of GX Aviation. We have high hopes that our partnership will help us achieve our mission of enhancing the total passenger experience while achieving operational efficiency. Our message to our passengers: ‘Fly on PAL’s long-haul routes and enjoy inflight connectivity at its finest’.”

And from SITAONAIR Vice-President of Asia Pacific

"With our customizable Internet ONAIR portal, Philippine Airlines will be equipped to provide its most enhanced, brand-defining, personalized passenger experience yet, from the forefront of the connected aircraft age. PAL is a highly-valued customer, and we are of course incredibly proud to be supporting the Philippines’ flag carrier as it drives forward its ambition to achieve a 5-Star Skytrax rating.
“SITAONAIR’s work with PAL is just one example of its mission to deliver end-to-end, future-proof connected aircraft innovations that incorporate the latest, best connectivity technologies to our airline customers’ unique specifications. We are truly a one-stop-shop with the expertise to empower airlines to achieve their bespoke connectivity ambitions, whatever their fleet or avionics preferences.”
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:52 am

Currently in PAL fleet only six A321neo, five A350 with an additional one on order, have been line-fit with GX aviation, while all ten Boeing 777 are being progressively retro-fit or have been completed recently.

I'm not sure with the remaining A321neo on order But I suspect they will also be line-fit.

Hopefully PAL will extend GX Aviation to its remaining fleet and retro-fit its A330, A321ceo or even some of the remaining A320 in the fleet.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:31 am

SleeplessInZh wrote:
By downgrading osaka with the A321 now, from the refurbished A330, its some kind of obvious, that they will NOT refurbish their other A330s anymore?as they often said before, some 'A330s are under-used'.lucio tan is an old profit-thinking businessman, so he will just overhear what passengers think or feel about it.they will wait for their A321neos and downgrade some key points in their asian routes?their other A321neos come with recliner seating,NOT realy following the trend, a downgrade from SIA regional product.
Pal don't inform the public,about their strategy,always kept in secrecy like a bank account.
Another topic: aircraft changes will always be the daily norm and people are left twisted in the dark.
European Airlines have very bad business class seating,however, if they say its an A321 for the route, its an A321.A330 for the route is an A330 for the route!!!
No excuses!


Lol. If equipment changes upset you so much, I really wouldn’t recommend that you fly CX. Or QR. Or KE. Or any airline, really. It’s part of life.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:46 am

PR77W wrote:
five A350 with an additional one on order

Per the A350 P&D thread, PR's sixth A359 (msn 303, RP-C3508) is already active on the flightline at TLS. Would be joining the fleet pretty soon. :goodvibes:


AirSWIFT now links ENI with TAG exclusively 4x weekly using their ATR72-600s.....

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... nglao.html


:cool2: Should be a welcome development for foreign tourists and local leisure travelers alike. :sun:



Over at CEB...Sunstar reports that the House of Representatives has approved the proposed Runway 2 for MCIA.....

https://www.sunstar.com.ph/article/1800 ... 2nd-runway


While it's alright to prepare early for its construction, it may be prudent to build the Center Concourse Extension for T2 first, to address the more immediate needs of MCIA. :twocents:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:49 pm

LurveBus wrote:
SleeplessInZh wrote:
By downgrading osaka with the A321 now, from the refurbished A330, its some kind of obvious, that they will NOT refurbish their other A330s anymore?as they often said before, some 'A330s are under-used'.lucio tan is an old profit-thinking businessman, so he will just overhear what passengers think or feel about it.they will wait for their A321neos and downgrade some key points in their asian routes?their other A321neos come with recliner seating,NOT realy following the trend, a downgrade from SIA regional product.
Pal don't inform the public,about their strategy,always kept in secrecy like a bank account.
Another topic: aircraft changes will always be the daily norm and people are left twisted in the dark.
European Airlines have very bad business class seating,however, if they say its an A321 for the route, its an A321.A330 for the route is an A330 for the route!!!
No excuses!


Lol. If equipment changes upset you so much, I really wouldn’t recommend that you fly CX. Or QR. Or KE. Or any airline, really. It’s part of life.


