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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:33 pm

PITexpress wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Make no mistake losing PIT-CDG and a Skyteam connection to Europe was a huge loss for PIT. The connections at CDG were far more numerous than what BA can offer with their sub-optimally timed PIT-LHR flight. I still wish DL would have stuck it out with 5x weekly 757s, especially with the loss of WW. Its not like DL never offered less than daily 757 service....


Completely agree here, I was just thinking the same about DL as I was trying to book flights to Europe for this coming summer. Maybe LHR is the number 1 desired European destination, but it doesn't come close to the connections we had from CDG. Everything from LRH is either expensive or over an 8 hour layover. Both make it not that helpful. Condor's great to have, but at 2x weekly, it's hard to make it work. Them having a few extra weekly flights would be really nice to make up for the loss of DL/WW. I'm sure the chances to get DL back on the CDG route are nil, (I called DL last year to express my displeasure that it was being cut) but it would be most welcome. And honestly, as excited as I was about PIT-LHR, I don't see it being nearly has convenient as PIT-CDG was, unless you're going to the UK.

Could the ACAA have offered Delta money once again for the CDG flight the way BWI does for BA?


DL got somewhere between $5-7 million (exact figure is not public) at the start of their 10 year PIT-CDG run. The economy was tanking big time and I doubt there were very many profitable trans-Atlantic routes at the time yet DL was getting millions to "take a chance :sarcastic:" in a market deparate for a nonstop to Europe. The economy rebounded when the flight came off subsidy and DL charged monopoly fares for the monopoly they had, kept it seasonal anyway (as if their year round markets don't fall off in the winter) and pushed their off season traffic through hubs instead of running it nonstop at reasonable off season fares.

The PIT-Europe market was really DL's to lose before WW, DE, and BA showed up. My gut feeling is they got a bit greedy with the exorbitant fares and capacity restrictions. Delta has to decide if they want to be a player in the nonstop mid size city - Europe market or not. What are they gonna do when Condor or BA shows up at IND and/or CVG? When RDU gets a third trans-Atlantic flight? And make no mistake, they will get a third flight. Meanwhile British Airways, for all they knew at the time, was entering the Pittsburgh market as a fourth carrier to Europe. That's how strong they felt about the market and its potential. No, the $3 million had very little if anything to do with them deciding on PIT over other markets.

So to answer your question, IMHO no DL should not get any money to reinstate PIT-CDG. If they were so inclined to give PIT-Europe another shot then perhaps PIT-AMS would get them a new round of subsidies as it is a new destination.

The ACAA has a five year plan for airlines they would like to see. For Europe I can see it consisting of BA daily, greatly increased DE service or LH, and one low cost option such as EI to DUB. I wouldn't be surprised to see EI in 2020 or 2021.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:00 pm

Some excellent points made here:

"Region can’t afford to pass on $1.1B Pittsburgh airport plan, officials say"
https://triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/region-cant-afford-to-pass-on-1-1b-pittsburgh-airport-plan-officials-say/
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:06 pm

flyPIT wrote:
PITexpress wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Make no mistake losing PIT-CDG and a Skyteam connection to Europe was a huge loss for PIT. The connections at CDG were far more numerous than what BA can offer with their sub-optimally timed PIT-LHR flight. I still wish DL would have stuck it out with 5x weekly 757s, especially with the loss of WW. Its not like DL never offered less than daily 757 service....


Completely agree here, I was just thinking the same about DL as I was trying to book flights to Europe for this coming summer. Maybe LHR is the number 1 desired European destination, but it doesn't come close to the connections we had from CDG. Everything from LRH is either expensive or over an 8 hour layover. Both make it not that helpful. Condor's great to have, but at 2x weekly, it's hard to make it work. Them having a few extra weekly flights would be really nice to make up for the loss of DL/WW. I'm sure the chances to get DL back on the CDG route are nil, (I called DL last year to express my displeasure that it was being cut) but it would be most welcome. And honestly, as excited as I was about PIT-LHR, I don't see it being nearly has convenient as PIT-CDG was, unless you're going to the UK.

Could the ACAA have offered Delta money once again for the CDG flight the way BWI does for BA?


DL got somewhere between $5-7 million (exact figure is not public) at the start of their 10 year PIT-CDG run. The economy was tanking big time and I doubt there were very many profitable trans-Atlantic routes at the time yet DL was getting millions to "take a chance :sarcastic:" in a market deparate for a nonstop to Europe. The economy rebounded when the flight came off subsidy and DL charged monopoly fares for the monopoly they had, kept it seasonal anyway (as if their year round markets don't fall off in the winter) and pushed their off season traffic through hubs instead of running it nonstop at reasonable off season fares.

The PIT-Europe market was really DL's to lose before WW, DE, and BA showed up. My gut feeling is they got a bit greedy with the exorbitant fares and capacity restrictions. Delta has to decide if they want to be a player in the nonstop mid size city - Europe market or not. What are they gonna do when Condor or BA shows up at IND and/or CVG? When RDU gets a third trans-Atlantic flight? And make no mistake, they will get a third flight. Meanwhile British Airways, for all they knew at the time, was entering the Pittsburgh market as a fourth carrier to Europe. That's how strong they felt about the market and its potential. No, the $3 million had very little if anything to do with them deciding on PIT over other markets.

So to answer your question, IMHO no DL should not get any money to reinstate PIT-CDG. If they were so inclined to give PIT-Europe another shot then perhaps PIT-AMS would get them a new round of subsidies as it is a new destination.

The ACAA has a five year plan for airlines they would like to see. For Europe I can see it consisting of BA daily, greatly increased DE service or LH, and one low cost option such as EI to DUB. I wouldn't be surprised to see EI in 2020 or 2021.


Yes the other transatlantic carriers chased DL out of PIT, but DL was also dealing with a fleet shortage. They took the 757 off the route (the perfect size) to put it on their Delta One Transcons. So they were forced to up-gauge to the 767 when the competition was heating up. They made the decision that 767 could be better used (more profitably) elsewhere. Like up gauging the 757 BOS-DUB to a 767. Its just business. Maybe some day when delta has some A321LRs or 797s they will be back.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:40 pm

PITexpress wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Make no mistake losing PIT-CDG and a Skyteam connection to Europe was a huge loss for PIT. The connections at CDG were far more numerous than what BA can offer with their sub-optimally timed PIT-LHR flight. I still wish DL would have stuck it out with 5x weekly 757s, especially with the loss of WW. Its not like DL never offered less than daily 757 service....


Completely agree here, I was just thinking the same about DL as I was trying to book flights to Europe for this coming summer. Maybe LHR is the number 1 desired European destination, but it doesn't come close to the connections we had from CDG. Everything from LRH is either expensive or over an 8 hour layover. Both make it not that helpful. Condor's great to have, but at 2x weekly, it's hard to make it work. Them having a few extra weekly flights would be really nice to make up for the loss of DL/WW. I'm sure the chances to get DL back on the CDG route are nil, (I called DL last year to express my displeasure that it was being cut) but it would be most welcome. And honestly, as excited as I was about PIT-LHR, I don't see it being nearly has convenient as PIT-CDG was, unless you're going to the UK.

Could the ACAA have offered Delta money once again for the CDG flight the way BWI does for BA?

I heard rumors that Air France may pick up the PIT-CDG route
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:21 pm

Awesome visitor at LBE this beautiful afternoon:
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6 pics in total.


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I heard rumors that Air France may pick up the PIT-CDG route

From?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:03 am

Gsasala wrote:
I heard rumors that Air France may pick up the PIT-CDG route


Absent anything credible, I dont think it's very likely Air France announces PIT any time soon. Unlike BAW and DLH, they don't seem apt to take chances on "secondary" markets like Pittsburgh. They tend to keep to Skyteam fortresses and major metros and PIT is neither of those things.

Happy to be proven wrong, of course.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:45 pm

flyPIT wrote:
The PIT-Europe market was really DL's to lose before WW, DE, and BA showed up. My gut feeling is they got a bit greedy with the exorbitant fares and capacity restrictions. Delta has to decide if they want to be a player in the nonstop mid size city - Europe market or not. What are they gonna do when Condor or BA shows up at IND and/or CVG? When RDU gets a third trans-Atlantic flight? And make no mistake, they will get a third flight. Meanwhile British Airways, for all they knew at the time, was entering the Pittsburgh market as a fourth carrier to Europe. That's how strong they felt about the market and its potential. No, the $3 million had very little if anything to do with them deciding on PIT over other markets.

The ACAA has a five year plan for airlines they would like to see. For Europe I can see it consisting of BA daily, greatly increased DE service or LH, and one low cost option such as EI to DUB. I wouldn't be surprised to see EI in 2020 or 2021.


pitbosflyer wrote:
Yes the other transatlantic carriers chased DL out of PIT, but DL was also dealing with a fleet shortage. They took the 757 off the route (the perfect size) to put it on their Delta One Transcons. So they were forced to up-gauge to the 767 when the competition was heating up. They made the decision that 767 could be better used (more profitably) elsewhere. Like up gauging the 757 BOS-DUB to a 767. Its just business. Maybe some day when delta has some A321LRs or 797s they will be back.


I think you both sum it up rather well. Just a combination of factors that meant that PIT didn't keep its CDG flight. I think the airport has shown that it can support 3 carriers to Europe, and increased frequencies on Condor or EI would certainly work well together.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:44 pm

It looks like the A321 NEOx is off the LAX
AA9659 from Pittsburgh to Los Angeles https://fr24.com/AAL9659/20c4db97
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:24 pm

International loads for November 2018:

WW
PIT-KEF 71% PIT-KEF 73%

AC
PIT-YUL 58% YUL-PIT 59%
PIT-YYZ 65% YYZ-PIT 69%

G4
PIT-CUN 76% CUN-PIT 81%
PIT-PUJ 92% PUJ-PIT 92%

Domestic loads for February 2019:

WN
PIT-ATL 79% ATL-PIT 68%
PIT-BWI 66% BWI-PIT 67%
PIT-MDW 61% MDW-PIT 58%
PIT-DAL 64% DAL-PIT 66%
PIT-DEN 91% DEN-PIT 86%
PIT-FLL 96% FLL-PIT 93%
PIT-RSW 97% RSW-PIT 85%
PIT-HOU 78% HOU-PIT 67%
PIT-LAS 87% LAS-PIT 90%
PIT-LAX 65% LAX-PIT 70%
PIT-BNA 78% BNA-PIT 73%
PIT-MSY 53% MSY-PIT 89%
PIT-MCO 96% MCO-PIT 89%
PIT-PHX 89% PHX-PIT 91%
PIT-STL 77% STL-PIT 74%
PIT-TPA 90% TPA-PIT 80%

AA
PIT-CLT 82.3% CLT-PIT 84.67%
PIT-ORD 66% ORD-PIT 54.7%
PIT-DFW 88% DFW-PIT 89%
PIT-MIA 92% MIA-PIT 91.5%
PIT-JFK 70% JFK-PIT 60%
PIT-LGA 46% LGA-PIT 56%
PIT-PHL 75.3% PHL-PIT 75.3%
PIT-PHX 83% PHX-PIT 84%
PIT-RDU 81% RDU-PIT 69%
PIT-DCA 72% DCA-PIT 68.5%

DL
PIT-ATL 81% ATL-PIT 76%
PIT-BOS 61% BOS-PIT 57%
PIT-DTW 64.5% DTW-PIT 72%
PIT-MSP 67% MSP-PIT 69%
PIT-JFK 52% JFK-PIT 51.5%
PIT-LGA 52% LGA-PIT 57.3%
PIT-SLC 92% SLC-PIT 80%

UA
PIT-ORD 75% ORD-PIT 73%
PIT-DEN 84% DEN-PIT 77%
PIT-IAH 81% IAH-PIT 79.5%
PIT-EWR 69.3% EWR-PIT 68.3%
PIT-SFO 78% SFO-PIT 76%
PIT-IAD 66% IAD-PIT 65%

B6
PIT-BOS 69% BOS-PIT 70%

G4
PIT-CHS 75% CHS-PIT 63%
PIT-JAX 91% JAX-PIT 84%
PIT-PGD 92% PGD-PIT 86%
PIT-SFB 93% SFB-PIT 86%
PIT-SJU 62% SJU-PIT 63%
PIT-SRQ 93% SRQ-PIT 88%
PIT-SAV 83% SAV-PIT 72%
PIT-PIE 91% PIE-PIT 86%
MSY-PIT 41%

NK
PIT-FLL 93% FLL-PIT 89%
PIT-RSW 89% RSW-PIT 88%
PIT-LAS 68% LAS-PIT 70%
PIT-LAX 72% LAX-PIT 72%
PIT-MCO 97% MCO-PIT 92%
PIT-TPA 92% TPA-PIT 88%

AS
PIT-SEA 62% SEA-PIT 61%

F9
PIT-DEN 93% DEN-PIT 81%
PIT-PBI 94% PBI-PIT 91%

9X
PIT-AOO 22% AOO-PIT 23%
PIT-BFD 31% BFD-PIT 30%
PIT-DUJ 32% DUJ-PIT 34%
PIT-FKL 17% FKL-PIT 19%
PIT-HGR 31% HGR-PIT 28%
PIT-LNS 48% LNS-PIT 53%
PIT-MGW 21% MGW-PIT 21%
PIT-AVP 25% AVP-PIT 22%

4B
PIT-JST 44% JST-PIT 48%
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:25 pm

Runway28L wrote:
International loads for November 2018:

WW
PIT-KEF 71% PIT-KEF 73%

AC
PIT-YUL 58% YUL-PIT 59%
PIT-YYZ 65% YYZ-PIT 69%

G4
PIT-CUN 76% CUN-PIT 81%
PIT-PUJ 92% PUJ-PIT 92%

Domestic loads for February 2019:

WN
PIT-ATL 79% ATL-PIT 68%
PIT-BWI 66% BWI-PIT 67%
PIT-MDW 61% MDW-PIT 58%
PIT-DAL 64% DAL-PIT 66%
PIT-DEN 91% DEN-PIT 86%
PIT-FLL 96% FLL-PIT 93%
PIT-RSW 97% RSW-PIT 85%
PIT-HOU 78% HOU-PIT 67%
PIT-LAS 87% LAS-PIT 90%
PIT-LAX 65% LAX-PIT 70%
PIT-BNA 78% BNA-PIT 73%
PIT-MSY 53% MSY-PIT 89%
PIT-MCO 96% MCO-PIT 89%
PIT-PHX 89% PHX-PIT 91%
PIT-STL 77% STL-PIT 74%
PIT-TPA 90% TPA-PIT 80%

AA
PIT-CLT 82.3% CLT-PIT 84.67%
PIT-ORD 66% ORD-PIT 54.7%
PIT-DFW 88% DFW-PIT 89%
PIT-MIA 92% MIA-PIT 91.5%
PIT-JFK 70% JFK-PIT 60%
PIT-LGA 46% LGA-PIT 56%
PIT-PHL 75.3% PHL-PIT 75.3%
PIT-PHX 83% PHX-PIT 84%
PIT-RDU 81% RDU-PIT 69%
PIT-DCA 72% DCA-PIT 68.5%

DL
PIT-ATL 81% ATL-PIT 76%
PIT-BOS 61% BOS-PIT 57%
PIT-DTW 64.5% DTW-PIT 72%
PIT-MSP 67% MSP-PIT 69%
PIT-JFK 52% JFK-PIT 51.5%
PIT-LGA 52% LGA-PIT 57.3%
PIT-SLC 92% SLC-PIT 80%

UA
PIT-ORD 75% ORD-PIT 73%
PIT-DEN 84% DEN-PIT 77%
PIT-IAH 81% IAH-PIT 79.5%
PIT-EWR 69.3% EWR-PIT 68.3%
PIT-SFO 78% SFO-PIT 76%
PIT-IAD 66% IAD-PIT 65%

B6
PIT-BOS 69% BOS-PIT 70%

G4
PIT-CHS 75% CHS-PIT 63%
PIT-JAX 91% JAX-PIT 84%
PIT-PGD 92% PGD-PIT 86%
PIT-SFB 93% SFB-PIT 86%
PIT-SJU 62% SJU-PIT 63%
PIT-SRQ 93% SRQ-PIT 88%
PIT-SAV 83% SAV-PIT 72%
PIT-PIE 91% PIE-PIT 86%
MSY-PIT 41%

NK
PIT-FLL 93% FLL-PIT 89%
PIT-RSW 89% RSW-PIT 88%
PIT-LAS 68% LAS-PIT 70%
PIT-LAX 72% LAX-PIT 72%
PIT-MCO 97% MCO-PIT 92%
PIT-TPA 92% TPA-PIT 88%

AS
PIT-SEA 62% SEA-PIT 61%

F9
PIT-DEN 93% DEN-PIT 81%
PIT-PBI 94% PBI-PIT 91%

9X
PIT-AOO 22% AOO-PIT 23%
PIT-BFD 31% BFD-PIT 30%
PIT-DUJ 32% DUJ-PIT 34%
PIT-FKL 17% FKL-PIT 19%
PIT-HGR 31% HGR-PIT 28%
PIT-LNS 48% LNS-PIT 53%
PIT-MGW 21% MGW-PIT 21%
PIT-AVP 25% AVP-PIT 22%

4B
PIT-JST 44% JST-PIT 48%

Honestly those are pretty good load factors it would be nice if some we're higher like LGA and JFK, I hope to see Miami go to 3 ERJ 175s daily, or even have that go mainline with a ERJ 145 and have DFW come back with the A321
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:04 pm

Runway28L wrote:
International loads for November 2018:
AC
PIT-YUL 58% YUL-PIT 59%

Here's the numbers for BWI:
BWI-YUL 60% YUL-BWI 60%
I'm keeping an eye on that one because BWI is now 2x daily in the summer. Similar numbers at PIT now, at least in Nov.


Runway28L wrote:
NK
PIT-FLL 93% FLL-PIT 89%
PIT-RSW 89% RSW-PIT 88%
PIT-LAS 68% LAS-PIT 70%
PIT-LAX 72% LAX-PIT 72%
PIT-MCO 97% MCO-PIT 92%
PIT-TPA 92% TPA-PIT 88%



F9
PIT-PBI 94% PBI-PIT 91%


9X
PIT-AOO 22% AOO-PIT 23%
PIT-BFD 31% BFD-PIT 30%
PIT-DUJ 32% DUJ-PIT 34%
PIT-FKL 17% FKL-PIT 19%
PIT-HGR 31% HGR-PIT 28%
PIT-LNS 48% LNS-PIT 53%
PIT-MGW 21% MGW-PIT 21%
PIT-AVP 25% AVP-PIT 22%

4B
PIT-JST 44% JST-PIT 48%


-Looks like NK could use some added capacity on their north/south routes from PIT.

-With a 94% LF on F9, look for them to drop that route for next year.

-With the exception of LNS, it's interesting Boutique Air's JST flight has markedly higher LF's than the entire Southern Airways operation from PIT. The PC-12 seats 8 or 9, and the Caravan seats 9.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:19 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
International loads for November 2018:
AC
PIT-YUL 58% YUL-PIT 59%

Here's the numbers for BWI:
BWI-YUL 60% YUL-BWI 60%
I'm keeping an eye on that one because BWI is now 2x daily in the summer. Similar numbers at PIT now, at least in Nov.

A additional flight with a morning departure/nighttime arrival would be nice to have.

flyPIT wrote:
-Looks like NK could use some added capacity on their north/south routes from PIT.

IMO it would be reasonable for NK to up PIT-TPA/RSW to 1x daily next winter. Overall, PIT-Florida could use more winter capacity.

flyPIT wrote:
-With a 94% LF on F9, look for them to drop that route for next year.

:lol: Right! Being serious, I think F9 should up this route too. On another note, lack of flights to PBI is one of the more frequent complaints I've seen lately from Pittsburgh travelers online.

flyPIT wrote:
-With the exception of LNS, it's interesting Boutique Air's JST flight has markedly higher LF's than the entire Southern Airways operation from PIT. The PC-12 seats 8 or 9, and the Caravan seats 9.

And looking at past data, Boutique is getting higher loads on JST than Southern ever did. Perhaps the appeal of the PC-12 versus the C208B might be a factor.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:59 am

Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
-With a 94% LF on F9, look for them to drop that route for next year.

:lol: Right! Being serious, I think F9 should up this route too. On another note, lack of flights to PBI is one of the more frequent complaints I've seen lately from Pittsburgh travelers online.

PIT-PBI just can't get a break. WN offered seasonal Saturday only flights for a couple years. It totaled a whopping 5 flights per year. Next up was G4 but then they yank the route as part of a complete withdrawal from PBI. Then OneJet. Now F9 and I don't expect anything from them next year. I see no reason why PIT-PBI can't be served 1x daily by someone.


Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
-With the exception of LNS, it's interesting Boutique Air's JST flight has markedly higher LF's than the entire Southern Airways operation from PIT. The PC-12 seats 8 or 9, and the Caravan seats 9.

And looking at past data, Boutique is getting higher loads on JST than Southern ever did. Perhaps the appeal of the PC-12 versus the C208B might be a factor.

I wouldn't think aircraft type would be a factor for the average traveler here considering they are both single engine props, but who knows. If Boutique is really pulling in additional passengers due to who they are then perhaps they can give PIT-AVP/MDT a shot, both dropped by Southen Airways.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:15 am

Just returned from a week in London. Took BA 170 and 171. Outbound was full, at least in business and coach. First class has the lay flat seats! That was last Tuesday. Just retuned today with about 30 seats available in Business and Coach. Outbound was delayed about 30 minutes due to t-storms, with one over PIT. Great light show. Made up time en-route with arrival maybe 5 mins late. Several Indian ex-pats on board. This flight should be attractive for the India connecting flights. Don't know the LHR schedule for those. Return left on time and arrived about 20 minutes early. At LHR, the Indian ex-pats were all brought into the waiting area first for some reason. I was selected for additional security screening and was not happy about that one. One India ex-pat couple was connecting at PIT for Canada. Cabin crew spending 4 days here before their return. The 787 cruise altitude was 40000 over and 41000 back.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:57 am

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
-With a 94% LF on F9, look for them to drop that route for next year.

:lol: Right! Being serious, I think F9 should up this route too. On another note, lack of flights to PBI is one of the more frequent complaints I've seen lately from Pittsburgh travelers online.

PIT-PBI just can't get a break. WN offered seasonal Saturday only flights for a couple years. It totaled a whopping 5 flights per year. Next up was G4 but then they yank the route as part of a complete withdrawal from PBI. Then OneJet. Now F9 and I don't expect anything from them next year. I see no reason why PIT-PBI can't be served 1x daily by someone.

Especially now that B6 has pulled the plug on FLL-PIT.
I hope that F9 comes back, but I'm not holding my breath considering their record with the routes they added.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:08 am

Has anyone heard any update on VIA? Last week I was looking and PIT-BDL was listed as an option but no dates available to select. Tonight I was actually looking to book it and now BDL doesn't come up as an option at all. Are they pulling a OneJet on us? Thanks!
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:23 am

ConcourseZ wrote:
This flight should be attractive for the India connecting flights. Don't know the LHR schedule for those.

Errr.. there are no India connecting flights.. unless you want to wait 11 hours at LHR with the exception of Bangalore (or whatever they are calling it this week) in which case you have a 4 hour layover. The PIT flight gets in too late.

ConcourseZ wrote:
One India ex-pat couple was connecting at PIT for Canada. Cabin crew spending 4 days here before their return.

Interesting on both counts. I wonder where the crew stays at.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:34 am

JohnPgh wrote:
Has anyone heard any update on VIA? Last week I was looking and PIT-BDL was listed as an option but no dates available to select. Tonight I was actually looking to book it and now BDL doesn't come up as an option at all. Are they pulling a OneJet on us? Thanks!


They're going back to public charters at the moment....they're not coming back as a scheduled operator anytime soon with their ongoing pilot shortage. There's an active thread about their myriad of issues, BTW.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:38 pm

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Especially now that B6 has pulled the plug on FLL-PIT.
I hope that F9 comes back, but I'm not holding my breath considering their record with the routes they added.


Ugh, I laughed too. Why won't F9 take this route as an actual success out of PIT and (gasp) expand it. ULCC's and LCC's have always done well for PIT-Flordia as there's a huge market there for it. If nothing else, F9 being successful in the PIT-Flordia market could get them some more brand awareness in Pittsburgh. (I mean they could also advertise here...)
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:28 pm

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ConcourseZ wrote:
This flight should be attractive for the India connecting flights. Don't know the LHR schedule for those.

Errr.. there are no India connecting flights.. unless you want to wait 11 hours at LHR with the exception of Bangalore (or whatever they are calling it this week) in which case you have a 4 hour layover. The PIT flight gets in too late.


The only doable one stop connection flights to the big Indian cities from PIT is on UA and their partners thru either EWR or ORD. That being said I know many people are willing to do 2 stop flights to save money. Some of the B6 BOS traffic from PIT feeds their Emirates flights.
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:03 pm

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Ugh, I laughed too. Why won't F9 take this route as an actual success out of PIT and (gasp) expand it. ULCC's and LCC's have always done well for PIT-Flordia as there's a huge market there for it. If nothing else, F9 being successful in the PIT-Flordia market could get them some more brand awareness in Pittsburgh. (I mean they could also advertise here...)

And lets not forget F9's former MCO-PIT-SAN rotation with an A321. IIRC the MCO sector had LF's north of 85% and the SAN sector north of 80%. So PIT-MCO would be north of 95% with an A320 yet they drop it anyway...
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:05 pm

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And lets not forget F9's former MCO-PIT-SAN rotation with an A321. IIRC the MCO sector had LF's north of 85% and the SAN sector north of 80%. So PIT-MCO would be north of 95% with an A320 yet they drop it anyway...


Is it feasible for F9 to route aircraft from Flordia to PIT and back? Or do their aircraft need to come from DEN or the west coast? I would think that F9 would have a Flordia base.
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:51 pm

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flyPIT wrote:
And lets not forget F9's former MCO-PIT-SAN rotation with an A321. IIRC the MCO sector had LF's north of 85% and the SAN sector north of 80%. So PIT-MCO would be north of 95% with an A320 yet they drop it anyway...


Is it feasible for F9 to route aircraft from Flordia to PIT and back? Or do their aircraft need to come from DEN or the west coast? I would think that F9 would have a Flordia base.

They have an MCO base, aircraft and both crews.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:09 pm

flyPIT wrote:
PITexpress wrote:
Ugh, I laughed too. Why won't F9 take this route as an actual success out of PIT and (gasp) expand it. ULCC's and LCC's have always done well for PIT-Flordia as there's a huge market there for it. If nothing else, F9 being successful in the PIT-Flordia market could get them some more brand awareness in Pittsburgh. (I mean they could also advertise here...)

And lets not forget F9's former MCO-PIT-SAN rotation with an A321. IIRC the MCO sector had LF's north of 85% and the SAN sector north of 80%. So PIT-MCO would be north of 95% with an A320 yet they drop it anyway...

If the MCO-PIT-SAN flight was daily they could have had fuller flights, back when that flight was running if you looked up flights from MCO to SAN the first flight was the flight from MCO-PIT with an hour layover then PIT-SAN and vice versa. So I feel that a good amount of passengers were connecting on that flight
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:40 pm

Gsasala wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
PITexpress wrote:
Ugh, I laughed too. Why won't F9 take this route as an actual success out of PIT and (gasp) expand it. ULCC's and LCC's have always done well for PIT-Flordia as there's a huge market there for it. If nothing else, F9 being successful in the PIT-Flordia market could get them some more brand awareness in Pittsburgh. (I mean they could also advertise here...)

And lets not forget F9's former MCO-PIT-SAN rotation with an A321. IIRC the MCO sector had LF's north of 85% and the SAN sector north of 80%. So PIT-MCO would be north of 95% with an A320 yet they drop it anyway...

If the MCO-PIT-SAN flight was daily they could have had fuller flights, back when that flight was running if you looked up flights from MCO to SAN the first flight was the flight from MCO-PIT with an hour layover then PIT-SAN and vice versa. So I feel that a good amount of passengers were connecting on that flight


They’ve flown MCO-SAN nonstop on and off for the last few years and are restarting it, daily with an A320, starting next week so your theory that they were carrying a a fair amount of people MCO-SAN with the stop in PIT may be correct.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:50 am

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flyPIT wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
This flight should be attractive for the India connecting flights. Don't know the LHR schedule for those.

Errr.. there are no India connecting flights.. unless you want to wait 11 hours at LHR with the exception of Bangalore (or whatever they are calling it this week) in which case you have a 4 hour layover. The PIT flight gets in too late.


The only doable one stop connection flights to the big Indian cities from PIT is on UA and their partners thru either EWR or ORD. That being said I know many people are willing to do 2 stop flights to save money. Some of the B6 BOS traffic from PIT feeds their Emirates flights.

Bangalore and Hyderabad have a reasonable connection time. Flights to Delhi or Mumbai would be a long layover.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:53 pm

The UK civil aviation authority released their stats for April '19. There were 17 LHR-PIT round trips that carried 4,796 passengers. BA's B788s carry 214 passengers; total seats available (I am not aware of any cancellations or equipment swaps) was 7,276 so this equals a 65.9% LF.

Page 54:
https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/CAA/Content/Standard_Content/Data_and_analysis/Datasets/Airport_stats/Airport_data_2019_04/Table_12_1_Intl_Air_Pax_Traffic_Route_Analysis.pdf

Pretty much what I expected considering a lot of return traffic is not captured during the first few weeks of a new flight.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:56 pm

FWIW

I'm visiting parents in PIT this weekend, from MSP.

I'm flying F9 into Cleveland, then taking a rental the two hours and driving the rest of the way.

After tax for my wife and I it was about $80 each way, add a $140 rental for 5 days makes the total cost about $462. Kids fly free promotion (3 of them).

There is one direct flight from MSP to PIT - that's Delta. Minimum cost $1000++

What is it with the lack of competition for a MSP - PIT route? Why doesn't PIT have a local hub airliner? Even MSP has the "local airline" Sun Country.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:10 pm

Luckyleaf6 wrote:
FWIW

I'm visiting parents in PIT this weekend, from MSP.

I'm flying F9 into Cleveland, then taking a rental the two hours and driving the rest of the way.

After tax for my wife and I it was about $80 each way, add a $140 rental for 5 days makes the total cost about $462. Kids fly free promotion (3 of them).

There is one direct flight from MSP to PIT - that's Delta. Minimum cost $1000++

What is it with the lack of competition for a MSP - PIT route? Why doesn't PIT have a local hub airliner? Even MSP has the "local airline" Sun Country.

Demand on PIT-MSP is not very high. It’s mostly connecting traffic with little O&D.

DL appears to have downgraded mainline to seasonal on this route. It was all-CRJ9 from late December-late March and the schedule for next winter shows the same story.

I believe NK hinted at PIT-MSP in the past, but I don’t see it happening. Sun Country though I think will happen at some point.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:09 pm

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Demand on PIT-MSP is not very high. It’s mostly connecting traffic with little O&D.

DL appears to have downgraded mainline to seasonal on this route. It was all-CRJ9 from late December-late March and the schedule for next winter shows the same story.

I believe NK hinted at PIT-MSP in the past, but I don’t see it happening. Sun Country though I think will happen at some point.

Demand might not be high but close in fares on DL are insane which will greatly suppress demand... and cause people to fly to CLE and rent cars.

CLE has done very well with ULCCs. Case in point G4 entering CLE after PIT yet CLE-SAV is already daily & starting CLE-ORF. Same story with Spirit - they are up to 12 destinations vs. our 7. Then of course F9. Other than PIT-TYS it's been very stagnant at PIT with new route announcements from the ULCCs. Sun Country would be a great add not only to serve MSP but IMHO they are potentially the most likely carrier to restore a link to PDX some day.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:05 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Demand on PIT-MSP is not very high. It’s mostly connecting traffic with little O&D.

DL appears to have downgraded mainline to seasonal on this route. It was all-CRJ9 from late December-late March and the schedule for next winter shows the same story.

I believe NK hinted at PIT-MSP in the past, but I don’t see it happening. Sun Country though I think will happen at some point.

Demand might not be high but close in fares on DL are insane which will greatly suppress demand... and cause people to fly to CLE and rent cars.

CLE has done very well with ULCCs. Case in point G4 entering CLE after PIT yet CLE-SAV is already daily & starting CLE-ORF. Same story with Spirit - they are up to 12 destinations vs. our 7. Then of course F9. Other than PIT-TYS it's been very stagnant at PIT with new route announcements from the ULCCs. Sun Country would be a great add not only to serve MSP but IMHO they are potentially the most likely carrier to restore a link to PDX some day.


For some reason, folks in PIT don't want to embrace the ULCC but would rather continue to pay high fares on the likes of AA, UA, DL, and even WN. I have stopped flying back to PIT after moving to a city with no low-cost direct service to PIT as I for one refuse to pay an arm and a leg if I can just go to CLE and drive for far cheaper.

If you don't use it you lose it or don't show there is high demand for the carrier they just won't expand.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:11 pm

NASA T-38 inbound from HSV.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/NAS ... /KHSV/KPIT

Edit: Also have an Atlas Air B763 scheduled from PIA.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI ... /KPIA/KPIT
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:18 pm

dabpit wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Demand on PIT-MSP is not very high. It’s mostly connecting traffic with little O&D.

DL appears to have downgraded mainline to seasonal on this route. It was all-CRJ9 from late December-late March and the schedule for next winter shows the same story.

I believe NK hinted at PIT-MSP in the past, but I don’t see it happening. Sun Country though I think will happen at some point.

Demand might not be high but close in fares on DL are insane which will greatly suppress demand... and cause people to fly to CLE and rent cars.

CLE has done very well with ULCCs. Case in point G4 entering CLE after PIT yet CLE-SAV is already daily & starting CLE-ORF. Same story with Spirit - they are up to 12 destinations vs. our 7. Then of course F9. Other than PIT-TYS it's been very stagnant at PIT with new route announcements from the ULCCs. Sun Country would be a great add not only to serve MSP but IMHO they are potentially the most likely carrier to restore a link to PDX some day.


For some reason, folks in PIT don't want to embrace the ULCC but would rather continue to pay high fares on the likes of AA, UA, DL, and even WN. I have stopped flying back to PIT after moving to a city with no low-cost direct service to PIT as I for one refuse to pay an arm and a leg if I can just go to CLE and drive for far cheaper.

If you don't use it you lose it or don't show there is high demand for the carrier they just won't expand.


After the demise of the US Airways hub SWA and other mainline airlines filled the gap since LCCs were not that big in the early 2000s. The big loyalty for AA came after the US Airways-AA merger. CLE is bigger for ULCC and LCC after the United hub demise since ULCC/LCC filled the gap and not main line carriers. Thankfully Pittsburgh has LBE as a LCC option for the people on east side of the metro area so we don’t have to spend the time traveling all the way to PIT for cheap flights.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:54 pm

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dabpit wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Demand might not be high but close in fares on DL are insane which will greatly suppress demand... and cause people to fly to CLE and rent cars.

CLE has done very well with ULCCs. Case in point G4 entering CLE after PIT yet CLE-SAV is already daily & starting CLE-ORF. Same story with Spirit - they are up to 12 destinations vs. our 7. Then of course F9. Other than PIT-TYS it's been very stagnant at PIT with new route announcements from the ULCCs. Sun Country would be a great add not only to serve MSP but IMHO they are potentially the most likely carrier to restore a link to PDX some day.


For some reason, folks in PIT don't want to embrace the ULCC but would rather continue to pay high fares on the likes of AA, UA, DL, and even WN. I have stopped flying back to PIT after moving to a city with no low-cost direct service to PIT as I for one refuse to pay an arm and a leg if I can just go to CLE and drive for far cheaper.

If you don't use it you lose it or don't show there is high demand for the carrier they just won't expand.


After the demise of the US Airways hub SWA and other mainline airlines filled the gap since LCCs were not that big in the early 2000s. The big loyalty for AA came after the US Airways-AA merger. CLE is bigger for ULCC and LCC after the United hub demise since ULCC/LCC filled the gap and not main line carriers. Thankfully Pittsburgh has LBE as a LCC option for the people on east side of the metro area so we don’t have to spend the time traveling all the way to PIT for cheap flights.


Also the initial PIT area allegiance to AA/US after the dubbing likely hurt the initial chance of expansion for ULCC/LCC in PIT. Its likely why WN couldn't make PHL work and B6 JFK.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:16 pm

I'm not sure the allegiance to AA/US holds water today wrt developing the ULCC networks at PIT. The dehubbing was 15 years ago. WN is the largest carrier at PIT in terms of passengers carried. CLE was dehubbed well after PIT yet they have had far greater success with the ULCCs while UA maintains a larger operation there than AA at PIT.

I agree with the reason WN couldn't make PHL work, but that was 15 years ago now. It's a completely different landscape now if they want to give it another go.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:28 pm

Delta28L wrote:
dabpit wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Demand might not be high but close in fares on DL are insane which will greatly suppress demand... and cause people to fly to CLE and rent cars.

CLE has done very well with ULCCs. Case in point G4 entering CLE after PIT yet CLE-SAV is already daily & starting CLE-ORF. Same story with Spirit - they are up to 12 destinations vs. our 7. Then of course F9. Other than PIT-TYS it's been very stagnant at PIT with new route announcements from the ULCCs. Sun Country would be a great add not only to serve MSP but IMHO they are potentially the most likely carrier to restore a link to PDX some day.


For some reason, folks in PIT don't want to embrace the ULCC but would rather continue to pay high fares on the likes of AA, UA, DL, and even WN. I have stopped flying back to PIT after moving to a city with no low-cost direct service to PIT as I for one refuse to pay an arm and a leg if I can just go to CLE and drive for far cheaper.

If you don't use it you lose it or don't show there is high demand for the carrier they just won't expand.


After the demise of the US Airways hub SWA and other mainline airlines filled the gap since LCCs were not that big in the early 2000s. The big loyalty for AA came after the US Airways-AA merger. CLE is bigger for ULCC and LCC after the United hub demise since ULCC/LCC filled the gap and not main line carriers. Thankfully Pittsburgh has LBE as a LCC option for the people on east side of the metro area so we don’t have to spend the time traveling all the way to PIT for cheap flights.


There was a built in ULCC test market at CAK while the CLE hub was operating. I have a feeling that's why CLE has a larger operation now.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:08 pm

dabpit wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Demand on PIT-MSP is not very high. It’s mostly connecting traffic with little O&D.

DL appears to have downgraded mainline to seasonal on this route. It was all-CRJ9 from late December-late March and the schedule for next winter shows the same story.

I believe NK hinted at PIT-MSP in the past, but I don’t see it happening. Sun Country though I think will happen at some point.

Demand might not be high but close in fares on DL are insane which will greatly suppress demand... and cause people to fly to CLE and rent cars.

CLE has done very well with ULCCs. Case in point G4 entering CLE after PIT yet CLE-SAV is already daily & starting CLE-ORF. Same story with Spirit - they are up to 12 destinations vs. our 7. Then of course F9. Other than PIT-TYS it's been very stagnant at PIT with new route announcements from the ULCCs. Sun Country would be a great add not only to serve MSP but IMHO they are potentially the most likely carrier to restore a link to PDX some day.


For some reason, folks in PIT don't want to embrace the ULCC but would rather continue to pay high fares on the likes of AA, UA, DL, and even WN. I have stopped flying back to PIT after moving to a city with no low-cost direct service to PIT as I for one refuse to pay an arm and a leg if I can just go to CLE and drive for far cheaper.

If you don't use it you lose it or don't show there is high demand for the carrier they just won't expand.

LCCs/ULCCs have done very well at Pittsburgh, the reason people use AA, UA, and DL is because Pittsburgh has a massive business market, all of my flights to DTW, PHL, DFW, LGA, EWR, and IAD have been packed full with business travelers, and my flights to MCO, TPA, and FLL are full of leisure traveler. There's only one hub I've been to that has a lot of leisure traveler and that is CLT.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 pm

Anyone know why a Atlas Air 767 passenger version came into PIT tonight? Came in from Peoria il as GTI8208
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:15 pm

DL's PIT-RDU service started today. DL5896 is currently en route.
 
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:10 pm

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Anyone know why a Atlas Air 767 passenger version came into PIT tonight? Came in from Peoria il as GTI8208

Departed for Frankfurt/Hahn last night, so very likely a military charter.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5Y8208
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:39 pm

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Has there been any word recently on further charter flights with Caissa Touristic, either with China Eastern or someone else?

This project is probably dead in the water unless we hear something in the next couple weeks.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:40 pm

Ultimate's website no longer shows Pittsburgh, Manassas or Currituck County as destinations on their booking page. Did they scrap the flights already?
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:45 pm

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corkscrew wrote:
Has there been any word recently on further charter flights with Caissa Touristic, either with China Eastern or someone else?

This project is probably dead in the water unless we hear something in the next couple weeks.


Haven’t heard anything about China charters this year. They would be advertising like crazy if it was happening.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:56 pm

Delta28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
corkscrew wrote:
Has there been any word recently on further charter flights with Caissa Touristic, either with China Eastern or someone else?

This project is probably dead in the water unless we hear something in the next couple weeks.


Haven’t heard anything about China charters this year. They would be advertising like crazy if it was happening.


Last year the flights were in early August but only were available for sale a month and a half prior. That's why I said "unless we hear something in the next couple weeks". Of course it does not need to follow the same schedule or time period but if it is to happen this year, especially with an expanded offering as hoped for, then I would think we would have heard something by now.
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:10 pm

I believe it wasn’t until early or mid-July of last year that the flights from China were finalized. Of course, there were rumors floating around about them being in the works months before that. So far, I haven’t heard anything regarding the China flights returning since this past winter.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:35 pm

Last year the PVG flights were officially announced May 31 with the first arrival Aug 3:
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/news-releases/charter-flights-between-china-and-pittsburgh-inter
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:13 pm

So AA is bringing PIT-PHX back up to 2x daily A319s in September, which I kinda expected. So I imagine this cut was made due to the MAX grounding. Also, PIT-PHL goes down to 5x daily but will see more A319 flying.

PIT-DFW will also stay at 4x daily in February rather than 3x daily.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:30 pm

The mystery behind the third weekly QR Cargo flight has been revealed.

Expo Freight Logistics of Sri Lanka, one of the world's top 20 freight forwarders, is the force behind the flight and its routing of DOH-LUX-PIT.

"June 09, Colombo: Global logistics provider EFL recently launched an exclusive weekly charter to Pittsburgh, USA as part of its continuous efforts to develop innovative solutions for global brands.

The inaugural shipment of over 90 tonnes was moved on a Boeing 777 freighter operated by Qatar Airways Cargo from Doha to Pittsburgh International Airport in Moon, Pennsylvania.

EFL's expertise in designing fit-for-purpose air freight solutions is clearly demonstrated with this latest initiative which offers customers a total transit time of 72 hours to get cargo from Asia and move it out the same day to regional distribution centers and retail stores in the US. For global brands, cargo can be consolidated from multiple sourcing markets enabling them to drive increased efficiencies and leverage on just-in-time inventory models to optimize the supply chain.

As more customers opt for speed to market solutions, the launch of this weekly PIT service follows the hub and spoke model and will facilitate capabilities of providing time definite deliveries in USA's largest cities. The collaboration with Qatar Airways Cargo enables EFL offices in the Far East and Indian subcontinent to access capacity without any interruption and provides customers the opportunity to feed larger volumes and enjoy 100% flown as per planned performance.
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http://www.colombopage.com/archive_19A/Jun09_1560091018CH.php



"Furthermore, the geographical position of Pittsburgh offers a unique advantage where on forwarding to primary customers in the East and the Mid-West can be fulfilled overnight."
Something the ACAA has failed to capitalize on for decades.

But to their credit, it looks like they stole this one from Columbus. I remember there was an EFL QR charter from Colombo to LCK a couple weeks before QR started PIT:
http://www.globaltrademag.com/global-logistics/qatar-airways-first-charter-freighter-arrives-columbus/

https://www.expofreight.com/en/usa


IMHO it is a big deal to get a freight forwarder on the other side of the world to use PIT for onward distribution and this sort of thing really has unlimited growth potential since it is not limited on solely the Pittsburgh market. As for EFL, the fashion industry is the target here, however "In addition to this, we look forward to providing this exclusive charter service to other industries as well in the future."
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:26 pm

Runway28L wrote:
So AA is bringing PIT-PHX back up to 2x daily A319s in September, which I kinda expected. So I imagine this cut was made due to the MAX grounding. Also, PIT-PHL goes down to 5x daily but will see more A319 flying.

PIT-DFW will also stay at 4x daily in February rather than 3x daily.


No way AA was going to cut PIT-PHX. Snowbirds head south for the winter and there’s a lot of cargo that comes off the flight. On some nights we get 10-20 bags of cargo off the flight.

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos