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Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:24 pm

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It now shows PE and is enroute to HKG. I guess they installed the seats at the departure gate at the last minute. :lol:
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:31 am

United confirmed adding an additional row of First Class on A319 and A320 fleets.

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A320 - 16/39/95



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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:32 am

Also the first route of high premium config 767-300ER will be EWR-LHR.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:34 am

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ual- ... SKCN1PV0BF

Looks like United will keep the GoJet CRJ-700s but bring them down to 50 seats to comply with scope, creating the new CRJ-550 variant.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:36 am

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Looks like United will keep the GoJet CRJ-700s but bring them down to 50 seats to comply with scope, creating the new CRJ-550 variant.


Yes has its own thread with additional details >>>

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:26 pm

There's also a few additional interesting changes on United's own official Polaris tracker in its most recent update (https://view.ceros.com/united/polaris-tracker-desktop-4/p/3):

1) It shows 13/38 767-300ER's with 2 in progress. This seems to imply that the 7 1991-1993 frames originally slated for retirement are now also going to be retrofitted since without them there would only be 31 frames including the currently parked exHA ones. The question now would be whether those 7 frames will be configured into 30J as per all the other already retrofitted 1991-1993 frames or if they will join the 1998-2001 frames slated for the 46J configuration.

This seems to also be supported in UA's press release today (https://hub.united.com/united-more-premium-seats-aircraft-2628095340.html). It says 21 767-300ER's are going to be converted from the 30J the the 46J configuration. Since it the illustration in the press release implies it is a "conversion" from a 30J configuration, presumably that number does not include the 3 HA frames that are not in a 30J configuration to begin with, and probably also does not include the 14 30J Polaris frames since converting 7 of those will leave a subfleet of just 7 30J Polaris frames which is far too small of a subfleet to be efficiently utilized when one spare needs to be ready at all times. The result is that there are exactly 21 (=38-3-14) frames in the old 30J non-Polaris configuration, including the 7 that were originally planned to be retired.

2) It shows 15/51 777-200ER's with 4 in progress. The "out of 51" part is interesting because there are a total of 55 777-200ER's in UA's fleet, 33 pmUA and 22 pmCO. Does this mean that 4 frames are scheduled for imminent retirement?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:42 pm

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Also the first route of high premium config 767-300ER will be EWR-LHR.


Any idea of the timeframe or what flight #?
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:08 pm

When you think mods are being done and the fleet is operating, another mod program is coming.

Looking at DL and UA seat maps, it appears there's room to do these changes, but not sure where the room on UA aircraft comes from. (DL has 36 inch pitch in F)

319 now 8/42/78. To become 12/36/78. Trading a row of E+ for F - F is currently 37 inch pitch, E+ 34 inch, which is minimum on 737 fleet. 3 inches for the trade has to come from somewhere. F at 36 inches, a divider change or front divider removed would make it work.

320 now 12/42/96. To become 16/39/95. There's an extra closet shown and seat total stays at 150. F is currently 39 inch pitch, E+ at 35 inch. If F goes to 36 and E+ to 34, that's 15 extra inches.
On the right side the 15 inches would have to make up the closet and difference between a E+ row at 34 and F row at 37. Divider change, front divider removed or 12 inch closet?
On the left side a row of F would be added and that can't happen with 15 inches unless the divider or front divider is changed/removed.
Y has a seat removed, assume a blocked seat to keep configuration at 150 total?

As for the CRJ700, this change allows UA to add the 25 ERJ175SC units on the way and retain the to be retired CRJ700s (and add 25 more). I can't imagine new CRJ700s would be purchased to make this work.
UA must be looking at the profit potential of 50 seat aircraft with F seats/carry on baggage capability vs. ERJ145/CRJ200 50Y seat aircraft. UA must think the cost of operating the CRJ550 vs. ERJ145/CRJ200 should be offset by the F revenue.

Of course this could be a play to have the pilots negotiate, but if this is a profitable proposal, why would the pilots budge?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:48 pm

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Also the first route of high premium config 767-300ER will be EWR-LHR.


What a surprise! :duck:

Right now the 4 afternoon EWR-LHR flights are all showing as operated by the 763 this summer (the AM flight is a 764). Any word on whether all 4 will be the high-J configuration?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:12 pm

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Of course this could be a play to have the pilots negotiate, but if this is a profitable proposal, why would the pilots budge?


This suggests to me that the company doesn't expect to get scope relief any time soon, rightfully so, and instead is proceeding with contingency plans.

There's no way operating an aircraft with ~30% fewer seats (see also E175SC) than usual is a desirable scenario.

The company realizes it is at a competitive disadvantage with the existing large 50-seater fleet and needs to do something within the current parameters of the UPA scope clause to address it. It's not a power move.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:20 pm

Couldn't UA just bring in 70-seaters and 100-seaters as mainline as part of the current scope?
 
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:45 pm

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calpsafltskeds wrote:
Of course this could be a play to have the pilots negotiate, but if this is a profitable proposal, why would the pilots budge?


This suggests to me that the company doesn't expect to get scope relief any time soon, rightfully so, and instead is proceeding with contingency plans.

There's no way operating an aircraft with ~30% fewer seats (see also E175SC) than usual is a desirable scenario.

The company realizes it is at a competitive disadvantage with the existing large 50-seater fleet and needs to do something within the current parameters of the UPA scope clause to address it. It's not a power move.

I think it indicates the opposite. I think they expect to get scope relief, they just don't know if they're going to get it by the time the new 70 seat E175's arrive. If they thought they weren't going to be able to expand the seating back to 70, or the E175's up to 76, I don't think they would make the moves that they are making. A CRJ-700 with 50 seats just doesn't seem like it could be economical, even with some extra F revenue. I only have Premier Silver, but the routes I always get upgraded are CRJ-700's and E175's, so there can't be as many paid upgrades on those planes.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:48 pm

LAXintl wrote:
United confirmed adding an additional row of First Class on A319 and A320 fleets.

New Configs:

A319 - 12/36/78
A320 - 16/39/95



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It is about time. It's crazy that the A319's have always had a row less F than the 73G's. A320's are smaller than 738's, but I've always thought 16 F made more sense as well. UA has made a real commitment to premium classes, and with their increase in Intl J seats, they need domestic F seats for connections. Here's hoping the combination will open up a few more J seats for reward tickets, because UA has been criminally stingy with J rewards for a few years now.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:36 pm

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I think it indicates the opposite. I think they expect to get scope relief, they just don't know if they're going to get it by the time the new 70 seat E175's arrive. If they thought they weren't going to be able to expand the seating back to 70, or the E175's up to 76, I don't think they would make the moves that they are making. A CRJ-700 with 50 seats just doesn't seem like it could be economical, even with some extra F revenue. I only have Premier Silver, but the routes I always get upgraded are CRJ-700's and E175's, so there can't be as many paid upgrades on those planes.


If you talk to any of pilots close to the NC, the overwhelming sentiment is that the company significantly overestimated the willingness of this pilot group to concede on scope, which is currently nil. I can't foresee United's pilots giving up an inch of scope, nor should they. There's already a mechanism in the contract to trigger allowance of more 76-seaters (at optimized capacity) rather than develop compliant derivatives which operate at a revenue and cost deficit.

Still, it's favorable to more 50-seaters, which customers hate and management readily acknowledges costs United premium business. In my view, this move prepares United to quickly reconfigure to more profitable arrangements should the dynamic change, but for now, they are willing to deploy a suboptimal platform rather than risk continuing to lose the business.
 
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414#. I disagree--over paid and underworked- by any standard
 
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414#. I disagree--over paid and underworked- by any standard


I don't follow... the pilots are overpaid and underworked?

I'm not going there...
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:32 am

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414#. I disagree--over paid and underworked- by any standard


So what would you consider fair pay and fair work?
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:48 am

Let's please keep this thread on topic. Debates over scope clauses are best left to a dedicated thread in the Tech Ops Forum. If one does not exist, I would recommend someone creating a new thread to have that discussion.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:29 pm

Looking at the current 66 seat maps on CR7's, I would guess that the Emergency exit row would be Y+, because there are 5 rows behind that, so that would leave 4 rows of Y+ in front of the exit. if the first row of F 2 seats are made into this snack bar, they can add 2 rows of 3 F seats behind the current section. That still means 3 rows of Y+ removed (4 on the 70 seat versions), so 100-110" to spread between 5 rows of Y+ and 4 rows of F. Those Y+ seats are going to have more legroom than 737 F seats! Maybe they should add a mid-cabin lav :lol:

CRJ 550's are going to be comfortable for sure, but probably only 1 in 4 rows is going to have a correctly aligned window.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:47 pm

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Looking at the current 66 seat maps on CR7's, I would guess that the Emergency exit row would be Y+, because there are 5 rows behind that, so that would leave 4 rows of Y+ in front of the exit. if the first row of F 2 seats are made into this snack bar, they can add 2 rows of 3 F seats behind the current section. That still means 3 rows of Y+ removed (4 on the 70 seat versions), so 100-110" to spread between 5 rows of Y+ and 4 rows of F. Those Y+ seats are going to have more legroom than 737 F seats! Maybe they should add a mid-cabin lav :lol:

CRJ 550's are going to be comfortable for sure, but probably only 1 in 4 rows is going to have a correctly aligned window.

Nevermind, answered my own question. https://www.facebook.com/United/videos/381190192666337/ Just a bunch of storage. Well that would at least mean no gate check luggage...on just one variety of regional jet. I can't figure out if that video was actually made by UA, because if so, they have really cut their budget for marketing. That is not professional.
 
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Regarding the CRJ550, the aircraft will definitely be a different version of the CRJ70 as the MTOW will be reduced from 75,000 lbs to 565,000 lbs to match scope clause maximums.

If we assume total weight of seats/baggage lockers are the same for both versions, a full pax load of 20 fewer seats would save about 4,000 lbs. of weight at 200 per pax (include bags).

That would mean the CRJ550 at 100% load factor would have a 6,000 lb. lower TOW than a CRJ700 with 100% load factor on a similar route.

If the 6,000 lb shortage is taken out of fuel, it would drop max fuel from about 20,000 lbs. to 14,000 lbs.

How will this affect range and freight payload? Wiki says the CRJ700 has a range of 1300+NM. My guess is a two hour range, which might be fine for ORD service and EWR/IAD-Midwest/Southeast service.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:59 pm

DEN hub rebanking changes start rolling out on Feb 14th.

Here is image of pre/post rebank hub waves.

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:09 pm

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Regarding the CRJ550, the aircraft will definitely be a different version of the CRJ70 as the MTOW will be reduced from 75,000 lbs to 565,000 lbs to match scope clause maximums.

If we assume total weight of seats/baggage lockers are the same for both versions, a full pax load of 20 fewer seats would save about 4,000 lbs. of weight at 200 per pax (include bags).

That would mean the CRJ550 at 100% load factor would have a 6,000 lb. lower TOW than a CRJ700 with 100% load factor on a similar route.

If the 6,000 lb shortage is taken out of fuel, it would drop max fuel from about 20,000 lbs. to 14,000 lbs.

How will this affect range and freight payload? Wiki says the CRJ700 has a range of 1300+NM. My guess is a two hour range, which might be fine for ORD service and EWR/IAD-Midwest/Southeast service.



To answer your question about freight payload United does not carry freight or mail on United Express Aircraft. There may be the occasional Quick Pac or AOG but usually UAX flights are normally passenger and bags. According to the press release UA is restricting the CRJ550 to 900 miles this is probably do to the fact you already pointed out that max fuel will drop from 20,000 lbs to 14,000 lbs.
 
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:55 pm

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DEN hub rebanking changes start rolling out on Feb 14th.

Here is image of pre/post rebank hub waves.

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Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:02 pm

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DEN hub rebanking changes start rolling out on Feb 14th.

Here is image of pre/post rebank hub waves.

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It was like you read my mind. I came here just to look for this information. This explains why my DEN-ELP-DEN flight times have moved to more undesirable times. Is the 14th the official start day of the spring schedule?
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:03 am

Both LAX and IAH to SYD will get trim for Northern Summer season eff March 29 till end of Oct.

LAX-SYD becomes 3x weekly, and IAH-SYD 4x weekly.

Ultimately frees up two frames do to something else with in the summer.
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:39 am

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Both LAX and IAH to SYD will get trim for Northern Summer season eff March 29 till end of Oct.

LAX-SYD becomes 3x weekly, and IAH-SYD 4x weekly.

Ultimately frees up two frames do to something else with in the summer.

I wonder what else they've got planned with these two frames...

Kind of a dumb question, but do U.S.-Australia flights generally perform better in the winter or the summer? It would seem to me that LAX/IAH to SYD would perform better in the summer months, but I may be completely off base with that assumption...
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:01 am

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Both LAX and IAH to SYD will get trim for Northern Summer season eff March 29 till end of Oct.

LAX-SYD becomes 3x weekly, and IAH-SYD 4x weekly.

Ultimately frees up two frames do to something else with in the summer.

So MEL stays at daily with SYD less?
Seems funny to keep IAH at a higher frequency than LAX.
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:15 am

Wow on LAX-SYD getting a seasonal cut. Is this the first time the route have been trimmed seasonally? Dont recall it happening before.

Guess AA & DL will be happy.

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Kind of a dumb question, but do U.S.-Australia flights generally perform better in the winter or the summer? It would seem to me that LAX/IAH to SYD would perform better in the summer months, but I may be completely off base with that assumption...


Northern winter is when Australia/NZ traffic peaks (same with South America)
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:22 am

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LAXintl wrote:
Both LAX and IAH to SYD will get trim for Northern Summer season eff March 29 till end of Oct.

LAX-SYD becomes 3x weekly, and IAH-SYD 4x weekly.

Ultimately frees up two frames do to something else with in the summer.

I wonder what else they've got planned with these two frames...

Kind of a dumb question, but do U.S.-Australia flights generally perform better in the winter or the summer? It would seem to me that LAX/IAH to SYD would perform better in the summer months, but I may be completely off base with that assumption...


It’s the opposite.

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LAXintl wrote:
Both LAX and IAH to SYD will get trim for Northern Summer season eff March 29 till end of Oct.

LAX-SYD becomes 3x weekly, and IAH-SYD 4x weekly.

Ultimately frees up two frames do to something else with in the summer.

So MEL stays at daily with SYD less?
Seems funny to keep IAH at a higher frequency than LAX.

IAH has better loads
 
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DEN hub rebanking changes start rolling out on Feb 14th.

Here is image of pre/post rebank hub waves.

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That noon bank has no shoulders, is that a more regional oriented (+/- 750 mi) bank?

Very crazy to see peaking means 60 departures an hour but I guess it’s constrained by the number of gates.

I’d assume ORD is similar. Will have to run IAH tomorrow—there really aren’t gate constraints here (for UA at least).
 
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:21 am

cosyr wrote:
Looking at the current 66 seat maps on CR7's, I would guess that the Emergency exit row would be Y+, because there are 5 rows behind that, so that would leave 4 rows of Y+ in front of the exit. if the first row of F 2 seats are made into this snack bar, they can add 2 rows of 3 F seats behind the current section. That still means 3 rows of Y+ removed (4 on the 70 seat versions), so 100-110" to spread between 5 rows of Y+ and 4 rows of F. Those Y+ seats are going to have more legroom than 737 F seats! Maybe they should add a mid-cabin lav :lol:

CRJ 550's are going to be comfortable for sure, but probably only 1 in 4 rows is going to have a correctly aligned window.


Off-topic question: do the -700/900/1000 use the identical window and fuselage parts of an CL-600 from around 1980? Doubtful.
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I really wonder, when the day comes, if there will be a sub-fleet of high-premium 789’s ala the 21 767s?
I who know nothing, would believe that there should be for SYD/MEL & SIN at least if not some other Asia destinations also. Maybe for SFO to LHR or other European high paying biz travel markets.
I also think that there should be a larger PE section as some people will actually pay for that upgrade on very long routes. Those who cannot afford full fare Polaris, but willing to pay more for PE.
Or, has this been announced yet and I missed it- have any 789 configurations been released?
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:31 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Looking at the current 66 seat maps on CR7's, I would guess that the Emergency exit row would be Y+, because there are 5 rows behind that, so that would leave 4 rows of Y+ in front of the exit. if the first row of F 2 seats are made into this snack bar, they can add 2 rows of 3 F seats behind the current section. That still means 3 rows of Y+ removed (4 on the 70 seat versions), so 100-110" to spread between 5 rows of Y+ and 4 rows of F. Those Y+ seats are going to have more legroom than 737 F seats! Maybe they should add a mid-cabin lav :lol:

CRJ 550's are going to be comfortable for sure, but probably only 1 in 4 rows is going to have a correctly aligned window.


Off-topic question: do the -700/900/1000 use the identical window and fuselage parts of an CL-600 from around 1980? Doubtful.

They definitely do not share. The 700-1000 windows were enlarged slightly, and raised up compared with the 100/200 CRJ's. From the outside you can see clearly the windows on a CR2 are lower than the cockpit windows and the window on the emergency wing exit is centered on the door top to bottom. On the CR7/9's the windows are much higher compared with both reference points. This is the #1 reason most passengers find the larger CRJ's more comfortable. Obviously, larger overhead bins and F class help as well.
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:01 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Both LAX and IAH to SYD will get trim for Northern Summer season eff March 29 till end of Oct.

LAX-SYD becomes 3x weekly, and IAH-SYD 4x weekly.

Ultimately frees up two frames do to something else with in the summer.

So MEL stays at daily with SYD less?
Seems funny to keep IAH at a higher frequency than LAX.


I just did a few dummy bookings on all airlines flying LAX-SYD during the slow season and I found fares ranging between $300 - $400 dollars one way taxes included. Airfares from IAH during the same time period was a bit higher. Like I stated in another thread QF is now down to one flight on this route and AA downguaged their flight from a 77W to a 789. Everyone is probably loosing money on LAX-SYD during the northern hemispheres spring/summer season because airfares are so low.

Also with the LAX reduction we now know where the 789 for SFO-AMS is coming from especially since UA isn't slated to take delivery of any more 789s till 2020. However since SFO-AMS is year around UA will still need to find a 789 to operate this route come October when both LAX and IAH-SYD resume daily operations. Perhaps the frame will come from the SFO-MUC flight, but Polaris installations for the 787-8/9s start this fall as well. It will be interesting to see what our fall/winter schedule looks like in terms of shuffling around the entire 787 fleet to accommodate Polaris installation and new flights which will include SFO-MEL and DEL both on 789's. Personally I think some 787-10s will find their way to SFO and perhaps even LAX to cover some TATL 789 routes for the 2019 fall/winter season.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:40 pm

The fleet changes and fleet status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:04 pm

FA9295 wrote:
I wonder what else they've got planned with these two frames...


I read on another board that one of the IAH-LHR flights will become a 787 daily, thus freeing a 772 to do something (IAD-TLV?).
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:48 pm

While it’s doubtful that there are enough frames, one of the two LHR-IAH turns would be a good fit for the 76L configuration. Seems economy class is often empty but businsss is full.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:53 pm

When will the 76L be loaded into the EWR>LHR schedule? Planes due to be released in Feb from mod.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:35 pm

cosyr wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Looking at the current 66 seat maps on CR7's, I would guess that the Emergency exit row would be Y+, because there are 5 rows behind that, so that would leave 4 rows of Y+ in front of the exit. if the first row of F 2 seats are made into this snack bar, they can add 2 rows of 3 F seats behind the current section. That still means 3 rows of Y+ removed (4 on the 70 seat versions), so 100-110" to spread between 5 rows of Y+ and 4 rows of F. Those Y+ seats are going to have more legroom than 737 F seats! Maybe they should add a mid-cabin lav :lol:

CRJ 550's are going to be comfortable for sure, but probably only 1 in 4 rows is going to have a correctly aligned window.


Off-topic question: do the -700/900/1000 use the identical window and fuselage parts of an CL-600 from around 1980? Doubtful.

They definitely do not share. The 700-1000 windows were enlarged slightly, and raised up compared with the 100/200 CRJ's. From the outside you can see clearly the windows on a CR2 are lower than the cockpit windows and the window on the emergency wing exit is centered on the door top to bottom. On the CR7/9's the windows are much higher compared with both reference points. This is the #1 reason most passengers find the larger CRJ's more comfortable. Obviously, larger overhead bins and F class help as well.


The floor was also lowered on the 700/900/1000 so that the seats are a little wider at butt level. Having flown more than enough CRJs in the last few years, I can assure you that the 700/900s are a million times better than the 200s all because of those subtle changes. The new generation cabin 900s that some Delta Connection carriers have really aren’t a bad ride at all.
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:33 pm

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Couldn't UA just bring in 70-seaters and 100-seaters as mainline as part of the current scope?

UAlpa has proposed flying 100 seaters to aallow for larger UAX airplanes (which the company rejected) They know once the UALPA pilots fly the larger regional airplanes? They'll propose bringing in ALL the regional airplanes (and Pilots) on board. The company might be gullible, But they're NOT stupid. They can see a takeover plan in mind. Hell! I can see a takeover plan in the Plot and Scheme!
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:40 pm

Just like we see managements scheme to bring 100 seaters to regionals, which is why Scope will not be changed. Delta does just fine with 100 seaters at mainline no reason United can’t also.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:59 am

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Just like we see managements scheme to bring 100 seaters to regionals, which is why Scope will not be changed. Delta does just fine with 100 seaters at mainline no reason United can’t also.


Unfortunately, that is not fair for many reasons.
First, DL just starter to fly the 100-seater in the past couple days. I don't think they even know if it work.
They have run the numbers and think it will. hence they made a HUGE bet on them.

But that bet does not mean it would work for everyone.
If UA had the same fortress hubs that DL has that need large feed
If UA did not have LCC or a US3 majors at just every hub (or city or both) at most hubs maybe it will work for UA.
If UA and DL had the same stage-length need maybe it would be matter.
(I am sure I am missing many other points here that are relevant facts.)

As much as we want to say that all of US-3 are same and hence what works for one will work for the other, that is not true.
There are structural differences between DL, UA and AA that make them different from each other.
It is in those differences that just maybe is the reason why the 100-seater would not work for UA but does for DL.

I would also point out that AA is not running to make the same decision as DL here.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:16 am

ordbosewr wrote:
UA777FO wrote:
Just like we see managements scheme to bring 100 seaters to regionals, which is why Scope will not be changed. Delta does just fine with 100 seaters at mainline no reason United can’t also.


Unfortunately, that is not fair for many reasons.
First, DL just starter to fly the 100-seater in the past couple days. I don't think they even know if it work.
They have run the numbers and think it will. hence they made a HUGE bet on them.


Delta has been flying the ex-FL MD-95 since 2014 and they haven't had a problem with it at all. In fact they've bought a lot of MD-95s from other operators. It fills a niche in DL's fleet that is too big for the CRJ-900 and ERJ-174 but too small for the A319 and 73G.
To me, it will always be:
- Bombardier CSeries
- Airbus A321neoLR and A321neoXLR
- EMBRACER ERJ-170, ERJ-175, ERJ-190, and ERJ-195
- MITSUBUSHI MRJ

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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:57 am

Looks like United is trying to build a two bay 737 hangar in Tampa

https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/ne ... ty-at.html
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:41 am

39M:
N47512 exited SEA Induction 2745/9Feb - no first revenue flight shown yet.

Looks like there's lots of room on the east side of the TPA airport.

DL flies the CJR900 and UA doesn't - in what ways are scope different to allow the CRJ900 at DL but not at UA?

Just wondering if the MD95 flown by UA mainline crews would allow UA to bring in more 75 seat aircraft? I don't think so. Kind of like UA buying 100+ new 737MAX and 40 used Airbus 319/320 and 737s.

How is this fair that while UA adds new and used mainline aircraft, only some aircraft types qualify to allow more larger express aircraft and not even on a 1 to 1 basis?
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:12 am

The Md95 is the 717 so if UA ordered the 717 then the could have more 76 seaters. And I believe Delta’ CRJ900 are configured to only 76 seats which falls into their scope clause.

The reason 737 max’s or A320’s don’t count is because at the time of our contract our scope was written to mirror Deltas and seeing both UA and Cal’s pre merger contract didn’t allow any 76 seaters and Delta just ordered the 717’s the new 100 seater clause was written in so The new UA could have the new larger RJ’s.

The United pilots want the outsourcing to stop at 76 seats. And we maybe structurally different then Delta but our pilot costs are the same, it’s up to management to compete with the pilot contract that they signed, with scope they agreed too. Right now that is with 70 seaters flying as 50 seaters and 76 seaters flying as seaters. Which is probably not going to workout as well as if they would just but e195’s or A220’s for mainline, but Kirby want to be able to outsource as much as he can so here we are.
 
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Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:21 pm

UA777FO wrote:
our pilot costs are the same, it’s up to management to compete with the pilot contract that they signed, with scope they agreed too.

The pilots are just one cost. Believe it or not, it takes more than a pilot to operate a flight.

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