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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
PR should really consider ordering some A321LRs when they become available. I'm kind of surprised they haven't done so already.


IIRC, PR's "long range" A321neos just have extra fuel tanks, and aren't proper A321neoLRs right?

If so, I totally agree that PR should go for the neoLRs sometime. They'd have the more efficient door layout (IIRC the ACF layout is the basis for the A321neoLR), enough range to get to Sydney every day of the year, and could even offer a 3-class product on it should they wish. And they could update the Business Class to something all-aisle-access like Thompson's Vantage Solo.

And the currently-used-for-longer-flights A321neos (the ones with the extra fuel tanks) could then be used to replace older A321-200s or something.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 21, 2019 8:22 am

jteruel06 wrote:
Royal Air - a charter airline in operation in the Philippines since 2002 - is now looking to take on PR, 5J, Z2 with new flights out of CEB and announced plans to acquire Airbus A319s.

http://www.flightsinasia.com/article/4425


Any idea where these A319 coming from? With Chinese tourist flights like Macau in the pipe, according to their homepage, I think they will copy the success of Pan Pacific Airlines/8Y. What do you think?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 21, 2019 10:15 am

debonair wrote:
jteruel06 wrote:
Royal Air - a charter airline in operation in the Philippines since 2002 - is now looking to take on PR, 5J, Z2 with new flights out of CEB and announced plans to acquire Airbus A319s.

http://www.flightsinasia.com/article/4425


Any idea where these A319 coming from? With Chinese tourist flights like Macau in the pipe, according to their homepage, I think they will copy the success of Pan Pacific Airlines/8Y. What do you think?


From what I've been hearing, the A319s are ex-Germania frames.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 21, 2019 11:27 am

debonair wrote:
jteruel06 wrote:
Royal Air - a charter airline in operation in the Philippines since 2002 - is now looking to take on PR, 5J, Z2 with new flights out of CEB and announced plans to acquire Airbus A319s.

http://www.flightsinasia.com/article/4425


Any idea where these A319 coming from? With Chinese tourist flights like Macau in the pipe, according to their homepage, I think they will copy the success of Pan Pacific Airlines/8Y. What do you think?


I have to admit I am not too familiar with Pan Pacific, but their website and flight schedule seems suggest they are focused on the South Korean market. Definitely seems like a similar situation given the Chinese market provides a significant number of tourists to the Philippines. One thing I noticed was Pan Pacific doesn't market itself as a low cost airline as it offers passengers a free meal and blankets.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Wed May 22, 2019 5:12 pm

From SkyscraperCity...CRK T2 appears to be progressing nicely while MPH is bogged down by inaction..... :banghead: .....

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:idea: Maybe SMC should just put an indent order for glulam roof beams from CRK's supplier and flop those on top of their steel framework :?:

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That should enhance the appearance of Boracay's main terminal and give it the resort character it sorely lacks. :cheerful: From the way things are going, they seem to be following NEDA's advice to "make haste slowly" a little too religiously.... :hissyfit: .....

https://business.inquirer.net/271052/ne ... a-projects


Which, hopefully, shall not be the case with NAIA..... :crossfingers: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 23, 2019 3:27 pm

Malolos-Clark elevated rail segment just got a boost from ADB..... :house: .....

https://business.inquirer.net/271127/ad ... -to-1-hour

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I guess these photos are included to indicate they will be constructing the superstructure along the median swale of the expressway?

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Interestingly, the intended terminus in Manila seems to be the busy Blumentritt area. There's an image of the Blumentritt station in the video but it's not very clear.

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat May 25, 2019 4:56 am

The JICA documents seem to have placed Tutuban and Alabang as the termini (or perhaps the "other" termini), actually. Though if not the terminus, then Blumentritt is certainly still an important junction between the North and South lines. Not to mention the LRT connection.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat May 25, 2019 2:14 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Malolos-Clark elevated rail segment just got a boost from ADB..... :house: .....

https://business.inquirer.net/271127/ad ... -to-1-hour

https://twitter.com/ADBPhilippines/stat ... page%3D691


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I guess these photos are included to indicate they will be constructing the superstructure along the median swale of the expressway?

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Interestingly, the intended terminus in Manila seems to be the busy Blumentritt area. There's an image of the Blumentritt station in the video but it's not very clear.

https://www.facebook.com/ADBPhilippines ... =e&sfns=mo


The PNR NSCR project to CRK will traverse thru the existing PNR ROW, mostly near McArthur Highway, and the main terminus is in Tutuban, not Blumentritt (which has transfer to Line 1) shown in the video.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 3:43 pm

 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 27, 2019 2:39 am

Does anyone know why the Xiamen Air 737 is still at NAIA and hasn't been moved elsewhere?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 27, 2019 6:31 am

SleeplessInZh wrote:


Just watch his video and I agree with his points:

1.) The ground experience was horrendous T1 was crowded along with PAGS lounge and the window where dirty.

2.) The seat was well thought it had sufficient spece for storage and the odd number of seat provided additional privacy.

3.)Food was excellent so noting to complain about, amenities where also good and the crew where exceptional on the flight.

