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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:49 am

"Airlines will be paying their lowest rates in nearly two decades to operate out of Pittsburgh International Airport in 2020.

The cost to board a passenger will drop to $9.29 next year as part of a $114.4 million budget approved Friday by the Allegheny County Airport Authority board, which oversees operations at Pittsburgh International.

Airlines will pay $10.30 to $10.35 this year to do the same, meaning that next year’s cost per enplaned passenger — an industry benchmark — will be more than $1 lower.
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https://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2019/11/15/Pittsburgh-International-Airport-airlines-cost-per-enplanement-modernization/stories/201911150148



This also got my attention:
"In addition, board members approved a ground lease with Cincinnati-based Al. Neyer for 8.2 acres of land at International and Halverson drives for the construction of a 100,000-square-foot office and industrial flex building.

Mark Vella, Al. Neyer senior vice president, business development, said the firm has a letter of intent for the space with a local company looking to expand. He declined to name it.

Al. Neyer hopes to start construction of the building in the spring and have it completed at the end of next year. It will be the firm’s sixth project on airport property."


International and Halverson is right at the "PIT International Logistics Centre" site. I wonder if they have given up on that or if this building will be next to it.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:05 pm

Spirit loaded in PIT-MYR late. Resumes March 10th on an A320 at 3x weekly then goes up to 1x daily on April 21st.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:16 am

United’s Star Wars livery is scheduled to make its first visit to PIT on Tuesday. Too bad it’s an RON. :grumpy: :hissyfit:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/UA1211
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:14 pm

A Blue Sky article regarding the lower CPE at PIT:
https://blueskypit.com/2019/11/18/pits-cost-per-enplaned-passenger-hits-lowest-level-since-2002/


There is quite the contradiction regarding the affect of a lower CPE on new air service.

"Airport Authority CEO Christina Cassotis said the lower rate doesn’t mean it will have an impact on attracting new flights.

As long as the costs are stable and predictable, it becomes a non-factor
. If the costs become non-stable, unpredictable and vary wildly, then airlines start to get concerned about what’s going on,” Cassotis said.

“My argument has always been that as long as we can provide stable and predictable costs, that doesn’t become a factor in the [airline] decision making. There are airports in this country with CPEs two, three times as high as ours and it doesn’t keep airlines out. Costs are relative
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vs:

"Swelbar said airport costs make up only four to five percent of an airline’s cost structure. Rarely is CPE a decision point for an airline to enter a market, he said, but the metric can be a differentiator between markets when an airline is choosing a new point on its network."


In the past both Southwest and AirTran have publicly stated their concern over PIT's high costs (at the time), and of course we all know too well about US Airway's last minute lease rejection in which they cited high lease rates.

While Ms. Cassotis is correct that there are airports with much higher CPE's, I think it is very disingenuous to suggest that just because those kinds of costs don't keep airlines out of the MIA's, LAX's, and JFK's of the US, then the same would hold true in PIT. In an industry with thin margins, that 5% of an airline's cost attributed to airport costs can be an issue. I'll agree with Swelbar on this one but at least the ACAA seems to see the importance of stable and hopefully decreasing CPEs.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:35 am

As is usual in such cases, I suspect there is room for truth and lies on all sides. I'll start by dismissing the US Airways bail, because I think they saw a gift from God and all they had to do was to GTFO. Southwest and Airtran are a bit harder, but there I think one can acknowledge multiple effects: a too-high CPE is bad. An unpredictable CPE is bad, but differently. A seriously marginal route, one known to be such, will suffer from the too-high CPE, predictable or not. Whereas an airline might be more willing to give a flyer to a route that is an unknown if costs are predictable, as opposed to one that might be gold today and lead tomorrow.

I think we're sort of agreeing: predictable costs are good. Unpredictable costs are ungood. Low costs (today) are good. High costs (today) are ungood. Predictably low costs are double-plus good. Unpredictably high costs are double-plus ungood.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:41 pm

Oct numbers are out, total passengers are up 0.4%. Int'l didn't increase as much as I thought it would but still up 3.9%. Cargo was the bright spot with an increase of 9.3%.
https://www.flypittsburgh.com/getattachment/Newsroom/Airport-Statistics/October-2019-Short-E-Mail-Report.pdf.aspx?lang=en-US
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:26 pm

Delta B763 ferrying in from IND early tomorrow morning to take the Steelers to CVG.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/DL8853
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:36 pm

I checked Flight Aware yesterday afternoon and was surprised how busy the airport was for about a 20 minute period. They averaged an arrival every 2 minutes using intersecting arrivals to 32 and 28L and departing 28R.

