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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu May 23, 2019 3:51 pm

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Yesterday Fly Louie, today Via Airlines:
https://www.cbs42.com/news/local/via-airlines-ceases-commercial-flights-for-birmingham-airport-and-others/2020841726

After the OneJet, Elite, and Via debacles maybe the ACAA will stop going after these chicken shit companies and entice a more stable independent regional such as Silver Airways. With a fleet of ATRs and Saab 340s, they could be a perfect match for flights to places such as RIC, IND, BUF, etc.


As long as ACAA CEO's bonus pay is tied heavily into the number of destinations served/increases in destinations served, they will continue to go after these "chicken shit" companies. Quantity over quality fuels that bottom line.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 6:52 pm

On Via from the PG article

The airline also has suspended service to all other markets it serves except for flights between Orlando and Jackson, Mississippi, Mr. Bowman said.


“We believe there is great potential at PIT, but we need to get our crewing issues straightened out before we make a second attempt in PIT at some point in the future,” he said.


In exchange for the service from Pittsburgh, Via was scheduled to receive standard marking incentives of a “modest amount” available to any carrier adding flights, Allegheny County Airport Authority CEO Christina Cassotis has said. Spokesman Bob Kerlik said Thursday that it had not received any incentives before suspending service.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri May 24, 2019 11:50 pm

MD-83 made an appearance this evening on the Dallas run
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat May 25, 2019 2:44 pm

Sunwing is finally sending a 767 today
WG9442 from Toronto to Pittsburgh https://fr24.com/SWG9442/20a4e564
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 11:17 pm

Rare UA B753 scheduled to pick up the LA Dodgers tomorrow.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/UA2545
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 12:53 am

Did any one capture or get to see the 767 operating for sunwing today?
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 1:00 am

Runway28L wrote:
Rare UA B753 scheduled to pick up the LA Dodgers tomorrow.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/UA2545

It was here yesterday too.
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Mon May 27, 2019 7:10 pm

Apparently a C-17 was to do a flyover of various Pittsburgh suburbs today in coordination with American Legion and VFW posts. Did anyone catch this?
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 7:44 pm

QR 8141 flying direct from LUX to PIT on Tuesdays.
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 8:10 pm

Do we know the customer behind the third weekly flight?


Considering the success Condor has had at PIT, LH getting smaller long range aircraft (B789s), and LH taking over some of DE's other success stories such as AUS and SAN, I imagine the ACAA now has LH on their radar for service in a couple years. I wonder if they will follow the same strategy as they are with QR? That is, attempt to show the carrier that the cargo hold of a passenger service can be filled by proving it first with a dedicated cargo service? LH Cargo is probably at the top of the ACAA's agenda, especially with the growth in cargo volume DE had last summer.
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Tue May 28, 2019 8:29 pm

Watching b6 being towed from runway to the gate the right now from runway 28r, any idea of what happened?
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 8:50 pm

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Watching b6 being towed from runway to the gate the right now from runway 28r, any idea of what happened?


Here's the path; they didn't get far before diverting back to PIT:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU1986/history/20190528/0951Z/KPIT/KPIT
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Tue May 28, 2019 9:18 pm

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QR 8141 flying direct from LUX to PIT on Tuesdays.

Any idea of its planned arrival time? Hoping for an afternoon arrival so I can get more pics of them here as I don’t have many.
 
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Tue May 28, 2019 9:25 pm

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Natesantiago88 wrote:
Watching b6 being towed from runway to the gate the right now from runway 28r, any idea of what happened?


Here's the path; they didn't get far before diverting back to PIT:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU1986/history/20190528/0951Z/KPIT/KPIT

Diverted back due to a mechanical issue.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 12:21 am

Runway28L wrote:
KPITK wrote:
QR 8141 flying direct from LUX to PIT on Tuesdays.

Any idea of its planned arrival time? Hoping for an afternoon arrival so I can get more pics of them here as I don’t have many.


Scheduled to Arr at 1900, Dep for ORD at 2100 on Tuesdays so you should be able to get pics.
http://www.qrcargo.com/docs/03.Summer%2019%20Freighter%20Schedule%20Issue%203%20-%20Effective%201st%20June%20to%2026th%20Oct%202019.pdf

Speaking of which, for a little bit it seemed both our European arrivals for the day were gonna end up in CLE after a tour of eastern Ohio due to severe weather here:
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Wed May 29, 2019 5:04 am

Unusual FedEx B763 flight from FLL tonight.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/FX1214

FX1446 MEM-PIT is also showing up as a B763 for tomorrow morning.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed May 29, 2019 1:45 pm

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Unusual FedEx B763 flight from FLL tonight.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/FX1214

FX1446 MEM-PIT is also showing up as a B763 for tomorrow morning.

FedEx seems to be mixing things up and adding a few segments in the near term. For example, there will be two early evening arrivals from MEM today, the other also being a B763. The 757 that has been going to PHL in the morning went to MDT this morning and tomorrow it goes to GSO.
Both MEM flights will be a B763 from here on out. IND remains an A300.
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Wed May 29, 2019 6:05 pm

UPS also appears to be running an additional SDF-PIT flight on a B752 again.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5X1422
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 7:52 pm

Most definitely pure media speculation, but I figured I'd link it anyway:

"The trans-Atlantic flights started April 2 and operate Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Friday and Saturdays. Flights will eventually become daily."
https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/pittsburgh-art-to-be-showcased-in-london/

I have to admit, they are doing creative things to market Pittsburgh across the pond.
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Wed May 29, 2019 8:53 pm

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Most definitely pure media speculation, but I figured I'd link it anyway:

"The trans-Atlantic flights started April 2 and operate Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Friday and Saturdays. Flights will eventually become daily."
https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/pittsburgh-art-to-be-showcased-in-london/

I have to admit, they are doing creative things to market Pittsburgh across the pond.


Odd. Second time I've heard that rumor in as many days. From completely different sources, though neither that I would put much stock in. That said, the flights are off to a very good start in both directions.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 10:13 pm

BA won’t be operating daily till they get slots at LHR for the other three days they need for daily service. They operate on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesday, and Friday’s.
 
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Wed May 29, 2019 11:31 pm

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BA won’t be operating daily till they get slots at LHR for the other three days they need for daily service. They operate on Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesday, and Friday’s.


For BA, it isn't as much LHR slot capacity as widebody aircraft availability that limits how much and how fast they can expand.

On another note, WN has again rolled forward their cuts to the PIT-LAX route due to the MAX issues. But it's also probably telling as to just how marginal that route is; were it a cash cow, they would have cut something else instead.
 
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Thu May 30, 2019 1:32 pm

WN is ending their second PIT-HOU flight after next week.
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Thu May 30, 2019 2:07 pm

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WN is ending their second PIT-HOU flight after next week.


It comes back in the schedule extension that came out today.
 
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Thu May 30, 2019 2:19 pm

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WN is ending their second PIT-HOU flight after next week.


It comes back in the schedule extension that came out today.


Only from Oct 3 - Dec 2
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Thu May 30, 2019 3:33 pm

Here are some changes I've noticed so far from the WN schedule extension:

-RSW appears to be going up to 2x daily except Tuesdays
-LAS is back to 2x daily then goes down to 1x daily in the winter which is normal for this route
-LAX returns at 5x weekly and goes down to 1x weekly the first week of December, but goes up to 1x daily for several weeks during the holiday period
-STL has a very odd schedule. Runs 1x daily Mon-Fri, does not operate at all on Saturdays, then operates 2x daily on Sundays.
 
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Thu May 30, 2019 7:46 pm

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Thu May 30, 2019 8:15 pm

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C-17 from the 911th Airlift Wing. Tail 02-1101.

https://www.radarbox24.com/data/flights ... 1295410065

Looks like it flew PIT-NGU on 5/23 with the same callsign, then spent some time over in Spain and the Middle East before returning this week.
 
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Thu May 30, 2019 8:40 pm

Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:

C-17 from the 911th Airlift Wing. Tail 02-1101.

https://www.radarbox24.com/data/flights ... 1295410065

Looks like it flew PIT-NGU on 5/23 with the same callsign, then spent some time over in Spain and the Middle East before returning this week.


Thanks. As of right now, the second SDF-PIT flight stops operating after tomorrow.
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Fri May 31, 2019 1:12 am

Runway28L wrote:
Here are some changes I've noticed so far from the WN schedule extension:

-RSW appears to be going up to 2x daily except Tuesdays
-LAS is back to 2x daily then goes down to 1x daily in the winter which is normal for this route
-LAX returns at 5x weekly and goes down to 1x weekly the first week of December, but goes up to 1x daily for several weeks during the holiday period
-STL has a very odd schedule. Runs 1x daily Mon-Fri, does not operate at all on Saturdays, then operates 2x daily on Sundays.


Well, at least WN isn't completely abandoning PIT-LAX, so I guess that's encouraging.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 2:11 am

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:

C-17 from the 911th Airlift Wing. Tail 02-1101.

https://www.radarbox24.com/data/flights ... 1295410065

Looks like it flew PIT-NGU on 5/23 with the same callsign, then spent some time over in Spain and the Middle East before returning this week.


Thanks. As of right now, the second SDF-PIT flight stops operating after tomorrow.


Thankfully Spirit will still have some competition on the route
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 3:03 pm

The Condor flight is off
CFG098 from Frankfurt https://fr24.com/CFG098/20b71ea7
 
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Fri May 31, 2019 3:13 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
KPITK wrote:
QR 8141 flying direct from LUX to PIT on Tuesdays.

Any idea of its planned arrival time? Hoping for an afternoon arrival so I can get more pics of them here as I don’t have many.


Scheduled to Arr at 1900, Dep for ORD at 2100 on Tuesdays so you should be able to get pics.
http://www.qrcargo.com/docs/03.Summer%2019%20Freighter%20Schedule%20Issue%203%20-%20Effective%201st%20June%20to%2026th%20Oct%202019.pdf

Speaking of which, for a little bit it seemed both our European arrivals for the day were gonna end up in CLE after a tour of eastern Ohio due to severe weather here:
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Fri May 31, 2019 10:13 pm

Anyone know why there’s a Czech Republic A319 at Atlantic?
 
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Fri May 31, 2019 11:06 pm

Czechoslovakia was formed via an agreement signed in Pittsburgh on this day - 101 years ago:
https://www.wesa.fm/post/how-country-czechoslovakia-was-created-downtown-pittsburgh

Perhaps an official visit to commemorate the event?
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:34 am

Both outbounds to LHR and FRA tonight were completely full. The gate area for Condor was the most packed I’ve ever seen. The Who are also taking the BA flight back to London after their concert last night.
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:44 am

I got some photos of Condor taxing for takeoff. But I don’t know how to post photos
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:44 am

Pics of Condor arriving, with some more of British Airways and the 911th Airlift Wing
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154462236 ... 8863756471
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:21 pm

 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:06 pm

From the ACAA's own blog:

"Seasonal nonstop service between Pittsburgh and Frankfurt on German-based Condor Airlines launched in 2017 and resumes Friday with flights up to three times per week."
https://blueskypit.com/2019/05/29/planes-trains-and-automobiles-a-guide-to-exploring-germany/

These dingdongs don't even know how much European service we have.


I'm really curious how the LHR flight is doing; I guess we will have to wait a couple more months for factual data, and even then April won't be a good indicator because of the limited return traffic that comes with a new flight in its first weeks. In the mean time I'm looking at economy class seating charts (not worried about the premium cabins, and BA's website is such a pain). The problem with this is BA's seating charts are not available for dummy bookings within 30 hours or so of the flight, and we know those seats will fill up in that period; plus they are not a very accurate indicator to begin with. Having said that I think some insight can be gained by simultaneously comparing charts with some other BA destinations. PIT seems really hit or miss; last week I counted 51 economy seats not selected the day prior, while BWI, BNA, and MSY were full. Other times I've seen MSY and BWI have a couple more available seats. I will note that economy fares at PIT are significantly higher that at BWI... but of course they are dealing with significant competition at IAD.


Condor otoh seems to be well on its way to a very solid summer with close in fares 2-3 times that of last year and full flights.
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:16 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Pics of Condor arriving, with some more of British Airways and the 911th Airlift Wing
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154462236 ... 8863756471


Very nice pix!
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:53 pm

Condor is currently at twice weekly for the month of June. Monday and Friday service
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:51 pm

I found this a bit ironic after Ms. Cassotis called for closing one of the airport's four runways:
" We have over 13 square miles of land,” Cassotis says, “making us the seventh-largest airport in the US, and we have four working, maintained runways."
https://www.businesstravelerusa.com/business-traveler-usa-story/built-to-last
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:44 am

Two rare birds scheduled for tonight. A Saab 2000 owned by Meregrass Inc. and a National B752 operating what looks like a military charter.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/N814BB
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/N8332
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:57 pm

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Both outbounds to LHR and FRA tonight were completely full. The gate area for Condor was the most packed I’ve ever seen. The Who are also taking the BA flight back to London after their concert last night.

Wow, so Pittsburgh was their last stop on their tour? I know they were in Philly over Memorial Day weekend. Aw man, to be ANYWHERE with the likes of Daltry and Townshend!!

Anyway, from what I keep hearing/seeing on here is that BA is rather pleased with their PIT flights. Nice to hear that at one point one of them was completely full. I myself can't wait for data on these as well as the Condor flights.

In the past, when WOW announced they were ceasing operations, people were wondering about the future of PIT-KEF. Quite frankly, I'm happy PIT has direct flights again to Frankfurt and London. While Iceland service was nice to see, it really wasn't a top destination for Europe-bound travelers from Pittsburgh. The same can be said about Paris as well. Even when US had the hub, IIRC it was the worst performer for US as far as their three flights were concerned.
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In the past, when WOW announced they were ceasing operations, people were wondering about the future of PIT-KEF. Quite frankly, I'm happy PIT has direct flights again to Frankfurt and London. While Iceland service was nice to see, it really wasn't a top destination for Europe-bound travelers from Pittsburgh.

But it was a destination that came in to its own. With the introduction of nonstop service that market was stimulated by 1,000+% and half the flight was O&D even with 5 flights a week, a statistic that surprised everyone. For that reason I'm sad to see it go.

Iceland is a long established tourist market and I've wondered for a while now if Apple Vacations would be willing to take a stab at it. I'm thinking something like seasonal 2x weekly charters with Allegiant whereas G4 sells the remaining seats on their own.

Speaking of G4, looking at some of their newer routes such as PIT-TYS and CLE-ORF they really have a lot of opportunities here. Not only the long missing PIT-LAS/IWA, but also seasonal routes like PIT-ORF/AVL/PMW/BTV


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The same can be said about Paris as well. Even when US had the hub, IIRC it was the worst performer for US as far as their three flights were concerned.

Paris was easily PIT's third largest O&D market behind LON and FRA/CGN. Make no mistake losing PIT-CDG and a Skyteam connection to Europe was a huge loss for PIT. The connections at CDG were far more numerous than what BA can offer with their sub-optimally timed PIT-LHR flight. I still wish DL would have stuck it out with 5x weekly 757s, especially with the loss of WW. Its not like DL never offered less than daily 757 service....
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:22 pm

April traffic up 3% and seats up 4.9%.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/n ... rfWw4ot9ao

- 36th consecutive month of growth, marking a streak of 3 years. Longest such streak since 1986.
- 184 weekday departures with over 18,000 seats for the month
- ULCCs now comprise 11% of PIT's total traffic
- NK served it's 1 millionth passenger since starting service in May 2017
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:30 pm

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Make no mistake losing PIT-CDG and a Skyteam connection to Europe was a huge loss for PIT. The connections at CDG were far more numerous than what BA can offer with their sub-optimally timed PIT-LHR flight. I still wish DL would have stuck it out with 5x weekly 757s, especially with the loss of WW. Its not like DL never offered less than daily 757 service....


Completely agree here, I was just thinking the same about DL as I was trying to book flights to Europe for this coming summer. Maybe LHR is the number 1 desired European destination, but it doesn't come close to the connections we had from CDG. Everything from LRH is either expensive or over an 8 hour layover. Both make it not that helpful. Condor's great to have, but at 2x weekly, it's hard to make it work. Them having a few extra weekly flights would be really nice to make up for the loss of DL/WW. I'm sure the chances to get DL back on the CDG route are nil, (I called DL last year to express my displeasure that it was being cut) but it would be most welcome. And honestly, as excited as I was about PIT-LHR, I don't see it being nearly has convenient as PIT-CDG was, unless you're going to the UK.

Could the ACAA have offered Delta money once again for the CDG flight the way BWI does for BA?
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:47 pm

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Make no mistake losing PIT-CDG and a Skyteam connection to Europe was a huge loss for PIT. The connections at CDG were far more numerous than what BA can offer with their sub-optimally timed PIT-LHR flight. I still wish DL would have stuck it out with 5x weekly 757s, especially with the loss of WW. Its not like DL never offered less than daily 757 service....


Completely agree here, I was just thinking the same about DL as I was trying to book flights to Europe for this coming summer. Maybe LHR is the number 1 desired European destination, but it doesn't come close to the connections we had from CDG. Everything from LRH is either expensive or over an 8 hour layover. Both make it not that helpful. Condor's great to have, but at 2x weekly, it's hard to make it work. Them having a few extra weekly flights would be really nice to make up for the loss of DL/WW. I'm sure the chances to get DL back on the CDG route are nil, (I called DL last year to express my displeasure that it was being cut) but it would be most welcome. And honestly, as excited as I was about PIT-LHR, I don't see it being nearly has convenient as PIT-CDG was, unless you're going to the UK.

Could the ACAA have offered Delta money once again for the CDG flight the way BWI does for BA?


I doubt that ACAA would offer more money to DL. They got their prized international route out of PIT on BA and now they are more worried about getting the terminal renovation/rebuilding started.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:33 pm

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flyPIT wrote:
Make no mistake losing PIT-CDG and a Skyteam connection to Europe was a huge loss for PIT. The connections at CDG were far more numerous than what BA can offer with their sub-optimally timed PIT-LHR flight. I still wish DL would have stuck it out with 5x weekly 757s, especially with the loss of WW. Its not like DL never offered less than daily 757 service....


Completely agree here, I was just thinking the same about DL as I was trying to book flights to Europe for this coming summer. Maybe LHR is the number 1 desired European destination, but it doesn't come close to the connections we had from CDG. Everything from LRH is either expensive or over an 8 hour layover. Both make it not that helpful. Condor's great to have, but at 2x weekly, it's hard to make it work. Them having a few extra weekly flights would be really nice to make up for the loss of DL/WW. I'm sure the chances to get DL back on the CDG route are nil, (I called DL last year to express my displeasure that it was being cut) but it would be most welcome. And honestly, as excited as I was about PIT-LHR, I don't see it being nearly has convenient as PIT-CDG was, unless you're going to the UK.

Could the ACAA have offered Delta money once again for the CDG flight the way BWI does for BA?


DL got somewhere between $5-7 million (exact figure is not public) at the start of their 10 year PIT-CDG run. The economy was tanking big time and I doubt there were very many profitable trans-Atlantic routes at the time yet DL was getting millions to "take a chance :sarcastic:" in a market deparate for a nonstop to Europe. The economy rebounded when the flight came off subsidy and DL charged monopoly fares for the monopoly they had, kept it seasonal anyway (as if their year round markets don't fall off in the winter) and pushed their off season traffic through hubs instead of running it nonstop at reasonable off season fares.

The PIT-Europe market was really DL's to lose before WW, DE, and BA showed up. My gut feeling is they got a bit greedy with the exorbitant fares and capacity restrictions. Delta has to decide if they want to be a player in the nonstop mid size city - Europe market or not. What are they gonna do when Condor or BA shows up at IND and/or CVG? When RDU gets a third trans-Atlantic flight? And make no mistake, they will get a third flight. Meanwhile British Airways, for all they knew at the time, was entering the Pittsburgh market as a fourth carrier to Europe. That's how strong they felt about the market and its potential. No, the $3 million had very little if anything to do with them deciding on PIT over other markets.

So to answer your question, IMHO no DL should not get any money to reinstate PIT-CDG. If they were so inclined to give PIT-Europe another shot then perhaps PIT-AMS would get them a new round of subsidies as it is a new destination.

The ACAA has a five year plan for airlines they would like to see. For Europe I can see it consisting of BA daily, greatly increased DE service or LH, and one low cost option such as EI to DUB. I wouldn't be surprised to see EI in 2020 or 2021.
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