Personal recommendation for improvement:

1.) For the lounge PAL is supposed to open a lounge at T1 which should minimize the congestion at the PAGS lounge. But If they where to move all international flights to T1, which is likely then maybe expand the upcoming lounge or open a 2nd lounge.

2.) I think MIAA should consider opening an express line for premium passengers at NAIA to help minimize the crowding at security lines

3.) PAL should consider adding additional amenity for trans-pacific flights like pajamas and mattress pad or sheet.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 27, 2019 11:22 am

PR77W wrote:
SleeplessInZh wrote:


Personal recommendation for improvement:

1.) For the lounge PAL is supposed to open a lounge at T1 which should minimize the congestion at the PAGS lounge. But If they where to move all international flights to T1, which is likely then maybe expand the upcoming lounge or open a 2nd lounge.

2.) I think MIAA should consider opening an express line for premium passengers at NAIA to help minimize the crowding at security lines

3.) PAL should consider adding additional amenity for trans-pacific flights like pajamas and mattress pad or sheet.


1. I wonder when will PAL open the Mabuhay Lounge at 4F of T1. PAGSS (not PAGS) Lounge might be bad but I think they'll be renovating both lounges (near Gate 2 and 7) once the former opens sometime this year.

2. Express lanes for all First and Biz class (premium economy may also be considered) passengers in MNL is a good idea, but the space on the current infrastructure may be a problem.

3. I really hope PAL would add sleepwear, but bedsheet, I think the material on current long haul biz class seats used in NA and European flights is apparently comfortable enough.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 27, 2019 6:20 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
The PNR NSCR project to CRK will traverse thru the existing PNR ROW, mostly near McArthur Highway

Thank you...that makes a lot of sense. They won't have to spend a lot of money for ROW acquisition as the alignment is more or less set and ready for construction. No lengthy expropriation proceedings to unduly delay the project...except perhaps for the considerate, even-handed relocation of settlers along the tracks.

SkyHigher wrote:
and the main terminus is in Tutuban, not Blumentritt (which has transfer to Line 1) shown in the video.

Yes, I worded that poorly, my bad. Meant to highlight the planners' focus on Blumentritt as the main transfer point of passengers to the other existing mass transport option. The tracks split just past JASA towards Solis. The commuter train from Caloocan can be seen around 1.45 of the ff video, crossing C3/5thAv at the junction of the (NLEX alt access) Harbor Link connector to R10.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3WLJWNlXyE

Note that they are not extending LRT 2 to build a station in front of Tutuban (or are they) :?:



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I hope the operator does something to the exposed ceiling of the bridgeway...even a galvanized WWF suspended from it would improve its appearance markedly. Then it will really be "more fun for everyone"..... :bigthumbsup: .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4l3nxLbiNk

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon May 27, 2019 10:24 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Note that they are not extending LRT 2 to build a station in front of Tutuban (or are they) :?:


LRT 2 West Extension will go from Recto to Tutuban, Divisoria and finally Pier 4 at the Manila Harbour.

Its been radio silence on start date, however one news vid on Youtube says it's in the procurement stage while someone on SSC found an FOI request on the project and it looks like civil works construction and procurement of ems/trackworks/rolling stock should be starting in 2020 and ending in 2023

https://i.imgur.com/TxDnQJA.png
https://www.foi.gov.ph/requests/aglzfmVmb2ktcGhyHgsSB0NvbnRlbnQiEUxSVEEtMjQyMDI0MDM4NzY2DA

To illustrate the massing and interchange between NSCR & LRT 2

station architecture has been refined since this image was released
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 2:58 am

fusionliner wrote:
LRT 2 West Extension will go from Recto to Tutuban, Divisoria and finally Pier 4 at the Manila Harbour.

Its been radio silence on start date, however one news vid on Youtube says it's in the procurement stage while someone on SSC found an FOI request on the project and it looks like civil works construction and procurement of ems/trackworks/rolling stock should be starting in 2020 and ending in 2023

Thank you so much...very informative.


fusionliner wrote:
To illustrate the massing and interchange between NSCR & LRT 2

I didn't know that the Cluster Building burned and was demolished...only found out now. Apparently, they're building the elevated train station over the old tracks on Dagupan St. Extending LRT 2 to the Harbor area is very commendable and would almost complete the light rail loop around the city. :thumbsup:


fusionliner wrote:
station architecture has been refined since this image was released

I can't find a bigger image...is this it :?: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 5:37 am

PR77W wrote:
SleeplessInZh wrote:
Personal recommendation for improvement:


2.) I think MIAA should consider opening an express line for premium passengers at NAIA to help minimize the crowding at security lines



This is something they should have been doing long ago even before in T3. Even when you fly Business with Cathay, SQ, or Emirates, you still have to endure long, terribly managed queues in Passport Control and Security. Tarnishes the Airlines' product experience in a way.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 5:54 am

SkyHigher wrote:
PR77W wrote:
SleeplessInZh wrote:


Personal recommendation for improvement:

1.) For the lounge PAL is supposed to open a lounge at T1 which should minimize the congestion at the PAGS lounge. But If they where to move all international flights to T1, which is likely then maybe expand the upcoming lounge or open a 2nd lounge.