Ident Type From Depart Arrive
AAL1638 A319 Philadelphia Intl (PHL) 02:01p EST 02:55p EST
RPA4440 E75L Reagan National (DCA) 02:16p EST 02:55p EST
EDV4887 CRJ9 LaGuardia (LGA) 01:50p EST 02:54p EST
AAL1551 B738 Dallas-Fort Worth Intl (DFW) 11:27a CST 02:53p EST
EDV4763 CRJ9 Detroit Metro Wayne Co (DTW) 02:06p EST 02:50p EST
RPA3670 E170 Newark Liberty Intl (EWR) 01:41p EST 02:46p EST
SWA978 B737 Southwest Florida Intl (RSW) 12:18p EST 02:46p EST
LJY228 CL30 Arnold Palmer Rgnl (KLBE) 02:28p EST 02:42p EST
JIA5633 CRJ9 Charlotte/Douglas Intl (CLT) 01:32p EST 02:38p EST
FDY107 C208 Morgantown Muni (MGW) 02:02p EST 02:36p EST
JZA7922 CRJ2 Toronto Pearson Int'l (YYZ) 01:50p EST 02:35p EST


It was neat to watch how they weaved the two converging arrival streams together but I also noticed things were a bit backed up, with most of these flights being vectored through the final approach course and/or long finals. The C208 did a 360 pattern. I was not at the airport and have no knowledge on why they did not use parallel arrivals to the 28s with departures using 28C. If the weather was solid IFR they would not have been able to do what they did yesterday with the converging approaches.

This serves as an excellent example of how moronic it would be to close 10R/28L. Keeping that runway open would allow for a lot more flexibility than if they kept 10C/28C. It's easy to say the airport only handles 150,000 operations per year and that can easily be handled on one or two runways but even in post hub life there are peaks in volume; plus the airport will only get busier from here on out. It's been a long time since we've heard anything on this issue, or how the master planning (not to be confused with the TMP) process is progressing. There used to be a website for the master plan update but its long been gone.




Here is the typical FedEx schedule for peak:
Originating in PIT
FLT# DEST DEP-DATE(Zulu) DEP-TIME ARR-DATE(Zulu) ARR-TIME A/C
0437 CVG 12/12/2019 07:10L (12:10Z) 12/12/2019 08:12L (13:12Z) A300
3701 FNT 12/12/2019 18:35L (23:35Z) 12/12/2019 19:33L (00:33Z) B757
1622 IND 12/12/2019 22:30L (03:30Z) 12/12/2019 23:42L (04:42Z) A300
1203 MEM 12/12/2019 21:48L (02:48Z) 12/12/2019 23:06L (05:06Z) B767
0683 MEM 12/12/2019 07:45L (12:45Z) 12/12/2019 08:52L (14:52Z) B757
0468 MEM 12/12/2019 08:15L (13:15Z) 12/12/2019 09:22L (15:22Z) B767

Arriving in PIT
FLT# ORIGIN DEP-DATE(Zulu) DEP-TIME ARR-DATE(Zulu) ARR-TIME A/C
1986 EWR 12/12/2019 03:35L (08:35Z) 12/12/2019 04:47L (09:47Z) B757
1722 IND 12/12/2019 04:25L (09:25Z) 12/12/2019 05:30L (10:30Z) A300
3701 IND 12/12/2019 16:30L (21:30Z) 12/12/2019 17:35L (22:35Z) B757
1446 MEM 12/12/2019 02:54L (08:54Z) 12/12/2019 05:35L (10:35Z) B767
0716 MEM 12/12/2019 14:55L (20:55Z) 12/12/2019 17:39L (22:39Z) A300
0361 MEM 12/12/2019 16:00L (22:00Z) 12/12/2019 18:46L (23:46Z) B767


UPS does not make their schedules publicly available so I won't be posting those but I will say the busiest days will have 8 flights including 2 MD-11s.

This of course can and will change as things get more hectic.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:32 pm

Scrolling through FR24 and noticed Wednesday's outbound on BA departed 12 hours late due to ongoing IT issues at the airline. :ouch:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/BA170
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ashes.html
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:05 pm

PIT deserved a daytime flight to LHR :D

Last Tuesday's r/t was also cancelled as early as last Sunday so probably unrelated to the IT issues.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 1:31 am

"Sources: Amazon is pursuing another facility in Findlay Township"

"As crews work to build a one-million-square-foot distribution center at Chapman Westport for the e-commerce giant, Amazon's appetite for space in Findlay Township won't stop there, sources indicate.

North Carolina-based SunCap Property Group, which has been active pursing development in the region, has presented a plan to build a 115,000-square-foot distribution and office facility on an 83-acre site along McClaren Road, according to Chris Caruso, manager for Findlay.

Caruso said SunCap is the first firm to present a plan for development of what's long been known in Findlay as the Montour Farm site, a tract long posed as a future development site, and was speculated as the home of a future headquarters campus for U.S. Steel nearly eight years ago
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https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/news/2019/11/22/sources-suncap-developing-new-amazon-facility.html


This is immediately south and bordering PIT property. Its proximity to the airport can be seen here:
http://www.oxfordrealtyservices.com/leasing-pdf/Montour%20Farm%20Land.pdf

So in short order we gain two Amazon facilities in close proximity to PIT... still hoping for some Prime Air.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:19 pm

Delta appears to be axing their seasonal PIT-MCO flight. No longer showing up in March and June-August when the flight typically operates. It was slated to be on a Sat-only Endeavor Air CRJ9.

From this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1435521
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:09 pm

PIT-SJD is going to be run by Vacation Express next summer, operated by Viva Aerobus
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:47 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
PIT-SJD is going to be run by Vacation Express next summer, operated by Viva Aerobus


Thanks for the heads up!

Flights start July 5 and end Aug 2. Only 5 r/ts but it's a start. The airplane will RON at PIT.

I believe this will be the first ever service from PIT to anywhere on Mexico's west coast.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:37 pm

Schedule for the new SJD service:

VB71 A320 SJD 1430 PIT 2055 (Sat)
VB70 A320 PIT 0700 SJD 0955 (Sun)
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:54 am

I might have missed it in this thread, but the 2019 WN Thread indicates that DAL-PIT might be going to 2x daily in March. Is that the case?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:52 pm

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I might have missed it in this thread, but the 2019 WN Thread indicates that DAL-PIT might be going to 2x daily in March. Is that the case?

I'm only seeing 1x daily through the entire booking window.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:00 pm

Looks like BA loads rebounded in October.

214 seats per flight > 17 flights each way > 3,638 monthly seats one way > 7,276 total monthly seats (B788)
216 seats per flight > 1 flight each way > 216 monthly seats one way > 432 total monthly seats (B789)

PITTSBURGH 6,126 total 6,126 scheduled

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:17 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
I might have missed it in this thread, but the 2019 WN Thread indicates that DAL-PIT might be going to 2x daily in March. Is that the case?

It already IS 2x daily (M-F). But it will be reduced to 1x daily in early Jan.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:39 am

UPS starting to ramp up cargo ops for the holidays. Tonight’s PIT-PHL flight has been upgraded to an A306 and the usual extra SDF flight on a B752 is also operating tonight.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5X1153
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5X1156

Hoping for a random daylight flight to show up at some point as any equipment from UPS is nearly impossible to catch here during the day.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:00 am

"On Monday, Vacation Express announced it will launch a new nonstop flight from Pittsburgh to Los Cabos International Airport (SJD). The flights are scheduled to depart Pittsburgh once-weekly on Sundays, beginning May 5, 2020 and running through August 2."
https://blueskypit.com/2019/11/25/vacation-express-adds-new-nonstop-to-cabo/?fbclid=IwAR2Zt8ftSeRiWvtueCFxnC3xnUdw5ICHI9TGZ3B6iUr-qCrDTX4s86inwAM

This is stating the SJD flights start May 5 which would be a much longer season. However both the Vacation Express booking engine and published flight schedule show flights starting July 5. Plus, I can say with utmost certainty that May 5, 2020 is not a Sunday. So this looks to be another contradiction from the ACAA I'll dismiss.

I did find this rather interesting:
"Nearly 150 people travel to Mexico from Pittsburgh International per day, with the top destinations being Cancun, Cabo and Mexico City. In the past five years, the airport has seen a 50 percent increase in passenger traffic from Pittsburgh to Cabo."

Nice growth to Cabo and I'm not one bit surprised the market is bigger than PIT-MEX. There should be some good potential on this route.

Speaking of potential I'll refer to this Anna.Aero article detailing the top 20 unserved routes from the Eastern US to the Caribbean (not including charters).
https://www.anna.aero/2019/10/11/top-20-unserved-routes-eastern-usa-to-the-caribbean/

Of the top 20, four belong to PIT including 2 of the top 4. There certainly is room for an expanded schedule to MBJ as well as new service to AUA and perhaps NAS.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:52 pm

flyPIT wrote:
"On Monday, Vacation Express announced it will launch a new nonstop flight from Pittsburgh to Los Cabos International Airport (SJD). The flights are scheduled to depart Pittsburgh once-weekly on Sundays, beginning May 5, 2020 and running through August 2."
https://blueskypit.com/2019/11/25/vacation-express-adds-new-nonstop-to-cabo/?fbclid=IwAR2Zt8ftSeRiWvtueCFxnC3xnUdw5ICHI9TGZ3B6iUr-qCrDTX4s86inwAM

This is stating the SJD flights start May 5 which would be a much longer season. However both the Vacation Express booking engine and published flight schedule show flights starting July 5. Plus, I can say with utmost certainty that May 5, 2020 is not a Sunday. So this looks to be another contradiction from the ACAA I'll dismiss.

I did find this rather interesting:
"Nearly 150 people travel to Mexico from Pittsburgh International per day, with the top destinations being Cancun, Cabo and Mexico City. In the past five years, the airport has seen a 50 percent increase in passenger traffic from Pittsburgh to Cabo."

Nice growth to Cabo and I'm not one bit surprised the market is bigger than PIT-MEX. There should be some good potential on this route.

Speaking of potential I'll refer to this Anna.Aero article detailing the top 20 unserved routes from the Eastern US to the Caribbean (not including charters).
https://www.anna.aero/2019/10/11/top-20-unserved-routes-eastern-usa-to-the-caribbean/

Of the top 20, four belong to PIT including 2 of the top 4. There certainly is room for an expanded schedule to MBJ as well as new service to AUA and perhaps NAS.
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Funny you should mention AUA. Some years back it was brought up in a Caribbean aviation thread how AUA had a wish list of desired air service. PIT was very high on that list, arguing that it's one of their largest unserviced markets. Maybe that particular Caribbean thread is referencing this article, altho come to think of it I think that one talked about AUA exclusively...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:58 pm

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Hoping for a random daylight flight to show up at some point as any equipment from UPS is nearly impossible to catch here during the day.

There is a clear view of the UPS ramp from the hill immediately west of Cargo 3. It's outside the security fence and you have two UPS jets sitting all day long all year long. It's actually during peak when you won't find those planes sitting for long.

If you wanna get up early there will be an MD-11 departing PIT for PHL at about 0730 local starting a week or so before Christmas. This will be your best chance for a daylight movement.


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Funny you should mention AUA. Some years back it was brought up in a Caribbean aviation thread how AUA had a wish list of desired air service. PIT was very high on that list, arguing that it's one of their largest unserviced markets.

I'm surprised this route is still unserved by the tour operators. Incidentally, it was the first route served by UPS when they ran passenger operations on the weekends.
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:46 pm

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Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:53 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Hoping for a random daylight flight to show up at some point as any equipment from UPS is nearly impossible to catch here during the day.

There is a clear view of the UPS ramp from the hill immediately west of Cargo 3. It's outside the security fence and you have two UPS jets sitting all day long all year long. It's actually during peak when you won't find those planes sitting for long.

If you wanna get up early there will be an MD-11 departing PIT for PHL at about 0730 local starting a week or so before Christmas. This will be your best chance for a daylight movement.


steeler83 wrote:
Funny you should mention AUA. Some years back it was brought up in a Caribbean aviation thread how AUA had a wish list of desired air service. PIT was very high on that list, arguing that it's one of their largest unserviced markets.

I'm surprised this route is still unserved by the tour operators. Incidentally, it was the first route served by UPS when they ran passenger operations on the weekends.


UPS brings in the MD-11F on the SDF-PIT route depending on demand through out the year but it’s a nighttime departure and early morning arrival and sits on the ramp all day during the off season.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:01 am

AA should have N412UW, it's tenth A321neo, arrive at PIT for induction any day now. Had a second test flight at BFM earlier today.

AA is also operating a scheduled B738 on MIA-PIT tomorrow. First time I have seen that.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA2437

flyPIT wrote:
There is a clear view of the UPS ramp from the hill immediately west of Cargo 3. It's outside the security fence and you have two UPS jets sitting all day long all year long. It's actually during peak when you won't find those planes sitting for long.

If you wanna get up early there will be an MD-11 departing PIT for PHL at about 0730 local starting a week or so before Christmas. This will be your best chance for a daylight movement.

Thanks! I'll have to check that out sometime soon.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:57 am

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AA is also operating a scheduled B738 on MIA-PIT tomorrow. First time I have seen that.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA2437

AA is also operating an A319 on PIT-MIA r/t for Sat and Sun as a 3rd daily for the Thanksgiving weekend. I'm not sure that this is the first AA mainline to ever operate the route tho.
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:07 am

AA mainline flew that route with a daily MD-80 when they started the route in late 2003. It got switched to 145s not too long after that IINM.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:22 pm

UPS B748 on the ground right now. Was en route SDF-DXB and diverted here at around 0615 this morning.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS76
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:45 pm

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UPS B748 on the ground right now. Was en route SDF-DXB and diverted here at around 0615 this morning.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS76


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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:58 pm

The tail number is N605UP; this aircraft was titled "Spirit of Joe Sutter", the only aircraft in the UPS fleet to have been given a name.

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:39 pm

The UPS B748 is scheduled to continue on to DXB at 0130 local:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS6076/history/20191128/0638Z/KPIT/OMDB
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:10 pm

Great news on AS going 2x daily to SEA, interesting though that LA will have same number of flights as SEA.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:12 pm

AS going double daily on PIT-SEA next summer. The new flight will run May 21 - September 7. Schedule as follows:

AS412 739 SEA 0740 PIT 1520
AS413 739 PIT 1610 SEA 1840

AS1230 739 SEA 2245 PIT 0630
AS417 739 PIT 0800 SEA 1020

Great to see as this will give travelers a morning nonstop option.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:18 pm

Wow. I would have guessed on DL jumping into the SEA action before a second daily on AS.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:44 pm

Also, look like UA is upgrading PIT-DEN back to 3x daily effective March 29th. Daily mainline on PIT-IAD returns March 7th.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:32 pm

Runway28L wrote:
AS going double daily on PIT-SEA next summer. The new flight will run May 21 - September 7. Schedule as follows:

AS412 739 SEA 0740 PIT 1520
AS413 739 PIT 1610 SEA 1840

AS1230 739 SEA 2245 PIT 0630
AS417 739 PIT 0800 SEA 1020

Great to see as this will give travelers a morning nonstop option.


I'm shocked. I thought we'd see an AS PIT-LAX before a 2x daily SEA.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:03 am

More on AS going double daily to SEA next summer:

”The Seattle-Pittsburgh flight was off to an exceptional start this past summer and we want to capitalize on the growing tech connection between the West Coast and Pittsburgh,” said Alaska Airlines spokesman Ray Lane. “We’ll take a close look to see how the second flight performs in the peak summer season. We’ll then explore expanding its season in the future depending on performance.”
https://blueskypit.com/2019/12/02/15-mo ... sea-route/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:09 pm

Now we just need to have someone figure out how to make LAX-PIT work. I, too, would have liked to see AS give this a try since AA, UA, and DL apparently are not likely to jump on this market.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:33 pm

Quite a few Articles out there, from yesterday, claiming that AS is targeting Pittsburgh and BWI though an Interline with Southern Airways to increase their East Coast feed. "Pittsburgh...The Eastern Gateway to Alaska" ;)
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:42 pm

Condor has finalized their S20 transatlantic schedule and FRA-PIT will remain at 2x weekly from May 22 to September 21. The schedule still has a partner airlines B763 shown as the equipment type, so perhaps the route will be outsourced to another airline next summer.

Mon
DE2098 763 FRA 1600 PIT 1915
DE2099 763 PIT 2100 FRA 1100
Fri
DE2098 763 FRA 1400 PIT 1720
DE2099 763 PIT 1930 FRA 0930
https://www.condor.com/de/generated/flugplan_S2020.pdf

Was really hoping for 3x weekly to return as hinted at this past summer but unfortunately it appears to not be happening this year. Also, no word on which carrier the flight might be getting outsourced to.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:16 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Condor has finalized their S20 transatlantic schedule and FRA-PIT will remain at 2x weekly from May 22 to September 21. The schedule still has a partner airlines B763 shown as the equipment type, so perhaps the route will be outsourced to another airline next summer.

Mon
DE2098 763 FRA 1600 PIT 1915
DE2099 763 PIT 2100 FRA 1100
Fri
DE2098 763 FRA 1400 PIT 1720
DE2099 763 PIT 1930 FRA 0930
https://www.condor.com/de/generated/flugplan_S2020.pdf

Was really hoping for 3x weekly to return as hinted at this past summer but unfortunately it appears to not be happening this year. Also, no word on which carrier the flight might be getting outsourced to.

Perhaps with the Thomas Cook turmoil this past summer, there isn't enough contract capacity for 3x weekly. How do the other S20 schedules look in the US compared to this past season?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:22 pm

Talk about having growing pains. They want to increase service to PIT, but I guess they lack aircraft - and the funds to secure additional aircraft from what I've read in past press releases. It really doesn't surprise me. I'm sure Thomas Cook's folding complicated their growth prospects. According to their latest press release (posted a few posts ago) it looks like they're looking to stabilize their finances more in the wake of Thomas Cook. So I'd say we can expect to see Condor in a holding pattern for at least a little while.

If Condor should operate PIT-FRA 3x weekly, what would a typical schedule look like, Mon, Thurs, and Sat?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:45 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
Perhaps with the Thomas Cook turmoil this past summer, there isn't enough contract capacity for 3x weekly. How do the other S20 schedules look in the US compared to this past season?

That would have been my guess as well. But how is Condor adding FRA-YEG and MUC-SEA/YHZ/CUN/PUJ all for next summer? Even FRA-MSY will be returning for 2020. So there may be more to this than aircraft availability.

steeler83 wrote:
If Condor should operate PIT-FRA 3x weekly, what would a typical schedule look like, Mon, Thurs, and Sat?

At peak in 2018, they operated Mon/Wed/Fri. If they went back to 3x weekly, I imagine they would just bring back the Wednesday flight.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:52 pm

Runway28L wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
Perhaps with the Thomas Cook turmoil this past summer, there isn't enough contract capacity for 3x weekly. How do the other S20 schedules look in the US compared to this past season?

That would have been my guess as well. But how is Condor adding FRA-YEG and MUC-SEA/YHZ/CUN/PUJ all for next summer? Even FRA-MSY will be returning for 2020. So there may be more to this than aircraft availability.

steeler83 wrote:
If Condor should operate PIT-FRA 3x weekly, what would a typical schedule look like, Mon, Thurs, and Sat?

At peak in 2018, they operated Mon/Wed/Fri. If they went back to 3x weekly, I imagine they would just bring back the Wednesday flight.


I hadn't read the thread yet regarding Condor's latest adds, but that is rather intriguing. I, too, would like to know where they're getting the aircraft from to launch new routes. Wouldn't it be wiser to tweak existing schedules - especially if you have city pairs that are proven to be formidable and will bring you an even higher return if run with the right equipment at the right frequency - than to launch new routes?

Regarding PIT-FRA, I guess I forgot that was run Mon, Weds, and Fri before...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:09 pm

It's a moot point now but I came across this rendering of the former WTC proposal I had never seen before. I really wish they would have stayed with this idea instead of what they are doing on this site.

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:27 pm

Runway28L wrote:
ConcourseZ wrote:
Perhaps with the Thomas Cook turmoil this past summer, there isn't enough contract capacity for 3x weekly. How do the other S20 schedules look in the US compared to this past season?

That would have been my guess as well. But how is Condor adding FRA-YEG and MUC-SEA/YHZ/CUN/PUJ all for next summer? Even FRA-MSY will be returning for 2020. So there may be more to this than aircraft availability.


I feel this is one of those things that's comparable to the person you're trying to date. If she/he likes you, they will make the time to see you, if not, well, you know what happens... If PIT presented the best opportunity to make money, the Wednesday flight would be back, obviously they at Condor don't think this is the case. How well did the 3rd weekly flight do in 2018? maybe they're hesitant to try it again if it didn't perform too well last time, despite the difference in competition now.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:34 pm

Apologies that this may be behind a paywall for some.

"Alaska Airlines deal with regional carrier opens up options in Pittsburgh and Baltimore"
https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/ ... opens.html
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:05 pm

steeler83 wrote:
Now we just need to have someone figure out how to make LAX-PIT work. I, too, would have liked to see AS give this a try since AA, UA, and DL apparently are not likely to jump on this market.

When I searched for flights, Spirit airlines has a non-stop. Apparently ULCC is what it takes.

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:28 pm

lightsaber wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
Now we just need to have someone figure out how to make LAX-PIT work. I, too, would have liked to see AS give this a try since AA, UA, and DL apparently are not likely to jump on this market.

When I searched for flights, Spirit airlines has a non-stop. Apparently ULCC is what it takes.

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Right. Still, it would be nice if someone with a premium cabin would offer PIT-LAX service. I suppose these pax are just fine connecting through DEN, SLC, ORD, or DFW, leaving PIT-LAX nonstop to the leisure travelers.
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