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ANA has increased capacity on NRT-BOM from a 5x weekly B737 to daily 787-9 in the space of 5 years
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:53 am

Nice to see JAL and ANA add BLR and MAA non stops. I always thought Japanese carriers could use more non-stops to India than let SQ, MH, TG, CX/KA take all the pax. I believe they could also capture a portion of the west coast US- pax. BLR-NRT-SFO/SEA/LAX is significantly shorter than routing via FRA or middle east.
 
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ANA has increased capacity on NRT-BOM from a 5x weekly B737 to daily 787-9 in the space of 5 years


The increase has been mainly because of AI dropping BOM -- Japan routes. (They did operate via HKG)
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:16 am

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Nice to see JAL and ANA add BLR and MAA non stops. I always thought Japanese carriers could use more non-stops to India than let SQ, MH, TG, CX/KA take all the pax. I believe they could also capture a portion of the west coast US- pax. BLR-NRT-SFO/SEA/LAX is significantly shorter than routing via FRA or middle east.


They should next consider HYD. Thus all the southern metros will get a decent and convenient connection to West coast USA. BLR/HYD- SFO through Japan must be much quicker than ME3/Europe options (that again subject to layover times).
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:20 am

BLR-NRT confirmed timings
JAL NRT 1825 0005(+1) BLR
JAL BLR 0245 1455 NRT
(Flight numbers not yet decided)
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:20 am

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The increase has been mainly because of AI dropping BOM -- Japan routes. (They did operate via HKG)


BOM- HKG is a big hole in AI's East-Asia network. I believe they operate that as a one-stop through DEL now.
 
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binayak wrote:

The increase has been mainly because of AI dropping BOM -- Japan routes. (They did operate via HKG)


BOM- HKG is a big hole in AI's East-Asia network. I believe they operate that as a one-stop through DEL now.


Yes they operate it as a one stop via DEL and those flights continue from HKG to ICN and KIX.

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BLR-NRT confirmed timings
JAL NRT 1825 0005(+1) BLR
JAL BLR 0245 1455 NRT
(Flight numbers not yet decided)

Do they connect with US flights?

I feel ANA should also try to get a share in India US traffic. Their BOM flight doesn't connect with their US bound ones.
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:02 am

Well its official!

JAL Press Release on website regarding BLR non stop:-
http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/20190 ... 1548237249
 
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sand26391 wrote:
BLR-NRT confirmed timings
JAL NRT 1825 0005(+1) BLR
JAL BLR 0245 1455 NRT
(Flight numbers not yet decided)

Do they connect with US flights?

I feel ANA should also try to get a share in India US traffic. Their BOM flight doesn't connect with their US bound ones.


Yes, pax can connect to the late afternoon / early evening oneworld flights to LAX and YVR. DFW and ORD are also available but the routing would be 2-3 hours longer as opposed to LHR. Just realized there is no oneworld non-stop between NRT-SFO, only a single daily HND-SFO at 7:45pm.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:31 am

Good news for Banglore and Madras. I did fly ANA from BOM to NRT on the B789, it was pretty good, I also flew AI from BOM to HKG via DEL not that good of an experience, even though I won't be flying HKG anytime soon, but I hope Indigo starts flights to HKG from BOM. At the moment I am just waiting for new flights from BOM especially BOM to IST by Indigo.
 
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IndiGo Q3 results:
Net profit: Rs 191 cr vs Rs 762 cr
Revenue up 28%
ASKM up 33%
Yield up 3.5%
CASK up 14%

IndiGo will most likely post its first annual loss this year
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:27 am

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IndiGo Q3 results:
Net profit: Rs 191 cr vs Rs 762 cr
Revenue up 28%
ASKM up 33%
Yield up 3.5%
CASK up 14%

IndiGo will most likely post its first annual loss this year


unable to find the yield figures online. can u share a link. also wud u know the LFs for the quarter. Read somewhere that traffic grew 23% while ASKM grew 33%
 
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unable to find the yield figures online. can u share a link. also wud u know the LFs for the quarter. Read somewhere that traffic grew 23% while ASKM grew 33%

https://www.bseindia.com/xml-data/corpf ... 1a6111.pdf
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Thanks.
 
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IndiGo Q3 concall updates

IndiGo to launch flights to Istanbul from March. Fliers can connect to several points across Europe on TK from IST
Capacity growth next quarter will be 34%, next year around 25%, split 70% domestic and 30% international
Carries just 6% of international traffic from India, room to expand this significantly
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:52 pm

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Nice to see JAL and ANA add BLR and MAA non stops. I always thought Japanese carriers could use more non-stops to India than let SQ, MH, TG, CX/KA take all the pax. I believe they could also capture a portion of the west coast US- pax. BLR-NRT-SFO/SEA/LAX is significantly shorter than routing via FRA or middle east.


JL doesn't serve SFO from NRT, only HND. They do however fly to LAX and SAN. And I believe they have announced SEA beginning March 2019.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:07 pm

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Share of A321neos in fleet mix to increase, to be used on international and slot constrained domestic operations


So they'll be flying mostly out of DEL & BOM for domestic.

AI does the reverse, they use many A319's out of slot constrained airports like BOM, that too on trunk routes like BOM-BLR/MAA/CCU. Retarded as they are.
 
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Of what “good”/use is the BLR to NRT route if it doesn’t connect to SFO (the 2 great software centers). Separately does the BLR NRT flight connect to the JFK flight and if yes, what is the total flight time using that route BLR to JFK
 
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From which cities does Indigo propose to provide direct flight service to IST?

Of what “good”/use is the BLR to NRT route if it doesn’t connect to SFO (the 2 great software centers). Separately does the BLR NRT flight connect to the JFK flight and if yes, what is the total flight time using that route BLR to JFK
 
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From which cities does Indigo propose to provide direct flight service to IST?

Of what “good”/use is the BLR to NRT route if it doesn’t connect to SFO (the 2 great software centers). Separately does the BLR NRT flight connect to the JFK flight and if yes, what is the total flight time using that route BLR to JFK

DEL will be the first. BLR could be next. Can the A321neo fly BLR IST non stop
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How many aircraft will Vistara receive in the next 3 months? Zero?
 
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Turkish already flies to New Delhi. If they need more capacity they could simply upguage
 
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Indigo would be better served by connecting Istanbul to Amritsar or Ahmedabad, and Bangalore, in my opinion
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:40 pm

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edealinfo wrote:
From which cities does Indigo propose to provide direct flight service to IST?

Of what “good”/use is the BLR to NRT route if it doesn’t connect to SFO (the 2 great software centers). Separately does the BLR NRT flight connect to the JFK flight and if yes, what is the total flight time using that route BLR to JFK

DEL will be the first. BLR could be next. Can the A321neo fly BLR IST non stop


Yes, even I heard this but won't it be touch & go for the 321N with blr ist range (acc to gcmap) being ~3500nm.... let's see where this news goes.
 
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Turkish already flies to New Delhi. If they need more capacity they could simply upguage

Yeild is driven by frequency. High yeild passengers want:
1. An early (but not to early) first thing in the morning to get there for business flight.
2. An after the morning meeting, nut before lunch flight.
3. An after lunch flight.
4. After work flight
5. After kids soccer game flight
6. Red-eye flight after putting kids & spuse to bed (or at least after dinner), but during sleeping time in that lie flat seat.

Yeild keeps improving until those basis are covered. As Istanbul has no curfew, they could accommodate all. Lower yielding cities should be secondary.

Now, trim the above to match TK hub waves. But frequency helps drive yeild (until too many seats are offered).

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Is KL ever going to start BLR-AMS, or are they content with leaving this route to 9W?
 
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I understand that frequency drives yield but wouldn’t more capacity on an exiting Turkish flight yield more that one Turkish and one Indigo flight when the latter’s hard and soft service is so much inferior? Which businessperson who opt for that?
 
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In my opinion, KLM May more likely opt for HYD (3x weekly) than select BLR. but that will likely happen only in 2 or more years
 
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INDIGO'S FLIGHTS FROM INDIA TO ISTANBUL WILL LIKELY BE FROM ONE OF THESE 8 INDIAN CITIES

The following fairly recent (Dec 2018) link indicates that Turkish (if it had more rights) would have selected Chennai, Kolkata, Ahmedabad, Hyderabad, Amritsar and Bengaluru (in addition to doubling flights to Mumbai and Delhi). Since Turkish doesn't have the rights, Indigo is most likely going to pick one of these 8 listed cities.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 664558.ece

Let's start the guessing game and each person should select two cities so we can, once the routes are announced, see who had the best foresight! [If some of the 8 cities are beyond the reasonable reach of Indigo's A321, please call them out, so we know that they would technically be out of contention)

Separately, does anyone know if the Indian - Turkish bilateral is governed by the number of frequencies (14X weekly) or by the number of seats (AAAA seats weekly)?
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INDIGO'S FLIGHTS FROM INDIA TO NEW DELHI WILL LIKELY BE FROM ONE OF THESE 8 INDIAN CITIES

The following fairly recent (Dec 2018) link indicates that Turkish (if it had more rights) would have selected Chennai, Kolkata, Ahmedabad, Hyderabad, Amritsar and Bengaluru (in addition to doubling flights to Mumbai and Delhi). Since Turkish doesn't have the rights, Indigo is most likely going to pick one of these 8 listed cities.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ec ... 664558.ece

Let's start the guessing game and each person should select two cities so we can, once the routes are announced, see who had the best foresight!

Separately, does anyone know if the Indian - Turkish bilateral is governed by the number of frequencies (14X weekly) or by the number of seats (AAAA seats weekly)?


Finally Indigo and TK making sense. Indigo should absolutely chose a new city (not BOM/DEL),. The bilateral is frequencies.
 
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So everytime I have flown AMS-BOM (meaning checking in at AMS), the check has been done by KLM staff wearing KLM uniforms. So what’s up with this video? I think Jet staff were at the gate.
 
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Is KL ever going to start BLR-AMS, or are they content with leaving this route to 9W?


KLM is more likely to start Hyderabad per this 14-month old article:
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 344_1.html
 
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So everytime I have flown AMS-BOM (meaning checking in at AMS), the check has been done by KLM staff wearing KLM uniforms. So what’s up with this video? I think Jet staff were at the gate.

Similar case at CDG. The staff were all AF.

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Let's start the guessing game and each person should select two cities so we can, once the routes are announced, see who had the best foresight! [If some of the 8 cities are beyond the reasonable reach of Indigo's A321, please call them out, so we know that they would technically be out of contention)

Separately, does anyone know if the Indian - Turkish bilateral is governed by the number of frequencies (14X weekly) or by the number of seats (AAAA seats weekly)?


There's no way IndiGo is not flying to IST from DEL. BLR is my second pick if it is within the range of the A321neo.
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Oh darn! Government blocks special dispensation for flights from Gulf countries to the new Kannur airport.
So, you build a shiny new airport investing millions of $$$$ but restricted bilaterals pull the rug under your feet.

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/travel- ... la-airport
 
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Oh darn! Government blocks special dispensation for flights from Gulf countries to the new Kannur airport.
So, you build a shiny new airport investing millions of $$$$ but restricted bilaterals pull the rug under your feet.

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/travel- ... la-airport
 
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BLR is my second pick if it is within the range of the A321neo.


If BLR to IST is a "no go", then it would also mean that Madras - IST is a no-go.
 
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Oh darn! Government blocks special dispensation for flights from Gulf countries to the new Kannur airport.
So, you build a shiny new airport investing millions of $$$$ but restricted bilaterals pull the rug under your feet.


Why has this been done? To protect local airlines OR because this would take away some transit pax away from the bigger metros?
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Why has this been done? To protect local airlines OR because this would take away some transit pax away from the bigger metros?

Granting this approval will open a can of worms with several airports clamouring for inclusion in the bilaterals.
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Granting this approval will open a can of worms with several airports clamouring for inclusion in the bilaterals.


Not true because the Government provided the very same dispensation when 2 other airports in Kerala opened! However, I don't know whether it was the BJP or Congress-led government that provided this dispensation at that time.

My opinion is that the current BJP government is playing chicken as it doesn't want to take any decision, prior to the general elections, that could be politically spun by the opposition, as a "scam". {In general, from a political perspective, regardless of the merits, rights from the Gulf to India are prone to fall into scam-classified territory} Heck, the government hasn't even allowed Vistara to fly internationally even though it is eligible to do so, and when Vistara is a completely different company from Air Asia, which is being investigated.
 
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unrave wrote:

Granting this approval will open a can of worms with several airports clamouring for inclusion in the bilaterals.


Not true because the Government provided the very same dispensation when 2 other airports in Kerala opened! However, I don't know whether it was the BJP or Congress-led government that provided this dispensation at that time.

My opinion is that the current BJP government is playing chicken as it doesn't want to take any decision, prior to the general elections, that could be politically spun by the opposition, as a "scam". {In general, from a political perspective, regardless of the merits, rights from the Gulf to India are prone to fall into scam-classified territory} Heck, the government hasn't even allowed Vistara to fly internationally even though it is eligible to do so, and when Vistara is a completely different company from Air Asia, which is being investigated.


This is NOT true. TRV kind of always had foreign carriers serving it, even it was before an international airport. CCJ had to wait atleast a couple if not more years before foreign carriers were able to land - it was exclusive to AI/IC.
Not sure about CIAL though.
 