2.) I think MIAA should consider opening an express line for premium passengers at NAIA to help minimize the crowding at security lines

3.) PAL should consider adding additional amenity for trans-pacific flights like pajamas and mattress pad or sheet.


1. I wonder when will PAL open the Mabuhay Lounge at 4F of T1. PAGSS (not PAGS) Lounge might be bad but I think they'll be renovating both lounges (near Gate 2 and 7) once the former opens sometime this year.

2. Express lanes for all First and Biz class (premium economy may also be considered) passengers in MNL is a good idea, but the space on the current infrastructure may be a problem.

3. I really hope PAL would add sleepwear, but bedsheet, I think the material on current long haul biz class seats used in NA and European flights is apparently comfortable enough.


The last time I flew out of T2, there were old signs at immigration directing First Class pax to special lanes, but First Class is long gone. Would be a good idea to extend this priviledge to PR's Business/upper tier MM members.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 5:32 pm

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I can't find a bigger image...is this it :?: .....

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Yep, thats it. Here's a bigger image.
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Its an exciting time for rail development in Metro Manila. I appreciate the synergies these rail projects have with other forms of transportation in Metro Manila. Once all these projects are done, you'll be connected to all forms of transportation be it, air, rail, bus and even ship! The more people off the roads, the better.

Once Clark develops its own catchment area, It'll be great to have even more choice of flights a quick hour or so away in addition to NAIA and SMC Bulacan Airport/Sangley (If they for sure happen). Hopefully expectation will be better than reality. :smile: :scratchchin:
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 5:44 pm

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Once Clark develops its own catchment area, It'll be great to have even more choice of flights a quick hour or so away in addition to NAIA and SMC Bulacan Airport/Sangley (If they for sure happen). Hopefully expectation will be better than reality. :smile:

I think one of the best things which could happen at NAIA is for the Consortium to create something comparable to CEB's MCIA T1..... :bigthumbsup: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Tue May 28, 2019 6:06 pm

OMG! it's empty! (referring to the photos of Cebu above)

T1 in NAIA still works, I flew out of it a month ago on a Thai flight to Bangkok. As an OAP, I had a check-in line for myself, passport control a breeze, security check no queue, all done very fast and easy. Still had to take off my belt, for reasons that still escape me! Overpriced shops and restaurants, but that's everywhere!

Much more important than the facilities in T1 was the fact that the flight departed on time, taxied out on time, and did not wait hours before being cleared for takeoff!

Actually, the flight arrived in BKK ahead of advertised arrival time! Made the connection easier!
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 6:58 pm

sassiciai wrote:
OMG! it's empty! (referring to the photos of Cebu above)

:laughing: Wait until it's finished and operational...as CEB's domestic terminal, expect it to be teeming with people! :crowded:


sassiciai wrote:
Still had to take off my belt, for reasons that still escape me!

Does it have a metal buckle or tiny pockets inside which can hold something :?:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 3:10 am

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WOW that's amazing, will make CEB T1 the best domestic airports in the country. Wish this is what will happen to T2 in NAIA if MIAA is still pushing to converted it to a domestic terminal. Curious though will PAL open a bigger Mabuhay lounge at T1 in CEB?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 3:13 am

So apparently PR has a new in-flight system? I flew on their A330 late April and it was still the "old" one.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 4:53 am

Arrived in CEB T1 a few days ago. The renovation is really starting to go into full swing, and a new pick-up area was open for private vehicles.

filipinoavgeek wrote:
So apparently PR has a new in-flight system? I flew on their A330 late April and it was still the "old" one.


You might have been flying on one of the -876X aircraft. They still keep some A330s in the old high-density config for some of the busier routes.

All of the new config A333s have regs starting with -878X...

PR77W wrote:
WOW that's amazing, will make CEB T1 the best domestic airports in the country. Wish this is what will happen to T2 in NAIA if MIAA is still pushing to converted it to a domestic terminal. Curious though will PAL open a bigger Mabuhay lounge at T1 in CEB?


The old international portion is still closed for renovation, hopefully they'll take over the old Plaza Premium Lounge space.
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Thu May 30, 2019 4:47 pm

fusionliner wrote:
Once Clark develops its own catchment area, It'll be great to have even more choice of flights a quick hour or so away in addition to NAIA

According to this, ROW acquisition for the NSCR project is 90% complete.....

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1124809/c ... y-complete


GMR/Megawide have to expedite the roofing installation at CRK T2 in view of the oncoming rainy season..... :raincloud: .....

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and SMC Bulacan Airport/Sangley (If they for sure happen). Hopefully expectation will be better than reality.

If they were eventually awarded the Bulakan project, SMC might extend MRT7 to its airport...or together with the government, construct a spur line from either the Bocaue or Marilao station of the NSCR.....

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However, a better option could be to simply build the coastal highway extension from R-10 to provide a faster, alternative land connection to the new gateway from southern NCR -- like this.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hIoMxu39U


PR77W wrote:
Wish this is what will happen to T2 in NAIA if MIAA is still pushing to converted it to a domestic terminal.

Unfortunately, MIAA has not publicly revealed renderings for the ongoing improvements in the Centennial Terminal. Hopefully, the NAIA Consortium would do a much more thorough and tasteful renovation of the three airport terminals...and maybe include this to connect the terminals to the planned NAIA LRT station..... :crossfingers: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 5:38 pm

The renderings for MCIA's Terminal 1 are indeed impressive. From an aesthetic point of view, it might actually be my favorite compared to Terminal 2. The clean, sleek and sophisticated lines coupled with the organic textures of the Philippines, really stand out and emphasize minimalist modern sophistication :smile:

Devilfish wrote:
According to this, ROW acquisition for the NSCR project is 90% complete.....

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1124809/c ... y-complete



I wonder how much they needed to be cleared? For the most part, the PNR right-of-way was cleared back during President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's era. I'm curious though if those highrise apartments in Manila near Osmeña Highway and Quirino will get demolished since they are technically on PNR RoW.

Devilfish wrote:
fusionliner wrote:
and SMC Bulacan Airport/Sangley (If they for sure happen). Hopefully expectation will be better than reality.

If they were eventually awarded the Bulakan project, SMC might extend MRT7 to its airport...or together with the government, construct a spur line from either the Bocaue or Marilao station of the NSCR.....


However, a better option could be to simply build the coastal highway extension from R-10 to provide a faster, alternative land connection to the new gateway from southern NCR -- like this.....



I definitely see that happening. They are already building that road from SJDM to Bocaue so they could easily build it on the right of way but also, the new North Integrated Transport Terminal is being built on the Philippine Arena grounds and if they were to connect to that station and Bocaue PNR, it would help solve the problem of lack of connectivity of the Philippine Arena complex and of course, connect Manila to the Bulakan Airport.

Hopefully R-10 gets extended all the way to Bulacan. That was the original plan, and on the bright side, they finished extending it to Navotas
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Thu May 30, 2019 8:06 pm

Routes Online Podcast w/ Ryan Uy, VP Sales @ PAL on future expansion plans speaking at Routes Asia 2019 in Cebu.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/284593/philippine-airlines-ryan-uy-sets-out-expansion-plans/
 
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Thu May 30, 2019 10:33 pm

fusionliner wrote:
Routes Online Podcast w/ Ryan Uy, VP Sales @ PAL on future expansion plans speaking at Routes Asia 2019 in Cebu.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/284593/philippine-airlines-ryan-uy-sets-out-expansion-plans/


And listed again are the usual suspect destinations. With what aircraft such expansion would be pursued was not mentioned. Those plans may be tempered by these however.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... ead-re-ipo

Quote:
"'This year, we hope that we will be able to improve our operations, our profitability, as we are managing capacity. We will reduce flights to destinations where there is excess capacity like Middle East. We will also stop flying to some domestic routes where we are not able to recover all our expenses. We will implement strict cost saving measures so we will at least reduce expenses and be profitable this year,' he said.

PAL also welcomed the appointment of new member of the company’s board of directors. Ryuhei Maeda, senior advisor at ANA Holdings Inc. and member of the board of Japanese carrier All Nippon Airways Co. Ltd., completed the 15-member PAL board. Maeda was also elected into the board of directors of PAL Holdings, the flag carrier’s parent firm."




Over in the PAS 2019 thread, speculation is rife about 5J's A330 replacement plan...negating earlier doubts about it..... :airplane: .....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cebu ... SKCN1T015G

Quote:
"Cebu Air Inc is close to an order for either Airbus 330neo or Boeing 787 aircraft, the CEO of the Philippines’ largest airline said on Thursday. The carrier, which operates under the Cebu Pacific brand, is looking for deliveries in 2020 and 2021, CEO Lance Gokongwei told Reuters, declining to disclose the likely size of the order.

Cebu Air is considering an order for up to 16 aircraft, aviation website Flightglobal has reported. The new widebody jets will replace the existing A330 fleet, most of which are leased, Gokongwei said."



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Fri May 31, 2019 3:36 am

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Over in the PAS 2019 thread, speculation is rife about 5J's A330 replacement plan...negating earlier doubts about it..... :airplane: .....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cebu ... SKCN1T015G

Quote:
"Cebu Air Inc is close to an order for either Airbus 330neo or Boeing 787 aircraft, the CEO of the Philippines’ largest airline said on Thursday. The carrier, which operates under the Cebu Pacific brand, is looking for deliveries in 2020 and 2021, CEO Lance Gokongwei told Reuters, declining to disclose the likely size of the order.

Cebu Air is considering an order for up to 16 aircraft, aviation website Flightglobal has reported. The new widebody jets will replace the existing A330 fleet, most of which are leased, Gokongwei said."




