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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:45 am

^
“That’s one of the reasons why we are here to talk with the local business community and to see where we can push our route.”

sounds like they need the business community to step up and buy more flights, especially in business class (or whatever they call it).

They say they have a different pricing structure but does that only refer to BA (since they are the only other TATL). Wouldn’t Aer Lingus be similar to them?
 
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:06 am

I'm not sure I took that last bullet point as talking about Aer Lingus. Seems to be talking about the changes this year, and competition with BA.
 
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I'm not sure I took that last bullet point as talking about Aer Lingus. Seems to be talking about the changes this year, and competition with BA.

That's my take on it as well. Anyway, glad to see that they are pleased with PIT and hopefully they can increase their service here.
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:20 pm

At present, neither BA nor DE seem to be having any trouble at all filling seats at their respective price points. Its a good sign but I'm not convinced that the market is ready for a third carrier yet. Time will tell.
 
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:22 pm

https://www.post-gazette.com/business/d ... 1907150100

Another article about the TMP in the PG. It doesn't really say much, other than that someone started a change.org petition to prevent the TMP from happening.
 
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:10 pm

Regarding the Condor interview I find it interesting he spoke of adding capacity but did not mention the upgauge to the A332 which is a huge jump in capacity over the B763. This, along with the statement "Actually, we have the same plan for next summer as we have this year, but this planning is still quite open." makes me think there could still be changes. I'm hoping for 3x weekly B763 service and having meetings with the business community to make sure the front seats are filled could be an indicator?


Looking ahead at G4's schedule extension it looks like AUS takes a 7 month break and MSY a 6 month break. Moving in the wrong direction here. On a positive note SRQ will be 4x weekly during spring break.
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:24 pm

In addition to extra FLL frequencies, NK is resuming TPA on September 6, a month earlier than last season. Initially runs 3x weekly then goes 1x daily on November 14. I question credibility here, but there is also a rumor floating around that NK is looking at PIT-MSY.

Jshank83 wrote:
^
“That’s one of the reasons why we are here to talk with the local business community and to see where we can push our route.”

sounds like they need the business community to step up and buy more flights, especially in business class (or whatever they call it).

They say they have a different pricing structure but does that only refer to BA (since they are the only other TATL). Wouldn’t Aer Lingus be similar to them?

AaronPGH wrote:
I'm not sure I took that last bullet point as talking about Aer Lingus. Seems to be talking about the changes this year, and competition with BA.

They are indeed talking about the changes in the PIT TATL market. They are not directly talking about EI, which I wasn't referring to. They were comparing themselves to other carriers in general, and yes, I agree that they might be indirectly referring to BA. I only mentioned EI because the impression I got is that they wouldn't be too affected by an entry due to their pricing structure. Plus I doubt EI would price match DE anyway. Looking at routes like MSP/BDL-DUB, EI would likely slot in higher than DE, but lower than BA in terms of fare structure. But that's a whole other topic.
 
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Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:23 pm

Runway28L wrote:
In addition to extra FLL frequencies, NK is resuming TPA on September 6, a month earlier than last season. Initially runs 3x weekly then goes 1x daily on November 14. I question credibility here, but there is also a rumor floating around that NK is looking at PIT-MSY.


MSY would be a nice alternate to Allegiant who does seasonal service.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:51 pm

Boutique Air will be doubling the number of weekend PIT-JST flights. The weekend schedule will now match the weekday schedule. The significance of this is that these additional flights are outside the scope of the EAS contract.
"Things are going so well in the Johnstown market that it makes sense to add flights,” Kondrad said.

The new flights are in addition to the 30 round-trips each week that are subsidized by the federal Essential Air Service program.

“We are doing it on our own dime,” Kondrad said.
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https://www.tribdem.com/news/commuter-airline-adds-five-johnstown-flights/article_2967bcb4-a84c-11e9-be8e-67ac27009939.html
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:36 pm

From today’s Pittsburgh Business Times

Pittsburgh International Airport has logged a big win in its efforts in shipping and logistics, with a growing international freight forwarder naming the airport as a cargo distribution center via Qatar Airways Cargo's existing service to Pittsburgh.

EFL is based in Sri Lanka with operations in 18 countries, and seven offices in the United States, including five in the Midwest and East Coast. It began shipping on Qatar Airways to Pittsburgh in May, becoming a steady customer to Qatar Airways and opening up a new market for EFL and bolstering the airport's visibility in the air-cargo and shipping industry. EFL began shipping 90 tons of cargo on one of the two weekly flights by Qatar Airways Cargo on a Boeing 777 Freighter.

Qatar Airways Cargo flies the Boeing 777 Freighters, with a cargo capacity of 100 tons, twice weekly between Pittsburgh and Luxembourg and then onto Doha, Qatar, where Qatar Airways is based. The Allegheny County Airport Authority provided $1.5 million in economic incentives for the first year of the service and recently signed a second-year contract that would provide a maximum to Qatar Airways of about half that number, $780,000, depending on average load in tons per month.

"Support goes up the more they bring in," Allegheny County Airport Authority CEO Christina Cassotis said.

There's no payment to Qatar Airways if the flight goes with an average load of 10 tons per month. Between 10 tons and 29.9 tons, Qatar would receive $2,500 per flight; between 30 tons and 59.9 tons, Qatar would receive $5,000 per flight; and with more than 60 tons, the airline would receive $7,500 per flight. The $780,000 maximum is based on a maximum of $7,500 per flight for the 104 flights scheduled per year; the maximum isn't likely to happen.

There's no contract or incentives to EFL, which is a client of Qatar Airways for the past 10 years.

EFL has been talking to Allegheny County Airport Authority officials about Pittsburgh for about two years, ever since Cassotis and authority VP Vince Gastgeb met with officials from EFL at an air-cargo conference in Palm Springs, California.

EFL Group CEO Senthil Shanmugam told the Business Times that as a freight forwarder, EFL was intrigued by the idea of having another distribution point beyond the major cargo hubs of New York and Chicago. EFL's customers include textile and apparel companies inbound, primarily from Asia. Shipping out of the country via EFL include many top American brands in apparel, electronics and other high-tech products.

"We're always looking for innovative solutions to differentiate the service and bring efficiency to supply chains," said Shanmugam. "In that sense, Pittsburgh is a logical gateway because if you get into any of the major airports, you might bring in the freight in 72 hours but it might take you longer to get to the customers' facilities or to their DCs (distribution centers)."

Qatar Airways SVP of Cargo Sales and Network Planning, Peter R. Penseel, said the success of the cargo business — it has gone from the eighth-largest cargo airline to the top within three years — has allowed it to add to its operations.

The county estimates a $40 million annual impact and the support of about 265 jobs from the Qatar Airways flights.

"It's the beginning of what we view as continued growth around logistics, distribution, manufacturing, obviously the investment that Royal Dutch Shell is making a few miles up the road," said Allegheny County Executive Rich Fitzgerald.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:16 am

We heard it here first weeks ago. But this bit is new public info:

"The Allegheny County Airport Authority provided $1.5 million in economic incentives for the first year of the service and recently signed a second-year contract that would provide a maximum to Qatar Airways of about half that number, $780,000, depending on average load in tons per month.

"Support goes up the more they bring in," Allegheny County Airport Authority CEO Christina Cassotis said.

There's no payment to Qatar Airways if the flight goes with an average load of 10 tons per month. Between 10 tons and 29.9 tons, Qatar would receive $2,500 per flight; between 30 tons and 59.9 tons, Qatar would receive $5,000 per flight; and with more than 60 tons, the airline would receive $7,500 per flight. The $780,000 maximum is based on a maximum of $7,500 per flight for the 104 flights scheduled per year; the maximum isn't likely to happen.
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Looks like the ACAA is taking a page out of IND incentive playbook.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:41 am

IND taught PIT how to operate! Bahahaha
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:08 am

Speaking of subsidies has it been concluded here once and for all that the China charters are dead?
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:08 pm

One of the better articles about QR/EFL, out this morning with some good quotes:

“Today’s announcement continues moving the airport corridor forward as a manufacturing and distribution hub. Congratulations to Christina and her team for this huge success for our region. As Pittsburgh strives to make additional connections to the global marketplace, this is a big step along that path,” said Allegheny County Executive Rich Fitzgerald. “The success of Qatar Airways, and the partnership with EFL, strengthens our ability to attract manufacturing and distribution to the airport. We are planting the seeds for manufacturing, distribution, logistics and connectivity in the global marketplace. We are excited to see it bear much fruit in the years to come, and to see the growth of jobs in these areas continue.”

“Our goal is to build Pittsburgh into an international logistics center and with great partners like Qatar Airways Cargo and EFL, that goal is becoming a reality,” Pittsburgh International Airport CEO Christina Cassotis said. “This is cargo that used to enter into the U.S. through major airports such as New York and Chicago but instead they’re choosing to use our region as a gateway. That means jobs and business for our region.”

Qatar Airways Senior Vice President Cargo Sales and Network Planning Peter Penseel said, “We see the Americas as an important cargo market. Our freighter services to Pittsburgh are doing extremely well and help connect global markets to the region while also offering businesses in Pennsylvania direct uplift to our growing cargo network. Through our collaboration with EFL, their customers in the Indian subcontinent and South East Asia benefit from innovative and faster supply chain solutions and dedicated capacity of more than 100 tonnes each week to regional distribution centers and retail stores in the United States using Pittsburgh as a gateway.”
https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/491034643/pittsburgh-international-airport-named-cargo-distribution-center-for-sri-lanka-based-freight-forwarder-through-qatar-airways-cargo
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:27 pm

Regarding the IND model, this does not appear to be an incentive but rather a subsidy and no limit as far as amount and time frame.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:08 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
Regarding the IND model, this does not appear to be an incentive but rather a subsidy and no limit as far as amount and time frame.

The IND-CDG deal with DL is limited to $5.5 million over two years.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:16 pm

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The drive from Cleveland to Pittsburgh is not bad at all. You can get from Cleveland to Beaver in almost the same amount of time it takes to get from Beaver to downtown.


Really? Even from northern Beaver County, it's probably twice as long to get to CLE is it is to get to Downtown Pittsburgh. You're looking at roughly 30-40 minutes at a minimum longer travel time to CLE compared to PIT from New Castle, let alone northern Beaver County.

From the 376/76 interchange to downtown PIT, it takes about 45-50 minutes to get downtown. To get Ron cleveland, it’s about 65 minutes. Both assuming no traffic delays.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:01 pm

DE2098 from FRA is scheduled to arrive at 3:15pm tomorrow afternoon instead of the typical 6:25pm arrival for Fridays.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/DE2098

Seems like a one-off.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:33 pm

A couple more bits from an updated PBT article. QR doubled their PIT volume from 2017 to 2018. The 2018 number should go up exponentially with the EFL agreement. It's good to see the ACAA consider air cargo facility expansion:

"Federal Express and UPS, which combined deplaned nearly 80 million pounds of cargo in 2018 from Pittsburgh International Airport. Qatar, by comparison, deplaned 446,327 pounds in 2018, up from 224,368 pounds in 2017, according to Allegheny County Airport Authority data.

The airport authority has already done some infrastructure work to better serve Qatar Airways' big jet, but Cassotis doesn't rule out an expansion if the twice-weekly Qatar Airways service grows or if others join Pittsburgh International Airport's international cargo business."



"There's an opportunity here and while there aren't other medium-sized cities that have benefited from this, why can't we be the first," asked Cassotis."
One of the few moronic statements Ms. Cassotis has put out. If she thinks we would be the first medium-sized city to benefit from something like this then perhaps a trip to LCK and IND is in order, or even small cities such as HSV and GSP.

https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/news/2019/07/18/why-sri-lankan-freight-forwarder-chose-pittsburgh.html
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:34 pm

flightsimer wrote:
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Luckyleaf6 wrote:
The drive from Cleveland to Pittsburgh is not bad at all. You can get from Cleveland to Beaver in almost the same amount of time it takes to get from Beaver to downtown.


Really? Even from northern Beaver County, it's probably twice as long to get to CLE is it is to get to Downtown Pittsburgh. You're looking at roughly 30-40 minutes at a minimum longer travel time to CLE compared to PIT from New Castle, let alone northern Beaver County.

From the 376/76 interchange to downtown PIT, it takes about 45-50 minutes to get downtown. To get Ron cleveland, it’s about 65 minutes. Both assuming no traffic delays.


It's about 95 miles from the 376/76 interchange to CLE. I know the Turnpikes are mostly 70MPH now but 65 minutes would be one fast ride to Hopkins. The Ohio Turnpike also has lots of 50MPH zones in the summer due to construction. I think 90 minutes is optimistic.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:59 pm

flyPIT wrote:
A couple more bits from an updated PBT article. QR doubled their PIT volume from 2017 to 2018. The 2018 number should go up exponentially with the EFL agreement. It's good to see the ACAA consider air cargo facility expansion:

"Federal Express and UPS, which combined deplaned nearly 80 million pounds of cargo in 2018 from Pittsburgh International Airport. Qatar, by comparison, deplaned 446,327 pounds in 2018, up from 224,368 pounds in 2017, according to Allegheny County Airport Authority data.

The airport authority has already done some infrastructure work to better serve Qatar Airways' big jet, but Cassotis doesn't rule out an expansion if the twice-weekly Qatar Airways service grows or if others join Pittsburgh International Airport's international cargo business."



"There's an opportunity here and while there aren't other medium-sized cities that have benefited from this, why can't we be the first," asked Cassotis."
One of the few moronic statements Ms. Cassotis has put out. If she thinks we would be the first medium-sized city to benefit from something like this then perhaps a trip to LCK and IND is in order, or even small cities such as HSV and GSP.

https://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/news/2019/07/18/why-sri-lankan-freight-forwarder-chose-pittsburgh.html


IND and GSP are fedex hubs. IND being the second largest fedex hub. LCK has more flights and airlines that support the fashion industry. HSV is a hub for Panalpiana. I think someone is dreaming a little to big. I don’t get how UPS and Fedex only did 80 million pounds total for one year when they run daily flights to their main hubs and additional flights to secondary hubs. They might do that in one month and more during the busy holiday season.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:31 pm

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IND and GSP are fedex hubs. IND being the second largest fedex hub. LCK has more flights and airlines that support the fashion industry. HSV is a hub for Panalpiana. I think someone is dreaming a little to big. I don’t get how UPS and Fedex only did 80 million pounds total for one year when they run daily flights to their main hubs and additional flights to secondary hubs. They might do that in one month and more during the busy holiday season.

IND is served by Cargolux for the pharma industry and has nothing to do with FX.
https://aircargoworld.com/allposts/cargolux-increases-service-to-indiana/

GSP is not a FX hub. They do have dedicated freighters to serve the auto industry.

LCK does indeed serve the fashion industry as will this EFL/QR arrangement at PIT.

HSV is indeed a gateway for Panalpina, who's parent company just announced a PIT office btw. According to the headlines PIT will serve as a US gateway for EFL much like HSV does for Panalpina.

I'm not sure what you're on about wrt FX and 5X statistics; the 80 million deplaned number looks accurate and monthly stats are available here:
https://www.flypittsburgh.com/newsroom/airport-statistics
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Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:14 pm

Just returned from a Canada trip. Outbound was PIT-YUL with a mostly full flight. Return, due to timing, was YUL-YYZ on an AC A330-300 from GVA. A full flight (292 pass.). Then YYZ-PIT on the standard CRJ. Another full flight.
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:10 pm

ConcourseZ wrote:
Just returned from a Canada trip. Outbound was PIT-YUL with a mostly full flight. Return, due to timing, was YUL-YYZ on an AC A330-300 from GVA. A full flight (292 pass.). Then YYZ-PIT on the standard CRJ. Another full flight.

So each way was a full flight. I went and did a dummy book for a random date next month, and saw air fares were around $270 round trip; somewhat reasonable by AC's standards anyway...
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Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:50 pm

Updated WN October schedule with the MAX window moved back to 11/2:

ATL: 3x daily (1x daily Sat, 2x daily Sun)
BWI: 3x daily (2x daily Sat/Sun)
MDW: 5x daily (4x daily Sat, 6x daily Sun)
DAL: 1x daily
DEN: 2x daily (1x daily Sat/Sun)
FLL: 1x daily
RSW: 1x daily
HOU: 1x daily
LAS: 1x daily (2x daily on Sat/Sun)
LAX: suspended
BNA: 2x daily (3x daily on Sun)
MSY: 1x weekly (Sun-only)
MCO: 3x daily (5x daily on Sun)
PHX: 1x daily
STL: 1x daily
TPA: 2x daily (3x daily on Sat)

So other than the LAX suspension, PIT seems to have come out mostly unscathed for once. Interesting to see BNA is picking up a third daily flight on Sundays.
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:06 pm

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So other than the LAX suspension, PIT seems to have come out mostly unscathed for once. Interesting to see BNA is picking up a third daily flight on Sundays.

Isn't PIT-LAS usually 2x daily?
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So other than the LAX suspension, PIT seems to have come out mostly unscathed for once. Interesting to see BNA is picking up a third daily flight on Sundays.

Isn't PIT-LAS usually 2x daily?

I believe WN typically drops down to 1x daily during the low season, though I don't recall when that usually takes place. I'll have to find YoY data to see if this is a seasonal reduction of if WN is really down a frequency compared to October 2018.

I mentioned this in another thread, but WN is going to have to make a decision soon regarding the MAX grounding. With no timetable of the plane returning to service and UA proactively acquiring 19 B737s, in addition to the EasyJet A319s and Vueling A320s that will also be coming online, WN should be looking at the used market. Cutting and reducing routes that inconvenience so many customers can only be manageable for so long.
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:15 am

AA9707 from Hamburg to Pittsburgh https://fr24.com/AAL9707/215c15df
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:14 pm

Some more details about the second year of subsidy for QR Cargo. The second year is retroactive to last Oct and will expire this Oct. QR says it is committed to PIT after the second year when it is no longer eligible per FAA rules for more subsidies and states they might even increase service.

"But, during an interview in Pittsburgh, a top Qatar executive said the airline has no intention of bolting even after the subsidies run dry.

“We are here to stay and to grow,” said Peter R. Penseel, Qatar’s senior vice president of cargo sales and network planning.

While Mr. Penseel said the incentives are important to help the airline gain a foothold in the Pittsburgh market, they are “not the driver.”

“It’s a small portion of doing business with each other,” he said. “We are not here to collect money.”

Mr. Penseel said he sees the potential for even more flights into Pittsburgh in the future, particularly as major airports on the East Coast and in the Midwest become more and more congested.
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https://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2019/07/17/Qatar-Airways-Pittsburgh-International-Airport-Christina-Cassotis-subsidies/stories/201907170109




Another huge bonus for Ms. Cassotis, on top of her already generous base salary. 2018 was indeed a good year with 7.5% growth, but it was a similar story at CLE, IND, etc. The article notes the addition of BA, but that came while we lost DL to CDG. The OneJet debacle. Via Airlines went nowhere. All in all however Ms. Cassotis has done a great job so far no doubt but half a million dollars compensation per year? 2019 is turning out to be a dud of a year as far as new route announcements; I'd be shocked if she gets the same bonus for this year.
https://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2019/07/19/Airport-CEO-bonus-Cassotis-British-modernization/stories/201907190098
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:54 am

With this and other recent cargo announcements, I would think there is a plan developing to significantly add to the cargo infrastructure at PIT.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:35 pm

UA is temporarily going down to 1x daily on PIT-SFO in September due to runway construction at SFO.
 
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With this and other recent cargo announcements, I would think there is a plan developing to significantly add to the cargo infrastructure at PIT.


There was a master plan that showed another cargo warehouse to the west of the UPS ramp. They would've make the taxiway and ramp 777F capable with two parking spaces for planes. Thats would’ve been were Qatar would’ve park and any other cargo airline that would’ve come in so they didn’t take up room on the FedEx and UPS ramps.
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:09 am

From the latest master plan update (2015). This was posted just a couple months ago btw. The ramp space for Building G looks to be shorter than it is for Cargo 3 but the ramp for Building H should have fixed things. Not a big deal as G looks to be a specialty building (refrigeration?). But its all a moot point unless the ACAA actually decides to build something.

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UA is temporarily going down to 1x daily on PIT-SFO in September due to runway construction at SFO.


Probably helps with shortages due to the MAX as well.
 
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From the latest master plan update (2015). This was posted just a couple months ago btw. The ramp space for Building G looks to be shorter than it is for Cargo 3 but the ramp for Building H should have fixed things. Not a big deal as G looks to be a specialty building (refrigeration?). But its all a moot point unless the ACAA actually decides to build something.

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There is an enormous amount of site preparation work required on that location. Unless they were to receive some sort of huge grant I can't see the ACAA developing that area on speculation. They would need some signed tenants before breaking any ground there.
 
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flyPIT wrote:
From the latest master plan update (2015). This was posted just a couple months ago btw. The ramp space for Building G looks to be shorter than it is for Cargo 3 but the ramp for Building H should have fixed things. Not a big deal as G looks to be a specialty building (refrigeration?). But its all a moot point unless the ACAA actually decides to build something.

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There is an enormous amount of site preparation work required on that location. Unless they were to receive some sort of huge grant I can't see the ACAA developing that area on speculation. They would need some signed tenants before breaking any ground there.


I agree. Incidentally, it was not the ACAA's predecessor that financed Cargo 3, it was the RIDC:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=f5McAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MGMEAAAAIBAJ&dq=frank%20brooks%20robinson&pg=6843%2C161361

Similar Story with the long stalled PIT Int'l Logistics Center. Allegheny Co. did the site prep and Trammel Crow was to put up the buildings:
https://www.nap.edu/read/14386/chapter/8
(p32-33)

So there is certainly a precedent where a public-private partnership can be put together if it helps the cause. Even the operation of the existing buildings is contracted out:
https://aviationfacilities.com/airport/pittsburgh-international-airport-pa-pit/
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:26 am

GSP psgr wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
UA is temporarily going down to 1x daily on PIT-SFO in September due to runway construction at SFO.


Probably helps with shortages due to the MAX as well.


UA and SFO have said it’s not MAX related. They are closing a runway for a month so they can’t run a full schedule.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:19 pm

DL A333 LAX-JFK diverting to PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/DL1258
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:28 pm

Runway28L wrote:
DL A333 LAX-JFK diverting to PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/DL1258

Any idea where it parked?
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:36 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
DL A333 LAX-JFK diverting to PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/DL1258

Any idea where it parked?

C61
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:50 pm

UA B77W MAD-EWR also diverting to PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/UA50
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:22 pm

Runway28L wrote:
UA B77W MAD-EWR also diverting to PIT.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/UA50

Scratch that, just changed to CLE
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:55 pm

As a domestic flight I find it really odd that the DL A333 would not park at one of the unused gates at the end of the D concourse right next to DL's existing operation and stay out of the way of the int'l operations.

The UA B77W from MAD was only about 6 minutes apart from the scheduled Condor arrival. I thought wouldn't it be ironic if this int'l arrival had to park at a remote location due to DL's domestic A333 at an int'l gate.... and probably the int'l gate best positioned to handle a B77W no less. Not because C doesn't have enough gates or space overall but maybe because of short notice of the diversion, position of ground equipment, etc? Then next thing we know it diverts again, to CLE.

When JFK and EWR are shut down I would think the ACAA would keep the int'l gates available for int'l diversions.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:14 am

Not that this directly impacts PIT but I found it interesting. AF winter service between CDG and IAD is increasing from 7 to 11 x weekly.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:32 am

flyPIT wrote:
Vacation Express released their 2020 schedule. Gone is PIT-MBJ.
https://www.vacationexpress.com/flight-schedule/


Vacation Express updated the 2020 schedule they released a couple weeks ago. PIT-MBJ is added back in so that's good to see.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:36 am

flyPIT wrote:
As a domestic flight I find it really odd that the DL A333 would not park at one of the unused gates at the end of the D concourse right next to DL's existing operation and stay out of the way of the int'l operations.

The UA B77W from MAD was only about 6 minutes apart from the scheduled Condor arrival. I thought wouldn't it be ironic if this int'l arrival had to park at a remote location due to DL's domestic A333 at an int'l gate.... and probably the int'l gate best positioned to handle a B77W no less. Not because C doesn't have enough gates or space overall but maybe because of short notice of the diversion, position of ground equipment, etc? Then next thing we know it diverts again, to CLE.

When JFK and EWR are shut down I would think the ACAA would keep the int'l gates available for int'l diversions.

They could not park the A333 at the end of D for two reasons. 1) None of the gates at the end of D are widebody-capable and 2) DL had a lot of reposition flights on E170s/175s this evening and all of them had to park at the far end of D. There were several RJs all parked at D86/87/88/89 when I was leaving tonight.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:45 am

Runway28L wrote:
They could not park the A333 at the end of D for two reasons. 1) None of the gates at the end of D are widebody-capable and 2) DL had a lot of reposition flights on E170s/175s this evening and all of them had to park at the far end of D. There were several RJs all parked at D86/87/88/89 when I was leaving tonight.

Your second reason makes plenty of sense. As for the first point I've seen plenty of widebodies park at the end of D over the years to include DC-10, MD-11, and 763s.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:07 am

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
They could not park the A333 at the end of D for two reasons. 1) None of the gates at the end of D are widebody-capable and 2) DL had a lot of reposition flights on E170s/175s this evening and all of them had to park at the far end of D. There were several RJs all parked at D86/87/88/89 when I was leaving tonight.

Your second reason makes plenty of sense. As for the first point I've seen plenty of widebodies park at the end of D over the years to include DC-10, MD-11, and 763s.

I should have phrased that better, since I’ve also seen larger planes parked at the end there. They could park a widebody at one of those gates, but it would have been either a very tight fit or gates would have to be blocked off. But it’s moot anyway since those gates were needed tonight.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:07 am

I believe before they paint over the spots there were several gates that could hold A330,767, and DC10s
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:30 pm

Regarding potential EI service in 2020, here's a status of their current expansion. 2020 might be optimistic.
https://onemileatatime.com/aer-lingus-a321lr-routes/

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