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United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:14 pm

Welcome to the United Fleet and Network Thread 2019 Edition. This thread is for updates on modifications to United's fleet, status of new deliveries, and discussion on routes, services, and products. This thread combines the previously separate Fleet and Network Threads.

These posts will contain updates weekly or as needed.

The lead contributor for this thread is calpsafltskeds. All information and updates below is provided by this user.

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2018 Fleet Thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382491
2018 Network Thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383689
 
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United Fleet/Configuration

Changes for January 4, 2018 - January 11, 2019

320: UA picking up 4 stored Vueling A320's built 2002-2004. 1.) EC-LQL/N2910U/DUB, 2.) EC-LRE/N4911U/BCN, 3.) EC-LQZ/N4912U/BCN, 4.) EC-LQN/N1913U/DUB. No in-service estimate.

73G: N21723 sked to enter SFO 2767/7Jan, possible conversion GUM to Domestic - N17730 exited SFO 2756/5Jan, remaining a Domestic unit

752: N14107 exited SAT 2760/8Jan with new seat covers - N67134 entered SAT 2730/8Jan for seat covers - N41135 entered SAT 2752/8Jan for new seat covers

77W: N2140U sked to exit 869/13Jan with PE - N2341U entered SFO 59/7Jan for PE - N2142U entered SFO 59/8Jan, possilble second PE mod line?


Changes for December 28, 2018 - January 4, 2019

73G: N16713 sked to exit SFO 2799/4Jan in GUM configuration - N17730 exited SFO 2756/5Jan, remaining Domestic unit

763: N585UA (Ex N592HA, ferried GYR-VCV 2703/3Jan, paint? storage?

772: N225UA sked to exit XMN 2730/1Jan with Polaris/PE - N798UA sked to enter XMN 2731/1Jan for Polaris/PE, 4 mod lines in XMN - N76010 entered AMA 2736/2Jan, first repaint since merger painting for sCO 772

78X: N12003 sked to exit IAD Induction, first revenue flight 980/2Jan


Updated on 12 JAN 2019
 
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United Fleet

WIDEBODIES (By fleet with highest Polaris percentage)

78X: 78J, Polaris/PE 44J/21PE/45E+/208Y - 3 delivered of 14 total, aircraft #1001/02/03

77W: 77T, Polaris/PE 60J/24PE/62E+/204Y - 18 units, aircraft #2131-2148 (PE #2131/35/36/37/38/39/40/48)

763ER: 76A, Polaris 30J/46E+/138Y - 13 of 14 converted, aircraft N641/42/43/44/46/47/48/49/51/54/55/56/59UA
763ER: 76N,: 3 Class obsolete, N660UA in mod to become 76A

772ER: 77E, Polaris/PE 50J/24PE/46E+/156Y - 13 of 33 pmUA converted, aircraft N204/16/23/24/25/27UA, N786/88/91/92/93/96/99UA
772ER: 77J/Q, 3 Class 8F/40J/113E+/108Y - 20 remain N206/09/17/18/19/20/21/22/26/28/29UA, N782/83/84/85/87/94/95/97/98UA

763ER: 76L, Polaris/PE 46J/33PE/47E+/52Y - 0 units (14 76C plus 3 Ex HA to be converted)
763ER: 76C, 2 Class 30J/49E+/135Y - 21 units, N664/65/66/67/68/69/70/71/72/73/74/75/76/77UA (N652/53/57/58/61/62/63UA not sked for Polaris)

772ER: 77N, Polaris 50J/24PE/46E+/156Y - 0 units (22 pmCO 77Y to be converted)
772ER: 77Y, 2 Class 50J/72E+/145Y - 22 remain, aircraft #3001-3022

764ER: 76P, 2 Class 39J/70E+/131Y - 16 units, aircraft 3051-3066, Polaris configuration & dates unknown

788: 78V, 2 Class - 36J/70E+/113Y - 12 units, aircraft 3901-3910/3912-3913, Polaris configuration & dates unknown

789: 78Z, 2 Class - 48J/88E/116Y - 25 units, aircraft 3950-3974, Polaris configuratin and dates unknown

772A: 77G, Domestic 28J/102E+/234Y - 19 units N210/11/12/13/14/15UA, N768/69/71/72/73/74/75/76/77/78/79/80/81UA