Since 5J have previously mentioned that new wide-body aircrafts will be mainly on regional within asia. I wouldn't be surprised if they order the A330neo since it has commonality with there existing A333 in terms of crew training and maintenance. Also the can retain the 436 seat all-economy high density layout. However the biggest difference between the ceo and neo, is the neo can operate without payload restrictions due to the neo higher MTOW either 242t or 251t. Will just have to wait and see during the Paris Air Show.
 
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Fri May 31, 2019 10:22 am

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You might have been flying on one of the -876X aircraft. They still keep some A330s in the old high-density config for some of the busier routes.


Didn't catch what the registration was, but it was one of the tri-class A330s with the new business class and premium economy as well as 2-4-2 economy, so I guess it was probably one of the formerly all-economy A330s.
 
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Fri May 31, 2019 10:25 am

PR77W wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
Over in the PAS 2019 thread, speculation is rife about 5J's A330 replacement plan...negating earlier doubts about it..... :airplane: .....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cebu ... SKCN1T015G

Quote:
"Cebu Air Inc is close to an order for either Airbus 330neo or Boeing 787 aircraft, the CEO of the Philippines’ largest airline said on Thursday. The carrier, which operates under the Cebu Pacific brand, is looking for deliveries in 2020 and 2021, CEO Lance Gokongwei told Reuters, declining to disclose the likely size of the order.

Cebu Air is considering an order for up to 16 aircraft, aviation website Flightglobal has reported. The new widebody jets will replace the existing A330 fleet, most of which are leased, Gokongwei said."




Since 5J have previously mentioned that new wide-body aircrafts will be mainly on regional within asia. I wouldn't be surprised if they order the A330neo since it has commonality with there existing A333 in terms of crew training and maintenance. Also the can retain the 436 seat all-economy high density layout. However the biggest difference between the ceo and neo, is the neo can operate without payload restrictions due to the neo higher MTOW either 242t or 251t. Will just have to wait and see during the Paris Air Show.


If 5J is seriously interested in North America later on, they should really consider the 787 or the A350 (the 787 as it's more capable than the A330neo for long-haul, and the A350 for commonality). The A330neo probably fits their current goals (they seem to not want to start new long-hauls in the short-term, so sticking to something they're familiar with might be okay if they simply want to focus on upgauging existing routes), but I fear it might limit their potential should they decide to expand further.
 
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Fri May 31, 2019 11:15 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
PR77W wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
Over in the PAS 2019 thread, speculation is rife about 5J's A330 replacement plan...negating earlier doubts about it..... :airplane: .....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cebu ... SKCN1T015G

Quote:
"Cebu Air Inc is close to an order for either Airbus 330neo or Boeing 787 aircraft, the CEO of the Philippines’ largest airline said on Thursday. The carrier, which operates under the Cebu Pacific brand, is looking for deliveries in 2020 and 2021, CEO Lance Gokongwei told Reuters, declining to disclose the likely size of the order.

Cebu Air is considering an order for up to 16 aircraft, aviation website Flightglobal has reported. The new widebody jets will replace the existing A330 fleet, most of which are leased, Gokongwei said."




Since 5J have previously mentioned that new wide-body aircrafts will be mainly on regional within asia. I wouldn't be surprised if they order the A330neo since it has commonality with there existing A333 in terms of crew training and maintenance. Also the can retain the 436 seat all-economy high density layout. However the biggest difference between the ceo and neo, is the neo can operate without payload restrictions due to the neo higher MTOW either 242t or 251t. Will just have to wait and see during the Paris Air Show.


If 5J is seriously interested in North America later on, they should really consider the 787 or the A350 (the 787 as it's more capable than the A330neo for long-haul, and the A350 for commonality). The A330neo probably fits their current goals (they seem to not want to start new long-hauls in the short-term, so sticking to something they're familiar with might be okay if they simply want to focus on upgauging existing routes), but I fear it might limit their potential should they decide to expand further.


Based on 5J’s financial performance in the last two years, its last two ‘long-haul’ flights, ie. DXB&SYD, continue to do okay. Some quarters were stellar, with some middling. And that’s after dropping all routes with similar flight times from MNL. They have a long way to go before actually venturing into any true long-haul routes, which they realized too back in 2017, thus changing their fleet planning.

Unless 5J shifts to a business model that considers premium passengers, there really is no reason to be buying any new widebodies, and that’s for both the NEO and the Dreamliner. A 436-seat A333, with its comparatively lower lease rates and paid for capital expenditure, is still 5J’s best option to shuttle 300+ passengers within the Philippines and around Asia.

Besides, no low-cost all economy airline has truly succeded venturing into true long-haul flights.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 3:31 pm

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Philippine747 wrote:
You might have been flying on one of the -876X aircraft. They still keep some A330s in the old high-density config for some of the busier routes.


Didn't catch what the registration was, but it was one of the tri-class A330s with the new business class and premium economy as well as 2-4-2 economy, so I guess it was probably one of the formerly all-economy A330s.