What kind of an argument is this. bala-bala
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:16 am

Philippine Airlines has schedule the A350 to operate between MNL-LAX 4 times weekly in May 2019

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 45536?s=19

IMHO: PAL needs the more A359
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:03 am

Yes pal need more A359s.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:41 am

Will philippines impose ban to royal brunei, too?
I think airlines should be NOT together in the same political pot.will gay vloggers,like f.e globaltravellerTV get the death penalty while beeing onboard this airline?

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... f37282742a
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:14 pm

Devilfish wrote:
PR77W wrote:
five A350 with an additional one on order

Per the A350 P&D thread, PR's sixth A359 (msn 303, RP-C3508) is already active on the flightline at TLS. Would be joining the fleet pretty soon.


PAL Sixth A350-900 RP-C3508 MSN303 has been spotted and is being prepared for delivery. Note also wearing the Love Bus sticker.

https://twitter.com/arvinparedes/status ... 19777?s=19
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:15 pm

PR77W wrote:
Philippine Airlines has schedule the A350 to operate between MNL-LAX 4 times weekly in May 2019

Looks like 2 for JFK, 2 for YYZ and 2 for LHR, with LAX to be operated by whichever frame is free on alternate days...would that extend beyond May, more or less :?:



PR77W wrote:
IMHO: PAL needs the more A359

If what another poster let slip in the other thread was near the truth, then PR might really have the slots. The question is what they would do with the rest of their long-haul fleet :confused:


PR77W wrote:
PAL Sixth A350-900 RP-C3508 MSN303 has been spotted and is being prepared for delivery. Note also wearing the Love Bus sticker.

Thanks for that link... :bigthumbsup: ...

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3ZIjlrXsAAXZ-s.jpg

It just had its initial engine run, so likely on-track to join the fleet in time for the added frequencies. :cheerful:



Meanwhile...back in the real(?) world.....

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1103598/d ... y-takeover
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:24 am

SleeplessInZh wrote:
Will philippines impose ban to royal brunei, too?
I think airlines should be NOT together in the same political pot.will gay vloggers,like f.e globaltravellerTV get the death penalty while beeing onboard this airline?

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... f37282742a


If that was the case, the CAAP would've already banned Saudia and the ME3, whose respective home countries have proven track records of human rights abuses. However, that argument is for another place. In short, I don't see that happening, as well as yanking 5J's rights to fly into BWN.

Devilfish wrote:
If what another poster let slip in the other thread was near the truth, then PR might really have the slots. The question is what they would do with the rest of their long-haul fleet :confused:


Hopefully, they retrofit the 77Ws with Premium Economy and the new Business product. While the newer frames have nice interiors, they don't seem to match up with the newer products, especially with 2-3-2 in Business.
A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A343 AT75 AT76 B732 B733 B738 B744 B752(M) B763 B772 B77W DHC7 DH8C DH8D D328 MA60

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:10 pm

Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
The subway will be actually connected to the PNR NSCR Line (CRK-Calamba line) thru Nichols/Lawton West or FTI Station from NAIA T3 and/or T1/T2.

I really hope the optional subway extension to the bay area would materialize. :crossfingers: That will provide a fast, very convenient mass transit connection to the booming foreshore developments from northern MM.


That will also actually solve the problems of PITX right now - interconnectivity to other train lines plus faster mode of transport to NAIA if the optional subway extension from Lawton West to Asiaworld/PITX will be built. And not only in Northern MM, but those coming from Southern MM, Cavite and Batangas who are primary users of PITX.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:43 pm

PR B777-300 could take an example of some of AC B777-300 with lie-flat 28J, 24O and 398Y with 31" pitch for a total of 450 seats.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:55 pm

Philippine747 wrote:
Hopefully, they retrofit the 77Ws with Premium Economy and the new Business product. While the newer frames have nice interiors, they don't seem to match up with the newer products, especially with 2-3-2 in Business.

I was thinking more along the lines of excess capacity. Anyway, considering El Kapitan is well advanced in years, he may want to see his dreams for his "baby" realized ASAP. He certainly deserves the shot, having almost single-handedly brought PR from the brink of extinction and saving it again more recently.