NARROWBODIES (all aircraft have slimline Y seats except Intl 752/75B)

319: 19S, 8F/42E+/78Y - 55 units, N801UA-N855UA
319: 19C, 8F/42E+/78Y - 12 units, N4888U, N890UA-N899UA (Ex CZ units)

320: 20S, 12F/42E+/96Y - 97 units, N401UA-N449UA, N451UA-N498UA
320: 20C, 12F/42E+/96Y - 2 units, aircraft 4901-4902 (Ex CZ units)

73G: 73G, 12F/36E+/78Y - 29 units, aircraft 3702-3711, 3713-3719, 3721-3722, 3724, 2727-3733, 3750 DTV
73G: 73Z, 12F/30E+/84Y - 2 units, aircraft 3723/3726 GUM operation
73G: 37R, 12F/36E+/78Y - 9 units, aircraft 3712/3720/3734/3735/3736 Ex GUM, 3751/3752/3753/3754 Ex Copa PDE only

738: 73U, 16F/42E/108Y - 5 units, aircraft 3278-3282 GUM operation
738: 73Y, 16F/54E+/96Y - 8 units, aircraft 3201/3227/3232/3235-3236/3240/3246/3249, PDE, Ex GUM
738: 73Y, 16F/54E+/96Y - 92 units, aircraft 3202-3226/3228-3231/3233-3234/3238-3239/3241-3245/3247-3248/3250-3277/3283-3299/3501-3506 DTV
738: 73Q, 16F/54E+/96Y, 12 units, aircraft 3507-3518 DTV (3507 and Up Short Field Performance, SFP)
738: 73Q, 16F/48E+/102Y - 24 units, aircraft 3519-3542 (3528 and up Sky Interior, 3532 and Up PDE only with Space Bins)

739: 73C, 20F/42E+/117Y - 12 units, aircraft 3401-3412 (non-ER)DTV
739: 73L, 20F/42E+/117Y - 72 units, 3413-3479/3895-3899 DTV(3443-3478 20F/39E+/120Y) (3465 and up PDE only)(3479/3895-3899 Space Bins)
739: 37K, 20F/42E+/117Y - 64 units, 3801-3894 PDE (3801-3810 20F/39E+/120Y)

39M: 37X, 20F/48E+/111Y - 9 delivered, 7501-7509 PDE

752: 75K, 28BF/42E+/72Y - 15 units, N502/05/10/12/18/46/68/87-90/95-98UA AVOD/PDE
752: 75B, 16BF/45E+/108Y - 41 units, 3101-3141, International AVOD/PDE

753: 75E, 24F/54E+/156Y - 21 units, aircraft 3851-3871 (3860-3871 Ex ATA)(4 units in mod #3852/55/56/70)

Special paint:
WAVE/787/737MAX fleets: RETRO/320/N475UA,739/N75435: ECO SKIES/739/N75432: NEW SPIRIT OF UNITED/77W/N2331U: STAR/73G/N13720,738/N26210/N76516,752/N14120,763/N653UA,764/N76055,772/N218UA/N794UA/N78017/N76021/N77022:
Capt. Marlon Green/738/N77518, Gordon Bethune/772/N70881, Robert F Six/772/N77006, Larry Kellner/772/N77019

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Glossary

AIRCRAFT CODES, 319, 320, 39M(MAX9), 73G(700), 738, 739, 739ER 752, 753, 763, 764, 772, 77W(300ER), 788(-8), 789(-9), 78X(-10, AKA 78J)
MAINTENANCE BASES: LCQ/Lake City FL, MIA/Mia FL, MCO/Orlando FL, HOU/Houston Hobby, IAH/Houston TX, SAT/San Antonio TX, DLH/Duluth MN, SFO/San Francisco CA, IAD/Washington Dulles VA, SEA/Seattle WA, DEN/Denver CO, HKG/Hong Kong, XMN/Xiamen China. Paint: AMA/Amarillo TX, VCV/Victorville CA, FTW/Ft Worth TX, CWF/Lake Charles Chennault LA. Storage: GYR/Goodyear AZ, VCV/Victorville CA.
AIRLINES: UA/United, CZ/China Southern & CM/Copa (sources of used aircraft now flown by UA), LH/Luthansa (Star alliance partner). UAX carriers: AX/Trans State, EV/ExpressJet, G7/GoJet, C5/Commutair, OO/Skywest, YX/Republic, YV/Mesa, ZW/Air Wisconsin

AVOD, Audio Video on Demand
BF, Business First, replaced by Polaris Business (International) and Business (Domestic)
C Check, Major Maintenance check, D Check is more extensive
Domestic, routes between US airports
E+, Economy Plus
ER, Extended range aircraft
ETOPS, Extended Twin operations over large oceans, all UA aircraft except 319/20 fleet has ETOPS
GLOBE, standard UA paint job with Globe on tail
Gogo, one of three bands of WiFi service offered by United, gogo on Domestic 757-200s
IFE , In Flight Entertainment
Induction, first arrival point of a new delivery where UA installs company materials, etc.
IPTE, 3 class pmUA international aircraft with First, Business, Economy Plus and Economy. Being replaced with Polaris
ISP, In seat power, all UA ISp is 120 volt plugs
J, Lie Flat seating on United flights - Designated Polaris Business (International) and Business (Domestic)
Lie Flat, Seats on J UA international and selected Domestic flights that offer 180 degree beds
Mod, Modifation of aircraft, usually interior seating changes on this site
OB, Overhead bins
OW, Overwater certified, some 320s are overwater certified, but do not have the capability of ETOPS aircraft
PDE, Personal Device Entertainment, where passengers can view free movies, etc. on their own devices via WiFi
PMCO, Pre merger Continental (AKA sCO for susidary Continental of the merger airline)
PMUA, Pre merger United (AKA sUA for susidary Continental of the merger airline)
Polaris, United's new lie flat all aisle access for J passengers.
PE or PP, UA's Premium Economy on selcted international aircraft
Reconfiguration, change in the aircraft's interior seating and/or lavs/galleys. Can also be called Conversions.
Retro, Paint jobs on two premerger Continental and United aircraft
Satl KA, one of three bands of WiFi service offered by United, KA offered on 737 aircraft
Satl KU, one of three bands of WiFi service offered by United, International & 319/320 aircraft have KU band WiFi
Seat Map, layout of a UA aircraft's seating arrangements
Sked, scheduled
Scimitar winglets, winglets on 737, 757, 763 aircraft (737s have upper and lower winglets) (319/320 have smaller devices called wing fences
STAR, Airline Alliance United is in, also STAR is used to indicate aircraft painted in Star paint
UAX, United Express commuter airlines that operate aircraft as UA flights
WiFi, WiFi installation on aircraft
Y, Economy service
110V, In seat power with 110 volt plugs
772A, Boeing 777-200 aircraft in Domestic configuration. Has shorter range than 772ER aircraft

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Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:39 pm

United is removing 752s since they don't meet the FAAs new fuel tank requirements right? Are they taking the oldest ones out first without the mods?
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UnitedIsBae wrote:
United is removing 752s since they don't meet the FAAs new fuel tank requirements right? Are they taking the oldest ones out first without the mods?


UA modded all of the 752s to meet the fuel tank inertion requirements. All of them should stay in service until UA sorts out/receives their replacements.
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UnitedIsBae wrote:
United is removing 752s since they don't meet the FAAs new fuel tank requirements right? Are they taking the oldest ones out first without the mods?


The 752s that are currently in the fleet have all received the mods and will be staying in the fleet for the foreseeable future. All of the 752s that were going to be removed because of the new fuel tank requirements have already been removed.
 
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Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:10 pm

Shaheen Air A319 Update

The following aircraft have all been registered to UA, FAA has all of the serial number information, etc. making this as official as it can be without a formal communication from UA. Change in ownership looks to have taken place between AerCap and UA at GYR.  All have the IAE V2524-A5 Engines

Tail Num:.....Mfr SN:.....Mfr Yr:.....FAA Registration:
N4866U.......2404.........2005........https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N4866U
N5867U.......2631.........2005........https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N5867U
N4868U.......2655.........2005........https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N4868U
N4869U.......2738.........2006........https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N4869U

We likely won't see anything formal from UA on these 4 until the Q4/FY18 earnings call sometime in February. AP-BNK and the 7 A320s appear to still be in play.

The China Southern A319s appear to all still be in service except for B-6018 which has not flown in a month. It's either in the shop for heavy maint or exit prep.
 
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Does United Airlines regret retiring the 737-500?
 
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GmoneyCO wrote:
UnitedIsBae wrote:
United is removing 752s since they don't meet the FAAs new fuel tank requirements right? Are they taking the oldest ones out first without the mods?


The 752s that are currently in the fleet have all received the mods and will be staying in the fleet for the foreseeable future. All of the 752s that were going to be removed because of the new fuel tank requirements have already been removed.

oh ok thanks
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blacksoviet wrote:
Does United Airlines regret retiring the 737-500?

I don't think so, for the same size, the -600/700s have much better fuel burn
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:41 pm

Does anyone know when UA will receive their first Max 10? Also I know the tentative configuration 20F/168(E+&Y) But does anyone have any thoughts on what the premium Transcon config may be like?
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:13 pm

Regarding aircraft with special paint, last time I flew 752- N14106 it had “Sam E Ashmore” painted on the nose. Maybe it’s been repainted, haven’t seen it for a while.
 
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Why do we use BF for BusinessFirst still?
 
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:33 pm

For United to continue its impressive growth in 2018, is the 2019 plan (mostly) rooted in all the new deliveries (both new and used) which would allow for route expansion (domestic and International) and additional frequencies?
With 14 new 78J coming, and their routes announced, what about the aircraft they will replace, does anyone have an idea of where those 763/4 & 772’s will be go?
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RockAir wrote:
Regarding aircraft with special paint, last time I flew 752- N14106 it had “Sam E Ashmore” painted on the nose. Maybe it’s been repainted, haven’t seen it for a while.


Saw it last week in DEN.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:02 am

Looking at 2018 photos after scimitar installation, I'm sure Sam E. Ashmore is still honored on N14106.

Some of the new services this summer are EWR-NAP/PRG, IAD/TLV and year around SFO-AKL. It looks like widebodies also serve DEN-OGG, EWR-LIS/MAN (unsure if LIS was a WB last summer). That looks like 6 or more added WB aircraft are needed for these flights. 78X deliveries will have 9 on the property in April with no more deliveries in 2019.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:41 am

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Why do we use BF for BusinessFirst still?


Agreed. BF as a brand hasn’t existed in over a year (has it been two years now?), and especially for the Polaris birds, you can’t even say their seat is the BF seat.

Also, I noticed that the 787s have 76V and 76Z listed as their codes.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:06 am

Yes, I know BF is gone, but what is it replaced with that has 2 characters at the most and people will know it is Polaris Business?
There are different fare codes for Polaris Business and I don't think we'd use a Fare code for designation.
"B" seems too generic
I'd like to call it "PB" for Polaris Business and match "PE" which seems to be a better name for Premium Economy than "PP" (Premium Plus)
Note that Domestic operations have F service and not business.
 
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calpsafltskeds wrote:
There are different fare codes for Polaris Business and I don't think we'd use a Fare code for designation.


Why not? We're already using Y for economy, and there are plenty more fare buckets for economy than there are for business. Y is the highest fare bucket for economy with the fewest restrictions, so why not use J for business?

Premium Plus and Economy Plus are the more murkier situations. It looks like O, A, and R are the fare buckets for Premium Plus, with O being the highest. A and R used to be deep discount business, but it looks like that's no longer the case, as both of them now book into Premium Plus on flights that have it.

Economy Plus has never been a separate fare bucket or a separate class of service, and I don't think UA is going to follow DL's lead with separating it out, so E+ or Y+ still makes a lot of sense to me.

Fare buckets for nonstop SFO-CDG in April on the 77W, in descending order on UA's website:
Available fare classes: J9 JN9 C9 D9 Z9 ZN9 P9 PN0 PZ0 IN0 I0 O9 ON9 A9 R0 RN0 Y9 YN9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 HN9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K0 G0 N9 XN9 X0

What's also interesting is that UA appears to be retiring F as a fare bucket. If you try to specify it in expert mode, it rejects it as an invalid fare bucket. J is now the highest fare bucket even on domestic narrowbody flights. United offers "First class" on domestic flights, but there's no F bucket to be found.

SFO-ORD on a 739 in April:
Available fare classes: J9 JN9 C8 D0 Z0 ZN0 P0 PN0 PZ0 IN0 I0 Y9 YN9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 HN9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L0 K0 G0 N9 XN0 X0

SFO-EWR on a 752:
Available fare classes: J9 JN9 C9 D9 Z3 ZN3 P0 PN0 PZ0 IN0 I0 Y9 YN9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 HN9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T0 L0 K0 G0 N9 XN0 X0

SFO-EUG on an E175 operated by SkyWest:
Available fare classes: J9 JN9 C9 D9 Z9 ZN9 P9 PN2 PZ1 IN0 I0 Y9 YN9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 HN9 Q9 V9 W9 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 N9 XN0 X0
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
AA AF AS AY AZ B6 BA BR DL F9 FI GA HA KF LH MI QX SK SN SQ UA US VY WN
 
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Does anyone know what is the plan for sat and Mia Mx when they finish with the 752 and 753 slimline and new seat covers? Possibly for a319/a320 used planes they are acquiring? Or is lcq still the main spot for that.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:14 pm

ointotheair, thanks for your detailed listing of fare buckets. I know that F/Y go back to to first days of jet service or before and are pretty standard to the industry regarding seating sections.
United shows it's Domestic aircraft have F/E+/Y seating sections that have been around for years.
United's International aircraft are now called, Polaris Business, Premium Plus along with coach E+ and Y seating sections. Where many of us our posting on threads and sreadsheets, abbreviations are required.
I have no problem calling Polaris Business "J" as it has become an industry used term. I've been using PE for premium economy, which seems to be the industry standard vs. UA' Premium Plus designation.
I'd be interested in what others have to say.
J for Polaris Business?
PE or PP for premium plus section?

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Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:33 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
ointotheair, thanks for your detailed listing of fare buckets. I know that F/Y go back to to first days of jet service or before and are pretty standard to the industry regarding seating sections.
United shows it's Domestic aircraft have F/E+/Y seating sections that have been around for years.
United's International aircraft are now called, Polaris Business, Premium Plus along with coach E+ and Y seating sections. Where many of us our posting on threads and sreadsheets, abbreviations are required.
I have no problem calling Polaris Business "J" as it has become an industry used term. I've been using PE for premium economy, which seems to be the industry standard vs. UA' Premium Plus designation.
I'd be interested in what others have to say.
J for Polaris Business?
PE or PP for premium plus section?


If we want to use two-character designations, what about:

JC: United Polaris (international business)
FC: United First (domestic first class)
PE: Premium Plus (international premium economy)
E+: EconomyPlus
YC: United Economy
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:58 pm

Golfmikey wrote:
Does anyone know what is the plan for sat and Mia Mx when they finish with the 752 and 753 slimline and new seat covers? Possibly for a319/a320 used planes they are acquiring? Or is lcq still the main spot for that.

LCQ has so far been the only location for the CZ craft induction work. I’m going to guess the CZ work will remain there this year as well. Craft coming from other sources is the big Q.
MIA does other work besides ( I think) seats so don’t expect any changes there. SAT is contract work so they may or may not be given other tasks later.
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:00 pm

iahcsr wrote:
Golfmikey wrote:
Does anyone know what is the plan for sat and Mia Mx when they finish with the 752 and 753 slimline and new seat covers? Possibly for a319/a320 used planes they are acquiring? Or is lcq still the main spot for that.

LCQ has so far been the only location for the CZ craft induction work. I’m going to guess the CZ work will remain there this year as well. Craft coming from other sources is the big Q.
MIA does other work besides ( I think) seats so don’t expect any changes there. SAT is contract work so they may or may not be given other tasks later.



When do the 737-800/900 get the new first? Also is there a planned refresh of the 752s. They are in really bad shape.
 
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Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:25 pm

Ok, I’m at the old upstairs United Club at EWR right now. I asked as I always do: “any news yet on a new PERMANENT United Club solution?” And this time I got 3 receptionists, in harmony answer “yes!”
“A new floor is being built on top of the first (newest concourse, like gates 130....etc) so the second UC is being planned as a new build on top of the concourse. Of course they could be misinformed, or repeating an internal rumor...but it was the way the 3 of them enthusiastically said the same thing at the same time...they seemed very happy about it.

And, I just used the restroom at the one UC upstairs and it is truly a wreck. Broken sinks, only one working, broken mirror. This club, while so many fixtures are left from the 1990’s, is not the worst, but again for such an enormous hub, it too needs more of a face lift than the one it got!
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:26 am

VC10er wrote:
Ok, I’m at the old upstairs United Club at EWR right now. I asked as I always do: “any news yet on a new PERMANENT United Club solution?” And this time I got 3 receptionists, in harmony answer “yes!”
“A new floor is being built on top of the first (newest concourse, like gates 130....etc) so the second UC is being planned as a new build on top of the concourse. Of course they could be misinformed, or repeating an internal rumor...but it was the way the 3 of them enthusiastically said the same thing at the same time...they seemed very happy about it.

And, I just used the restroom at the one UC upstairs and it is truly a wreck. Broken sinks, only one working, broken mirror. This club, while so many fixtures are left from the 1990’s, is not the worst, but again for such an enormous hub, it too needs more of a face lift than the one it got!



It could be going into the space that CO built pre-911 to be EWR sterile transit in C3. It has been sitting empty for years
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:33 am

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Does anyone know what is the plan for sat and Mia Mx when they finish with the 752 and 753 slimline and new seat covers? Possibly for a319/a320 used planes they are acquiring? Or is lcq still the main spot for that.

They are all outsourced contract facilities. So they will either bid on new work or move on.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:38 am

tpaewr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Ok, I’m at the old upstairs United Club at EWR right now. I asked as I always do: “any news yet on a new PERMANENT United Club solution?” And this time I got 3 receptionists, in harmony answer “yes!”
“A new floor is being built on top of the first (newest concourse, like gates 130....etc) so the second UC is being planned as a new build on top of the concourse. Of course they could be misinformed, or repeating an internal rumor...but it was the way the 3 of them enthusiastically said the same thing at the same time...they seemed very happy about it.

And, I just used the restroom at the one UC upstairs and it is truly a wreck. Broken sinks, only one working, broken mirror. This club, while so many fixtures are left from the 1990’s, is not the worst, but again for such an enormous hub, it too needs more of a face lift than the one it got!



It could be going into the space that CO built pre-911 to be EWR sterile transit in C3. It has been sitting empty for years


Really? I’m not familiar with that at all. Is it on the roof of that concourse? If built out with lots of windows it will be awesome to plane watch, perhaps great views of NYC and Statue of Liberty...if they put in telescopes too THAT would be a very cool touch!
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:01 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
Golfmikey wrote:
Does anyone know what is the plan for sat and Mia Mx when they finish with the 752 and 753 slimline and new seat covers? Possibly for a319/a320 used planes they are acquiring? Or is lcq still the main spot for that.

LCQ has so far been the only location for the CZ craft induction work. I’m going to guess the CZ work will remain there this year as well. Craft coming from other sources is the big Q.
MIA does other work besides ( I think) seats so don’t expect any changes there. SAT is contract work so they may or may not be given other tasks later.



When do the 737-800/900 get the new first? Also is there a planned refresh of the 752s. They are in really bad shape.


I believe this will happen once the DirecTV contract ends (which is unfortunate from my point of view, but some people don't like it, so yeah)
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:04 am

OK, the Fleet Site now shows the following classes for seating arrangements:

International - J/Polaris Business, PE/Premium Plus, E+/Economy Plus, Y/Economy
Domestic - F/First Class, E+/Economy Plus, Y/Economy

Note: Per United's website, if a Domestic flight is operated with lie flat seats, the seats are designated J/Business. This includes 15 former ps 752 units, 41 International 752s when operating Domestic and 772A units on Domestic, Hawaii and even HNL-GUM (Domestic flight)
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:40 pm

I am not a fan of the fleet and network threads being combined...
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:07 pm

United787 wrote:
I am not a fan of the fleet and network threads being combined...


I think the fleet thread makes sense because it keeps pace with several ongoing, long-term projects as well as minor fleet-related activity (lease buybacks, small-scale used aircraft purchases, one-off events, etc.) that isn't worthy of its own thread. Major announcements (significant reconfiguration programs, large orders) are thread-worthy, IMO.

For the network, the weekly OAG thread is good for frequency adjustments and market add/drops. Larger announcements should still be valid topics for independent threads. I think the network thread is useful for discussion of network plans, but a bit redundant for reporting of actual schedule/network changes.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:34 pm

United787 wrote:
I am not a fan of the fleet and network threads being combined...

There was a significant amount of crossover among the two discussions. This centralizes the discussion into being more-or-less anything UA. The whole purpose of these general topic threads is to limit duplication of the same discussions. We'll potentially do the same with the DL threads if the updates we're doing at the top of this thread prove to be a popular feature for users.

If this thread becomes too lengthy, it may be split into a first half/second half 2019.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:52 pm

United themselves posted a few images from the 787-8/9/10 photo shoot at LAX that I shared last month.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:09 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
United787 wrote:
I am not a fan of the fleet and network threads being combined...

There was a significant amount of crossover among the two discussions. This centralizes the discussion into being more-or-less anything UA. The whole purpose of these general topic threads is to limit duplication of the same discussions. We'll potentially do the same with the DL threads if the updates we're doing at the top of this thread prove to be a popular feature for users.

If this thread becomes too lengthy, it may be split into a first half/second half 2019.

I have to agree that I think they should be separate. There maybe some crossover, but I feel like one of the largest airlines in the world that constantly has changes to both its fleet and its network are worthy of 2 discussions. Plus, discussions about networks must constantly be about rumors, and the fleet has much discussion about changes known with concrete facts.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:29 pm

Wow, I hadn't known the Network thread even existed until a few weeks ago. I see a lot of familiar handles watching both threads.
FYI, Network thread had 602 lively posts for 2018 vs. something like 2600 posts for the fleet thread. These is some crossover on these threads and I would think anyone interested in either would be happy to see what discussions are going on with the other and can learn something and/or enlighten others. Additionally, it would seem the combined thread will have almost daily or more posts instead of gaps between posts.
This year's fleet info is posted at the top of the thread and will be updated weekly if things change. As such, there may be less questioning about fleet issues vs. previous. I welcome the combined thread and see the synergy between both will improve discussion, IMHO.
But, as atcsundevil has posted and set up, this is an attempt to improve information and dialogue that may be an example to improve ANet forums. I hope we can all give it a go for a while before splinting it up.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:44 pm

As a network discussion topic, I would like to know UA's strategy with placing 752's on a lot of transcon routes this year out of EWR/IAD. Specifically stations like PHX/SEA/SAN/LAS-EWR/IAD. I wonder if this will stay year round to maybe compete with jetBlue Mint.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:51 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
As a network discussion topic, I would like to know UA's strategy with placing 752's on a lot of transcon routes this year out of EWR/IAD. Specifically stations like PHX/SEA/SAN/LAS-EWR/IAD. I wonder if this will stay year round to maybe compete with jetBlue Mint.


The 767s are taking over the former 757 transatlantic routes, so they're going on the high traffic domestic routes now. It competes with mint.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:38 pm

VC10er wrote:
tpaewr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Ok, I’m at the old upstairs United Club at EWR right now. I asked as I always do: “any news yet on a new PERMANENT United Club solution?” And this time I got 3 receptionists, in harmony answer “yes!”
“A new floor is being built on top of the first (newest concourse, like gates 130....etc) so the second UC is being planned as a new build on top of the concourse. Of course they could be misinformed, or repeating an internal rumor...but it was the way the 3 of them enthusiastically said the same thing at the same time...they seemed very happy about it.

And, I just used the restroom at the one UC upstairs and it is truly a wreck. Broken sinks, only one working, broken mirror. This club, while so many fixtures are left from the 1990’s, is not the worst, but again for such an enormous hub, it too needs more of a face lift than the one it got!



It could be going into the space that CO built pre-911 to be EWR sterile transit in C3. It has been sitting empty for years


Really? I’m not familiar with that at all. Is it on the roof of that concourse? If built out with lots of windows it will be awesome to plane watch, perhaps great views of NYC and Statue of Liberty...if they put in telescopes too THAT would be a very cool touch!




I am not in EWR as much as I used to be. But it is a larger space at the far end of C3 above the food court area. You can kinda see it when you deplane from an inbound intl flight and head to FIS.

I mostly just see IAH & ORD now days so I can only assume it is still just sitting up there vacate. It should be a good amount of space as CO had planned on it being a piece of EWR “Global Gateway” if I recall the branding right.

That, the noise about EWR-HKG being the longest flight in the world (at the time), all was lost in the aftermath of 9/11
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:02 am

tpaewr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
tpaewr wrote:


It could be going into the space that CO built pre-911 to be EWR sterile transit in C3. It has been sitting empty for years


Really? I’m not familiar with that at all. Is it on the roof of that concourse? If built out with lots of windows it will be awesome to plane watch, perhaps great views of NYC and Statue of Liberty...if they put in telescopes too THAT would be a very cool touch!




I am not in EWR as much as I used to be. But it is a larger space at the far end of C3 above the food court area. You can kinda see it when you deplane from an inbound intl flight and head to FIS.

I mostly just see IAH & ORD now days so I can only assume it is still just sitting up there vacate. It should be a good amount of space as CO had planned on it being a piece of EWR “Global Gateway” if I recall the branding right.

That, the noise about EWR-HKG being the longest flight in the world (at the time), all was lost in the aftermath of 9/11


Thanks! I will try and catch a glimpse of it. It’s odd, since the Polaris Lounge opened (and IMHO I have been really impressed with it so far) I figured in my head “the only way to solve the overcrowding at the one remaining UC would have to be building above another concourse!” - I had asked so many times when I was at either lounge “so...what’s the plan?” But the reps kept saying “they haven’t told us yet”(and BTW they were ALWAYS really nice, never snarky or dismissive) but they all did agree that the current situation with the “pop-up” Clubs was undoing all the good stuff about TC, and were hoping to hear good news- and soon. This time finally they seemed very pumped about it.
I gotta assume that UA must simply have their hands full...Oscar (I would assume) is pushing through a lot of changes and across the system. There is probably only so much that can be done in a year, each “thing” feels so slow sometimes.
BUT, I think I’ll modify the old expression to “Well, Terminal C wasn’t built in a day!”
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:16 am

763:
N686UA, former N592UA ferried GYR-VCV 2703/3Jan. Storage or Paint?

772:
N76010 entered AMA paint 2736/2Jan, first pmCO repaint in years.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:54 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N686UA, former N592UA ferried GYR-VCV 2703/3Jan. Storage or Paint?

772:
N76010 entered AMA paint 2736/2Jan, first pmCO repaint in years.

I would guess paint... can’t see any reason to move it storage to storage... It’s still operating with the N592HA Reg. as well.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:43 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N686UA, former N592UA ferried GYR-VCV 2703/3Jan. Storage or Paint?

772:
N76010 entered AMA paint 2736/2Jan, first pmCO repaint in years.



Thank God! So much of the sCO fleet looks and feels like it hasn’t been touched since the merger. The 752 are likely the worst. But I flew a sCO 777 HKG-EWR last year and it was peeling paint inside and out. Clearly nothing had been done for it in years. I would love to see these plane get the TLC the 763 I flew with Polaris had. Beautiful nose to tail.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:13 am

[quothete="blacksoviet"]Does United Airlines regret retiring the 737-500?[/quote]
No, since the A319's have more than acquitted themselves in the role the B737-522's played
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:32 pm

73G:
N16713 sked to exit SFO 2799/4Jan in GUM configuration. Now GUM has 3 73Gs. Usually 3 or 4 units in GUM and N17730 in SFO now could be the 4th 73G to replace a couple units that were moved back to Domestic service for corrosion prevention.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:49 pm

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[quothete="blacksoviet"]Does United Airlines regret retiring the 737-500?

No, since the A319's have more than acquitted themselves in the role the B737-522's played[/quote]

It likely would have had to as Max’s came online. I remember Southwest was unable to operate he classic, NG, and Max simultaneously without having a separate pilot group for either the classic or the Max. I’m sure UA would have found them in the same situation.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:14 pm

tpaewr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
763:
N686UA, former N592UA ferried GYR-VCV 2703/3Jan. Storage or Paint?

772:
N76010 entered AMA paint 2736/2Jan, first pmCO repaint in years.



Thank God! So much of the sCO fleet looks and feels like it hasn’t been touched since the merger. The 752 are likely the worst. But I flew a sCO 777 HKG-EWR last year and it was peeling paint inside and out. Clearly nothing had been done for it in years. I would love to see these plane get the TLC the 763 I flew with Polaris had. Beautiful nose to tail.

It is good to see more attention being paid there. Since the merger, an attitude of sCO planes were ahead of the sUA planes led to all attention being paid to sUA. Obviously, sUA planes needed more dramatic paint changes, and the newly merged airline adopted more of sCO's onboard products, but now that Polaris has replaced the Diamond's going forward, in the future I see the fleets being treated as more like one fleet.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:19 pm

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