Yep, that's the new config! All of the new config frames are the old 414 seat ones.
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Fri May 31, 2019 3:42 pm

carlokiii wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
PR77W wrote:

Since 5J have previously mentioned that new wide-body aircrafts will be mainly on regional within asia. I wouldn't be surprised if they order the A330neo since it has commonality with there existing A333 in terms of crew training and maintenance. Also the can retain the 436 seat all-economy high density layout. However the biggest difference between the ceo and neo, is the neo can operate without payload restrictions due to the neo higher MTOW either 242t or 251t. Will just have to wait and see during the Paris Air Show.


If 5J is seriously interested in North America later on, they should really consider the 787 or the A350 (the 787 as it's more capable than the A330neo for long-haul, and the A350 for commonality). The A330neo probably fits their current goals (they seem to not want to start new long-hauls in the short-term, so sticking to something they're familiar with might be okay if they simply want to focus on upgauging existing routes), but I fear it might limit their potential should they decide to expand further.


Based on 5J’s financial performance in the last two years, its last two ‘long-haul’ flights, ie. DXB&SYD, continue to do okay. Some quarters were stellar, with some middling. And that’s after dropping all routes with similar flight times from MNL. They have a long way to go before actually venturing into any true long-haul routes, which they realized too back in 2017, thus changing their fleet planning.

Unless 5J shifts to a business model that considers premium passengers, there really is no reason to be buying any new widebodies, and that’s for both the NEO and the Dreamliner. A 436-seat A333, with its comparatively lower lease rates and paid for capital expenditure, is still 5J’s best option to shuttle 300+ passengers within the Philippines and around Asia.

Besides, no low-cost all economy airline has truly succeded venturing into true long-haul flights.


A premium product on the A333s ala Scoot/Norwegian's offering on their 787s can be a potential revenue earner for 5J. They can also compete for higher-paying pax from PR and to a limited extent, Z2, on the MNL-CEB/DVO milk runs, as well as the Asian regional routes. However, it would be a hard sell for premium pax loyal to PR, as some, if not most of them are MM Elite/Premier Elite/Million Milers, who enjoy the benefits that come with it.

On the other hand, how is MNL-MEL doing?
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Fri May 31, 2019 7:48 pm

Switching now on to a lighter vein...it seems my illusion may have a glimmer of hope after all..... :cheerful: .....

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However, with the direction the winds are blowing lately, it might be an MBJ prototype that could finally replace good ole' Bluebird..... :biggrin: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:56 am

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On the other hand, how is MNL-MEL doing?


A report from CAPA which discuss the slowing growth of MEL over the last decade. It mentions that MNL-MEL is find although it will take some time for the market to fully absorb the surge in capacity.

Melbourne-Philippines capacity has tripled over the past year due to the launch of flights from Cebu Pacific and additional flights from Philippine Airlines. While it could take some time for this surge in capacity to be absorbed, further growth is possible over the medium to long term – given the rise in demand for Melbourne-Philippines travel from both ends.


Unlike SYD, QF doesn't operate direct flights between MEL and MNL which means only PAL and CEB are competing with each other and gives some room for both airlines. Personally I would avoid fly CEB A330 on flights longer then three hour since its going to be a tight squeeze :crowded: I would rather fly with PAL or find the cheapest one stop fare then flight direct with CEB on MNL-MEL.

Link to the original report:
https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ows-473365
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:32 pm

RSA is saying their proposed express train to the new gateway in Bulakan would cut travel time from EDSA to just 15 minutes..... :scratchchin: .....

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019 ... se-traffic

Quote:
"Another project is the express train from Metro Manila to the proposed Bulacan Airport and the new airport itself. Ang said the express train would translate to travel time of only 15 minutes from EDSA to Bulacan. As for the airport, Ang said SMC is ready to jumpstart the $15-billion Bulacan airport project as soon it hurdles the Swiss challenge.

He said the company’s airport proposal has been subjected to a Swiss challenge, but he does not expect any other party to make a bid for the big infrastructure project."



Note how the complete package price ballooned. :house: A spur from the main NSCR line where the express train could run is perhaps the easiest and cheapest way to do that. :spin:



I guess folks here are wary of discussing current events so no one is commenting on post #485 above... :ziplip: ...or just not nerdy enough? :geek:

Anyway...for regional work, the MRJ70 would be good enough if configured for an ~18 pax premium cabin, conference/dining section, stateroom/bath, galley/bar, cabin lavs...and part of the baggage hold redesigned to tank additional fuel which could give it a range of say 3,500nm..... :arrow: .....

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The problem is the company has barely begun work on it and the prototype above is the only existing example. :airplane:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:24 am

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If they were eventually awarded the Bulakan project, SMC might extend MRT7 to its airport...or together with the government, construct a spur line from either the Bocaue or Marilao station of the NSCR.....

MRT-7 will only end at SJDM, no more no less. As proposed, an expressway will be built that will connect the Line 7 City to NLEX in Bocaue.

RSA is saying their proposed express train to the new gateway in Bulakan would cut travel time from EDSA to just 15 minutes..... :scratchchin: .....

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019 ... se-traffic

Quote:
"Another project is the express train from Metro Manila to the proposed Bulacan Airport and the new airport itself. Ang said the express train would translate to travel time of only 15 minutes from EDSA to Bulacan. As for the airport, Ang said SMC is ready to jumpstart the $15-billion Bulacan airport project as soon it hurdles the Swiss challenge.