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edealinfo wrote:
unrave wrote:

Granting this approval will open a can of worms with several airports clamouring for inclusion in the bilaterals.


Not true because the Government provided the very same dispensation when 2 other airports in Kerala opened! However, I don't know whether it was the BJP or Congress-led government that provided this dispensation at that time.

My opinion is that the current BJP government is playing chicken as it doesn't want to take any decision, prior to the general elections, that could be politically spun by the opposition, as a "scam". {In general, from a political perspective, regardless of the merits, rights from the Gulf to India are prone to fall into scam-classified territory} Heck, the government hasn't even allowed Vistara to fly internationally even though it is eligible to do so, and when Vistara is a completely different company from Air Asia, which is being investigated.


This is NOT true. TRV kind of always had foreign carriers serving it, even it was before an international airport. CCJ had to wait atleast a couple if not more years before foreign carriers were able to land - it was exclusive to AI/IC.
Not sure about CIAL though.


No true per the link below:

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/travel- ... la-airport

"Such a special dispensation of allowing flights to the Gulf countries outside the bilateral rights on airline capacities was allowed to both Cochin and Calicut international airports when they opened for operations."
 
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bostrv wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

Not true because the Government provided the very same dispensation when 2 other airports in Kerala opened! However, I don't know whether it was the BJP or Congress-led government that provided this dispensation at that time.

My opinion is that the current BJP government is playing chicken as it doesn't want to take any decision, prior to the general elections, that could be politically spun by the opposition, as a "scam". {In general, from a political perspective, regardless of the merits, rights from the Gulf to India are prone to fall into scam-classified territory} Heck, the government hasn't even allowed Vistara to fly internationally even though it is eligible to do so, and when Vistara is a completely different company from Air Asia, which is being investigated.


This is NOT true. TRV kind of always had foreign carriers serving it, even it was before an international airport. CCJ had to wait atleast a couple if not more years before foreign carriers were able to land - it was exclusive to AI/IC.
Not sure about CIAL though.


No true per the link below:

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/travel- ... la-airport

"Such a special dispensation of allowing flights to the Gulf countries outside the bilateral rights on airline capacities was allowed to both Cochin and Calicut international airports when they opened for operations."


Well, Calicut airport became international 18 years after it was started, during which time it did not have any foreign carriers flying there. Article from when CCJ got international status:

https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/t ... 392955.ece
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:54 am

Indigo needs to fly IST from BOM. I have been waiting for this moment for so long. I know I can fly TK and I have flown TK in the past but the tickets are ridiculously high. The cheapest from BOM is Kuwait Airways which is around 27k to 28k whereas TK is starting from 40k.

IF Indigo starts flights from BOM or DEL, I assume the starting price would be from 24k to 26k. My moms birthday is at the end of March, this would be the perfect gift for her as she always wanted to visit Turkey.
 
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Indigo needs to fly IST from BOM.

You can't get slots at BOM unless you are a new airline or you are flying a new route. So IndiGo has to drop a frequency somewhere if it wishes to start BOM-IST.

Meanwhile IndiGo has all but confirmed the launch of IST with its teaser campaign on social media
https://twitter.com/IndiGo6E/status/1088348323780603905
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Fargo wrote:
Is KL ever going to start BLR-AMS, or are they content with leaving this route to 9W?


KLM is more likely to start Hyderabad per this 14-month old article:
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 344_1.html


There is also the factor of the connecting AMS-YYZ flight. 9W's flights from DEL, BOM and BLR to AMS all arrive within a short interval, and if 9W launches HYD-AMS (or even MAA-AMS) four A330s/777s must fly all at once to AMS, which is a bit much. Better for KL to launch HYD rather than 9W (especially given the 9W crisis). KLM can also try BLR/MAA.

On an unrelated note, congratulations to BLR and MAA for getting direct flights to NRT, that too on Japanese airlines. J and F passengers are in for a treat, especially on JAL.
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I guess Indigo will fly to the new airport in Istanbul as it has codeshare with TK. Majority of the TK flights will fly from 3rd March from the new airport.
 
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So everytime I have flown AMS-BOM (meaning checking in at AMS), the check has been done by KLM staff wearing KLM uniforms. So what’s up with this video? I think Jet staff were at the gate.


Excellent observation, I completely missed it was KL agents India bound and DL security/KL agents US-bound. I have to check it out myself in a few months.
With all the JetDown discussion, who will take over Jet, I was imagining a hypothetical GroundForce in her place. Will not be so pleasant.

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