HJM wrote:
PR B777-300 could take an example of some of AC B777-300 with lie-flat 28J, 24O and 398Y with 31" pitch for a total of 450 seats.

In view of the above, an A35K order for a pair is plausible vs spending more money on assets (IIRC, a haul of 77Ws is owned but are about a decade old & flown hard) the carrier would return later on. After all, it's their money on the line...hopefully, those who would take over the reins eventually also share his passion for the airline.


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That will also actually solve the problems of PITX right now - interconnectivity to other train lines plus faster mode of transport to NAIA if the optional subway extension from Lawton West to Asiaworld/PITX will be built. And not only in Northern MM, but those coming from Southern MM, Cavite and Batangas who are primary users of PITX.

Going against the idea are the lower number of users to/from NAIA initially compared to the huge CapEx...and the expected resistance from the toll road operators (unless they'd be partners of the subway concessionaire also). BTW, PITX was a rather unfortunate choice for an acronym...sounds a lot like "pain in the 'X'." :rotfl:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:59 am

HJM wrote:
PR B777-300 could take an example of some of AC B777-300 with lie-flat 28J, 24O and 398Y with 31" pitch for a total of 450 seats.


To be honest, the 42/328 config is good as it is. I hear the AC 77Ws don't exactly have a good reputation because of their density.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:03 am

I've read post from the Phil Aviation Forum that due to good load factor in Business Class. PAL may return the B77W to LHR. the main reason is due to the A359 Business class cabin always going full and the B77W has 12 more J seats then the A359.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:00 am

Duterte warns of military takeover for NAIA.

President Duterte on Thursday warned that he will order the military to take over the Ninoy Aquino International Airport if NAIA officials do not improve its operations.

The President has expressed displeasure over the slow-paced implementation of reform measures in many government agencies and the snail-paced completion of projects.


Source: https://www.philstar.com/nation/2019/04 ... eover-naia

Interesting events taking place. Maybe NAIA might become the next former Brazil :?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:00 pm

PAL first A321neo ACF configuration
https://twitter.com/Tobias_Gudat/status ... 16481?s=19

courtesy of Tobias Gudat.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 5:47 pm

PR77W wrote:
I've read post from the Phil Aviation Forum that due to good load factor in Business Class. PAL may return the B77W to LHR. the main reason is due to the A359 Business class cabin always going full and the B77W has 12 more J seats then the A359.

Good to know. Was this the one you were referring to..... :?:.....

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.com/ ... anila.html


Perhaps that could make PR to finally pull the trigger for a couple of this..... :cheerful: .....

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EmoticonsAllDay wrote:
Interesting events taking place.

See the last link in #320.



A few interesting photos of CEB from SkyscraperCity..... :camera: .....

Full vehicle parking area indicates need for more slots pretty soon..... :crowded: .....

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Cleared area for the airport hotel building...would add to traffic in the vicinity.....

https://postimg.cc/06g7Pygy



AirAsia and SilkAir birds huddled in the corner across the military ramp.....

https://postimg.cc/DSh5MzWd

photos posted by: @johnluke
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:32 pm

PR77W wrote:
PAL first A321neo ACF configuration
https://twitter.com/Tobias_Gudat/status ... 16481?s=19

courtesy of Tobias Gudat.


I can spot a small antenna in the middle.maybe that will change after paint.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:07 am

I wonder if PAL would also consider the A321XLR like UA..... :scratchchin: .....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... nt-457311/


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PR is to take delivery of another six aircraft this year, but is holding off a major refleeting program pending completion of various airport projects in the country..... :airplane: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... craft-2019

Quote:
In an interview, PAL president and chief operating officer Jaime Bautista said the airline is set to acquire six more aircraft of different models this year, lower than the 15 delivered in 2018.

“Within the year, there are only a few. We only have six deliveries now. But last year, we had 15,” Bautista said on the sidelines of the send-off ceremony for its A350 Love Bus going to Bangkok.

According to Bautista, the carrier is taking lower deliveries this year as there is still a need for airports to be constructed or improved.

“For now, we need to fix the airports. We also need to get additional slots before we embark on a major refleeting program,” he said.



PR's 6th A359 just had its first flight and will soon join the one delivered last February.....



PAL is also upgauging aircraft on flights to Thailand.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... nd-flights



For its part, the DOTr reiterated that the Terms of Reference for the NMIA in Bulakan Swiss challenge would be released on April 15......

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... d-april-15

https://business.inquirer.net/268374/sw ... this-month


.....and is also pushing through with the planned transfer of General Aviation operations to SGL.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... rport-plan



Meanwhile in CEB...is the area being cleared in front of MCIA T2 in the photo below for additional vehicle parking, or the site of an airport mall..... :?: .....

source: @akisileo_21
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:34 pm

Speculation is that the cordoned-off areas at CEB in #331 photo above are to be turned into smokers' lounges..... :expressionless:



More photos from SkyscraperCity..... :camera: .....

Moving north to CRK...not a lot appear much different from the last photo update on T2..... :| .....

source: @ctto Thomas Keeno Cabral
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..... :raincloud: Except politicians will now have a roof over their heads should they decide to do another photo op at CRK Terminal 2..... :sun:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2165777026809559



Panglao International Airport (TAG) is getting busier by the week..... :hyper: .....

source: @ctto Leslie Chow‎
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:11 pm

I have a few photos that my uncle took from the inaugural MNL-MRQ flight on 5J which he posted (publicly) on Facebook. This is the first time in several years (the last service I believe was in 2010 or 2011) that Marinduque has seen air service. Former Supreme Court Associate Justice Presbitero Velasco, who's running for governor, was also on this flight.

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Upon landing, visitors were welcomed with a kalutang band. The kalutang is an instrument found only in Marinduque, made out of wood sticks which are struck together to make music.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:34 am

Still at CEB T2 --- from SkyscraperCity..... :smile: .....

source: @jzhen.h ----- busy ramp..... :hyper: .....
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----- Are these concession stalls being put up at the arrivals exit area :?:
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According to Leeham News & Comments, some carriers are thought to already hold delivery positions for the A321XLR.....

https://leehamnews.com/2019/04/11/from- ... more-29894

Quote:
Selling the A321XLR

Airbus hasn’t launched the Xtra Long Range A321XLR, nor has it announced an Authority to Offer (ATO), but its sales force is out there selling the airplane.
According to information here in Atlanta, XLR positions for 2023 are already sold out.

The launch is expected at the Paris Air Show.



Considering the above, I do hope PR is among those rumored as having slots for the A321XLR...and that they can get to convert a few of their ordered later delivery A321Ns to the XLR version..... :crossfingers: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:55 am

Devilfish wrote:
Still at CEB T2 --- from SkyscraperCity..... :smile: .....

source: @jzhen.h ----- busy ramp..... :hyper: .....
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https://instagram.fruh4-6.fna.fbcdn.net ... .fbcdn.net

posted by: @diehardbisdak


----- Are these concession stalls being put up at the arrivals exit area :?:
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posted by: @wakeuptoreality



According to Leeham News & Comments, some carriers are thought to already hold delivery positions for the A321XLR.....

https://leehamnews.com/2019/04/11/from- ... more-29894

Quote:
Selling the A321XLR

Airbus hasn’t launched the Xtra Long Range A321XLR, nor has it announced an Authority to Offer (ATO), but its sales force is out there selling the airplane.
According to information here in Atlanta, XLR positions for 2023 are already sold out.

The launch is expected at the Paris Air Show.



Considering the above, I do hope PR is among those rumored as having slots for the A321XLR...and that they can get to convert a few of their ordered later delivery A321Ns to the XLR version..... :crossfingers: .....

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What will PR do with the XLR that it isn’t doing with their long-haul NEOs? The fleet was supposed to start India ops, but that isn’t happening thanks to geopolitical issues.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:22 am

LurveBus wrote:

What will PR do with the XLR that it isn’t doing with their long-haul NEOs? The fleet was supposed to start India ops, but that isn’t happening thanks to geopolitical issues.


They are often stopped in DVO on their MNL-SYD route, so the XLR would remove that unscheduled stop. They also could launch MEL with the A321XLR, moving the A330 elsewhere.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:36 pm

Akiestar wrote:
#333

As much as possible, I try to avoid posting photos of people on this site which might be construed as advancing certain agenda unrelated to aviation.


LurveBus wrote:
What will PR do with the XLR that it isn’t doing with their long-haul NEOs? The fleet was supposed to start India ops, but that isn’t happening thanks to geopolitical issues.

PR can use the narrowbody's inherent economic advantage (for say, MNL-AKL, provided the XLR could do the sector nonstop) when their A330's leases are up and the congestion at NAIA has eased somewhat. Also, the XLR may be flown from there and elsewhere far, to the growing hubs like CEB and CRK to develop both faster as viable transit points in the region to EU and NA, for which the A330 may be too much plane. The XLRs won't be more added capacity as those would only be converted from the A321Ns that PR had already ordered...and will just cost the difference from the standard version plus any conversion fees. The geopolitical issues are neither here nor there and will probably pass.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:52 pm

Personally I'm not a fan of spending 8+ hours on a single-aisle like the A321. However I will consider acceptable if PAL configured there A321 in a Tri-class configuration like there A330 with J that feature direct aisle-acess and a small W cabin.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:31 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Akiestar wrote:
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As much as possible, I try to avoid posting photos of people on this site which might be construed as advancing certain agenda unrelated to aviation.


I'm not advancing an agenda, if that's what you're implying I'm doing. I'm posting his pictures, not mine.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:36 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Akiestar wrote:
#333

As much as possible, I try to avoid posting photos of people on this site which might be construed as advancing certain agenda unrelated to aviation.


LurveBus wrote:
What will PR do with the XLR that it isn’t doing with their long-haul NEOs? The fleet was supposed to start India ops, but that isn’t happening thanks to geopolitical issues.

PR can use the narrowbody's inherent economic advantage (for say, MNL-AKL, provided the XLR could do the sector nonstop) when their A330's leases are up and the congestion at NAIA has eased somewhat. Also, the XLR may be flown from there and elsewhere far, to the growing hubs like CEB and CRK to develop both faster as viable transit points in the region to EU and NA, for which the A330 may be too much plane. The XLRs won't be more added capacity as those would only be converted from the A321Ns that PR had already ordered...and will just cost the difference from the standard version plus any conversion fees. The geopolitical issues are neither here nor there and will probably pass.


Uhm, MNL-AKL is more than 4300nm. Longer than MNL-DXB. An XLR cannot magically cover that distance with a decent payload. You always have to subtract at least 1000nm off the published range to get a real-world indication. Just because an A220 can fly 3,300 nm doesn’t mean it can fly MNL-SYD.

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LurveBus wrote:

What will PR do with the XLR that it isn’t doing with their long-haul NEOs? The fleet was supposed to start India ops, but that isn’t happening thanks to geopolitical issues.


They are often stopped in DVO on their MNL-SYD route, so the XLR would remove that unscheduled stop. They also could launch MEL with the A321XLR, moving the A330 elsewhere.


MNL-SYD is supposed to receive the 321 on a seasonal basis only. For Y passengers, there may be not much difference, but W passengers might get pissed that they lose their cabin, and J flyers love to complain about aisle access. If they’re gonna send the 321 there full-time, they might as well give it a premium product that matches their widebodies. That would reduce density and payload, too.
 
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Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:59 pm

[quote="LurveBus"]You always have to subtract at least 1000nm off the published range to get a real-world indication.[quote="LurveBus"]

I disagree... 1000nm is too much

Meaning the max range of an A320ceo is MNL-SIN or MNL-DPS??
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:33 pm

Anybody who has flown out of MNL recently?
Delays have been crazy! Is this the usual ATC that results into LATA? Since the summer sched kicked in, PR’s ops is in chaos! I’m check 5Js through FR24, and seems to be the same, or at least by the time I check their flights.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:19 am

PR77W wrote:
Personally I'm not a fan of spending 8+ hours on a single-aisle like the A321. However I will consider acceptable if PAL configured there A321 in a Tri-class configuration like there A330 with J that feature direct aisle-acess and a small W cabin.


I agree. Anything beyond 4 hours, I'd want to fly on a twin-aisle. Although technology has reached new heights (quite literally), the A321neo being proof of it, I still have a tendency to associate narrowbodies with short-haul/short flights. In fact, I'd prefer to fly exclusively on widebodies only if possible (hence my preference for CX, SQ, etc. over PR for some flights). Not claustrophobic but...

azyazy wrote:
Anybody who has flown out of MNL recently?
Delays have been crazy! Is this the usual ATC that results into LATA? Since the summer sched kicked in, PR’s ops is in chaos! I’m check 5Js through FR24, and seems to be the same, or at least by the time I check their flights.


Flew out of MNL-3 last 11 March and 7 April, flew in 22 March and 11 April, respectively, all on SQ. We boarded on time, early if I might say, and we pushed back five minutes early - BUT it took us around maybe half an hour on the 7 April flight to get to the runway. Terminal was crazy packed though, the immigration queues were already until check-in area. The lady told me it had been like that since 3 am, with AK/Z2, 5J, EK, CX, and SQ departures.

PR did advise arriving at the airport 4 hours before departure AND with a physical/printed ticket in tow... What is happening...
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:45 am

Devilfish wrote:
LurveBus wrote:
What will PR do with the XLR that it isn’t doing with their long-haul NEOs? The fleet was supposed to start India ops, but that isn’t happening thanks to geopolitical issues.

PR can use the narrowbody's inherent economic advantage (for say, MNL-AKL, provided the XLR could do the sector nonstop) when their A330's leases are up and the congestion at NAIA has eased somewhat. Also, the XLR may be flown from there and elsewhere far, to the growing hubs like CEB and CRK to develop both faster as viable transit points in the region to EU and NA, for which the A330 may be too much plane. The XLRs won't be more added capacity as those would only be converted from the A321Ns that PR had already ordered...and will just cost the difference from the standard version plus any conversion fees. The geopolitical issues are neither here nor there and will probably pass.


Yeah like congestion is going to magically disappear. While narrow-body have there economic advantages when compared to wide-body jets there are limits to how far there advantage can go.

There is cargo where using a WB would make sense when compared to an NB which has a smaller cargo hull that limits the amount of goods it can carry. Another is comfort, while most passengers managed to remain comfortable flying on an NB beyond 8 hours the question is will they be willing to pay more to fly direct on an NB beyond 10 hours? Maybe If the hard products is good then yes but what if its not? then they look for other ways even connecting to another hub. Economic of scale is another factor though this starting to become to long so will leave it here.

In the end having a mix of NB and WB in a fleet then having a single type IMHO.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:01 am

LurveBus wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
LurveBus wrote:

What will PR do with the XLR that it isn’t doing with their long-haul NEOs? The fleet was supposed to start India ops, but that isn’t happening thanks to geopolitical issues.


They are often stopped in DVO on their MNL-SYD route, so the XLR would remove that unscheduled stop. They also could launch MEL with the A321XLR, moving the A330 elsewhere.


MNL-SYD is supposed to receive the 321 on a seasonal basis only. For Y passengers, there may be not much difference, but W passengers might get pissed that they lose their cabin, and J flyers love to complain about aisle access. If they’re gonna send the 321 there full-time, they might as well give it a premium product that matches their widebodies. That would reduce density and payload, too.


Do you have a source that the A321Neo to SYD was only meant to ever be seasonal only, because that was not my understanding. Also, operating 10-14x weekly A321neo vs 7x weekly A330/A350 means that PR is able to not only provide pax more options but also means they can get both SYD-LHR traffic and also SYD-Japan/Korea traffic ( as well as SYD-MNL/Domestic traffic). So whilst the product may not be quite as good, it provides more options to pax. The PR A321Neo already has quite a low density layout, so I'm not sure how much lower density it needs to go. Also, is there significant demand for W on the SYD-MNL leg? Generally, W sold ex-Australia is primarily to North America, not a big market for PR ex-SYD.
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