He said the company’s airport proposal has been subjected to a Swiss challenge, but he does not expect any other party to make a bid for the big infrastructure project."



Note how the complete package price ballooned. :house: A spur from the main NSCR line where the express train could run is perhaps the easiest and cheapest way to do that. :spin:


I always think that the rail component of San Miguel's NMIA in Bulacan could be connected to the Tutuban-CRK section of PNR NSCR, might as well the proposed North ITX in Bocaue (if DOTr affirms the location which is in INC's Ciudad de Victoria). But no one knows exactly the plan.


I guess folks here are wary of discussing current events so no one is commenting on post #485 above... :ziplip: ...or just not nerdy enough? :geek:
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Because we do not know if A220 or MRJ is feasible for local airlines, as an alternative to turboprops. It's up on BOD and top executives if they will order those regional jets for smaller airports served usually by turboprops.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:36 am

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RP-C8612 (Mainline A320) is now flying for PALex. Entered revenue service on May 2, on MNL-TAC-MNL.


According to Arianespace PAL will transfer three A320 to GAP this year, which will reduce PAL fleet to just 4 A320 until 2021. He also mentioned that by 2021 PAL removed its remaining A320 from its mainline fleet and consolidating its narrow-body fleet with the A321/21N.

Note mainline means only PAL fleet and not including GAP fleet which will continue to operate the A320 for the time beaing.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:28 am

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Philippine747 wrote:
RP-C8612 (Mainline A320) is now flying for PALex. Entered revenue service on May 2, on MNL-TAC-MNL.


According to Arianespace PAL will transfer three A320 to GAP this year, which will reduce PAL fleet to just 4 A320 until 2021. He also mentioned that by 2021 PAL removed its remaining A320 from its mainline fleet and consolidating its narrow-body fleet with the A321/21N.

Note mainline means only PAL fleet and not including GAP fleet which will continue to operate the A320 for the time beaing.


This could mean that GAP could take on more flying from mainline. On the other hand, the Mainline fleet will be simplified with the removal of the CFM-powered A320s, leaving it with the IAE and PW. :smile:
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:18 pm

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Because we do not know if A220 or MRJ is feasible for local airlines, as an alternative to turboprops. It's up on BOD and top executives if they will order those regional jets for smaller airports served usually by turboprops.

I guess you missed my description of the airplane layout and did not know 'Bluebird'..... :P .....


Small jetliners cannot not beat turboprop economics on short domestic, lower capacity routes (not enough pax willing to pay high fares to offset increased commercial ops costs). :airplane:



Couldn't wait to see if PR would go for this..... :goodvibes: .....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... us-458630/
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:20 am

Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
Because we do not know if A220 or MRJ is feasible for local airlines, as an alternative to turboprops. It's up on BOD and top executives if they will order those regional jets for smaller airports served usually by turboprops.

I guess you missed my description of the airplane layout and did not know 'Bluebird'..... :P .....


Small jetliners cannot not beat turboprop economics on short domestic, lower capacity routes (not enough pax willing to pay high fares to offset increased commercial ops costs). :airplane:

Couldn't wait to see if PR would go for this..... :goodvibes: .....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... us-458630/


Since Devlifish has been pushing for PAL to order the A321XLR which is not impossible as PR has still options or purchase rights for additional A320neo family aircraft.

I'm far more curious though what will more suited to replace GAP A320ceo fleet. which will likely remain for a couple more years. I believe that they will pick the A320neo for crew training commonality and maintenance, though I can also so see the A220-300 if the A320neo is not available or if Airbus would give PAL a discount :dollarsign: :airplane:
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:56 pm

http://www.manilastandard.net/mobile/article/296531

I was waiting for this to come!maybe The B777x for PAL
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:34 pm

PR77W wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
Because we do not know if A220 or MRJ is feasible for local airlines, as an alternative to turboprops. It's up on BOD and top executives if they will order those regional jets for smaller airports served usually by turboprops.

I guess you missed my description of the airplane layout and did not know 'Bluebird'..... :P .....


Small jetliners cannot not beat turboprop economics on short domestic, lower capacity routes (not enough pax willing to pay high fares to offset increased commercial ops costs). :airplane:

Couldn't wait to see if PR would go for this..... :goodvibes: .....

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... us-458630/


Since Devlifish has been pushing for PAL to order the A321XLR which is not impossible as PR has still options or purchase rights for additional A320neo family aircraft.

I'm far more curious though what will more suited to replace GAP A320ceo fleet. which will likely remain for a couple more years. I believe that they will pick the A320neo for crew training commonality and maintenance, though I can also so see the A220-300 if the A320neo is not available or if Airbus would give PAL a discount :dollarsign: :airplane:


GAP's A320 fleet isn't up for replacement yet. Not even close. RP-C8604 (ex PR) will be their oldest and it's a 2007 build. When the time comes, the logical replacement will be A320/A321 NEOs in high density config.
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:59 pm

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I was waiting for this to come!maybe The B777x for PAL

Their president had these to say about expansion and new acquisitions relative to that.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... -star-goal

Quote:
"He said the carrier hopes to have a new lounge should the consortium looking to rehabilitate the Ninoy Aquino International Airport decide to put up a Terminal 2 annex.

