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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:50 am

Delta28L wrote:
CaptainMidnight wrote:
Interesting history, thanks. That $499 round trip in 1981 is about $1400 adjusted for inflation, so about the same as the fare today.

So now chance we’ll see a 747 back here?


Cheapest ticket I saw was $2,400 while the most was $7,400 for today’s flight for nonstop


You are incorrectly assuming a roundtrip fare is just the sum of two one-way's. Not how it work on legacy airlines on international flights where a roundtrip booking is almost always required to get the cheapest fares (generally with a Saturday night stay) and a one-way ticket is often more than a roundtrip ticket. In this particular case, the cheapest fares on this route are $1068 roundtrip with a Saturday night stay. It a seasonal fare with availability through early May and then again from October onwards. Summer fares are somewhat higher.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:54 am

AaronPGH wrote:
tarmacphotos wrote:
The BA flights from LHR to PIT can be purchased for $701 r/t on most days I checked in the next two months. I'll be taking that flight to PIT on Tuesday.


Where are you finding these prices? Still seeing $1200+ here for June, which is when I'm trying to use it.


Unlike US domestic fares, international fares are generally not symmetric and will vary based on which airport you are originating from. The cheapest fares with a US origin on this route are $1068 roundtrip. As noted above, those are seasonal fares and only good through early May, and then again from October onwards for fall/winter. Summer fares will be higher.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:29 pm

Updated schedule for AA in July:

ORD: 7x daily
1x B738
2x A319s
3x E175s
1x E145

DFW: 5x daily
4x B738s
1x A319

MIA: 3x daily (extended into the S19 schedule)
1x E175
2x E145s

PHL: 6x daily
1x A319
4x E190s
1x CRJ7

Everything else saw no change. LGA and DCA still are showing 1x daily E190 each.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:01 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Updated schedule for AA in July:

ORD: 7x daily
1x B738
2x A319s
3x E175s
1x E145

DFW: 5x daily
4x B738s
1x A319


AA has really been pushing the 738s on PIT-DFW lately. For some reason, I thought that was mostly 319s and MD80s for the longest time.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:11 pm

I don't understand AA at all. They've been downgrading the one daily JFK-PIT to smaller and smaller aircraft over the past few years, then cut the service completely for April. Now it's jumping up to 4x daily flights starting in November.
 
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Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:35 pm

JamesRenard wrote:
I don't understand AA at all. They've been downgrading the one daily JFK-PIT to smaller and smaller aircraft over the past few years, then cut the service completely for April. Now it's jumping up to 4x daily flights starting in November.


JFK slot-squatting.....this upgrade has nothing to do with actual service.....they're just hoarding the slots until they decide to do something better with them.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:49 pm

Like I said in the other thread, if it was simply a matter of slot squatting then why not just do that with their existing flights instead of cutting them (such as CLE, BOS, and a handful of others being cut). Perhaps, just perhaps AA decided they want to be competitive in the PIT-NYC market and are matching DL's capacity to JFK. This is hardly the first time AA or one of its predecessors offered PIT-JFK at least 4x daily.

Or, maybe the schedule will change yet again. UA already pulled the second Dec/Jan PIT-SFO flight (after some local media hype the addition received last week). But yet again they can add it back in a few months.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:54 pm

I'm not one to discount another schedule change later on, but this management team has squatted on LGA slots in the past. Thanks for providing additional perspective.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:46 pm

USPIT10L wrote:
I'm not one to discount another schedule change later on, but this management team has squatted on LGA slots in the past. Thanks for providing additional perspective.

Yep, I remember AA sitting on LGA slots by offering 20+ PHL-LGA r/ts with Dash-8s a few years ago.

Another thing about JFK however, is that it is only slot controlled in the late afternoon/early evening. 3 out of 4 PIT-JFK flights fall outside of that period, and perhaps 2 going the other way. The 4 flights seem well timed both ways to capture business O&D or Europe connections.



Runway28L wrote:
PHL: 6x daily
1x A319
4x E190s
1x CRJ.

Such a pitiful offering in what used to be a huge air market. AA is charging $536 o/w for the cheapest nonstop in January.... 9 months out and 4 times the cheapest nonstop fare to NYC on the same date. Just ceding market share to Amtrak, Megabus, and the PA Turnpike Commission.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:42 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
PHL: 6x daily
1x A319
4x E190s
1x CRJ.

Such a pitiful offering in what used to be a huge air market. AA is charging $536 o/w for the cheapest nonstop in January.... 9 months out and 4 times the cheapest nonstop fare to NYC on the same date. Just ceding market share to Amtrak, Megabus, and the PA Turnpike Commission.

I’m really curious to see what happens when the E190s are fully phased out from the fleet. Two possibilities are A) AA generously upgrades these flights to at least A319s or B) The route completely loses mainline and goes all-76 seaters like what UA is doing to IAH again.

Given that PSA started flying CRJ equipment on PIT-PHL earlier this year, I’m inclined to say that’s not a good sign.
 
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:13 am

I believe the PIT JFK filing is a mistake, as some are saying on Enilirias thread. Time will tell.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:34 am

ncflyer wrote:
I believe the PIT JFK filing is a mistake, as some are saying on Enilirias thread. Time will tell.


Did a dummy booking on Google Flights for 12DEC19 PIT-JFK and 17DEC19 JFK-PIT:

Four AA departures from PIT on 12DEC19 - 6:21, 11:57, 13:10, 19:19
Four AA departures from JFK on 17DEC19 - 9:30, 15:35, 17:00, 20:30

They're also loaded onto the AA website.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:19 pm

Runway28L wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
PHL: 6x daily
1x A319
4x E190s
1x CRJ.

Such a pitiful offering in what used to be a huge air market. AA is charging $536 o/w for the cheapest nonstop in January.... 9 months out and 4 times the cheapest nonstop fare to NYC on the same date. Just ceding market share to Amtrak, Megabus, and the PA Turnpike Commission.

I’m really curious to see what happens when the E190s are fully phased out from the fleet. Two possibilities are A) AA generously upgrades these flights to at least A319s or B) The route completely loses mainline and goes all-76 seaters like what UA is doing to IAH again.

Given that PSA started flying CRJ equipment on PIT-PHL earlier this year, I’m inclined to say that’s not a good sign.

I think if it comes to commuter flights-only on PIT-PHL, it will be time someone else enters the market. Whether WN wants to have another go at it or perhaps someone like NK or F9 enters.

Suppose hyperloop actually happens (not holding my breath or anything) and they actually have a line linking Pittsburgh and Philly at some point. Any airline service will be redundant.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:37 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
I believe the PIT JFK filing is a mistake, as some are saying on Enilirias thread. Time will tell.


Did a dummy booking on Google Flights for 12DEC19 PIT-JFK and 17DEC19 JFK-PIT:

Four AA departures from PIT on 12DEC19 - 6:21, 11:57, 13:10, 19:19
Four AA departures from JFK on 17DEC19 - 9:30, 15:35, 17:00, 20:30

They're also loaded onto the AA website.


They are reducing much of the regional flying into JFK due to the closing of the main runway for maintenance. PIT isn't specifically mentioned, but I bet this is related.
See here
https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1115068649553965056
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:51 pm

steeler83 wrote:
Suppose hyperloop actually happens (not holding my breath or anything) and they actually have a line linking Pittsburgh and Philly at some point. Any airline service will be redundant.

No.... it is hyperloop that would be redundant to the airlines ;-)

Never gonna happen anyway with Pittsburgh's topography.



pitbosflyer wrote:

They are reducing much of the regional flying into JFK due to the closing of the main runway for maintenance. PIT isn't specifically mentioned, but I bet this is related.
See here
https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1115068649553965056

The runway work will be completed by the time PIT-JFK goes 4x daily.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:59 pm

I see that JetBlue is starting flights from Boston and New York to London in 2021
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:27 am

Gsasala wrote:
I see that JetBlue is starting flights from Boston and New York to London in 2021

Wonder if they'll bring back JFK-PIT?
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:03 pm

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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:30 pm

Looks like the inaugural ViaAir flight into PIT today has been cancelled according to their site. For some reason it shows two flights (VC4511 as on-time and VC4521 as cancelled), but FlightAware and FR24 show nothing en route.

Off to a great start. :ouch:
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:50 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Looks like the inaugural ViaAir flight into PIT today has been cancelled according to their site. For some reason it shows two flights (VC4511 as on-time and VC4521 as cancelled), but FlightAware and FR24 show nothing en route.

Off to a great start. :ouch:


They are flying now! Delayed is better than cancelled!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SRY4511
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:06 pm

krod031 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Looks like the inaugural ViaAir flight into PIT today has been cancelled according to their site. For some reason it shows two flights (VC4511 as on-time and VC4521 as cancelled), but FlightAware and FR24 show nothing en route.

Off to a great start. :ouch:


They are flying now! Delayed is better than cancelled!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SRY4511

Well then that’s good. I’m not sure why it didn’t pick up on FlightAware when I checked last.

Also, is there a reason why it shows two flights for BHM-PIT? VC4511 is also the AUS-BHM flight.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:00 pm

WN is completely suspending PIT-LAX from June 8-June 30, likely having to do with the MAX grounding.

A number of routes are being reduced or cut for June throughout the WN network.

Edit: PIT-CUN has also been pulled from the June schedule.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:12 pm

Runway28L wrote:
WN is completely suspending PIT-LAX from June 8-June 30, likely having to do with the MAX grounding.

A number of routes are being reduced or cut for June throughout the WN network.

Edit: PIT-CUN has also been pulled from the June schedule.

Could this be an opening for UA to pick-up the PIT-LAX route?
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:24 pm

UA has max issues too in fact they just cut one of two frequencies CLE LAX in May— such short notice Max has to be the reason. By the time UAs issue is solved (or not) so will WNs.

On the plus side I was sure this week AA would cut back on the JFK PIT increase this week, as a mistake, but they haven’t.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:03 pm

I forgot to mention that although PIT-LAX/CUN show as returning for July, they are marked as "Sold Out". So either they may have a chance at coming back but they don't feel like rebooking passengers, or both are permanently cut for good. Though it appears WN has dropped or cut back quite a few of their weaker transcon routes.

If the latter is true, the fact that another carrier has dropped out of PIT-LAX is beyond frustrating. Meanwhile, CMH-LAX will be 3x daily and so will CVG-LAX, while CLE-LAX will be 2x daily. I'm guessing yields just aren't there to make PIT-LAX work except for ULCCs like NK.

A bit of a shame too that DL sliced their season in half for PIT-CUN.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:16 pm

CLE LAX over the summer is 3x on UA and 1x on NK. UA generally scales back to 2x rest of the year, but that must be fragile, as May was just cut to 1x as of today’s schedule update, probably a max issue also. LAX is a head scratcher in PIT but if it’s any solace SEA is a head scratcher in CLE. Seasonal less than daily service on F9 that’s it.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:45 pm

Does anyone know if the ACAA is still rehabing old jetways in the former US Airways cargo building?
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Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:13 pm

Runway28L wrote:
I forgot to mention that although PIT-LAX/CUN show as returning for July, they are marked as "Sold Out". So either they may have a chance at coming back but they don't feel like rebooking passengers, or both are permanently cut for good. Though it appears WN has dropped or cut back quite a few of their weaker transcon routes.

If the latter is true, the fact that another carrier has dropped out of PIT-LAX is beyond frustrating. Meanwhile, CMH-LAX will be 3x daily and so will CVG-LAX, while CLE-LAX will be 2x daily. I'm guessing yields just aren't there to make PIT-LAX work except for ULCCs like NK.

A bit of a shame too that DL sliced their season in half for PIT-CUN.

I'm scratching my head as to why CMH and CVG, smaller markets than PIT, would have that much demand for LAX service.
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:49 am

Runway28L wrote:
I forgot to mention that although PIT-LAX/CUN show as returning for July, they are marked as "Sold Out". So either they may have a chance at coming back but they don't feel like rebooking passengers, or both are permanently cut for good. Though it appears WN has dropped or cut back quite a few of their weaker transcon routes.

If the latter is true, the fact that another carrier has dropped out of PIT-LAX is beyond frustrating. Meanwhile, CMH-LAX will be 3x daily and so will CVG-LAX, while CLE-LAX will be 2x daily. I'm guessing yields just aren't there to make PIT-LAX work except for ULCCs like NK.

A bit of a shame too that DL sliced their season in half for PIT-CUN.


Either that or there's no guarantee that the 3M8s will be airworthy by July. I would hope that the LAX service would return, since the thought of a transccon flight on NK's non-reclining seats with tight pitch is not particularly appealing. The CUN cuts don't seem as surprising, since there was a lot of competition on that route to begin with.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:11 pm

Runway28L wrote:
I forgot to mention that although PIT-LAX/CUN show as returning for July, they are marked as "Sold Out". So either they may have a chance at coming back but they don't feel like rebooking passengers, or both are permanently cut for good. Though it appears WN has dropped or cut back quite a few of their weaker transcon routes.


Read this on Cranky with regards to AA:

...flights started to be blocked from selling a few days before as they started finalizing. The flights were just “zeroed out” so that no seats were shown available for sale.


I wonder if a similar thing is going on regarding these PIT-LAX/CUN flights. It wouldn't imply that the route is being canceled, more so that the airline may be in the process of extending their MAX cancellation window and these particular flights will be or are in the process of being canceled.

https://crankyflier.com/2019/04/15/when ... -to-solve/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:46 pm

https://www.post-gazette.com/business/d ... 1904140068

The architect behind the midfield terminal is urging Pittsburgh International Airport leadership to abandon a $1.1 billion modernization plan, arguing that the project is unnecessary and could end up costing even more than expected.

In an open letter to the Allegheny County Airport Authority, Tasso Katselas has raised a series of concerns about the project, which would involve closing the existing landside building and erecting a new one to handle ticketing, security, and baggage claim.
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:25 pm

Regarding Tasso Katselas’ ‘concerns’ it all sounds like a hissy fit from an architect who gave the ACAA at that time an ugly design and being passed over for the redesign. His aviation expert doesn’t work there so he/she not familiar with how the airport runs. The only argument I would agree with is that the terminal building was not designed with a hub in mind. All terminals are designed for O&D traffic. Times have changed. We need to move forward.
 
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:59 pm

PITexpress wrote:
https://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2019/04/15/Pittsburgh-International-Airport-Tasso-Katselas-Midfield-Terminal/stories/201904140068

The architect behind the midfield terminal is urging Pittsburgh International Airport leadership to abandon a $1.1 billion modernization plan, arguing that the project is unnecessary and could end up costing even more than expected.

In an open letter to the Allegheny County Airport Authority, Tasso Katselas has raised a series of concerns about the project, which would involve closing the existing landside building and erecting a new one to handle ticketing, security, and baggage claim.



What an absolute joke of a letter from a third rate architect. Its too bad the County felt compelled to source locally resulting in using this guy as architect instead of putting out a global RFP to the top tier airport design firms. KIX, MUC, and many others were designed around the same time and they look as new and fresh today as they did when they opened. Yet we have a concrete bunker. Of course he is against the TMP; the Midfield Terminal is his legacy.

Some nonsense from his letter includes calling PIT "The best airport in the world". He doesn't get out much. Then comparing the Midfield terminal to HKG, AUH, and MEX?!?! If he's even been to those he would realize the landside and airside functions are in one combined building.. which is exactly what this TMP will correct.

I love the remark about "colorful roadways" soaring in the air and how it lacks reality. What does he think this is:
Image

What are these torpedo tube looking things supposed to be?
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I could go on and on, but Mr. Katselas is simply irrelevant. Gotta love all the ill informed comments in the P-G article.
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Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:40 pm

He was specific on the "why" of his argument on the challenges of building a new roadway, and I don't think anyone refuted them in the article (maybe they've done so elsewhere). Maybe the strategy is not to dignify the specifics of his concerns with a response.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:06 am

More WN June reductions I've noticed:

PIT-MDW
Decreased from 5x daily to 4x daily (Mon-Fri)

PIT-LAS
Decreased from 2x daily to 2x weekly (now Sat/Sun-only)
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:59 am

ncflyer wrote:
He was specific on the "why" of his argument on the challenges of building a new roadway, and I don't think anyone refuted them in the article (maybe they've done so elsewhere). Maybe the strategy is not to dignify the specifics of his concerns with a response.

I’m somewhat involved in the project. He’s spot on in saying that what is proposed(and shown in the renderings) would cost well over $1.1 billion. The project is going to see a lot of value engineering done as it moves forward.
 
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Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:28 am

Runway28L wrote:
More WN June reductions I've noticed:

PIT-MDW
Decreased from 5x daily to 4x daily (Mon-Fri)

PIT-LAS
Decreased from 2x daily to 2x weekly (now Sat/Sun-only)


Wow. PIT seems to be taking a beating compared to other WN stations.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:39 am

Aug 2018 Intl LF

MU PIT-PVG: 64%
MU PVG-PIT: 54%

DL PIT-CDG: 65%
DL CDG-PIT: 81%

DE PIT-FRA: 77%
DE FRA-PIT: 89%

WW PIT-KEF: 90%
WW KEF-PIT: 54%

AC PIT-YYZ: 70%
AC YYZ-PIT: 76%
AC PIT-YUL: 71%
AC YUL-PIT: 64%

PIT-CUN: WN 83% G4 80% DL 68% AA 67% VB 49%
CUN-PIT: DL 97% G4 91% VB 91% WN 90% AA 81%

G4 PIT-PUJ: 83%
G4 PUJ-PIT: 92%
G4 PIT-POP: 53%
G4 POP-PIT: 66%

Sept 2018 Intl LF

DL PIT-CDG: 44% (3 flights)
DL CDG-PIT: 70% (3 flights)

DE PIT-FRA: 55% (5 flights)
DE FRA-PIT: 74% (5 flights)

WW PIT-KEF: 72%
WW KEF-PIT: 73%

AC PIT-YYZ: 67%
AC YYZ-PIT: 73%
AC PIT-YUL: 73%
AC YUL-PIT: 64%

G4 PIT-CUN: 80%
G4 CUN-PIT: 71%
G4 PIT-PUJ: 84%
G4 PUJ-PIT: 78%

Oct 2018 Intl LF
WW PIT-KEF: 82%
WW KEF-PIT: 85%

AC PIT-YYZ: 64%
AC YYZ-PIT: 73%
AC PIT-YUL: 67%
AC YUL-PIT: 58%

G4 PIT-CUN: 88%
G4 CUN-PIT: 83%
G4 PIT-PUJ: 89%
G4 PUJ-PIT: 86%

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Nov 2018-Jan 2019 Domestic LF (West Coast)
WN PIT-LAX
Nov 2018: 85%
Dec 2018: 82%
Jan 2019: 79%
WN LAX-PIT
Nov 2018: 82%
Dec 2018: 80%
Jan 2019: 95%
NK PIT-LAX
Nov 2018: 90%
Dec 2018: 93%
Jan 2019: 74%
NK LAX-PIT
Nov 2018: 92%
Dec 2018: 92%
Jan 2019: 76%

F9 PIT-SAN
Nov 2018: 81%
Dec 2018: 84%
Jan 2019: 95% (1 departure)
F9 SAN-PIT
Nov 2018: 79%
Dec 2018: 79%
Jan 2019: 91% (1 arrival)

DL PIT-SLC
Nov 2018: 86%
Dec 2018: 85%
Jan 2019: 86%
DL SLC-PIT
Nov 2018: 88%
Dec 2018: 83%
Jan 2019: 79%

UA PIT-SFO
Nov 2018: 89%
Dec 2018: 84%
Jan 2019: 79%
UA SFO-PIT
Nov 2018: 88%
Dec 2018: 82%
Jan 2019: 76%

AS PIT-SEA
Nov 2018: 75%
Dec 2018: 81%
Jan 2019: 60%
AS SEA-PIT
Nov 2018: 75%
Dec 2018: 75%
Jan 2019: 57%
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:18 pm

flyPIT wrote:
PITexpress wrote:
https://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2019/04/15/Pittsburgh-International-Airport-Tasso-Katselas-Midfield-Terminal/stories/201904140068

The architect behind the midfield terminal is urging Pittsburgh International Airport leadership to abandon a $1.1 billion modernization plan, arguing that the project is unnecessary and could end up costing even more than expected.

In an open letter to the Allegheny County Airport Authority, Tasso Katselas has raised a series of concerns about the project, which would involve closing the existing landside building and erecting a new one to handle ticketing, security, and baggage claim.



What an absolute joke of a letter from a third rate architect. Its too bad the County felt compelled to source locally resulting in using this guy as architect instead of putting out a global RFP to the top tier airport design firms. KIX, MUC, and many others were designed around the same time and they look as new and fresh today as they did when they opened. Yet we have a concrete bunker. Of course he is against the TMP; the Midfield Terminal is his legacy.

Some nonsense from his letter includes calling PIT "The best airport in the world". He doesn't get out much. Then comparing the Midfield terminal to HKG, AUH, and MEX?!?! If he's even been to those he would realize the landside and airside functions are in one combined building.. which is exactly what this TMP will correct.

I love the remark about "colorful roadways" soaring in the air and how it lacks reality. What does he think this is:
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What are these torpedo tube looking things supposed to be?
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I could go on and on, but Mr. Katselas is simply irrelevant. Gotta love all the ill informed comments in the P-G article.


The only thing I will miss from the current Landside terminal is the high arched roofs. Other than that, it's a dark, drab dungeon.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:34 pm

Blue Sky article on WN’s cuts to LAX, LAS, and CUN.

https://blueskypit.com/2019/04/15/max-8 ... -schedule/
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 1:53 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Blue Sky article on WN’s cuts to LAX, LAS, and CUN.

https://blueskypit.com/2019/04/15/max-8 ... -schedule/

I remember when either the NTSB or the FAA urged the grounding of the whole 737 fleet (or at least the 732 and 733 variants) in the '90s after the crash of US427 and I think one or two other similar incidents involving the 737 (a Metrojet 732 comes to mind). Hopefully they'll have this 737 max issue resolved soon.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:36 pm

Lots of great discussions going on here but back to the terminal. Drab concrete for sure, Plus more aesthetic misfires, but the layout/configuration is really excellent for a hub and I’m surprised it was not duplicated anywhere that I’m aware of. This is why I think the former architect probably brings some credibility in his arguments.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:51 pm

steeler83 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Blue Sky article on WN’s cuts to LAX, LAS, and CUN.

https://blueskypit.com/2019/04/15/max-8 ... -schedule/

I remember when either the NTSB or the FAA urged the grounding of the whole 737 fleet (or at least the 732 and 733 variants) in the '90s after the crash of US427 and I think one or two other similar incidents involving the 737 (a Metrojet 732 comes to mind). Hopefully they'll have this 737 max issue resolved soon.


I believe there was another US Air crash in CLT that year as well.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:40 pm

Some random thoughts about the latest traffic stats:

Runway28L wrote:
Aug 2018 Intl LF

MU PIT-PVG: 64%
MU PVG-PIT: 54%

DL PIT-CDG: 65%
DL CDG-PIT: 81%

DE PIT-FRA: 77%
DE FRA-PIT: 89%

Regarding PVG it's important to remember the whole point is a point of sale from the China end, which had an almost 100% load factor for their single one week itinerary that was covered over two round trips and explains the split FL's shown.

Last time I started to look at cargo figures, especially on DE which seemed to gain some momentum. Their momentum continued through Aug and Sept, carrying approximately twice as much cargo per flight as DL's CDG-PIT flight. In fact, on a per flight basis the Condor flight carried more than their FRA-BWI flight, which I found surprising considering how much of a larger cargo operation BWI has. FRA-PIT also carried about the same amount of cargo as DL's CDG-IND/CVG routes per flight, which I also found surprising considering both IND and CVG are much larger logistics centers. On the negative side, DL's CDG-PIT flight carried only about half the cargo as our peer cities, and there was nothing going eastbound to Europe from PIT.

It will be interesting to see how BA does.


Runway28L wrote:
F9 PIT-SAN
Nov 2018: 81%
Dec 2018: 84%
Jan 2019: 95% (1 departure)
F9 SAN-PIT
Nov 2018: 79%
Dec 2018: 79%
Jan 2019: 91% (1 arrival)

Its already been said before, but WTF F9? They dropped two routes that could have been near 100% LF on an A320 (the other being MCO) and they still could have jacked up fares.


burghpyro wrote:
The only thing I will miss from the current Landside terminal is the high arched roofs. Other than that, it's a dark, drab dungeon.

Agreed, the arched ceilings are nice.


ncflyer wrote:
Lots of great discussions going on here but back to the terminal. Drab concrete for sure, Plus more aesthetic misfires, but the layout/configuration is really excellent for a hub and I’m surprised it was not duplicated anywhere that I’m aware of. This is why I think the former architect probably brings some credibility in his arguments.

I'm not sure how much he had to do with the physical layout. The midfield "X" design idea goes back to the 1970's.

As far as its duplication, there were a few proposals that never came about, such as a previous MEM master plan:
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IND was considering an "X" too but went with something more traditional.

HKG had one planned as their satellite terminal but decided on a traditional linear concourse. I think the problem is the "X" is not as efficient for taxiing as linear concourses perpendicular to runways. There's a lot of extra taxiing at PIT.

There is an "X" satellite being built at Shenzhen however:
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There may be a few more planned but for the most part I think we will see more hybrid designs where the landside head house is mated to the "X". JED, AUH, BOM, new MEX, PIT, etc etc.




Feb 2019 numbers are out. Only a 0.8% gain. A gain is a gain I guess; I think some others saw a decline for Feb. The next few months are not gonna be pretty with these WN cuts.
http://www.flypittsburgh.com/getattachment/Newsroom/Airport-Statistics/February-2019-Short-E-Mail-Report.pdf.aspx?lang=en-US
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:29 pm

Fantastic post thank you FlyPit, for the layout info. Good point on the X design— good for pax bad for taxiing
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:45 am

Looks like QR is adding a 3rd flight in to their summer schedule coming direct from LUX then going on to ORD.

http://www.qrcargo.com/docs/02.Summer%2 ... 202019.pdf
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:07 am

KPITK wrote:
Looks like QR is adding a 3rd flight in to their summer schedule coming direct from LUX then going on to ORD.

http://www.qrcargo.com/docs/02.Summer%2 ... 202019.pdf

Very interesting. Its odd however that this flight (8141) is reflected in the DOH-PIT section of the timetable with a stop in LUX, but is not published in the LUX-PIT section right below? Same if you look at LUX-PIT under the LUX listings.
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:39 am

flyPIT wrote:
KPITK wrote:
Looks like QR is adding a 3rd flight in to their summer schedule coming direct from LUX then going on to ORD.

http://www.qrcargo.com/docs/02.Summer%2 ... 202019.pdf

Very interesting. Its odd however that this flight (8141) is reflected in the DOH-PIT section of the timetable with a stop in LUX, but is not published in the LUX-PIT section right below? Same if you look at LUX-PIT under the LUX listings.


Interesting, didn’t see that. It’s surprising given the two current flights do not seem to be doing that well.

This could be QR’s attempt to gain another subsidy from the ACAA or they may just be trying to alleviate some of the traffic at ORD and route the inbound cargo through PIt and then send the plane to ORD to pick up a majority of the cargo leading back to Europe.
 
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:03 pm

Yes, flyPIT, interesting information regarding other plans for X terminal layouts at other air fields.

As for the February 2019 passenger figures, I think the marginal gain has to do with the fact that WW went belly-up along with continued reductions from AA. Altho it does seem that other airlines have stepped in (DL on PIT-BOS namely) to offset whatever AA has dropped.

QR adding a 3rd weekly flight is rather interesting. It will be fun to watch how that transpires, and from what I read in the BA news, they indicated they were pleased with the rate of early bookings. I am anxious to hear how the bookings look since then. Granted the service only began a couple of weeks ago...

burghpyro wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Blue Sky article on WN’s cuts to LAX, LAS, and CUN.

https://blueskypit.com/2019/04/15/max-8 ... -schedule/

I remember when either the NTSB or the FAA urged the grounding of the whole 737 fleet (or at least the 732 and 733 variants) in the '90s after the crash of US427 and I think one or two other similar incidents involving the 737 (a Metrojet 732 comes to mind). Hopefully they'll have this 737 max issue resolved soon.


I believe there was another US Air crash in CLT that year as well.

I believe you are correct, but I also believe that was a DC9, operated as US 1016, which encountered wind shear from a thunderstorm when trying to land at CLT. That took place in the summer of '94.

I think a few years prior to US427, there was a UA jet that made an emergency landing (or maybe it also crashed; I can't remember) after rudder issues. I think right around the same time as US427, a Metrojet 732 made an emergency landing after experiencing the same problem.

Going back to the terminal design, I just wanted to add that I respectfully disagree with the original terminal architect's opinion of the redesign. His terminal was designed for a hub, which it is no longer. It's over-built; will likely never serve that purpose again. It's been more than 30 years since ground was broken on this building. If you look at other terminals about to do a redesign or a complete overhaul, $1.1B seems to be the consensus. CLT did a recent expansion between 2007 and 2015 that cost about $1.5B. They're about to embark on another expansion project. Granted, this may be an apples-to-oranges comparison, here, but it does put it into perspective. I guess a better airport to compare is IND. They just did a modernization project about 10 years ago, that that cost $1.1B...
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Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2019

Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:09 pm

UA585 (B732) crashed in COS in 1991 I want to say due to the rudder problem. An Eastwind 737 also experienced a rudder hard over after US427 in flight but the pilots were able to recover.
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