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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:39 pm
by chinmay17shetye
How will the slots be allocated once NMIA phase 1 is operational? I'm sure every airline will want a piece of that pie. The 10m initial capacity doesn't exactly help the situation too.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:18 pm
by avier
chinmay17shetye wrote:
How will the slots be allocated once NMIA phase 1 is operational?


I don't think anyone on here could or would know that. Will have to wait and watch how's that planned. Most here can just speculate.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:58 am
by edealinfo
Thai Smile will launch services to Ahmedabad, Amritsar and Kochi, adding to Jaipur, Lucknow, Varanasi and Goa which the airline already serves

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 79421.html

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:08 am
by JOYA380B747
ImageScreenshot 2019-01-29 at 9.15.08 AM by Niladri Haldar, on Flickr

What am I seeing here? These bunch of 9W flights with distinct flight numbers arriving exactly at the same time from CDG? My wife's morning departure got pushed back by hours in a last minute rescheduling by 9W, most probably because of this.

If only we had some spotters at the end of the runway right now!

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:47 am
by JOYA380B747
I'm starting to think it was a flghtradar glitch, never mind :banghead:

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:00 pm
by avier
GoAir to link Kannur with Abu Dhabi

..launch of direct flights on the Kannur – Abu Dhabi route from March 01.
GoAir will operate four direct flight services per week between Kannur - Abu Dhabi
.


Read more at:
https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/goair-to-link-kannur-with-abu-dhabi/articleshow/67738417.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:04 pm
by avier
Air India starting next month is adding service to Iraq, as the airline schedules Delhi – Najaf service. From 14FEB19, Airbus A321 aircraft will operate this route twice a week.

AI901 DEL1400 – 1700NJF 32B 14
AI902 NJF1800 – 0045+1DEL 32B 14

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:28 pm
by edealinfo
Naresh is still wily because he is not putting any more money at risk...: it is Etihad and SBI/banks! He isn’t throwing good money after bad. At this stage of the game, he has 20 percent of the gains of any upside to a potential recovery without having to invest a further dime. He may still have the last laugh.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:35 pm
by CaliguyNYC
edealinfo wrote:
Naresh is still wily because he is not putting any more money at risk...: it is Etihad and SBI/banks! He isn’t throwing good money after bad. At this stage of the game, he has 20 percent of the gains of any upside to a potential recovery without having to invest a further dime. He may still have the last laugh.


My guess is he is or will be losing even more control. Hence he feels he shouldn't have to put more money in. I think basically everyone said he needs to go. Perhaps with the banks and EY he got to retain one board seat for him / his family. But management control is gone.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:39 pm
by unrave
NG has been a toxic influence on Indian aviation for nearly two decades now. He has to go.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:50 pm
by dtw2hyd
LOL, Not long ago Goyal was considered the maverick who changed the face of Indian aviation, just like present-day Gangwal/Bhatia duo. In a decade, they will be considered toxic.

https://www.ndtv.com/video/shows/india- ... 007-281283

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:45 pm
by avier
Sky monopoly: Direct flights on 188 of 392 routes run by single players

Data sourced from UK-based air travel intelligence firm OAG show that 188 air routes have direct flights operated by only one airline on that route, including Hyderabad-Raipur, Kolkata-Lucknow, Amritsar-Goa, Mumbai-Kanpur, Pune-Indore and Ahmedabad-Chandigarh.

https://indianexpress.com/article/business/aviation/india-airlines-route-monopoly-oag-data-air-india-indigo-spicejet-udan-5558611/

Interesting article. This monopoly on such sectors won't last long though.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:32 pm
by anshabhi
avier wrote:
Sky monopoly: Direct flights on 188 of 392 routes run by single players

Data sourced from UK-based air travel intelligence firm OAG show that 188 air routes have direct flights operated by only one airline on that route, including Hyderabad-Raipur, Kolkata-Lucknow, Amritsar-Goa, Mumbai-Kanpur, Pune-Indore and Ahmedabad-Chandigarh.

https://indianexpress.com/article/business/aviation/india-airlines-route-monopoly-oag-data-air-india-indigo-spicejet-udan-5558611/

Interesting article. This monopoly on such sectors won't last long though.

Monopoly is a very bad word for most of these routes, where even a single flight by any airline should be celebrated

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:38 pm
by lightsaber
dtw2hyd wrote:
LOL, Not long ago Goyal was considered the maverick who changed the face of Indian aviation, just like present-day Gangwal/Bhatia duo. In a decade, they will be considered toxic.

https://www.ndtv.com/video/shows/india- ... 007-281283

The destruction if the < 14 day premium destroyed Jet. AerCap blamed AI. (That part of the article requires a subscription).:

http://m.aviationweek.com/commercial-av ... embraer-e2

9 of 11 years a loss. Maverick with other people's money!

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:49 pm
by dtw2hyd
lightsaber wrote:
AerCap blamed AI.


For what? Blacklisting AerCap from bidding on leases for wrongfully forcing AI to take CRJs to Jordan for the lease-end condition check, where the contract says FAA certified MRO facility.

What is so magical about Jordan based MROs anyway? Do they asses the damage on the higher side to benefit lessors?

There is a sworn deposition on this topic by AI officials in 2012, blaming AI in 2019 is not going get AerCap back in the game.

Private carriers never study what happened to Air India, they think they are too smart, 9W paying the price now.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:40 pm
by Viman
9 out 11 years in losses even after having Dawood Ibrahim money then Dial a Ministers State Bank money, no competition till recent times, used to destroy Air India routes by bribing ministers, blocked Tata buying Air India in 1990s, lobbied against new liberal flying rules and blocking new airlines from flying International.

These are the only things i remember i am sure other members can add much more, whenever this toxic person named Naresh Goyal loses control of Jet Airways will be the most nourishing and deep cleansing day for the Indian Aviation.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:21 pm
by vadodara
CaliguyNYC wrote:
vadodara wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
The saddest part is that very few new domestic cities will be added from BOM. DEL & BOM are no brainers for wanting / needing connections to most medium to large cities in India. Only good news is that airlines can up gauge to bigger planes. So growth can happen. final upside is maybe fares go up a bit. India needs some profitable routes. If BOM becomes India's LGA or LHR, then so be it. BOM people can afford a bit higher fares. While New Bombay will help, I can't imagine anyone from the western suburbs ever going to the new airport. What BOM really needs is clearing of the slums to create a parallel runway.


Actually, there are more chances that BOM looses some routes in the near future. With railway's gradually improving their speed, at some point lot of air traffic may shift there. In turn, this will open-up slots for longer routes.

Either way, NMIA may turn out to be a 'dim-wit' idea.


Sorry I disagree. Even with railways and another runway at BOM, the metro area would still need New Bombay’s airport. Plus New Bombay is really its own city. It is far away. I am curious why you think it is a “dim-wit” idea. That’s a very strong statement so would love your thoughts.


Well if I follow the airline guru’s on this board, a successful airline/airport needs lot of F/J traffic. Where would this traffic at NMIA come from?

My personal opinion is that the time to improve India’s road and rail infrastructure will be infinite. Any city that wants to build an airport should be encouraged, including NMIA.

Just not sure NMIA will serve its intended purpose.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:11 pm
by edealinfo
vadodara wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
vadodara wrote:

Actually, there are more chances that BOM looses some routes in the near future. With railway's gradually improving their speed, at some point lot of air traffic may shift there. In turn, this will open-up slots for longer routes.

Either way, NMIA may turn out to be a 'dim-wit' idea.


Sorry I disagree. Even with railways and another runway at BOM, the metro area would still need New Bombay’s airport. Plus New Bombay is really its own city. It is far away. I am curious why you think it is a “dim-wit” idea. That’s a very strong statement so would love your thoughts.


Well if I follow the airline guru’s on this board, a successful airline/airport needs lot of F/J traffic. Where would this traffic at NMIA come from?

My personal opinion is that the time to improve India’s road and rail infrastructure will be infinite. Any city that wants to build an airport should be encouraged, including NMIA.

Just not sure NMIA will serve its intended purpose.