Terminal 2 is a domestic airport. It’s designed for domestic operations but we’re operating international flights that’s why as much as possible, I wanted all our long haul flights to be in Terminal 1. We need Terminal 2 annex designed for international operations,” he said.

Among the initiatives it has already undertaken are its recent upgrade to a more advanced passenger service system, improvements in products and customer services, as well as fleet and route network expansion."



Airbus will not be ready with an Ultrafan-powered A35K by 2020 so Boeing may try to get a jump on them by offering PR a very good deal on the 778, presumably. The carrier is reportedly mulling taking on a second investor through their re-IPO. Regarding the airport experience, PASBS.com has this piece.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... affic.html

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And this over at CEB..... :crowded: .....

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When the time comes, the logical replacement will be A320/A321 NEOs in high density config.

Maybe after the Super Consortium have completed the improvements at NAIA and hopefully PAL gets its wished for Annex, congestion there will have decreased significantly...then they might consider the A223 or even the mooted A225. :scratchchin:
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:45 am

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[i]"He said the carrier hopes to have a new lounge should the consortium looking to rehabilitate the Ninoy Aquino International Airport decide to put up a Terminal 2 annex.


I noticed they have been silent about the planned lounge in the North Wing of T2...

Personally though, PR shouldn't concentrate too much on MNL during their expansion efforts. CEB is a bit neglected, with no new international routes lately. DVO has a bit of potential (though they must time it well to prevent ramp congestion).
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:45 am

Singapore will have an all-lie flat seating in business class by 2022.even their Silk air with the narrowbodies.I hope PAL is not making the mistake to install recliners in A321neos AFC.PAL should follow Singapore Airlines Strategy.
They will WOW the world, they shouldn't lose this opportunity, by also aiming to an `All-lie-flat Business` in their fleet
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:33 am

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Singapore will have an all-lie flat seating in business class by 2022.even their Silk air with the narrowbodies.I hope PAL is not making the mistake to install recliners in A321neos AFC.PAL should follow Singapore Airlines Strategy.
They will WOW the world, they shouldn't lose this opportunity, by also aiming to an `All-lie-flat Business` in their fleet


Not very many people are willing to pay J fares on short haul flights, especially in the Philippines. Even CX will not be letting go of its recliners anytime soon. It’s a waste of resources and cabin space. PAL should concentrate on making money first
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:38 pm

LurveBus wrote:
SleeplessInZh wrote:
Singapore will have an all-lie flat seating in business class by 2022.even their Silk air with the narrowbodies.I hope PAL is not making the mistake to install recliners in A321neos AFC.PAL should follow Singapore Airlines Strategy.
They will WOW the world, they shouldn't lose this opportunity, by also aiming to an `All-lie-flat Business` in their fleet


Not very many people are willing to pay J fares on short haul flights, especially in the Philippines. Even CX will not be letting go of its recliners anytime soon. It’s a waste of resources and cabin space. PAL should concentrate on making money first


I forgot to say, that this 'all lie flat seat' are meant to be flying internationally, like singapore.the older A321s can be transferred for domestic use and to PAL express (with the Philippines Express paint on the fuselage)
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:14 pm

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I noticed they have been silent about the planned lounge in the North Wing of T2...

I assume they would just let the MIAA decide what to do with it...with PR transferring their international ops to NAIA T1 and only domestic staying at T2.



These are the reasons I'm bullish about the A321XLR..... :spin: .....

https://leehamnews.com/2019/06/06/how-u ... s-a321xlr/

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"The larger fuel volume is needed to stay in the air longer than the present nine hours of the A321LR. The A321XLR adds another hour and a half to the A321LR’s capability. This longer flying time translates to an additional 500nm of range with the same passenger load.

For a three-class cabin with a business section with lie-flat seats, we land at 150 to 160 seat cabins. There is not the place for more than 6 to 20 life flat seats combined with a 24 seat extended legroom Premium section, then the typical 18 rows of six abreast economy seats at 30-inch to 31-inch pitch, for a long-range three-class cabin of 150 seats.

This as the seat mile cost of the A321LR and A321XLR is the same as the costs of flying the same passenger on an A330neo or Boeing 787. But while these require a minimum of 220 passengers per departure to make a route viable, an A321XLR would work with routes offering 140 passengers per departure. With the same operating cost per seat as the next step-up widebodies, the A321XLR is a very flexible tool for an airline."



Unfortunately, still not viable enough for AKL-MNL apparently. :sigh: Perhaps PR must stick with the 180-pax, two-class configuration :?: More on PR's fleet plan below..... :airplane: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... g-aircraft



SMC is back in the news again.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... mment-form


With the bid opening reset for end of July this year, there doesn't seem to be another proponent prepared to challenge SMC's landbank-backed OPS advantage. :scratchchin:
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Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos