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Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:16 pm

Happy New Year Turkish Aviation fans,
Wishing all of you a happy, healthy and peaceful 2019.
May all your voyages be safe and all your landings smooth :)


Interesting piece of info about the above photo is that I was inside that 777 all the way in the backgroun; just landed from DXB and I saw the 748 VIP taxi.

I wanted to do a recap of 2018, but found out it will be a very long one since so much has happened last year.
So, let me just start this year, with a few notes:

-As you all know, the most important event of the year for me is the arrival of TK’s 787s. In 2019 TK expects to get 6 x 789s and 2 x 359s. First 787 to arrive during late summer and 359 by November.
-Besides those, TK will get 5 x 739Ms, 12 x 738Ms and 18 x 321NEOs. Wow!! That is almost one plane per week. Probably more, since most will come after the move to the new airport.
-7 x TK A320s to leave the fleet in 2019.
-My notes say, in 2019 Pegasus will also receive 7 x 320NEOs, 7 x 321NEOs and an extra leased 4 x 320NEOs.
-In some other news….. the new airport might open by March. So far only a handful flights are being operated. On Jan 10 more flights will be added; to destinations like Moscow, LGW, Paris, Frankfurt, Kuwait and such. Still no wide body operations out of ISL ( future IST)
-TK is in talks to sponsor Chelsea F.C.
-TK starts ESB-FCO 2 x Weekly on Jan7th.
-TK said, on 8/9/2019 that the total number of passengers carried is targeted to reach 75 million in 2018, including 33 million on domestic routes, 42 million on international routes. TK’s predictions are so much more realistic than the Turkish Central Bank’s :)
-Talking about predictions and such, I came across this piece of prediction:
"Limak Holding, builder of the new airport; said back in 9/2013 that 3rd airport in Istanbul will open this date, Jan 2019”. Not far off.

Please continue with your views, news, photos, rumors and good old sense of humor. Please, refrain from personal attacks and political mumbo jumbo. Thank you and Welcome.

I would also like to congratulate our a.net member “Baha” on his new marriage and new home base :)

You can reach last month’s thread here:
Turkish Aviation December 2018
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation January 2019

Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:18 pm

2019 should be an action packed year for TK, such as moving to their new home (without any delays hopefully) and the introduction of the 787s, more A321neo/737 Max deliveries, and finally the introduction of a new long business class product.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:20 am

Happy new year to everyone!

A bit of bad news to start year for TK. They have been unable to secure customs approval at EWR for summer season. Looks like route launch will have to be delayed.
EWR appears be too busy with existing international arrivals and lacks FIS and gating capacity during time frame that TK requires.
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:39 am

Happy new year to everyone here.

TK787 Thank you for keeping these threads going year by year, 2019 is going to be exciting times for Turkish aviation, I too look forward for the 787 and 350 arrivals this year and hope this year we see some metal here in MEL or SYD .
Selamlar.
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:41 am

In terms of longhaul developments, what has been confirmed so far has been:

* the launch of daily Denpasar flights
* the deployment of B789 capacity on the DPS, ATL, IAD and BOG-PTY routes
* the delinking of SGN and HAN into daily SGN and 6 weekly HAN terminators

If EWR is not happening with TK's desired schedule, would it anyway be launched with a less commercially attractive schedule (maybe a late evening turn in EWR similar to TK011/012 at JFK), or would TK look for an alternative US destination (maybe SEA)?

With 8 new widebody longhaul frames coming online, albeit towards the end of the year, and no obvious retirements planned, there seems to be room left for further expansion through new destinations or reinforced frequencies. Is Osaka coming back as was mentioned? And what about the Mexico plans?
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:53 am

Happy New Year everyone and MANY THANKS TK787 for keeping up this thread for so many years. It's almost an institution by now :)

Really sad news regarding EWR. Which slotpairs did TK apply for, any idea? Almost hard to believe that they couldn't get a suitable one on the EWR end considering their full flexibility in IST/ISL.
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:41 am

TK tried 1520/1800 arrival and 2030/2330 departure options at EWR, but there simply appears there is not the capacity(and gate space) to accommodate them in the international arrivals portion of Terminal-B.
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:28 am

Happy New Year and thanks to TK787 for great threads in 2018.

It certainly will be an interesting next few months with developments at the new airport.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:36 pm

TK also launches ESB LGW
ESB GYD and ESB Tbilisi from next week as well as ESB FCO that you mentioned, quite a milestone for international expansion from ESB

quote="TK787"]Happy New Year Turkish Aviation fans,
Wishing all of you a happy, healthy and peaceful 2019.
May all your voyages be safe and all your landings smooth :)


Interesting piece of info about the above photo is that I was inside that 777 all the way in the backgroun; just landed from DXB and I saw the 748 VIP taxi.

I wanted to do a recap of 2018, but found out it will be a very long one since so much has happened last year.
So, let me just start this year, with a few notes:

-As you all know, the most important event of the year for me is the arrival of TK’s 787s. In 2019 TK expects to get 6 x 789s and 2 x 359s. First 787 to arrive during late summer and 359 by November.
-Besides those, TK will get 5 x 739Ms, 12 x 738Ms and 18 x 321NEOs. Wow!! That is almost one plane per week. Probably more, since most will come after the move to the new airport.
-7 x TK A320s to leave the fleet in 2019.
-My notes say, in 2019 Pegasus will also receive 7 x 320NEOs, 7 x 321NEOs and an extra leased 4 x 320NEOs.
-In some other news….. the new airport might open by March. So far only a handful flights are being operated. On Jan 10 more flights will be added; to destinations like Moscow, LGW, Paris, Frankfurt, Kuwait and such. Still no wide body operations out of ISL ( future IST)
-TK is in talks to sponsor Chelsea F.C.
-TK starts ESB-FCO 2 x Weekly on Jan7th.
-TK said, on 8/9/2019 that the total number of passengers carried is targeted to reach 75 million in 2018, including 33 million on domestic routes, 42 million on international routes. TK’s predictions are so much more realistic than the Turkish Central Bank’s :)
-Talking about predictions and such, I came across this piece of prediction:
"Limak Holding, builder of the new airport; said back in 9/2013 that 3rd airport in Istanbul will open this date, Jan 2019”. Not far off.

Please continue with your views, news, photos, rumors and good old sense of humor. Please, refrain from personal attacks and political mumbo jumbo. Thank you and Welcome.

I would also like to congratulate our a.net member “Baha” on his new marriage and new home base :)

You can reach last month’s thread here:
Turkish Aviation December 2018[/quote]
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:57 pm

Αre we likely to see any of the new WBs on european routes, since TK uses 773s and A333s frequently to LHR,CDG,DUS,FRA,HAM,MXP etc?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:19 pm

Curious: does Turkey have any plans to dispose of TC-TUR? They now have a B748, A345 (HGW), and an A332 Prestige as their VIP planes.

As for the new airport, with more slots available, I could see some triangular routes split into terminator routes, along with perhaps a one-stop Australia route via SIN.

As for EWR, what about an arrival at about the same time TK3/4 gets into JFK? That one is optimized for a morning arrival into IST/ISL. This may also be why SQ22/1 is a red eye to Newark. The heavy international arrivals bank starts around 1 PM.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:51 pm

Does TK have the same problem as EK in attracting or retaining pilots? Or different work atmosphere.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:09 am

HB-IWC wrote:
In terms of longhaul developments, what has been confirmed so far has been:

* the launch of daily Denpasar flights
* the deployment of B789 capacity on the DPS, ATL, IAD and BOG-PTY routes
* the delinking of SGN and HAN into daily SGN and 6 weekly HAN terminators

If EWR is not happening with TK's desired schedule, would it anyway be launched with a less commercially attractive schedule (maybe a late evening turn in EWR similar to TK011/012 at JFK), or would TK look for an alternative US destination (maybe SEA)?

With 8 new widebody longhaul frames coming online, albeit towards the end of the year, and no obvious retirements planned, there seems to be room left for further expansion through new destinations or reinforced frequencies. Is Osaka coming back as was mentioned? And what about the Mexico plans?


what are the details on the BOG-PTY route with the B789?
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:27 am

Avianca wrote:
what are the details on the BOG-PTY route with the B789?


Was announced and posted back in October. The route goes 787 eff September 10, 2019.
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:00 am

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TK tried 1520/1800 arrival and 2030/2330 departure options at EWR, but there simply appears there is not the capacity(and gate space) to accommodate them in the international arrivals portion of Terminal-B.


So that means that for all intents and purposes EWR is full the entire afternoon and evening for the kind of gate space at international arrivals which TK is looking for? Given that this would a new international entrant and a destination not currently served from EWR, one would expect the airport authority to go out of its way to accommodate this new flight. What does the relationship between TK and UA look like? Any help to be expected from that direction or rather the opposite?

Would TK ever consider a schedule like this:

IST EWR 0200 - 0600
EWR IST 1200 - 0445+1
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:26 am

While EWR serves NYC, its largely a new station that brings along a new catchment area (such as portions of Pennsylvania). To make things work it needs to be timed similar to other TK North America stations and also maximize IST hub connections.

Regarding UA, not even JV partners like LH share terminal at EWR. Matter of fact, United operates large number of international arrivals into Terminal B in the afternoon as it's own Terminal C is full.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:31 am

Just saw the expanded schedule for IST-KBP. That route is barely 575 nmi...yet it is served with A330-300 aircraft on some frequencies. What's the cargo or passenger situation on that route to justify a wide-body aircraft on that route? (This route is served with a mix of B738 and A333 equipment.) I say this being aware that IST-TLV gets as big as a B77W (that route is 8x daily - 6x A321, 1x A333, 1x B77W), but TK gets great feed into the network.

As for TK, might it be better suited to try PHL instead? EWR, while not slot-restricted, has no room for international flights between 12 PM and 6 PM that can't be remote-standed (i.e, DH8Ds from PD). About the only way it could get in is if TK could trade an arrival slot with B0 around 4:30 PM in exchange for B0 arriving later for its second flight, but is that flight daily or only 6x weekly? (B0 has an early afternoon arrival as well.)

Also, out of curiosity...is IST-ADB, a 180-nmi route, the world's shortest B77W route? (That route is basically a shuttle, with a mix of A320, A321, B738, and B77W equipment.)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:57 am

Ukraine (like Russia) is a massive market to Turkey.
Between Jan-Nov 2018(latest avail), 1,347,060 Ukrainians arrived in Turkey. Add in a few hundred thousand folks that transit Turkey to/from Ukraine (top markets like TLV, Egypt, BEY, Iran, SIN, BKK, China, ICN, Gulf states, etc), you see the capacity is well supported.
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:59 am

Happy new year all
Does anybody know range of TKs A321s
At the begining it was indicated as 3450 km at skylife later i saw they deployed a321 auh, dxb snd lisbon which is more so i think it is around 4000 km
Then my second question is if a321 has emough leg why is not deployed on almati, tashkent, some long mid afrucan destination and these relatively far destinations are 737 mission
I know some carriers to fly 321 for 5-6 hours, any comment
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:34 am

LAXintl wrote:
While EWR serves NYC, its largely a new station that brings along a new catchment area (such as portions of Pennsylvania). To make things work it needs to be timed similar to other TK North America stations and also maximize IST hub connections.


I hear you, but if given the choice between no service at all and the albeit non-conventional option of a departure in the 2am bank from Istanbul with an arrival in the early morning, I would imagine that most connectivity would be guaranteed or are there specific markets which would be missed and without which the flight would not be viable. The ME carriers seem to be doing just fine with such operational patterns for some of their US East Coast flights.

And in regard to this, I have always found the schedule of the IST GRU EZE flight to be an outlier in the grand scheme of the TK operation. It seems to me that a 2am departure would make a lot more sense for this flight, but I have no clear data on the kind of connecting markets that make this flight viable.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:30 am

HB-IWC wrote:
And in regard to this, I have always found the schedule of the IST GRU EZE flight to be an outlier in the grand scheme of the TK operation. It seems to me that a 2am departure would make a lot more sense for this flight, but I have no clear data on the kind of connecting markets that make this flight viable.


Its connects with flights to Asia. Flights come into IST around 5am, leave for GRU and EZE at 9am. Returning from GRU and EZE at 11pm, leaving for Asia at 2am.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:41 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Just saw the expanded schedule for IST-KBP. That route is barely 575 nmi...yet it is served with A330-300 aircraft on some frequencies. What's the cargo or passenger situation on that route to justify a wide-body aircraft on that route? (This route is served with a mix of B738 and A333 equipment.) I say this being aware that IST-TLV gets as big as a B77W (that route is 8x daily - 6x A321, 1x A333, 1x B77W), but TK gets great feed into the network.

As for TK, might it be better suited to try PHL instead? EWR, while not slot-restricted, has no room for international flights between 12 PM and 6 PM that can't be remote-standed (i.e, DH8Ds from PD). About the only way it could get in is if TK could trade an arrival slot with B0 around 4:30 PM in exchange for B0 arriving later for its second flight, but is that flight daily or only 6x weekly? (B0 has an early afternoon arrival as well.)

Also, out of curiosity...is IST-ADB, a 180-nmi route, the world's shortest B77W route? (That route is basically a shuttle, with a mix of A320, A321, B738, and B77W equipment.)


A large number of European routes from IST see TK widebodies. This is from both in-between longer-haul services but also demand. Of course, they tend to coincide with the fundamental banks, so driving pax volume.

There are so many examples, but this summarises it today (2nd Jan) for Europe:

AMS: 2x 332s, 2x 333s
ARN: 1x 333
BCN: 1x 333
CDG: 2x 333
DUS: 1x 333
FCO: 1x 332
FRA: 1x 332, 1x 333
HAM: 1x 333
KBP: 2x 333s
LHR: 2x 77W, 1x 333
MAD: 2x 333s
MXP: 1x 333
OTP: 2x 333
TXL: 1x 333
VIE: 1x 333
VKO: 1x 333

And for Turkey and Georgia:

ADB: 2x 77W
AYT: 1x 333
ESB: 1x 77W
TBS: 1x 333
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:09 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Curious: does Turkey have any plans to dispose of TC-TUR? They now have a B748, A345 (HGW), and an A332 Prestige as their VIP planes.

As for the new airport, with more slots available, I could see some triangular routes split into terminator routes, along with perhaps a one-stop Australia route via SIN.

As for EWR, what about an arrival at about the same time TK3/4 gets into JFK? That one is optimized for a morning arrival into IST/ISL. This may also be why SQ22/1 is a red eye to Newark. The heavy international arrivals bank starts around 1 PM.


TC-CAN (the A340) is actually older than TC-TUR (the A330). So maybe they’ll get rid of the A340 first now that they have the 747-8
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:16 pm

With TK issues getting the desired times at EWR would TK management consider starting IST-PHL-IST instead of EWR? Presently the only ME3 carrier at PHL is QR which operates daily.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:48 pm

georgiabill wrote:
With TK issues getting the desired times at EWR would TK management consider starting IST-PHL-IST instead of EWR? Presently the only ME3 carrier at PHL is QR which operates daily.


Would be very significantly less attractive given EWR is Star (UA) and PHL isn't.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:37 pm

PHL not one of the markets being eyed currently. As I have posted previously, beyond EWR, TK has sights on SEA, DFW, MCO, DEN and DTW.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:17 pm

Happy 2019 to all.

Looks like this will be a big year for aviation in Turkey. The new Istanbul airport, continued growth at TK and PC, record tourism predicted, the second runway at SAW, etc.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:33 pm

Why has KLM reduced from 3 to 2 and now 1 daily frequency to IST? They operate the 737, mainly the smallest -700 (some days the -800), while TK, PC and KK together serve 10 flights in total of which 4 wide bodies. I often fly this route with KL and its always packed so I wonder why they reduced to 1 and use their smallest aircraft? Is it because they dont have their fleet capacity is limited or are they not interested to tap into Turkish market? I am sure they could easily fill a A330 to Ist if they wanted to.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:45 pm

HeyTK wrote:
Why has KLM reduced from 3 to 2 and now 1 daily frequency to IST? They operate the 737, mainly the smallest -700 (some days the -800), while TK, PC and KK together serve 10 flights in total of which 4 wide bodies. I often fly this route with KL and its always packed so I wonder why they reduced to 1 and use their smallest aircraft? Is it because they dont have their fleet capacity is limited or are they not interested to tap into Turkish market? I am sure they could easily fill a A330 to Ist if they wanted to.


Perhaps you answered your own question? :-)
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:46 pm

HeyTK wrote:
Why has KLM reduced from 3 to 2 and now 1 daily frequency to IST? They operate the 737, mainly the smallest -700 (some days the -800), while TK, PC and KK together serve 10 flights in total of which 4 wide bodies. I often fly this route with KL and its always packed so I wonder why they reduced to 1 and use their smallest aircraft? Is it because they dont have their fleet capacity is limited or are they not interested to tap into Turkish market? I am sure they could easily fill a A330 to Ist if they wanted to.


Same reason AZ, LH, BA, LX, AF, etc have reduced Turkey services over the years.
Its very hard for them to compete against strong Turkish carriers which offer a good product, competitive pricing, and lower operating cost.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:13 pm

HeyTK wrote:
Why has KLM reduced from 3 to 2 and now 1 daily frequency to IST? They operate the 737, mainly the smallest -700 (some days the -800), while TK, PC and KK together serve 10 flights in total of which 4 wide bodies. I often fly this route with KL and its always packed so I wonder why they reduced to 1 and use their smallest aircraft? Is it because they dont have their fleet capacity is limited or are they not interested to tap into Turkish market? I am sure they could easily fill a A330 to Ist if they wanted to.


Probably the Turkish carriers have lower operating costs, plus TK has a massive amount of connecting traffic. To London Heathrow, TK is flying the 777-300 and A330s whilst BA is flying nothing but A320s.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:43 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
HeyTK wrote:
Why has KLM reduced from 3 to 2 and now 1 daily frequency to IST? They operate the 737, mainly the smallest -700 (some days the -800), while TK, PC and KK together serve 10 flights in total of which 4 wide bodies. I often fly this route with KL and its always packed so I wonder why they reduced to 1 and use their smallest aircraft? Is it because they dont have their fleet capacity is limited or are they not interested to tap into Turkish market? I am sure they could easily fill a A330 to Ist if they wanted to.


Probably the Turkish carriers have lower operating costs, plus TK has a massive amount of connecting traffic. To London Heathrow, TK is flying the 777-300 and A330s whilst BA is flying nothing but A320s.


Also, as someone who has tried both, BA's service and aircraft suck.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:38 am

Elshad wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Curious: does Turkey have any plans to dispose of TC-TUR? They now have a B748, A345 (HGW), and an A332 Prestige as their VIP planes.

As for the new airport, with more slots available, I could see some triangular routes split into terminator routes, along with perhaps a one-stop Australia route via SIN.

As for EWR, what about an arrival at about the same time TK3/4 gets into JFK? That one is optimized for a morning arrival into IST/ISL. This may also be why SQ22/1 is a red eye to Newark. The heavy international arrivals bank starts around 1 PM.


TC-CAN (the A340) is actually older than TC-TUR (the A330). So maybe they’ll get rid of the A340 first now that they have the 747-8


TC-CAN is older in age, but did almost no flying prior to last year. That was a Kingfisher NTU, then bought (and stored) by the Tunisian government before being acquired by TK (and later the Turkish government outright). The difference is that any TK A330 pilot can be easily trained to fly TC-CAN. TK never flew a 747 before on its own AOC...and so TC-TRK requires new training (the models ordered by the airline from Boeing were/are the 727, 737, 777, and 787).

HeyTK wrote:
Why has KLM reduced from 3 to 2 and now 1 daily frequency to IST? They operate the 737, mainly the smallest -700 (some days the -800), while TK, PC and KK together serve 10 flights in total of which 4 wide bodies. I often fly this route with KL and its always packed so I wonder why they reduced to 1 and use their smallest aircraft? Is it because they dont have their fleet capacity is limited or are they not interested to tap into Turkish market? I am sure they could easily fill a A330 to Ist if they wanted to.


Because KLM doesn't get feed into IST on its own metal (it codeshares with KK). TK uses IST as a connecting hub. TK is like Emirates, but with twinjets (providing one-stop services to almost every country). That said, if KL is using only the -700, I question their fleet usage since it should be using the -800 on all days. Also, KLM code-shares with KK, which uses a mix of A320 and A321 aircraft.

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georgiabill wrote:
With TK issues getting the desired times at EWR would TK management consider starting IST-PHL-IST instead of EWR? Presently the only ME3 carrier at PHL is QR which operates daily.


Would be very significantly less attractive given EWR is Star (UA) and PHL isn't.


Even without JFK being a Star Alliance hub, TK still gets feed from AV from the late evening arrivals into JFK (JFK-IST is also a codeshare with HY and SQ - not on all frequencies). Also, I doubt UA would help TK given its JV with LH.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:32 am

KK will increase IST-BEG from 4 to 7 weekly this summer. They have also expanded their code-share agreement with Air Serbia.

KK on JU: TIA, TGD, SJJ, VIE, SKP, PRG and JFK.
JU on KK: Bodrum, Tehran, Antalya, Izmir, Gaziantep, Kuwait and Tel Aviv.

I honestly don't know why flies from Belgrade to Gaziantep but ok...

TK is still blocked from adding more flights from IST and their requests to launch ESB-BEG was denied.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:57 am

ist2014 wrote:
Happy new year all
Does anybody know range of TKs A321s
At the begining it was indicated as 3450 km at skylife later i saw they deployed a321 auh, dxb snd lisbon which is more so i think it is around 4000 km
Then my second question is if a321 has emough leg why is not deployed on almati, tashkent, some long mid afrucan destination and these relatively far destinations are 737 mission
I know some carriers to fly 321 for 5-6 hours, any comment


Those A321 that fly 6 hours long flights have higher MTOW 93,5t instead of 89t and have two extra fuel tanks in the belly.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:49 am

Nouvelair Tunisie will launch four weekly TUN-IST flights starting from March 2019. All flights are to be operated by the A320.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2019/
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:15 pm

What is the situation of the new Istanbul airport?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:45 pm

IST is a TK territory and European premium airlines cannot compete with TK's superior product. KL had a unique opportunity to reinstate AMS ESB and AMS ADB over the years as TK ignored ESB and ADB in favor of IST focused international expansion, KL would attract a lot of North American and UK traffic from ESB and ADB but they did not open that card. Today may even be too late in my opinion as TK is growing ESB as a secondary international hub nowadays and I will not be surprised to see ESB AMS to be reinstated soon by TK..

KL served Ankara from 1954 till 1990 and the flights were suspended due to First Gulf War. At that time KL was operating a triangle flight as AMS-ESB-ADB-AMS with a A310, a great service that was superior to TK in these years. Today the coin flipped to TK's favor, KL operating like a LCC.

I still think there is room for KL to grow in Turkey but am afraid they are scared of the competition.

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Why has KLM reduced from 3 to 2 and now 1 daily frequency to IST? They operate the 737, mainly the smallest -700 (some days the -800), while TK, PC and KK together serve 10 flights in total of which 4 wide bodies. I often fly this route with KL and its always packed so I wonder why they reduced to 1 and use their smallest aircraft? Is it because they dont have their fleet capacity is limited or are they not interested to tap into Turkish market? I am sure they could easily fill a A330 to Ist if they wanted to.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:47 am

THS214 wrote:
What is the situation of the new Istanbul airport?


Currently there are flights to Ankara, Izmir, Antalya, Adana, Hatay, Kayseri, Baku and Nicosia. From 10th January they will add:

Istanbul New Airport – Ashgabat 10JAN19 – 26FEB19 4 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Diyarbakir 10JAN19 – 26FEB19 3 weekly A320
Istanbul New Airport – Frankfurt 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Gaziantep 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Hatay 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 3 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Kuwait City 11JAN19 – 27FEB19 4 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – London Gatwick 04FEB19 – 28FEB19 4 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Moscow Vnukovo 11JAN19 – 27FEB19 5 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Munich 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 5 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Paris CDG 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily A321
Istanbul New Airport – Tbilisi 10JAN19 – 27FEB19 1 daily A321
Istanbul New Airport – Trabzon 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily A320

The full opening is now planned for March. I will take a look at it again next week and see how things are going. It will be interesting to see the place with that much more traffic.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:52 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
THS214 wrote:
What is the situation of the new Istanbul airport?


Currently there are flights to Ankara, Izmir, Antalya, Adana, Hatay, Kayseri, Baku and Nicosia. From 10th January they will add:

Istanbul New Airport – Ashgabat 10JAN19 – 26FEB19 4 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Diyarbakir 10JAN19 – 26FEB19 3 weekly A320
Istanbul New Airport – Frankfurt 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Gaziantep 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Hatay 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 3 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Kuwait City 11JAN19 – 27FEB19 4 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – London Gatwick 04FEB19 – 28FEB19 4 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Moscow Vnukovo 11JAN19 – 27FEB19 5 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Munich 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 5 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Paris CDG 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily A321
Istanbul New Airport – Tbilisi 10JAN19 – 27FEB19 1 daily A321
Istanbul New Airport – Trabzon 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily A320

The full opening is now planned for March. I will take a look at it again next week and see how things are going. It will be interesting to see the place with that much more traffic.


Thanks!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:10 am

ist2014 wrote:
Happy new year all
Does anybody know range of TKs A321s
At the begining it was indicated as 3450 km at skylife later i saw they deployed a321 auh, dxb snd lisbon which is more so i think it is around 4000 km
Then my second question is if a321 has emough leg why is not deployed on almati, tashkent, some long mid afrucan destination and these relatively far destinations are 737 mission
I know some carriers to fly 321 for 5-6 hours, any comment

The A321 does fly to Tashkent. Almaty used to get 737s only but it now gets A330s too. Maybe the mid African destinations get 737s because TC-JYA to TC-JYJ, the first batch of 737-900ERs were ordered to specifically serve these routes. They operate other routes during their free time though.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:55 pm

Guys, what is your opinion about TK and 797. Seems tgat 797 will be 220-260 pax at a range of 8000 km.
For me male sense and a good replacement of 13 leased 332s, to be used at european trunk toutes and upguage of long midafrican and cis routes, any idea
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:11 pm

ist2014 wrote:
Guys, what is your opinion about TK and 797. Seems tgat 797 will be 220-260 pax at a range of 8000 km.
For me male sense and a good replacement of 13 leased 332s, to be used at european trunk toutes and upguage of long midafrican and cis routes, any idea


The first one will arrive in June and I can't wait for it to get here, like me many others. TK is calling it their "Dream Plane" in the todays published news.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:15 pm

HeyTK wrote:
ist2014 wrote:
Guys, what is your opinion about TK and 797. Seems tgat 797 will be 220-260 pax at a range of 8000 km.
For me male sense and a good replacement of 13 leased 332s, to be used at european trunk toutes and upguage of long midafrican and cis routes, any idea


The first one will arrive in June and I can't wait for it to get here, like me many others. TK is calling it their "Dream Plane" in the todays published news.


He's talking about the 797, NOT the 787.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:39 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
THS214 wrote:
What is the situation of the new Istanbul airport?


Currently there are flights to Ankara, Izmir, Antalya, Adana, Hatay, Kayseri, Baku and Nicosia. From 10th January they will add:

Istanbul New Airport – Ashgabat 10JAN19 – 26FEB19 4 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Diyarbakir 10JAN19 – 26FEB19 3 weekly A320
Istanbul New Airport – Frankfurt 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Gaziantep 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Hatay 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 3 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Kuwait City 11JAN19 – 27FEB19 4 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – London Gatwick 04FEB19 – 28FEB19 4 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Moscow Vnukovo 11JAN19 – 27FEB19 5 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Munich 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 5 weekly 737-800
Istanbul New Airport – Paris CDG 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily A321
Istanbul New Airport – Tbilisi 10JAN19 – 27FEB19 1 daily A321
Istanbul New Airport – Trabzon 10JAN19 – 28FEB19 1 daily A320

The full opening is now planned for March. I will take a look at it again next week and see how things are going. It will be interesting to see rthe place with that much more traffic.

Are these times for thru/connecting flights?
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:49 pm

aldrigsomandre wrote:
HeyTK wrote:
ist2014 wrote:
Guys, what is your opinion about TK and 797. Seems tgat 797 will be 220-260 pax at a range of 8000 km.
For me male sense and a good replacement of 13 leased 332s, to be used at european trunk toutes and upguage of long midafrican and cis routes, any idea


The first one will arrive in June and I can't wait for it to get here, like me many others. TK is calling it their "Dream Plane" in the todays published news.


He's talking about the 797, NOT the 787.

TK should buy the 797. Sadly, they won't be able to use it to North America. But upgauging EU/Africa will work. They should buy mostly (exclusively?) The larger model in my opinion.

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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:05 am

What about 787-10, 350-1000 and 77x
IMHO they will go for 779and 778 or 351ulr (which one earlier) for famous Sydeny wish
787-10 can fit well for lots of destinations like BKK, JFK etc
Also i am wondering where 77w will be deployed after a strong 789 and 359 fleet
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:17 pm

In the next 5 years, arrival of 25 x 789s and 25 x 359s will free up a lot of 333s.
IMHO, TK's next orders will be jets carrying 400+ pax and jets smaller/ than 738MAX.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:10 pm

I think TK should reconfigure some of these 330`s as regional fleet. Smaller galleys, no full bed business, no crew rest. They will be much lighter and cheaper to operate.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation - January 2019

Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:17 pm

TK787 wrote:
IMHO, TK's next orders will be jets carrying 400+ pax and jets smaller/ than 738MAX.


TK's A220 order hangs in the balance at the moment. Airbus is offering airframes at a higher rate than Bombardier.
Where would TK use the 400+ pax jets?

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