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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:26 pm

Hawaiian Airlines has an A332 here over the weekend courtesy of the Seattle Seahawks:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL744/history/20190913/2300Z/KSEA/KPIT

Always a pleasure to see that beautiful livery here, as rare as it does happen.



Looks like HGR has a good case for getting its EAS back:
https://www.heraldmailmedia.com/instant/hagerstown-airport-fighting-to-keep-daily-flights/article_c9a5fbae-d68d-11e9-8819-2760898b8736.html
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:33 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Hawaiian Airlines has an A332 here over the weekend courtesy of the Seattle Seahawks:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL744/history/20190913/2300Z/KSEA/KPIT

Always a pleasure to see that beautiful livery here, as rare as it does happen.

It already left for OAK last night. :(

Perhaps another one will ferry in tomorrow before the end of the game.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:41 pm

Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Hawaiian Airlines has an A332 here over the weekend courtesy of the Seattle Seahawks:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL744/history/20190913/2300Z/KSEA/KPIT

Always a pleasure to see that beautiful livery here, as rare as it does happen.

It already left for OAK last night. :(

Perhaps another one will ferry in tomorrow before the end of the game.


How else do you think they will be home?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:37 am

Another Hawaiian A332 ferrying in early tomorrow morning for the Seahawks’ return flight.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/HA8785
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:01 pm

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Another Hawaiian A332 ferrying in early tomorrow morning for the Seahawks’ return flight.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/HA8785


I hope you can get some pics before it leaves. They used to park at the terminal and handled by AA when they carried the Raiders years ago but I don't know if that's still the case.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:10 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Another Hawaiian A332 ferrying in early tomorrow morning for the Seahawks’ return flight.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/HA8785


I hope you can get some pics before it leaves. They used to park at the terminal and handled by AA when they carried the Raiders years ago but I don't know if that's still the case.

The arrivals board shows the aircraft parked at gate C61.

I’ll see if I can, but it will likely depart after dark. Ops may get pics... we’ll see.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:28 am

B6611 JFK-LAS (A321) diverted to PIT, just saw it fly over our house on approach.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:08 am

Pic of the Hawaiian A332 from today:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154462236 ... datetaken/

Here's what I don't understand... why did the aircraft ferry PIT-OAK Friday night/Saturday morning, then ferry BACK to PIT early this morning? Seems wasteful to fly an empty aircraft across the country twice than just have it sit here over the weekend. Though there is probably a good reason why...
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:27 am

They may not have had the flex in their schedule to afford leaving a bird parked all weekend. Looks like in between ferries she flew an OAK-HNL-OAK round trip.

At a glance it appears N361HA has been in Minneapolis all week, possibly for maintenance, which leaves them down one. Seattle flew Delta last year so Hawaiian adding them on top of the Raiders may have stretched them thinner than they expected.

Nice shot!
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:00 am

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Runway28L wrote:
DL PIT-BOS 77.5% BOS-PIT 71%
B6 PIT-BOS 78% BOS-PIT 76%

Looks like all the added capacity to BOS is slowly but surely being absorbed.

Speaking of which, it appears JetBlue quietly added a 7th daily flight to BOS this month that operates on Mon/Tue/Fri. I'm seeing the additional flight run through 10/8 on their site.

B6985 E190 BOS 1055 PIT 1244
B6986 E190 PIT 1325 BOS 1500
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:16 pm

Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
DL PIT-BOS 77.5% BOS-PIT 71%
B6 PIT-BOS 78% BOS-PIT 76%

Looks like all the added capacity to BOS is slowly but surely being absorbed.

Speaking of which, it appears JetBlue quietly added a 7th daily flight to BOS this month that operates on Mon/Tue/Fri. I'm seeing the additional flight run through 10/8 on their site.

B6985 E190 BOS 1055 PIT 1244
B6986 E190 PIT 1325 BOS 1500


My GOD, when will this madness stop?!!

BTW, I'm only counting 6 daily flights Mon, Tues, and Wed. Still, 6 daily E90 flights in addition to the 3x daily CR7s DL flies between the two, that is a boat load of seats!
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:42 pm

that’d be five Delta flights. On EMB 170s and 175s…its a lot of capacity, and not great loads given the fare levels.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:48 pm

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that’d be five Delta flights. On EMB 170s and 175s…its a lot of capacity, and not great loads given the fare levels.

I was just going to say, we operate 5 flights a day, 4 175’s and one 170 I believe.

Every random day I checked has 5 flights a day until January when some of the weekend days I randomly looked at only had 1/2 flights a day.

I for one love it. Makes my commute easy!
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:51 pm

Oh ok. Didn't realize they'd bumped that up to 5. So between B6 and DL that's roughly a dozen daily flights. Neither airline is exactly making a killing on this route. I'm guessing they're going to keep at this until someone blinks and decides they've had enough? Heck, good for the consumer tho...
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:04 pm

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Oh ok. Didn't realize they'd bumped that up to 5. So between B6 and DL that's roughly a dozen daily flights. Neither airline is exactly making a killing on this route. I'm guessing they're going to keep at this until someone blinks and decides they've had enough? Heck, good for the consumer tho...


B6 is breaking even or losing a little money on it, so there is no reason for them to change unless they have absolutely no tolerance for this kind of margin any more. DL is losing a lot of money on it, but they have very high tolerance for losses. I think you will see it like this for a while.
 
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:09 pm

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B6 is breaking even or losing a little money on it, so there is no reason for them to change unless they have absolutely no tolerance for this kind of margin any more. DL is losing a lot of money on it, but they have very high tolerance for losses. I think you will see it like this for a while.


So we can watch BOS-PIT predict the outcome of the larger B6/DL fight for Boston? Like a war being decided by single combat? This should be fun.
 
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:37 pm

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tphuang wrote:
B6 is breaking even or losing a little money on it, so there is no reason for them to change unless they have absolutely no tolerance for this kind of margin any more. DL is losing a lot of money on it, but they have very high tolerance for losses. I think you will see it like this for a while.


So we can watch BOS-PIT predict the outcome of the larger B6/DL fight for Boston? Like a war being decided by single combat? This should be fun.


Well, there is no shortage of markets like that in BOS . BUF/PIT/SFO/PHL/FLL. CLE just started, we will see how that looks. ORD/DCA/EWR all profile to be like PIT/PHL.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:04 pm

I wish there were 2 carriers duking it out in PHL like this.



tphuang wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
tphuang wrote:
B6 is breaking even or losing a little money on it, so there is no reason for them to change unless they have absolutely no tolerance for this kind of margin any more. DL is losing a lot of money on it, but they have very high tolerance for losses. I think you will see it like this for a while.


So we can watch BOS-PIT predict the outcome of the larger B6/DL fight for Boston? Like a war being decided by single combat? This should be fun.


Well, there is no shortage of markets like that in BOS . BUF/PIT/SFO/PHL/FLL. CLE just started, we will see how that looks. ORD/DCA/EWR all profile to be like PIT/PHL.

Actually with the exception of BUF all those other markets have additional carriers to BOS muddying the waters in the DL and B6 battle. PIT-BOS (and BUF-BOS) is purely a DL/B6 dog fight. I think that is what he was trying to say.

I think B6 is showing they have quite a bit of tolerance in this fight if they are adding a 7th flight. I saw an occasional B6 A320 scheduled to PIT in the next few weeks as well.



The ACAA seems to think AA's PIT-JFK schedule will still go up to 4x daily:
"In addition, American’s daily roundtrip service to New York-JFK, which had been scheduled to increase from one to four in November, is now scheduled to start four times daily starting Jan. 7. Officials noted schedules are subject to change."
https://blueskypit.com/2019/09/16/american-adds-frequencies-to-eastern-western-destinations/
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:14 pm

The President of Croatia is visiting Pittsburgh for a special event in downtown this weekend.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/09 ... niversary/

A rare NATO C-17, presumably a support plane, is about to land from Glasgow/Prestwick.
https://www.radarbox24.com/data/registration/01

Anyone know what aircraft the Croatian president usually flies on?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:30 am

Anyone else keeping an eye on the Thomas Cook situation?
If they do collapse, does that mean that Condor will cease all flights as well?
 
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:26 am

JamesRenard wrote:
Anyone else keeping an eye on the Thomas Cook situation?
If they do collapse, does that mean that Condor will cease all flights as well?

I'm fairly certain they won't collapse, we will see though


Lufthansa won't let Condor collapse should Thomas Cook collapse, though I would be worried about PIT's future under LH

So for now, wait and see and pray for the best
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:45 am

stl07 wrote:
JamesRenard wrote:
Anyone else keeping an eye on the Thomas Cook situation?
If they do collapse, does that mean that Condor will cease all flights as well?

I'm fairly certain they won't collapse, we will see though


Lufthansa won't let Condor collapse should Thomas Cook collapse, though I would be worried about PIT's future under LH

So for now, wait and see and pray for the best


BA can easily pickup the slack if DE goes away..
 
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:54 am

Flaps wrote:
stl07 wrote:
JamesRenard wrote:
Anyone else keeping an eye on the Thomas Cook situation?
If they do collapse, does that mean that Condor will cease all flights as well?

I'm fairly certain they won't collapse, we will see though


Lufthansa won't let Condor collapse should Thomas Cook collapse, though I would be worried about PIT's future under LH

So for now, wait and see and pray for the best


BA can easily pickup the slack if DE goes away..

The price point is very different. I am willing to buy a business ticket on Condor, not so much on BA.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:18 am

stl07 wrote:
JamesRenard wrote:
Anyone else keeping an eye on the Thomas Cook situation?
If they do collapse, does that mean that Condor will cease all flights as well?

I'm fairly certain they won't collapse, we will see though


Lufthansa won't let Condor collapse should Thomas Cook collapse, though I would be worried about PIT's future under LH

So for now, wait and see and pray for the best


I think PIT will be fine with the seasonal route. They offer an alternate way to Europe and you don’t have to fly to the east cost to connect to a European flight. FRA has more destinations to Europe than LHR. They are already upgrading or that’s the plan for next years flight. Going from a 767 to a A330 and next year is a longer season that will end in October instead of September. They carry a lot of cargo on the flight. The only downside is people might see it as a LCC carrier and not a full service carrier like BA but cost of seats is significantly cheaper for the price consumers who want to save money. Not everyone can afford BA prices. My flights this summer we’re very full and I overheard a passenger saying they saved a lot of money with this flight.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:48 pm

I live three miles from AGC. I was heading to church this morning around 10AM and I swear I possibly saw a 757 on final towards AGC. I only saw it for a split second before it disappeared behind the tree line. I checked FR24 and nothing was on the map where I was.

I came out of church at 11AM and I hear the familiar engine sounds in the distance. I look across the river towards the airport and I see it taking off. It was too far in the distance to see any details, but the plane looked pretty white. I couldn’t make out any colors. Again nothing on FR24.

Can anyone confirm this or was I seeing things?
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:47 am

Thomas Cook Airlines has ceased trading and entered liquidation. Condor is still selling tickets for its FRA-PIT route, indicating that it is being operated by Thomas Cook (A330)
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:32 pm

I just went over to the TC discussion thread, and it looks like Condor will still operate. I'm under the impression that Condor is a subsidiary of TC? Perhaps it's being spun off...

In any event, I read the press release linked from the Trib website. 150k passengers stranded. Ouch. I'm hoping that my thinking is correct and that Condor sticks around...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:18 pm

According to Condor's Social Media page, they will still be operating, all flights with DE in front will remain operational.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:21 pm

The ACAA board approved an $8 million dollar expenditure to add 2 acres of ramp space for the cargo carriers. I assume this will be to the immediate west of the current facilities as was discussed here a few months ago.
https://blueskypit.com/2019/09/23/e-commerce-helps-fuel-cargo-bump-across-airports/?utm_source=PITNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PITNewsletter+(2019-09-23)&utm_content=featured+image&utm_term=1
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Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:46 pm

A new food option opening Friday at PIT http://www.pax-intl.com/passenger-servi ... Yu1OUbYqUk
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:05 pm

While we're talking new food, the breakfast sandwich I got from Melt this morning was banging. A little $$, but worth it.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:34 am

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While we're talking new food, the breakfast sandwich I got from Melt this morning was banging. A little $$, but worth it.


The one thing about PIT that i always loved was that most of the food options that I've used - specifically, Chick-Fil-A, McDonald's and Dunkin - were priced similarly than non-airport locations in Downtown Pittsburgh. PIT is probably one of the few airport locations where I can actually use the McD's app. At least that was my recollection.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:43 am

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The ACAA board approved an $8 million dollar expenditure to add 2 acres of ramp space for the cargo carriers. I assume this will be to the immediate west of the current facilities as was discussed here a few months ago.
https://blueskypit.com/2019/09/23/e-commerce-helps-fuel-cargo-bump-across-airports/?utm_source=PITNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PITNewsletter+(2019-09-23)&utm_content=featured+image&utm_term=1


I also imagine this would be erected immediately to the west of the current facilities. Are they going to add another hangar/warehouse/distribution facility as well? At first glance, adding 2 acres looks like they'd be making enough room to accommodate 2x 777s/747s.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:13 pm

Cant find the resumption date, but WN brought back the SAT PIT-CUN route.
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:26 pm

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Cant find the resumption date, but WN brought back the SAT PIT-CUN route.

March 7. Saturday only
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:01 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:
While we're talking new food, the breakfast sandwich I got from Melt this morning was banging. A little $$, but worth it.


The one thing about PIT that i always loved was that most of the food options that I've used - specifically, Chick-Fil-A, McDonald's and Dunkin - were priced similarly than non-airport locations in Downtown Pittsburgh. PIT is probably one of the few airport locations where I can actually use the McD's app. At least that was my recollection.

I think in Pennsylvania airports aren't allowed to gouge their prices, making the food at the airport same price as everywhere else
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:24 pm

AA subbing in a B752 for an A319 on PHL-PIT for the second time in the past week.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA1638
 
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:50 am

Runway28L wrote:
AA subbing in a B752 for an A319 on PHL-PIT for the second time in the past week.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA1638


I actually got to fly a 752 last month on DFW-PHL and was impressed. Those are a pretty nice surprise into PIT, especially for AA.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:48 pm

On the subject of 757s can anyone tell me what this Delta one is doing at PIT? https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n649dl

It's parked at A21
 
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:06 pm

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On the subject of 757s can anyone tell me what this Delta one is doing at PIT? https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n649dl

It's parked at A21

My guess is it’s carrying the Cincinnati Reds since it came in from CVG
 
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:45 pm

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On the subject of 757s can anyone tell me what this Delta one is doing at PIT? https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n649dl

It's parked at A21

Charter for the Cincinnati Reds.

Side note: DL is no longer parking their charters at Atlantic. They want DGS to handle them, so they are now using A21.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:26 pm

The August 2019 stats are out and passenger numbers are down for the second month in a row.
https://www.flypittsburgh.com/getattach ... lang=en-US
Domestic passenger numbers went up by 1%, but international passengers decreased by 37.3%. Ouch. Again, no doubt due to the loss of CDG and KEF.
Passenger numbers are still up 1.4% year to date, however.

September's stats should be much better, since the CDG flights ended on Sep 3rd in 2018.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:02 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
The August 2019 stats are out and passenger numbers are down for the second month in a row.
https://www.flypittsburgh.com/getattach ... lang=en-US
Domestic passenger numbers went up by 1%, but international passengers decreased by 37.3%. Ouch. Again, no doubt due to the loss of CDG and KEF.
Passenger numbers are still up 1.4% year to date, however.

September's stats should be much better, since the CDG flights ended on Sep 3rd in 2018.


September will be the last month of the year with both BA and Condor flying to Europe and then the international numbers will drop even more till the Caribbean flights kick in for the winter.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:09 pm

Effective May 1st, 2020, JetBlue will upgrade B61585/1786 from an E190 to an A320. The route will be going down to 5x daily to make up for the extra capacity.

Outside of a brief stint in Spring 2017, this will be the first regularly scheduled A320 service by JetBlue on PIT-BOS.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:24 am

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Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:35 am

I noticed a very minor change on Condor's booking engine. For the PIT flight (as well as BWI) the "operated by Thomas Cook" has been replaced by "operated by Condor Partner Airlines". Everything else remains the same including the A330. But I find it a bit encouraging that they actually updated the booking engine and everything else remains in place for now. I wonder if they are really searching out a partner airline with A330s for PIT and BWI or if it will revert back to B763s.
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:44 am

August numbers for BA are now available. A lot happened with a flight cancellation and two B789 equipment swaps, so hopefully the data below isn't off:

214 seats per flight > 14 flights each way > 2,996 monthly seats one way > 5,992 total monthly seats (B788)
216 seats per flight > 2 flights each way > 432 monthly seats one way > 864 total monthly seats (B789)

Combined: 16 flights each way > 3,428 total monthly seats one way > 6,856 total monthly seats

PITTSBURGH 5,900 total 5,900 scheduled

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:04 pm

steeler83 wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
The ACAA board approved an $8 million dollar expenditure to add 2 acres of ramp space for the cargo carriers. I assume this will be to the immediate west of the current facilities as was discussed here a few months ago.
https://blueskypit.com/2019/09/23/e-commerce-helps-fuel-cargo-bump-across-airports/?utm_source=PITNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PITNewsletter+(2019-09-23)&utm_content=featured+image&utm_term=1


I also imagine this would be erected immediately to the west of the current facilities. Are they going to add another hangar/warehouse/distribution facility as well? At first glance, adding 2 acres looks like they'd be making enough room to accommodate 2x 777s/747s.

So one square acre measures 208' x 208'.

The dimensions of a B763 is 156' (wingspan) x 180' (length)
The dimensions of a B748f is 225' (wingspan) x 250' (length)

Therefore a square acre would fit one B763 perfectly and would be way too small for a B748f. Other variables include the actual dimensions of this ramp (most likely not a perfect square) and will it include a taxi lane?

Considering the above I'm inclined to believe it will be large enough for 2 767s or 1 747.




Some completely unrelated and random thoughts:

- Due to capacity restrictions at their CVG hub DHL is at the very early stages of developing a reliever operation at ORD. See article:
https://aircargoworld.com/allposts/dhl-express-adding-new-daily-ord-flights-to-free-up-cvg-hub-peak-season-capacity/

It will only be a few flights, but even that will allow their road feeder network to expand (diagram in article). Although DHL doesn't even serve PIT perhaps this was something the ACAA should have gone after... if they even knew about DHL searching for a second gateway. OTOH about a year ago I remember reading DHL was considering a second US hub.


- The World Routes Forum was held in ADL last week; the ACAA went but very little was covered as far as target airlines. At this point I imagine LH would be a prime target, initially for a cargo service and passenger service down the road depending on what Condor does. Previous rumors of talks with COPA, and I would also think an airline from east Asia with a target start in 5+ years.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:09 pm

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I noticed a very minor change on Condor's booking engine. For the PIT flight (as well as BWI) the "operated by Thomas Cook" has been replaced by "operated by Condor Partner Airlines". Everything else remains the same including the A330. But I find it a bit encouraging that they actually updated the booking engine and everything else remains in place for now. I wonder if they are really searching out a partner airline with A330s for PIT and BWI or if it will revert back to B763s.


Interesting... I know they work with these partner airlines for flights within Europe. My friend was on one operated by Air Baltic, and the partner airline I took pulled up to the gate in an all white A319, no livery of any kind, which felt a little unusual.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:52 pm

PITexpress wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
I noticed a very minor change on Condor's booking engine. For the PIT flight (as well as BWI) the "operated by Thomas Cook" has been replaced by "operated by Condor Partner Airlines". Everything else remains the same including the A330. But I find it a bit encouraging that they actually updated the booking engine and everything else remains in place for now. I wonder if they are really searching out a partner airline with A330s for PIT and BWI or if it will revert back to B763s.


Interesting... I know they work with these partner airlines for flights within Europe. My friend was on one operated by Air Baltic, and the partner airline I took pulled up to the gate in an all white A319, no livery of any kind, which felt a little unusual.


Fairly commonplace this summer with different European Carriers like Icelandair and Norwegian. The grounding of the Max aircraft mixed with engine issues on many 787 fleets has lead to charter airlines picking up the slack. Heck even BA has Air Belgium flying some of their TATL routes with A340s right now. So wouldn't be surprised to see something similar considering all the drama with Condor's parent company going bankrupt.

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