What does “time to improve is infinite” mean?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:43 pm
by unrave
dtw2hyd wrote:
LOL, Not long ago Goyal was considered the maverick who changed the face of Indian aviation, just like present-day Gangwal/Bhatia duo. In a decade, they will be considered toxic.

https://www.ndtv.com/video/shows/india- ... 007-281283


For 100 rupees NDTV will produce a puff piece video on anyone. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Mavericks or not, Gangwal and Bhatia have created wealth. Goyal has destroyed wealth,

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 am
by unrave
VT-ITQ, the aircraft grounded at LKO after engine failure on 22JAN19 has resumed flying. No IndiGo aircraft remains grounded as on date.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:38 pm
by unrave
Aviation secretary RN Choubey retires today. If the AI privatisation had been successful he would have retired a rockstar.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:19 pm
by CaliguyNYC
vadodara wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
vadodara wrote:

Actually, there are more chances that BOM looses some routes in the near future. With railway's gradually improving their speed, at some point lot of air traffic may shift there. In turn, this will open-up slots for longer routes.

Either way, NMIA may turn out to be a 'dim-wit' idea.


Sorry I disagree. Even with railways and another runway at BOM, the metro area would still need New Bombay’s airport. Plus New Bombay is really its own city. It is far away. I am curious why you think it is a “dim-wit” idea. That’s a very strong statement so would love your thoughts.


Well if I follow the airline guru’s on this board, a successful airline/airport needs lot of F/J traffic. Where would this traffic at NMIA come from?

My personal opinion is that the time to improve India’s road and rail infrastructure will be infinite. Any city that wants to build an airport should be encouraged, including NMIA.

Just not sure NMIA will serve its intended purpose.


You need strong J for long haul (or Y fares that are high). NMIA will serve domestic flights (no J needed) and narrow body high demand regional destinations like BKK, SIN, DXB (again no J needed). Domestic flights and adding new nonstop connectivity to new Indian cities and the mumbai region being its prime function. Im sure the airport will also encourage more businesses to open campuses in New Bombay. As I mentioned earlier, I could actually see a medium connecting hub in NMIA before even HYD or MAA.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:29 pm
by edealinfo
unrave wrote:
Aviation secretary RN Choubey retires today. If the AI privatisation had been successful he would have retired a rockstar.

Isn’t he the “genius” who told the Qatar airways Chairman that he could invest and own100 percent of an Indian airline but will never be allowed to have any effective control over it.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:45 pm
by hohd
avier wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Blerg wrote:
I was curious, what competitive advantage would IndiGo have over its competition on flights to Europe? Let's take Istanbul, why would someone suffer for five, six hours on an LCC with absolutely no service when there is TK with its state of the art onboard product? Same thing with London where fares aren't that high?

What's IndiGo betting on?


Betting on extending award-winning in-flight service to long-haul.

Apparently, TK/6E operate from different terminals at DEL/BOM, the transfer will be a breeze compared to TK/AI. Enduring 8 hrs BLR-IST on a cup of noodles, no IFE, not even streaming will be world class. Also, 6E accepts forex only for international BoB. Any poor soul unaware of these facts will go hungry unless co-passengers share food.

Anyway, this whole thing could be filed along with Gatwick and Tbilisi/Baku tech stop news.


All of that is undeniably true. 6E doesn't operate from the integerated Terminals at neither DEL nor BOM. So not sure of how the strong domestic feed will allow for smooth transfers at those airports. Also as of now 6E operates from three terminals at DEL. So they will have to think of something unless they relying on O&D only.


Transfers will be a nightmare and the main obstacle for 6E to monetize on their extensive India network at DEL (or BOM). One needs atleast 3 hrs minimum for transfer and it will be bigger challenge for elderly or those travelling with small children or with wheelchair needs. Also the fares to Europe are for most part farily competitive and the price of the flight is only a portion of the total costs. For UK, the visa fees exceed the flight cost, so only those who are reasonably doing well will consider Europe trips and cost of the flight will be lower in the priority list.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:02 pm
by unrave
edealinfo wrote:
unrave wrote:
Aviation secretary RN Choubey retires today. If the AI privatisation had been successful he would have retired a rockstar.

Isn’t he the “genius” who told the Qatar airways Chairman that he could invest and own100 percent of an Indian airline but will never be allowed to have any effective control over it.

Did he? Do you have a source?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:09 pm
by dtw2hyd
edealinfo wrote:
Isn’t he the “genius” who told the Qatar airways Chairman that he could invest and own100 percent of an Indian airline but will never be allowed to have any effective control over it.


He also told there were multiple offers for AI.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:16 pm
by unrave
dtw2hyd wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Isn’t he the “genius” who told the Qatar airways Chairman that he could invest and own100 percent of an Indian airline but will never be allowed to have any effective control over it.


He also told there were multiple offers for AI.

Did he? Do you have a source?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:50 pm
by vadodara
CaliguyNYC wrote:
You need strong J for long haul (or Y fares that are high). NMIA will serve domestic flights (no J needed) and narrow body high demand regional destinations like BKK, SIN, DXB (again no J needed). Domestic flights and adding new nonstop connectivity to new Indian cities and the mumbai region being its prime function. Im sure the airport will also encourage more businesses to open campuses in New Bombay. As I mentioned earlier, I could actually see a medium connecting hub in NMIA before even HYD or MAA.


Unless infrastructure magically improves, going to NMIA from most parts of Bombay will take 2 hrs +. Who will commute that amount of time for a short or medium haul flight?

It will be faster to go to Surat for folks in Andheri/Borivali and catch a flight to DXB, BKK or SIN.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:15 am
by unrave
MoCA is expected to come out with the preliminary information memorandum for the sale of AIATSL, the ground handling arm of Air India next week

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:53 am
by edealinfo
unrave wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
unrave wrote:
Aviation secretary RN Choubey retires today. If the AI privatisation had been successful he would have retired a rockstar.

Isn’t he the “genius” who told the Qatar airways Chairman that he could invest and own100 percent of an Indian airline but will never be allowed to have any effective control over it.

Did he? Do you have a source?


I remember reading an article on it in one of the newspapers........he was cheering for a Qatar Airways investment (in a brand new Indian aviation company). Later he made statements stating in strong terms that "effective control" would have to be with Indians, regardless of 100% foreign holding......or something along those lines.

Why do you so much respect for RN Choubey? In what way was he different from all the other babus?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:57 am
by edealinfo
hohd wrote:
. For UK, the visa fees exceed the flight cost, so only those who are reasonably doing well will consider Europe trips and cost of the flight will be lower in the priority list.


Not to mention their ridiculous long visa form and the ridiculous number of documents you need to produce even if you are a US green card holder. I pity what an Indian citizen without a green card would have to go through.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:59 am
by edealinfo
Viman wrote:
9 out 11 years in losses even after having Dawood Ibrahim money then Dial a Ministers State Bank money, no competition till recent times, used to destroy Air India routes by bribing ministers, blocked Tata buying Air India in 1990s, lobbied against new liberal flying rules and blocking new airlines from flying International.

These are the only things i remember i am sure other members can add much more, whenever this toxic person named Naresh Goyal loses control of Jet Airways will be the most nourishing and deep cleansing day for the Indian Aviation.


All your allegations probably have some basis and some truth it except one. What evidence do you have to support your allegation of Naresh Goyal taking Dawood Ibrahim's funding?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:08 am
by unrave
Air Italy has announced suspension of Mumbai and Delhi flights from Feb 17 and March 29 respectively

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:36 am
by unrave
Deepak Talwar has been extradited to India. For those not in the know, this man ruled the roost in lobbying with the aviation ministry during the UPA era.
Received kickback of $9.8 million from Air Arabia for helping the airline secure more destinations Received kickback of $9 million from Qatar Airways Helped Dubai based airline Emirates to get bilateral agreements amended to enable larger passenger access in Indian market Helped Air Asia in obtaining operating permits

Talwar’s alleged proximity to the then Civil Aviation minister Praful Patel helped him become a major player in the aviation sector. Talwar won two major contracts from Delhi International Airport Limited (DIAL) during Patel’s tenure for which DIAL drew flak from the CAG. According to an internal investigation by Air India, Talwar’s company supplied DVDs for the airline’s in-flight entertainment system at ten times the market rate.

Deepak Talwar’s name also figured in the infamous Radia tapes. Niira Radia in a telephone conversation with a Times of India reporter had claimed that Talwar and Praful Patel had made $300-400 million in selling bilaterals (air service agreements between Air India and foreign airlines) on the Gulf routes. CAG report said that Civil Aviation ministry under Patel approved additional rights to Emirates despite UAE’s failure to give reciprocal rights to Air India. According to Radia, Deepak Talwar was instrumental in the “Emirates deal”.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/economy/agusta ... 130641.htm

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:49 am
by VTORD
unrave wrote:
Deepak Talwar has been extradited to India. For those not in the know, this man ruled the roost in lobbying with the aviation ministry during the UPA era.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/economy/agusta ... 130641.htm


You think that ToI news about the AI flight to Trinidad was a red herring while all the while this was what was going on?Deliberately leaked by the GoI?

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:50 am
by binayak
unrave wrote:
Air Italy has announced suspension of Mumbai and Delhi flights from Feb 17 and March 29 respectively


Were both so under performing that couldn't even last a year? Really bad news.

edealinfo wrote:
All your allegations probably have some basis and some truth it except one. What evidence do you have to support your allegation of Naresh Goyal taking Dawood Ibrahim's funding?


He'll have zero evidence man. The airline has had been investigated for this multiple times, none of them even remotely referred to Dawood . But only on a. net you'll see lobbyists still call jet as "Dawood's airline " . Just ignore them.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:08 am
by unrave
VTORD wrote:
You think that ToI news about the AI flight to Trinidad was a red herring while all the while this was what was going on?Deliberately leaked by the GoI?

Looks like it. Spells bad news for NG as well

binayak wrote:
Were both so under performing that couldn't even last a year? Really bad news.

They had no onward connections from MXP. The India-Italy market is not large enough to support such a sharp addition in frequencies.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:24 am
by flyer1225
unrave wrote:
Air Italy has announced suspension of Mumbai and Delhi flights from Feb 17 and March 29 respectively


What's the source on this? A quick Google search reveals no results.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:40 am
by binayak
unrave wrote:
binayak wrote:
Were both so under performing that couldn't even last a year? Really bad news.

They had no onward connections from MXP. The India-Italy market is not large enough to support such a sharp addition in frequencies.


Now with Air Italy starting multiple flights to US, I hope they try at least a seasonal one with connections at MXP end.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:55 am
by unrave
flyer1225 wrote:

What's the source on this? A quick Google search reveals no results.

Try booking a flight

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:49 am
by unrave
Alliance Air suspends its daily BLR-CJB service from 15FEB19. IndiGo increases its frequency on this route to 3x daily from the same day!

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:17 am
by unrave
IndiGo to build an aircraft maintenance facility (MRO) at Bangalore airport
- Signed a 20-year agreement for 5-acre land
- Hangar will be able to house two narrow-body aircraft
- To be operational by March 2020
- Will have support infrastructure, including an engine QEC shop warehouse and engineering offices for all repair and maintenance.

Most of IndiGo's MRO work is currently done by SriLankan Airlines at Colombo

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:46 am
by Viman
Looks like I touched a raw nerve of Naresh's minions with Dawood Ibrahim, they are unison in singing " Call us corrupt, call us thieves but do not link us with Terrorists and Underworld". Well it is not everyone's problem that your ""Aaka" was in bed with Dawood.

A simple Google search with terms "Naresh Goyal Dawood" or "Jet Aiways Dawood" reveals more than enough information to read for hours.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:41 am
by binayak
Wow. So what investigators couldn't find since years in fact decades, a person has found the same through what?.... Google Search!!!
New thing on this website for the first time!

A Google Search even links indigo's ownership to praful patel! If I say the same here, my posts will be reported and in fact I won't do such a thing because that's mere speculation.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:19 pm
by unrave
SpiceJet announces the launch of following flights wef 1MAR19
Kochi - Tirupati (exclusive route)
Vijayawada - Tirupati (1st freq)
Kochi - Chennai (3rd freq)
Vijayawada - Bengaluru (4th freq)
All flights operated by Q400

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:13 pm
by LIPZ
SriLankan and Alitalia to launch codeshare between Rome and Delhi (AZ metal)

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2019

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:51 am
by unrave
UDAN gets budgetary support of Rs. 480 crore.

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2019

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:05 pm
by atcsundevil
Please continue in the February discussion.

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